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Hallmark
Thanks for helping out with Hallmark of Hall of Fame movie Front of the Classs. I couldn't get the image to work for me, but it's there now and that's what counts. Also thanks for finding more sources and filling the blanks, such as summaries and plots. That's not my kind of thing. I was surprised no other user took the time to make a movie link, when Front of the Class was first announced. Especially since there's so much information out there now for Hallmark movies.
Your help is really appriciated. GiantTiger001 (talk) 07:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ack! Thanks for the reminder that I was interrupted by Wikidrahmaz just as I was intending to expand that article from the sources. And thanks for getting the ball rolling. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:49, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
In a galaxy far, far away
Sandy, I am not familiar with this FAR/FARC malarky. Could you advise either here or at the review page if we are now awaiting "the featured article director or his delegates" to close the FAR, or if I should be declaring "keep" or "delist" under the FARC heading? Ben MacDui 15:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- I dunno ... the delegates don't seem to follow FARs closely any more, so things seem to have changed since the days when Marskell and I prodded, poked, and kept each one moving forward, letting folks know where they stand and what's needed. Yes, you should be entering a declaration at this stage. I'll try to do same as soon as I have a chance to get over there, but for now, ski slopes beckon :) Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Clarification requested
Hi Sandy, you've you made some statements that I was at one time in charge of a WEP class that has given you "the most headaches". In another area you mentioned that it was a psychology class. It's been recommended that I contact you for clarification. I've never been approached about any problems in any of the classes I have supported. And I have never been in charge of any classes. Would you mind clarifying or providing some links or examples to support your statement? I appreciate your help. Thanks and Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 00:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- You are listed as the online ambassador for the courses of User:MTHarden. I don't believe I said you had ever been approached; what is clear is that this program (and some of its ambassadors) don't oversee their classes, professors, students, or articles. MTHarden's fall into those categories; a more engaged online ambassador, who understands copyvio and WP:MEDRS and the importance of engaging on talk would be useful. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. While I was listed as one of three OAs for that class during the fall semester, along with a CA, I was far from in charge of that class. Online Ambassadors do not individually work in oversight of classes. The program was never designed to function in that manner. That said, we work alongside professors, Campus Ambassadors, and other Online Ambassadors to support courses and students. I actually worked with over 300 students during the fall semester. In this situation, my role included providing answers and direction when approached by students. We simply do not have the number of OAs available to function as a second instructor to the class or as individual tutors for hundreds of students. The responsibility of the CA includes reviewing the work prior to presentation on-wiki to ensure accuracy and appropriateness of content. This often doesn't happen exactly how we would wish. The role of the OA includes providing direction navigating through WP and serving as a buffer of sorts when editors or articles receive warnings. All individuals from the professor to CA to OA work together with the student in differing capacities. It is true that OAs do not oversee classes, professors, students, or articles. That is not our role. We help guide the student, but essentially, the students are responding to assignments given by their professors, with direct face-to-face support from Campus Ambassadors. We (OAs) also are often found engaging students on both talk pages and through email. Most often, students prefer discussing their articles and asking questions through email. I certainly do not shy away from either. We are not called to understand or comprehend the subject, just make sure the students have access to online materials and answers to their questions. Honestly, Sandy, I think the program would benefit from your involvement and sharing some of your ideas. When Tory Read asked me for referrals to additional individuals that could provide input, I recommended that she speak with you. While I may not always agree with your opinions, I believe that your opinion is valued and needs to be heard. I would much rather work with others, than against them. That said, I think making statements that I have personally been in charge of the single class that has given you the most headaches in the program is a bit much. In all sincerity, I would appreciate a retraction of your claims. Thanks and Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 01:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Physicians
Thanks for the message. I will work on the physician articles. One favor, since I cannot assess my own articles (I didn't know that was a policy but I see how it makes tons of sense), could you reassess them to start at whatever level you think they should be at? I will seek to get more sources for the article on Lopez Nussa; I agree a single source may indicate lack of notability. I will make that a priority. Could you name the ones that most attracted your attention as possibly falling into the potentially non-notable category so I work on those first? The naming conventions issue, I think I understand what you are saying but I am not sure when/how to apply it. Do you mean that the title cannot be, say, "Dr. Manuel de la Pila Iglesias", but the body of the article can occassionally contain "Dr. Pila"? Thanks very much for your comments. Mercy11 (talk) 23:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
One more thing, do you know what happened to the photo of Manuel de la Pila Iglesias? It was there this morning, but now it's gone. Thanks,Mercy11 (talk) 23:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC) <<<<< Never mind. It seems you mistakenly took out the "Dr." from the image name and that's what messed it up. If you also want to remove the qualifier "Dr." from the image name, I think that has to be done in the image itself. I wouln't know how to "move" an image the way we move article titles. Take care, Mercy11 (talk) 00:57, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Multiple REDIRECT Links
Hi, I was wandering if you might know how to fix the following:
Someone created an overly large number of links to the article Ponce School of Medicine. A "what links here" would show what I mean.
The following should not be redirecting to that article, because the school has never been known by those other names. However, I have no clue how to stop it (undo it):
The following are NOT OK:
- Escuela medica de ponce (redirect page) (links)
- Escuela medica de puerto rico (redirect page) (links)
- Escuela de medicina de puerto rico (redirect page) (links)
- Puerto rico medical school (redirect page) (links)
- Puerto rico medicine (redirect page) (links)
- Escuela de ponce (redirect page) (links)
The following links are ok:
- Ponce school of medicine (redirect page) (links)
- Ponce medical school (redirect page) (links)
- Escuela de medicina de ponce (redirect page) (links)
- Escuela de Medicina de Ponce (redirect page) (links)
Can you break the links of the bad (NOT OK) ones? Thanks, Mercy11 (talk) 00:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
MEDA
Just FYI: basically all people and all organizations are considered "Low" priority for WPMED assessments, so you can fill in that parameter if you want. WhatamIdoing (talk) 13:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Come join the translation taskforce
We are making good progress. Need help improving the English article to get them ready for translation though. The articles we are working on are of top importance and widely read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MED/Translation_project --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
May Revolution
I have nominated the article May Revolution for FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/May Revolution/archive4. As you made a review of the article in the past, it would be useful if you could check it again, as it is an obscure topic outside of Argentina and previous nominatons did not atract enough reviewers. All comments are welcome. Cambalachero (talk) 01:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi
Just wanted to say thank you for starting a review of the Hawking article [1] - I'm looking forward to working with you :) And also thank you for your bump at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Physics#Stephan_Hawking - I've been having a little trouble attracting reviewers from that area :) By the way, if you can ping me a message on my talk page when you post a review that would be cool - I've got a fairly quiet week this week so should be able to get right to it… Cheers Fayedizard (talk) 23:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
- Have done a quick response to your review over at the page - thank you so much for getting involved :) As a quick side note - I notice that you've got an interest in medical articles? On that angle I might see If I can interest you in looking at dyslexia or down_syndrome? They are some of the most popular disability-related articles on the wiki, but they are sadly in need of attention - I've been hacking at them regularly over the last little while but I suspect I might be a little timid to make some of the more sweeping changes that they desperately need... Fayedizard (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- Also - just to check, I've been working on the basis of inline comments to reviews, let me know if that doesn't work for you... Fayedizard (talk) 09:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- So as we're now off FAC :) It would be really really good if we could have a bit of a dialog for how you are looking for the article to change for it to gain FA standard. (I've added a bunch of clarifications and queries to some of the issues raised on the talk page...) The thing is - this is as much about the development of me as an editor as it is about the development of the article - you guys have got a sense what sort of rewrite an article might need to satisfy the criteria, and you've got that by working on many many many FAs - if you can give me a bit of time (probably much less than you've already spent on the article) to correspond a little about the direction it should be taken in then I'm much more likely to bring future articles to FA that are already up to scratch without any of the inefficiencies you've already talked about here... sound good? Fayedizard (talk) 21:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Removed these, added after close (please don't chop commentary from reviewers). You have youself a solid GA there-- sourced to reliable sources, decently written, but doesn't use the highest quality sources and isn't a compelling account of the man's life. It's not only that career and personal life are short: it's that you have to build the article from scratch from the high-quality sources. Retrofitting sources to the mediocre text that is there won't do it. Trying to honor what was there, which was piecemeal trivia added by editors over the years, won't get it to FA quality. The man deserves much more than what is there. Building an FA on a person like this will be a "labor of love", and won't be done from The Guardian or the BBC. Good luck ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- So as we're now off FAC :) It would be really really good if we could have a bit of a dialog for how you are looking for the article to change for it to gain FA standard. (I've added a bunch of clarifications and queries to some of the issues raised on the talk page...) The thing is - this is as much about the development of me as an editor as it is about the development of the article - you guys have got a sense what sort of rewrite an article might need to satisfy the criteria, and you've got that by working on many many many FAs - if you can give me a bit of time (probably much less than you've already spent on the article) to correspond a little about the direction it should be taken in then I'm much more likely to bring future articles to FA that are already up to scratch without any of the inefficiencies you've already talked about here... sound good? Fayedizard (talk) 21:34, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Also - just to check, I've been working on the basis of inline comments to reviews, let me know if that doesn't work for you... Fayedizard (talk) 09:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, and sorry I didn't spot the other changes – it's past my pyjamas time. Graham Colm (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Sandy, I wanted to give you a little bit of time before I came bothering you again… (and apologies for breaking up your commentry, I'd understood the 'inline or not' to be more or less 'I don't mind') Anyway - It's not so much that I'm trying to honour the editors who've gone before that is causing me problems - that would only be a problem for this particular article - the thing that's praying on my mind a little bit is this: if I were to take the article away and take a load of stuff out, and put a load of stuff back in - then I'm effectively just making random changes - because I've (demonstrably) not got a decent sense of the way that the FA criteria are interpreted, then I've also not got any real insight into why this article didn't make it…
- Yes, and sorry I didn't spot the other changes – it's past my pyjamas time. Graham Colm (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
So if I were to rewrite the article without any guidence, then I suspect that it would end up being futher away from the standard because I'll be viewing everything though my lens. Is it at all possible to open up a dialog on any of the clarifications I made before your reverted them? Or even is there someone you can recommend that does have a good sense of what makes an article FA able? If someone can show me how you experienced editors are interpreting the guidelines then I can start bringing you FA after FA after FA - otherwise it looks like the message I'm taking away from this is more or less that I should stick to faffing around on small articles rather than producing high quality content. Does that make sense?
The article on Dan Leno has been nominated for Featured Article consideration here. Leno was a leading star of music hall, Victorian burlesque and pantomime. We would welcome your comments, if you have time. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:35, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Robert Degos
I need a better explanation why "Robert Degos" was removed.
I gave full references to all the material that was in the page I created (two main references: namely "Who named it" and a blurb freely available to the public from the Universite Paris Descartes) - "Degos disease" is in fact an entry in Wikipedia and so there was an internal link to it. The books section is in fact my own addition. If I forgot a quotation mark on the SCIENTIFIC explanation of the syndrome you could have added them WITHOUT removing the entire page.
Robert Degos is a famous French dermatologist, the material is all academic, in fact his entry is also necessary as it connects with other entries in Wikipedia (at least 4). You could have flagged what looked like "copyrighted material" but BEFORE removing it I would have appreciated that you INQUIRE first. (I am not a "newcomer" to wikipedia, I've already created many pages which have been translated into many languages).
Thanks,
JAR (talk) 16:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Removing WP:COPYVIO isn't something subject to "inquiry first", and providing a citation doesn't excuse or permit lifting wording from the source; the explanation for copyvio is on your talk. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Your answer is a tautology. My question was very precise. If it was the description of the syndrome (a very complicated one) that troubled you then a quotation mark would have sufficed (and my apologies for omitting/forgetting them). The rest was edited and rephrased and not taken verbatim. In any case, the description of Degos as "succeeding Prof X at the Hopital Saint Louis" is common knowledge (thus its wide circulation and availability on the website of the Universite Paris Descartes, it is certainly NOT "copyrighted material" from "Who named it"!!). In any case it was not even taken verbatim! The fact that I forgot to add quotation marks for the description of the syndrome happens all the time and that is precisely why we need your collaboration and continuous patrolling. JAR (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Help!
Hey Sandy, hope all is well. I'm coming to you with this question because you seem to know what you're doing and you've been helpful in the past.
I've been trying to get more involved in Wiki editing and have started doing a bunch of New Page Patrolling. I would also like to help out w/ some of the backlogs, but I'm a bit confused about the process. For example, I go to the backlogged section of Articles w/ topics of unclear notability. I find pages tagged w/ this as far back as 2007 with no real movement or changes. What do I do then? Start a Talk section that will likely be ignored (as the page has barely been visited)? Mark it for deletion, even if it's not an area I'm sufficiently familiar with? Obviously, if I can just fix the page that's the way to go. But, if a page has had this type of tag for months or years and I agree it should be deleted, should I then just nominate it for deletion?
Thanks!JoelWhy (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- hey! As someone told me recently, new page patrol is mind-numbing, soul-crushing work. He was right :) On unclear notability, first you have to do the homework of figuring out if the article is notable (so you won't embarrass yourself by prodding or AFDing something obvious :) If you are sure they aren't notable, then see WP:PROD or WP:CSD, because quite often they will be copyvios. Some will be targets for a merge or redirect, some will need to go to AFD, some may be prodded, and copyvios or attack pages can be CSD'd. NPP is a hard place to work ... are you sure you want to start with notability? I've been following User:AlexNewArtBot/VenezuelaSearchResult and User:AlexNewArtBot/MedicineSearchResult-- perhaps you'll take up following new Venezuela articles? They're mostly useless sports stubs, for which I haven't yet investigated notability- I've no idea if most of those meet notability, and decided it was more work than I wanted to take on. If you pop some samples here when you're unsure, I'll try to help. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- On the occasions I've done it I've found NPP to be quite therapeutic. For instance, you have to do a little research before prodding or initiating an AfD, but the only requirement of a new article is that it makes a plausible case for the notability of its subject. If it doesn't then it can be CSD'd with a clear conscience. Malleus Fatuorum 17:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- The problem is, in the medical realm, I'm not content to stop at that, and end up spending hours and days cleaning them up so they're not dangerously bad! But also in the hope that new editors will learn correct sourcing and organization of medical articles. And ... I found tons of copyvio. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- NPP is a pretty broad-meshed net, just designed to catch the obvious problems really. But I remember doing much the same thing myself last year after I'd tagged Loutro, Messenia for speedy deletion, believing it to be the same place as Palaio Loutro (or it might have been the other way around). I spent hours poring over maps and checking sources. Malleus Fatuorum 17:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input! I'm still learning the new page patrol ropes, but I think it's coming along. I frequently pass over some of the sport stubs pages because I'm not sure if the guy who plays for the Maracaibo AAA futbol team is notable, or if that's the equivalent of a Pee Wee Football club. ;)JoelWhy (talk) 14:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- NPP is a pretty broad-meshed net, just designed to catch the obvious problems really. But I remember doing much the same thing myself last year after I'd tagged Loutro, Messenia for speedy deletion, believing it to be the same place as Palaio Loutro (or it might have been the other way around). I spent hours poring over maps and checking sources. Malleus Fatuorum 17:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- The problem is, in the medical realm, I'm not content to stop at that, and end up spending hours and days cleaning them up so they're not dangerously bad! But also in the hope that new editors will learn correct sourcing and organization of medical articles. And ... I found tons of copyvio. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- On the occasions I've done it I've found NPP to be quite therapeutic. For instance, you have to do a little research before prodding or initiating an AfD, but the only requirement of a new article is that it makes a plausible case for the notability of its subject. If it doesn't then it can be CSD'd with a clear conscience. Malleus Fatuorum 17:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Dr. Karel Styblo
I have taken your advice and rewritten, in my own words, a short biography on Dr. Karel Styblo. I hope this will suffice for posting and will work to Wikify it. Thanks for your guidance on this topic. Thanks. --Anderton (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I've done some cleanup to conform with Wikipedia guidelines and policies, but you didn't cite any sources. Please review WP:V. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Just wanted to say that I've watched what you've done on this article over the last few hours, and I'm pretty impressed. I've been following this article since its earlier incarnation as a pure copyvio. Still learning from you. :-) Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 13:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! The first two versions were copyvio from a non-reliable source (scienceheroes.com), but when I saw the third reincarnation tagged for notability,[2] and found reliable sources discussing how important the fellow was, I became fascinated with his story. I wish someone with journal access could locate the missing sources, so the article could be finished.
- PMID 1813098
- PMID 1687506
doi:10.1136/thoraxjnl-2011-201054c.61
- And, wow ... does Directly Observed Therapy – Short Course need work !!
- I'm glad you're still around and still learning: the dismal work of patrolling new pages is made worthwhile by encountering A Few Good Editors. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Sandy, I have access to the last one (in Thorax). Would you like me to e-mail it to you? Dana boomer (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)I'll request the other two for you at wp:WRE. LeadSongDog come howl! 15:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! (Alternately, if they add little to nothing new, no need for me to get hold of them, or y'all could just add any small tidbits.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)I'll request the other two for you at wp:WRE. LeadSongDog come howl! 15:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- I can also get them for you, but it will take a few days before I have time to visit the university library. Seems like the others here will get them to you first. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 17:05, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Update at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Dr._Karel_Styblo: It's held in the Royal Danish Library at Copenhagen University. Should be available internationally from them.LeadSongDog come howl! 19:10, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks ... ummmm ... I guess that means someone there needs to get it? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:14, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- WRE has many helpful gnomes, but it's often helpful to seek out someone from that place to speed things along. As a rule, the userpage templates can be helpful, as can category:Wikipedians by alma mater and category:Wikipedians by location. But I've asked at Wikipedia_talk:Danish_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Request_for_assistance_at_the_Royal_Danish_Library Alternatively, many libraries have an "ask a librarian" link on their websites. I've always been fond of librarians, they're a breed apart. :-) LeadSongDog come howl! 22:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks ... ummmm ... I guess that means someone there needs to get it? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:14, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Sandy, I thought I still had your e-mail, but it seems to have gone AWOL. Would you mind sending me an e-mail so that I can attach the file in a return letter. Dana boomer (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- I have a new gmail for my new post-FAC life and I still have my old one for old friends ... I'll email you from the old one :) Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I visited the university library today, but didn't manage to retrieve the article. It seems that in 1991, the Bulletin of the International Union against Tuberculosis and Lung Disease merged with Tubercle to form the journal Tubercle and Lung Disease. I could retrieve articles from Tubercle and Lung Disease back to 1991, but did not have electronic access to the parent publications. The best I could do was find an obituary as the last entry in the year-end list published in the British Medical Journal for 1998, which I uploaded to my Google Docs account for you: British Medical Journal Obituaries for 1998. I don't think there is much in the obituary that you don't already know, except maybe the name of his wife. Possibly I can find paper editions of the Bulletin at the medical school library, but the catalog entry is a bit cryptic about the extent of their paper holdings, and it's a half-hour drive. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 23:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Update at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Dr._Karel_Styblo: It's held in the Royal Danish Library at Copenhagen University. Should be available internationally from them.LeadSongDog come howl! 19:10, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Sandy, I have access to the last one (in Thorax). Would you like me to e-mail it to you? Dana boomer (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! The first two versions were copyvio from a non-reliable source (scienceheroes.com), but when I saw the third reincarnation tagged for notability,[2] and found reliable sources discussing how important the fellow was, I became fascinated with his story. I wish someone with journal access could locate the missing sources, so the article could be finished.
- Just wanted to say that I've watched what you've done on this article over the last few hours, and I'm pretty impressed. I've been following this article since its earlier incarnation as a pure copyvio. Still learning from you. :-) Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 13:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I just created John Crofton, but he was knighted, and I don't know how to handle that in titles, naming, etc. Guess I shoulda paid more attention over the years, but I left that to Dr Kiernan. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- As I tried to say on my talk page, I think it's down to how people would generally refer to him, as "John Crofton" or "Sir John Crofton". Alex Ferguson, who is almost invariably referred to as "Sir Alex", is another example. Malleus Fatuorum 18:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you
Hello! A BIG BIG THANK YOU!! The FARC of Kolkata was closed, and the article remains FA. Your help and guidance were instrumental. Thanks a ton, again. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:10, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- You're most welcome-- I've owed you forever :) I apologize for running out of steam and dropping the ball there during my FAC "trial by fire"-- got kinda tired of whole FA business after how I was treated. But I'll bounce back ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:12, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Ibid and Op cit. referencing
I am against this kind of referencing but I cannot find a guideline which prohibits it. You have stated that it is not done here on Wikipedia. I wish that were true. Can you located a guideline I could use when other editors use it? Thanks Mugginsx (talk) 17:51, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- The page is located at WP:IBID. :-) Regards, [natit citsejam] [klat] dE 18:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. It states it is "discouraged" that's all and many editors ignore that. Had to redo all of my references in an article not long ago because someone changed them to that method and they were soon all out of place. I wish there was some stronger language.Mugginsx (talk) 18:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- Could you not have reverted them? As a side note, I've given you rollback because I think you can be trusted with it; if you would not like it, please let me know and I'll remove it. [natit citsejam] [klat] dE 19:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. It states it is "discouraged" that's all and many editors ignore that. Had to redo all of my references in an article not long ago because someone changed them to that method and they were soon all out of place. I wish there was some stronger language.Mugginsx (talk) 18:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Mugginsx, thank you for stopping by; perhaps you can answer some questions while you're here. You show up on almost every article written by Bearpatch (talk · contribs), who seems to be using Wikipedia for some sort of original geneological research or to promote family folklore, sometimes reverting or removing tags requesting citation or clarification. As one example, he uses IBID even after mentioning himself to someone else that it shouldn't be used. I'm concerned about the amount of original research he's doing, yet you seem to encourage him (Talk:James Rosebrugh Leaming) and he seems to be encountering problems with editors whose work I'm familiar with in a number of places (where I frequently see you co-editing in support of him). I'm not sure I share The ed17's view that you're ready for more permissions on Wikipedia: could you clarify your relationship with Bearpatch, and are you in a position to mentor him at all, or at least get the original, uncited geneological research to stop? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:46, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- I have never had to justify my praising an article before but here goes. If you check my contributions you will find that I make a point to praise articles by many editors. I think it is part of being a good editor and can remember when editors did so for me many years ago and how good it felt. I found the article interesting and liked the templates used. I experimented with them in my sandbox. I have checked my contributions and I have edited on one article that the editor has contributed to. That was some time ago and it had to do with a template showing a shaded text by President Washington. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Rosbrugh&action=history I have had conversation with another editor on the talkpage of an article on an issue of biting the newbie that had to do with the editor and a sexually inappropriate remark made by another editor for which he apologized. That was not an article that I edited on and had nothing to do with the editor you mentioned. I know of no direct interaction with that editor. The other editor who I interacted with and who apologized I have had (up-to-that-point) good interaction with. A look at my articles should show no other interaction or similarity of articles. Does that answer your question. Incidentally, I do not approve of that type of referencing as I stated before and have had yet to deal with yet another article with the Op cit referencing since I asked you that question that does not involve either of those editors. I would like to see a discussion and participate in a discussion to promote a change in the guidelines AGAINST this type of referencing.Mugginsx (talk) 18:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- Also my talk page remark you mentioned was dated March 30 - your editing on the article began on March 31. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Rosebrugh_Leaming&action=history and I have no edits on that article. I do not feel that I am experienced enough to mentor an editor. Mugginsx (talk) 18:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- I saw a big todo at Talk:William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, so hoped you might have some insight about that editor, since you had encountered him elsewhere and I found some of his editing at the Rosbrugh's (which I encountered via new page patrol of medicine articles) strange. On the ibid issue, it would be unusual for Wikipedia to elevate a guideline on a stylistic matter to policy-- I think our wording usually does the trick, but was surprised to find Bearpatch using ibid even after he had mentioned the guideline to another editor. Anyway, I spose I'll deal with the original research on the Rosbrugh articles alone! Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Hannah Kempfer
Hi Sandy. I have all the reference materials I've been working from in front of me now and am in the process of revising Hannah Kempfer. I'm preparing a point-by-point response to your edit summaries that I will post to the talk page. If there are specific items you want to see referenced that aren't already marked, let me know as I currently have access to Kempfer's file in my library's special collections. Cheers, Gobōnobo + c 20:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- I came across the article only because the fractured hip triggered it at Medicine New Page Patrol ... as far as I can tell, you've already addressed everything I noticed, and the article seems to be in fine shape. I'll probably unwatch, unless there's something of concern ?? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:16, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello SandyGeorgia, I can't seem to get across to the editor that Wikipedia is not for resumes, and that notability must be established using secondary sources. Do you have any ideas? Thank you, 66.168.247.159 (talk) 04:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- For that group, Wikipedia apparently is for resumes ... there's an entire virtual army in there, creating unsourced BLPs and CV on Wikipedia. It's the wave of the future on Wikipedia: WMF decided a long time ago they wanted more editors and more content, not better editors and reliable encyclopedic content. I'll look in in a day or so; since there's half a dozen of them, to one of me, hardly worth the headache (and an awful lot of work for someone who is practically without mention anywhere on the internet ... ) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- I did what cleanup I could, but that group of editors is editing as if their grades depended upon it, so I don't have great expectations. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you Sandy. 207.157.121.92 (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- I did what cleanup I could, but that group of editors is editing as if their grades depended upon it, so I don't have great expectations. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
Thanks for all your help! JoelWhy (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC) |
Foreign language citations?
I couldn't find a page discussing this in the Wiki help section. Is there a policy about using foreign language sources on the English wiki pages? Specifically, a source that I can't translate easily because it's not in one of the more common languages? I've been debating with an editor about whether a particular last name from the nation of Georgia is notable. She then found sources, but they're all in Georgian. I don't have any reason to think she's lying about what is said in the sources, but I'm curious to know if there's a general policy on this. Thanks again!JoelWhy (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hey JoelWhy, look at WP:NONENG: English sources are preferred where available, but non-English can be used. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The most promising new page I've seen
I thought you might be interested in providing some feedback at Talk:Prenatal care in the United States. A new student editor is asking about MOS issues and it's the best student article I've seen so far out of a few. Biosthmors (talk) 15:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Nevermind. MastCell and Malleus have done a good job on addressing that. Biosthmors (talk) 17:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
FYI the new editor asked me to give some feedback on the article, which I did here. But I'm no expert on medical articles, nor ever likely to be one. Malleus Fatuorum 22:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
HighBeam
Hi Sandy. Are you aware of Wikipedia:HighBeam? Sign-up page is Wikipedia:HighBeam/Applications. They have some medical journals in their library. Don't know which ones. And Raul has just opened Wikipedia:Requests for JSTOR access --Anthonyhcole (talk) 17:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Dispute resolution survey
Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello SandyGeorgia. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 11:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC) |
- What is an assistant?
- The survey doesn't include ANI, which is the source of many dispute resolution failures, so I decided not to submit answers-- the survey as formulated doesn't address the core dispute resolution problem on Wikipedia, which is abusive admins. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Sandy. When the survey refers to an "assistant", it's a user who assists in dispute resolution. The term "mediator" didn't really seem to fit outside of mediation, so that's what we picked. ANI would fall under "Other noticeboards", but it doesn't really fall under the bracket of WP:DR, its sometimes used for dispute resolution, but isn't technically dispute resolution. That's why I didn't have it as a set option. Feel free to do the survey and select other noticeboards, and you can write about an experience you had at ANI. It's up to you, it'd be great if you could do the survey. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 22:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- BTW, there's another issue blown up at WP:AN (that you needn't be concerned about) that's reminded me of some of the good advice you've consistently given me, which looking back I don't think I really took sufficiently to heart. In the past I was rather inclined to the "well, if that's how you feel I'm off", but that's not really me at all in real life. I'm much more in the "well, if that's how you feel then you can fuck off" mould, so no more hearts on sleeves. Hope things are going well for you, as I've had no updates from Mattisse about your kitchen. ;-) Malleus Fatuorum 00:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
advice requested
Hi,
I'm contacting you because I've seen your comments about articles and the Education Program.
I've come across an inadequate GA review of a psychology article Joint attention that's part of the Education Program.
The entire GA review is: "Looks fine. The lead may be a liitle long. You may consider moving some of the more detailed information in the lead to lower sections to further improve it."
There was no response from the nominator and the article was passed. I'm not a medical person and I'm not able to access most of the sources, but I did point out problems I saw with the article.[3] And pointed out that it should follow WP:MEDRS and not source human info with animal sources. (19 of the citations are to animal articles.)
I also tagged the article which the reviewer reverted and then I reverted his revert.[4] He said he would accuse me of disruptive editing and he probably will, so I don't want to get into trouble.
My question: should I just forget this? (I admit that since it is an Education Program article, I think it should get a proper GA review.) Or should I attempt to review it myself according to Wikipedia:Reviewing good articles?
I'm not completely confident that I know enough to review this article (the WP:MEDRS part and what seems like OR and synth). What do you think? Do you think my points have any validity? Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 19:44, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
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Deletion of ACM computer science body of knowledge
Hi SandyGeorgia, You recently marked my article ACM computer science body of knowledge for speedy deletion due to concerns that the list of subjects given was under copyright by ACM, which I considered to be somewhat of an over-reaction e.g. similar articles such as ACM Computing Classification System similarly list ACM subject classifications without any formal copyright clearance. However I realise wikipedia needs to be very cautious on such issues. In any case, I have since confirmed with ACM copyright clearance that this usage in wikipedia is ok and have emailed this email correspondence to permissions-en at wikimedia.org several weeks ago, but have had no response. I have just submitted an undeletion request as well. What else do you suggest I do to get this article reinstated? This article was deleted before I could make a backup copy and as it represents around 72 hours work for the link list I would like to at least get a copy of it I can use as a basis to recreate the page. Thanks, Brianbjparker (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sandy, can you please have a look at the FAR and comment? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Donner party
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- Dealt with appropriately. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Lede image Major depressive disorder
Hi.
I see you are a frequent editor at Major depressive disorder and I would like to draw your attention to a discussion I have initiated on its Talk page in the light of the banned user RobvanderWaal's neutral post that this image is matter of fact one of mortality and sanctity, and not of sorrow, on van Gogh's own say so. I'm suggesting the editors should perhaps be rather using an image such as his Sorrow.
A physician Bailisk has replied to some medical issues that I have re-raised as well. I frankly worry about the quality of his contributions and would be grateful if a member of the community building this article might contribute.
Finally I intend to re-raise the question originally raised about this image as to whether it's really appropiate as the lede image. Granting that it apparently evokes the idea sorrow today in the viewer, why is it a lede image when in fact sorrow, anguish etc. feature only fleetingly in the article's description of symptoms.
RobavderWaal incidentally supported your position this year regarding Wikipedia's tiresome April 1st tomfoolery. That really is something we would like to see an end too.
Hope this isn't socking or something. Feel free to oppose me vigorously if that's your position!
Thank you. LHirsig (talk) 12:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- RobavderWaal incidentally supported your position this year regarding Wikipedia's tiresome April 1st tomfoolery. I don't know who RobavderWaal is, but I did not have a "position ... regarding Wikipedia's tiresome April 1st tomfoolery". I did have a position about DYK's puerile content ... fortunately DYK is not representative of all of Wikipedia, they have still quite a ways to go to clean up their act to something resembling encyclopedic content, and I have long been supportive of Today's Featured Article on April Fools. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- RobvanderWaal (a pseudonym) is an Amsterdam art auctioneer who recently contributed a long edit to At Eternity's Gate discussing its provenance and pointing out that it is not a representation of sorrow but rather of mortality and sanctity. He went on to make a number of other significant edits on van Gogh and his period, including tidying up the article Amsterdam Impressionism, supplying stubs for important van Gogh paintings such as Tree Roots, and showing every sign of becoming a Wikipediholic, labouring long hours in his sandbox over a fascinating article about van Gogh's Hague studio. Earlier this week he posted neutrally at Major Depressive Disorder on At Eternity's Gate and got banned by a Welsh physician as a sock for his troubles.
- I don't think he will be back :).
- Thank you for your comment about April 1. We don't support any sort of April 1st tomfoolery. We think it elitist, cliquish and anglocentric. It's usually also sexist. This year's TFA effort was actually its reductio ad absurdam, the logical outcome of its cliquism, nevertheless contriving to remain phallocentric. The year before that it was simply nauseating.
- Kind regards,
- The logical outcome of editing psych articles is that one encounters lots of socking and kookery; it appears that admins are dealing with the socking. Allrighty then ... that image looks fine to me, the arguments against it look spurious, and the removal attempts strike me as obsessing on the trivial. Either I missed the phallocentric portion of pigeon photography, or you don't know the difference between TFA and DYK. I don't know who "we" is, but please don't enlighten me any further. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 07:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you
I just wanted to say thank you for your help. — Ched : ? 21:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- That's some serious baiting and personalization over there ... wonder how many admins will bother to take notice ?? Courcelles, you watchlist here ??? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I noticed. As one of the article's primary contributors, that'd probably be considered too involved to block, no? --Moni3 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'd say what with the serious Malleus baiting going on over there, along with a seriously busted AGF-o-meter in evidence, hopefully some arbs will do the talking ... they seem to show up when Malleus is in trouble, so I hope they'll show when he's being baited? Yep, you should let someone else deal with it ... for some reason, the fellow also thinks I'm involved. Hmmmm ... calling Malleus "Fat" wasn't even a clever insult. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- And so, then he'll say you're involvd, since you've expressed an opinion. On the 80-some edits, he's been editing since 2006, should know better, and I assume you're also considering his IP edits? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)