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The [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Editor_recruitment_with_TAFI|RFC for TAFI]] is nearing it's conclusion, and it's time to hammer out the details over at the [[Wikipedia_talk:Today%27s_article_for_improvement|project's talk page]]. There are several details of the project that would do well with wider input and participation, such as the article nomination and selection process, the amount and type of articles displayed, the implementation on the main page and other things. I would like to invite you to comment there if you continue to be interested in TAFI's development. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 02:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC) |
The [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Editor_recruitment_with_TAFI|RFC for TAFI]] is nearing it's conclusion, and it's time to hammer out the details over at the [[Wikipedia_talk:Today%27s_article_for_improvement|project's talk page]]. There are several details of the project that would do well with wider input and participation, such as the article nomination and selection process, the amount and type of articles displayed, the implementation on the main page and other things. I would like to invite you to comment there if you continue to be interested in TAFI's development. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 02:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Norden1990 == |
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I read your intervention here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#AE.3F where you raised the possibility of a [[WP:AE]] investigation against [[User:Norden1990]]. I will not respond on his absurd false personal attacks there according to [[WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND]], because I respect WP policies. You also affirmed "All editors commenting above have already been warned about this case, except for Fakirbakir", but I can't find [[User:Norden1990]] on the list of warned users [[Wikipedia:ARBEE#List_of_editors_placed_on_notice]]. --[[User:Omen1229|Omen1229]] ([[User talk:Omen1229|talk]]) 22:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC) |
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"Brace Yourselves" meme
Hi Sandstein, I am wondering how to properly cite the change I made to the "Game of Thrones (TV Series)", found at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(TV_series)>. I added mention of the "Brace Yourselves" internet meme to the Cultural Influence section. I had trouble inserting the template photo of the meme, found here: <http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/537572_10152087113579979_1032374442_n.jpg> . I came back a couple hours later and saw that you had deleted my edit, based on the (understandable) argument that I didn't cite it. How does one go about properly citing such an edit/adding that photo? The meme has become quite popular, and I definitely believe it deserves mention.
Lordskeletor (talk) 00:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, and thanks for asking. Basically, all Wikipedia content must (if contested or likely to be) be supported with a citation to a reliable source. The policy page WP:V describes this requirement in general. The page WP:RS describes in more detail what we mean by "reliable source". And the page WP:CITE describes how to cite a reliable source once you've found one. Please feel free to ask further if these pages don't clarify the matter for you. As to the photo, that's a separate and rather complicated matter, but the gist is that because it's copyrighted, we can't use it unless it meets the very restrictive criteria at WP:NFCC, which it's unlikely to. Sandstein 01:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
That cleared it up. Thanks!
Lordskeletor (talk) 01:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you came up with delete given that not a single editor actually attempted to address whether WP:GNG was achieved or not. Personally, I'd like to see some proof that the nominator performed WP:BEFORE before nominating this for deletion, but unless I missed it, no such evidence was presented. Correct me if I am wrong, but WP:GNG was not at all addressed in the discussion, so I don't understand how consensus was reached over an issue that was not addressed. Perhaps you meant "No consensus" or "Relist"? I forget which policy says this, but when in doubt, admins should keep the article. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- GNG was not cited or addressed in particular; rather, other and more specific guidelines were. So I don't see how the discussion's failure to discuss this general guideline has any bearing on my closure. – As to WP:BEFORE, it is not a policy or guideline and at any rate whether it was followed or not is irrelevant to the closure of the AfD: What matters for the closure, in the light of the various policies and guidelines that require that articles have sources, is whether the sources are actually cited in the article or AfD, not who has searched for them at which point in time. If WP:BEFORE has any relevance, it is as a conduct rule: if somebody persistently does not heed it, and nominates many articles for deletion, which are then kept because others easily find the sources, then the nominator can conceivably be made subject to community sanctions. – In the situation as presented, with opinions 5:1 and the article completely unsourced, there was no doubt as to what the AfD's outcome should be. Sandstein 01:17, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure whether WP:BEFORE is a policy, guideline or essay, but it is generally accepted as good practice as far as I know. I re-reviewed the discussion and I could only fine a single editor which attempted to look at WP:GNG and they only looked at Google Books. How did you find consensus when only a single editor examined the core issue and only examined a single category of sources? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- There was clear agreement that the article failed the notability criteria for lists and the requirement that articles be not only plot summaries. Considering that the article consisted only of unsourced plot summary, it was evident why editors reached consensus about this. GNG was not discussed in depth because it didn't need to be. It would only have mattered if there had been any sources whose reliability etc. could have been discussed. Sandstein
- I'm not sure whether WP:BEFORE is a policy, guideline or essay, but it is generally accepted as good practice as far as I know. I re-reviewed the discussion and I could only fine a single editor which attempted to look at WP:GNG and they only looked at Google Books. How did you find consensus when only a single editor examined the core issue and only examined a single category of sources? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 01:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
FLC for Game of Thrones (season 1)
Are you available to help with this if I decide to try and get this promotable? Jclemens (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- Certainly, as regards improving the article so that it is more useful to the reader. Though I have to say that I've never been able to motivate myself to make the endless minute adjustments to articles that are apparently necessary to comply with arcane MOS minutiae in order to attain FA status. I consider that sort of thing rather a waste of editing time, because it brings little if any benefit to the reader, and therefore leave it to others. Sandstein 11:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- I feel the same way about FA as you do. However, TV season articles are featured lists, and have much more reasonable criteria. Jclemens (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- OK, then let's try. Though I wonder whether an article with that much prose qualifies as a list at all. Sandstein 14:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- I feel the same way about FA as you do. However, TV season articles are featured lists, and have much more reasonable criteria. Jclemens (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Da-Wen Sun
Dear Sir, I am very very sorry to offend you, I edit the page hoping to improve it by removing quotes that may be promotional. I had no intention to affend you, I do apology if I offend you. Please teach me how to creat a proper page, thank you very much.Mayonglan (talk) 14:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. I am not offended and if I were that wouldn't matter. The problem with the now-deleted and salted article Da-Wen Sun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was that it read like a promotional brochure or a CV. Per our rules WP:NPOV and WP:NOTADVERTISING, our articles must be written neutrally and may not be used to promote anybody. Excessively promotional articles may be deleted per WP:CSD#G11. Please tell me whether you are acting on behalf of Mr. Da-Wen Sun, and whether you have used other Wikipedia user accounts in the past. Sandstein 14:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Sandstein, I am letting you know that I have reverted your salt and delete of the article, as it did not meet the speedy delete criterion G11. Although the purpose is promotional, it can be edited to remove promotion. Many editors over years have not considered that this needed deletion. AFD is the place for this sort of deletion proposal, where deletion is controversial, rather than unilateral action. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- I consider this action ill-advised and have replied on your talk page. Sandstein 21:50, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Sandstein, I am letting you know that I have reverted your salt and delete of the article, as it did not meet the speedy delete criterion G11. Although the purpose is promotional, it can be edited to remove promotion. Many editors over years have not considered that this needed deletion. AFD is the place for this sort of deletion proposal, where deletion is controversial, rather than unilateral action. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
wishing to recreate a page that was deleted
Hello! You have deleted a page whose subject was me, under the title Vasile Baghiu, my name. It has passed quite a couple of years since then, and now I am interested to cooperate with you hopping that we could clarify together the matter of the subject's notability (as the most important one claimed in sustaining the deletion) so that I can recreate the page. If interest, new data are available on request. As an example, you can have a look on this webpage in English promoting contemporary Romanian writers. I would add that I am willing to contribute in the future to other Wiki projects in English. Thanks for your time and attention! My best! Vasiba (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hello, Mr. Baghiu. For the reasons explained in Wikipedia:Autobiography, writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged. Accordingly, I do not think that it would benefit the project if I were help you write one. I recommend to wait until someone else is interested enough in your work so as to want to write about you. In that event, they would have to cite independent reliable sources about you, as per WP:GNG. The website you cite, for instance, does not qualify, as it is by a publisher - presumably yours, and so not independent from you. Sandstein 14:51, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
Hi, Sandstein. You participated at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of endangered species threatened by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill discussion. The result of that discussion was to merge the List of endangered species threatened by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill into Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. The list was merged. However, there is a related discussion if the Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill was split correctly from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and if it should be merged back there. Relevant sections for this discussion are this and this. Your comments are appreciated. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I'm not really interested in the topic and therefore have little to contribute in the way of advice. Sandstein 21:51, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Working out the details at Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement
The RFC for TAFI is nearing it's conclusion, and it's time to hammer out the details over at the project's talk page. There are several details of the project that would do well with wider input and participation, such as the article nomination and selection process, the amount and type of articles displayed, the implementation on the main page and other things. I would like to invite you to comment there if you continue to be interested in TAFI's development. --NickPenguin(contribs) 02:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Norden1990
Hello, I read your intervention here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#AE.3F where you raised the possibility of a WP:AE investigation against User:Norden1990. I will not respond on his absurd false personal attacks there according to WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND, because I respect WP policies. You also affirmed "All editors commenting above have already been warned about this case, except for Fakirbakir", but I can't find User:Norden1990 on the list of warned users Wikipedia:ARBEE#List_of_editors_placed_on_notice. --Omen1229 (talk) 22:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)