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Hi SM -- I recognize your username but don't think we've ever interacted. Would you mind talking about [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=893519874 this] a little? I'm trying to avoid the wikistress and editor-hours of [[WP:AE|AE]]scalation. I just don't handle war/drama venues well, and (at the time of posting) the two other editors who have spoken in favor of it [[User_talk:Swarm#How_to_avoid_AEscalation?|haven't responded]] at usertalk. Given the history and merits of the case, I don't get why my putative COI should go to AE (or even ANI). The editor who started the ANI thread has never answered the big obvious question, but I'm afraid that my subsequent comments seemed like bludgeoning and now we may be drifting too far down the ol' [[Paul_Graham_(programmer)#Graham's_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement|hierarchy]]. --[[User:Middle 8|Middle 8]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/Middle_8|s]])[[User talk:Middle 8|talk]] • [[User:Middle 8/Privacy|privacy]]</small> 13:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC) |
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Old stuff to resolve eventually
Cueless billiards
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Categories are not my thing but do you think there are enough articles now or will be ever to make this necessary? Other than Finger billiards and possibly Carrom, what else is there?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Sad...How well forgotten some very well known people are. The more I read about Yank Adams, the more I realize he was world famous. Yet, he's almost completely unknown today and barely mentioned even in modern billiard texts.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:47, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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Some more notes: they bought Royal Worcester in 1983 and sold it the next year, keeping some of the electronics part.[3]; info about making records:[4]; the chair in 1989 was Lord Jenkin of Roding:[5]; "In 1880, crystalate balls made of nitrocellulose, camphor, and alcohol began to appear. In 1926, they were made obligatory by the Billiards Association and Control Council, the London-based governing body." Amazing Facts: The Indispensable Collection of True Life Facts and Feats. Richard B. Manchester - 1991wGtDHsgbtltnpBg&ct=result&id=v0m-h4YgKVYC&dq=%2BCrystalate; a website about crystalate and other materials used for billiard balls:No5 Balls.html. Fences&Windows 23:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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No one has actually objected to the idea that it's really pointless for WP:SAL to contain any style information at all, other than in summary form and citing MOS:LIST, which is where all of WP:SAL's style advice should go, and SAL page should move back to WP:Stand-alone lists with a content guideline tag. Everyone who's commented for 7 months or so has been in favor of it. I'd say we have consensus to start doing it. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 13:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC) |
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That page looks like a hinterland (you go back two users in the history and you're in August). Are you familiar with WP:MCQ? By the way, did you see my response on the balkline averages?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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Yeah, we did get along on Donkeys. And probably will get along on some other stuff again later. Best way to handle WP is to take it issue by issue and then let bygones be bygones. I'm finding some interesting debates over things like the line between a subspecies, a landrace and a breed. Just almost saw someone else's GA derailed over a "breed versus species" debate that was completely bogus, we just removed the word "adapt" and life would have been fine. I'd actually be interested in seeing actual scholarly articles that discuss these differences, particularly the landrace/breed issue in general, but in livestock in particular, and particularly as applied to truly feral/landrace populations (if, in livestock, there is such a thing, people inevitably will do a bit of culling, sorting and other interference these days). I'm willing to stick to my guns on the WPEQ naming issue, but AGF in all respects. Truce? Montanabw(talk) 22:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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The sentence at MOS:LIFE "General names for groups or types of organisms are not capitalized except where they contain a proper name (oak, Bryde's whales, rove beetle, Van cat)" is a bit odd, since the capitalization would (now) be exactly the same if they were the names of individual species. Can it simply be removed? There is an issue, covered at Wikipedia:PLANTS#The use of botanical names as common names for plants, which may or may not be worth putting in the main MOS, namely cases where the same word is used as the scientific genus name and as the English name, when it should be de-capitalized. I think this is rare for animals, but more common for plants and fungi (although I have seen "tyrannosauruses" and similar uses of dinosaur names). Peter coxhead (talk) 09:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
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Note to self on WP:WikiProject English language
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Finish patching up WP:WikiProject English language with the stuff from User:SMcCandlish/WikiProject English Language, and otherwise get the ball rolling. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 20:22, 17 August 2016 (UTC) |
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Somehow, I forget quite how, I came across this - that is an excellent summary of the distinctions. I often get confused over those, and your examples were very clear. Is something like that in the general MoS/citation documentation? Oh, and while I am here, what is the best way to format a citation to a page of a document where the pages are not numbered? All the guidance I have found says not to invent your own numbering by counting the pages (which makes sense), but I am wondering if I can use the 'numbering' used by the digitised form of the book. I'll point you to an example of what I mean: the 'book' in question is catalogued here (note that is volume 2) and the digitised version is accessed through a viewer, with an example of a 'page' being here, which the viewer calls page 116, but there are no numbers on the actual book pages (to confuse things further, if you switch between single-page and double-page view, funny things happen to the URLs, and if you create and click on a single-page URL the viewer seems to relocate you one page back for some reason). Carcharoth (talk) 19:10, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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A side note on the gender kerfuffle
There was some recent drama I got embroiled in here, about an essay criticizing shitty writing practices, which turned out to be controversial to a certain subset of editors because one of these shitty writing practices, in one particular variant that I didn't even illustrate, has a fanbase among language-change activists who have a fixation on transgender people. This drama is part of a broader wave of extremist browbeating and non-encyclopedic advocacy. Someone pointed me to this article, as just one example. It's a quick and interesting read. Précis: Someone in a philosophy journal made the case that arguments in support of transgender/non-binary (TG/NB) identity can also be used in support of the less common idea of transracial identity (which takes several forms, including "passing" as a member only of the dominant ethnicity despite ancestral admixture, to adoption of another ethnic identity that doesn't match one's genetics at all, which is often claimed to be a form of cultural appropriation and something of a social fraud). Rather than take this as it was actually written (same problem in the way my essay was received and reinterpreted), in this case as a potential defense of transracialism and tolerance toward it (or at least an argument that our rationales need to be clearer), the same kinds of TG/NB "allies" who misrepresented and attacked me started a letter-writing campaign of opprobrium against the paper's author. Their idea is that transracialism isn't actually acceptable (at least not the appropriating kind), ergo any argument in support of it that relies on logic in any way related to TG/NB is an actual attack on TG/NB people (i.e., as saying that TG/NB should be suppressed because TR should be suppressed). It's an obvious straw man that reverses the actual meaning of the paper, and all in the name of being blatantly intolerant while posing as tolerance activists. As with Wikipedia Signpost caving in and one of its editors "apologizing" under duress and the publication subjected to actual censorship of its e-pages, the publisher of the journal article also retracted the paper with an "apology". These are not actual apologies, they're PR moves to bring negative attention to an end, at the cost of some public shaming and – important here – throwing the individual author under the bus, despite what they wrote not saying anything like what the ranty critics said it did. This is not a good trend for broader reasons, since it suggests that rational discourse no longer has a place; it's telling us that as long as you can generate enough angry ranting, you can get what you want, both on Wikipedia and in real life.
Well, fuck that noise. I've said this before and will say it again: The real danger to Wikipedia's long-term future isn't the kind of vandal wave we survived in the 2000s; it's creeping takeover by people with socio-political and other agendas. More broadly, TG/NB (and LGBT+ more broadly) are not well served by "allies" like this. They do far more harm than good, and turn centrist, neutral, open-minded people to the political right, just to get the hell away from these creeps. And they are creepy. Nearly none of them are themselves TG/NB, but are privileged, cis-gendered, white, and mostly hetero New Left activists engaging in an in loco parentis "manufactured outrage" posturing party, and rather objectifying actual TG/NB people in the process (it's closely related to "inspiration porn"). They have no real-world political power, and rather than try to do anything about Trump, et al., they verbally attack people for imaginary doctrinal faults. It's kind of a form of public mental/verbal masturbation. It's so much easier to start shit with people on the Internet over fake interpretations of what they said than actually do any real-world grassroots effort to make the world a better place.
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Your point eludes me, perhaps because I keep tripping up at "adoption of another ethnic identity that doesn't match one's genetics at all", ancestral admixtures and so on. Are you assuming that these premises can be verified objectively, or do they merely accord with the american obsession with 'race' and otherness? I hope I'm getting this wrong :| cygnis insignis 23:02, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe read it again? My point has nothing whatsoever to do with how such matters are actually defined. :-) My point was that the same "gender warrior" types are making everyone miserable everywhere about everything they can think of, using the same "distort what you really said and claim you're saying something very different and that it's an attack on TG people" bullshit, and they're crawling all over Wikipedia like ticks. As for the background matter, the controversy seems to be about "reverse passing", namely white folk self-identifying as some other ethnic group. (And I'm sure it is probably is bound up in racialist thinking, a common fault in North American and European thinking, though it's worse over here in the US of A). I really don't care about the "issue", or any side on it; I care about reasoned writers being witch-hunted by censorious TG/NB "allies", a bunch of hypocritical busybodies – over things the writers didn't actually say or mean. It's just one example of the sorts of PoV crap that hits us in waves, of course, but it's one hardly anyone will dare to speak up about, because even doing so garners accusations of "transphobia" (it has nothing to do with that at all, but with calling TG-obsessed, cis-gendered extremist activists on their bullshit). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- that is why I asked, as I've said I haven't read the piece and didn't read the links to your example. Do I need to accept the premise that someone can identify as some other ethnicity and it can shown that they are are, in fact, white, science is amazing. I guess my comment is on the 'conversation points' and I should probably hold my tongue about those, I don't presume to have a right to air my views on conversations that trigger more absolute forms of censorship. As an editor, and part of this community, I am comfortable with being conservative and censorious with regards to personal views, but at the end of the day we can agree to disagree about how wrong you are :P Have a good one, cygnis insignis 05:35, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- On the science stuff: genetic markers are pretty well catalogued now. But I think this has more to do with family history. If someone claims to be an Arab, and the members of both sides of their family say there are no known Arab ancestors, then people are going to point fingers about it. The article in question neither pointed fingers nor refused to, but simply asked some epistemological questions about the rationales one might use to come to such a decision. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- that is why I asked, as I've said I haven't read the piece and didn't read the links to your example. Do I need to accept the premise that someone can identify as some other ethnicity and it can shown that they are are, in fact, white, science is amazing. I guess my comment is on the 'conversation points' and I should probably hold my tongue about those, I don't presume to have a right to air my views on conversations that trigger more absolute forms of censorship. As an editor, and part of this community, I am comfortable with being conservative and censorious with regards to personal views, but at the end of the day we can agree to disagree about how wrong you are :P Have a good one, cygnis insignis 05:35, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe read it again? My point has nothing whatsoever to do with how such matters are actually defined. :-) My point was that the same "gender warrior" types are making everyone miserable everywhere about everything they can think of, using the same "distort what you really said and claim you're saying something very different and that it's an attack on TG people" bullshit, and they're crawling all over Wikipedia like ticks. As for the background matter, the controversy seems to be about "reverse passing", namely white folk self-identifying as some other ethnic group. (And I'm sure it is probably is bound up in racialist thinking, a common fault in North American and European thinking, though it's worse over here in the US of A). I really don't care about the "issue", or any side on it; I care about reasoned writers being witch-hunted by censorious TG/NB "allies", a bunch of hypocritical busybodies – over things the writers didn't actually say or mean. It's just one example of the sorts of PoV crap that hits us in waves, of course, but it's one hardly anyone will dare to speak up about, because even doing so garners accusations of "transphobia" (it has nothing to do with that at all, but with calling TG-obsessed, cis-gendered extremist activists on their bullshit). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Signpost talk page
I have opined at Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom# From_the_editor re: WP:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/From_the_editors concerning their need for a "formal apology" from people who had absolutely nothing to do with what they are apologizing for in the first place. I thought you might find it of some minor interest. Collect (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- I did have a discussion with that new editor-in-chief about what he planned to post, though I'm not sure how much of it he accepted. I guess I should go read it and find out. It's okay for a role to issue an apology, I suppose, but I did strongly make the point that I, The Signpost, and Signpost volunteer staff are in no way in a position to apologize for people being/feeling offended; everyone owns their own emotions and no one is responsible for someone's [mis]interpretation of something but that individual. However, WP's e-newspaper, as a collective work, is arguably in a position to be responsible for predicting likely-to-be-obvious [over-]reactions by the readership, and to make decisions accordingly. Signpost's error was in running something that was almost certain to offend some subset of people, over a point that's not really all that important and which could have been made some other way. (And of course it's my fault for writing it that way in the first place, but as userspace jotting and basically a work in progress, that's perhaps forgivable. I'm not too sure about my decision to let someone from Signpost use it as a humor piece. That was just a really poor decision on my part.) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- Went over it. Some of the issues I flagged in the first draft have been resolved. I would wordsmith it further, but it's not my page. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:10, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
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"No proof of intent" ≠ "Exoneration"
I rather think the new Signpost direction is "interesting". Collect (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- The other side hates it, too, calling it a "sorry-not-sorry" piece. I predicted this outcome and said they should not run it, and simply do a better job with Signpost rather than make a show of groveling about how they're going to a better job. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:28, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
DYK for Ground billiards
On 26 March 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ground billiards, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that modern cue sports games such as snooker and nine-ball can be traced back to the game of ground billiards, played with hoops and mallets (illustration shown)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ground billiards. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ground billiards), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
- Huzzah! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Glad to see another one hit mainspace. Have you got anything in the old archives that needs looking at? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:54, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- Some things I didn't know and was pleased to discover, a good DYK mate. cygnis insignis 10:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- That was an interesting read, thank you for putting it together. Yunshui 雲水 11:02, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- +4. Nice work there. Cheers, North America1000 13:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- That was an interesting read, thank you for putting it together. Yunshui 雲水 11:02, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- For reference, I've added this to Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics, as it reached almost 10,000 views on the date of mainpage. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- Wowser! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:34, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Lee Vilenski: The only draft stuff I have laying around worth looking at is under User:SMcCandlish/Incubator. It varies from new articles to overhauls (some of which might be outdated – I'm not sure the one on Russian pyramid is viable, since the article itself has changed over the years), and some splits maybe. A few are pool related, but many are not. Some are too drafty for use at all (e.g. the one on Pedro Rigual – has no sources, and only very skeletal information). Three or four are WP:REFUND rescues from AfD: Gatmaitán, Schuldt, Pool TV, maybe Williams. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Dog food
Hi SMcCandish. I saw somewhere that you were working on dog food pages. I just tried to pick up on a conversation from 3.5 years ago here on a page where I have a disclosed COI but the editor I was collaborating with has since retired. I was wondering if you had a few minutes to take a look regarding renaming the Controversy section to something more descriptive and adding the judicial outcome of the case. No rush. CorporateM (Talk) 23:52, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well, it's no focus of mine, but I can take a look. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:57, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, dog. North America1000 02:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Someone barked up the right tree. I wasn't hounded into it, mind you. And I appreciate the pat on the head. Nice when someone throws you a bone on this site, amid all its howling drama and ankle-biting nitpicks. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking a look. I hadn't noticed that the sentence about veterinarians was tagged as editorializing. It feels off to me to cover a medical topic without stating the position of the associated medical profession, but I defer to you.
- Most of the stuff I'm doing for them is copyediting, infoboxes, and better logo images, but I do have one other controversial one at Talk:Alpo_(pet_food) under the heading "Un-cited content" if you feel like it. No bother if you'd rather do something else. I think most editors prefer to contribute on topics of personal interest, rather than those items that catch a COI's concern. CorporateM (Talk) 12:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Veterinarians are neither human-psychology experts nor legal-research experts, so their opinions about what may motivate people aren't any more pertinent than anyone else's, and even if they were, there's no evidence presented in the sources that the rationale they surmise was the actual cause of the party filing the case. Veterinarians are experts in veterinary medicine. It's a causality/correlation confusion (of the same sort as "Some people are racists, ergo XYZ Corp must be racist because they fired a Hispanic woman last week. And this must be true, because this social-science systematic review proves that, in fact, some people are racists.").
- I'll try to look into the Alpo thing when I get a moment. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:27, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Someone barked up the right tree. I wasn't hounded into it, mind you. And I appreciate the pat on the head. Nice when someone throws you a bone on this site, amid all its howling drama and ankle-biting nitpicks. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, dog. North America1000 02:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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More flag farms
Hi SMC, the "foreign_suppliers" parameter in Template:Infobox national military has a tendency to become a flag farm, as seen in Armed Forces of the Dominican Republic and People's Liberation Army. Btw, I can't find the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons#Flagicons in predecessor/successor. Is it somewhere else? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 00:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- It was; I got confused as to pages I was looking at, in which tab. Thread by this name how opened at WT:MOSICONS. I'll inject your point into it as well. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:14, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
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See above / See below
I'd like to make sure that the templates you created and deprecated {{See above}} and {{See below}} should be replaced per the documentation. If so, I'll be nominating them at TfD so this can be more properly handled. --Gonnym (talk) 11:44, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: They should really be replaced with very simple wrappers of
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, and I should've done that a long time ago. They don't need parameters unless people come up with actual-need use cases for them, instead of imagining use cases, which is where I went wrong. Anyway, I've swapped out the code and made new, simple documentation, so no TfD should be needed. Some people probably used this template in weird ways that aren't going to have the intended output now, but it shouldn't be many, and easy enough to track down. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 13:20, 14 April 2019 (UTC)- Also a good solution. Thanks for the help. --Gonnym (talk) 14:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- I believed I've cleaned up every instance of both templates in mainspace and projectspace (didn't bother with talk archives, userpages, etc.). They were never very popular due to their bewildering, pointless complexity. Maybe I was drunk or something when I wrote those templates, ha ha. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- What's with all these obscure templates I've never seen before? North America1000 03:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well, they're templates and obscure ones, thus your not having seen them. Heh. They were disused because they were way too complicated. I've replaced the code with very simple versions, so they may get used more. Or not. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:28, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- I've always liked {{paragraph break}}. Then there's {{meh1}}; bet you've never seen that one, since it's new. North America1000 21:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well, they're templates and obscure ones, thus your not having seen them. Heh. They were disused because they were way too complicated. I've replaced the code with very simple versions, so they may get used more. Or not. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:28, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- I believed I've cleaned up every instance of both templates in mainspace and projectspace (didn't bother with talk archives, userpages, etc.). They were never very popular due to their bewildering, pointless complexity. Maybe I was drunk or something when I wrote those templates, ha ha. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 15:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
- Also a good solution. Thanks for the help. --Gonnym (talk) 14:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States
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Please comment on Jacobo Arbenz
Hi. Please comment on the talk page of the article "Jacobo Arbenz", under the thread "Nicknames", as to whether "El Soldado del Pueblo" nickname is obscure or not and whether it should be added to the first sentence of the lead or not. Thanks! Thinker78 (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy/Proposed amendment (April 2019)
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship
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Speaking of flagcruft...
Check out List of diplomatic missions of the United States. I ... can't even find words. And what's with all the "Responses to <event>" articles with the flags going insane - see Responses to the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis, International reactions to the Arab Spring, Reactions to the death of Bhumibol Adulyadej, Reactions to the 2016 Brussels bombings, etc... (We have an entire category tree for these reactions articles? REALLY? Category:Reactions to 2010s events) Ealdgyth - Talk 13:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- I would just raise this all in the thread at WT:MOSICONS. You and me wanting to do something about it has little weight compared to a month-long discussion with everyone agreeing something should be done about it. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- I've added these into the discussion over there, to centralize. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups
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AEscalation
Hi SM -- I recognize your username but don't think we've ever interacted. Would you mind talking about this a little? I'm trying to avoid the wikistress and editor-hours of AEscalation. I just don't handle war/drama venues well, and (at the time of posting) the two other editors who have spoken in favor of it haven't responded at usertalk. Given the history and merits of the case, I don't get why my putative COI should go to AE (or even ANI). The editor who started the ANI thread has never answered the big obvious question, but I'm afraid that my subsequent comments seemed like bludgeoning and now we may be drifting too far down the ol' hierarchy. --Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 13:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)