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1. User Ryoung122 did not violate the terms of the "topic ban", therefore user Ryoung122 should not be blocked. |
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2. If User 69.15.219.71 violated terms of a topic ban, and was thus blocked, that was taken care of with a block of user 69.15.219.71. To block Ryoung122 is to be mis-applying punishment to a user who did not violate the rules. Thus, I ask for reinstatement of editing privileges for user Ryoung122. | decline=Nonsense. The topic ban is against you, regardless of whether you are editing as Ryoung122 or as an IP address. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|::==( o )]]</small></sup> 18:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)}} |
2. If User 69.15.219.71 violated terms of a topic ban, and was thus blocked, that was taken care of with a block of user 69.15.219.71. To block Ryoung122 is to be mis-applying punishment to a user who did not violate the rules. Thus, I ask for reinstatement of editing privileges for user Ryoung122. | decline=Nonsense. The topic ban is against you, regardless of whether you are editing as Ryoung122 or as an IP address. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|::==( o )]]</small></sup> 18:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)}} |
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Jgordon, no need to say "nonsense". The argument I made was a good one, and your comment shows that, once again, Wikipedia is "policed" by people who act in a way that is not cordial. Robots without emotion, run by logic, would be preferable. |
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Luka Magnotta
I shan't revert further on the article, as I don't want to be seen as not assuming good faith, and I don't want to edit war over a topic that is only of passing interest to me =) But I am of the opinion that a good deal of the speculation and hearsay in the article is in violation of BLP. The line about his websites, for example, may be speculation by a reliable source, but it is still speculation. I find it amusing to read following as it does a quote from Magnotta complaining that hoax websites in his name are being set up. Anyway, I've said my piece, and I certainly don't want to start falling out with people over some canadian nutjob. Perhaps if nothing else I have highlighted that people need to think hard about BLP before adding every little bit of news the media drip feeds out. Have a nice day, Ryoung =) GwenChan 16:18, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, while I understand your argument about some of the potential issues raised by the case, at this point it seems like many of them have yet to reach the point where we could honestly write about them without violating Wikipedia's proscriptions against original research. If you've got actual sources to demonstrate that the issues in question are actually being discussed in conjunction with the case, then by all means bring 'em on — but so far it seems to me like you might be brainstorming possible issues that might be addressed by criminology researchers in the future rather than ones that are actually already being discussed in the media (or at least the media I've seen so far).
- It's also worth noting that internet notoriety isn't at all the same thing as real world notability; he may have already been an infamous figure in certain niches of the interwebz for several years, but until just a few days ago he had never garnered anything like the necessary volume of reliable source coverage in real world media that would make him notable enough for our purposes here. (Note that even the cat videos and the Homolka thing are sourced almost exclusively to media coverage that's been generated in the past three days, and not to anything that would suggest that he garnered any substantial volume of media attention for them at the time.) You're certainly free to have an opinion on whether the media and/or the police dropped a ball they should have caught sooner than they did — but without coverage in reliable real world sources, it certainly wasn't Wikipedia's responsibility to beat them to the punch. Which is why he is still a WP:BLP1E at the present time — the murder allegation is the only thing, to date, that would make him somebody who might actually belong in a real encyclopedia, rather than just a directory of "weird bits of internet culture". Bearcat (talk) 21:10, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- Greetings, I think there are several issues to consider here. IN regards to "potential issues," my point was that at the AFD we need to wait as this story appears to have "legs". We already seeing some social-article results, such as
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/31/magnotta-a-ticking-time-bomb-relative
It may be that I have a good sense of what the media is going to do next, but they are covering some of my hypothetical angles already.
In regards to the second issue, media coverage prior to the most-recent "events" in the past week: while, true, I never heard of this man before a few days ago, it's also true that a Google Images search of "Luka Rocco Magnotta" prior to this week's story cycle returned quite a bit of hits...kitten-killer, pornstar, male model, Homolka rumors. Whether "engineered" by Magnotta or not...and most likely he has planned this out...this case is extremely unusual and has impact factors on social culture. For example:
"Dr. Bradford explained that..it's unlikely that the suspect is mentally ill or psychotic. 'Most people with (a) serious mental disorder don't do these types of things.' He also said the thought processes of the mentally ill are usually too disordered to carry out such a deliberate publicity campaign.
Sexual crimes are frequently recorded on video, Bradford said, but rarely murders. Even those who commit sexually-sadistic homicides (such as Bernardo and Homolka) tend to record only the sex because it is erotic to them.
"It sounds as though the purpose of the video was the homicide itself. It seems planned. He had a video camera set up and does the killing on the video. You have to ask yourself what is the motivation for that. It doesn't sound to be sexual. Is he extremely psychopathic and he wanted to bring himself into a position of tremendous notoriety, to become infamous as a Canadian homicide perpetrator? People with extreme psychopathology would do these sorts of things," he said. "That is my gut feeling."
So, we have a deliberate-publicity-campaign killer who, very unusually, films the actual murder and uses this to "terrorize" political party offices, in order to achieve "attention".
We have, in fact, "waves" of media coverage.
1. Human body parts mailed to Canadian political parties 2. The human body parts connected to a murder in Toronto 3. A search for the suspect (Interpol)
After the immediate coverage, we are having "follow-up" stories, examining the social issues. There is talk of Magnotta growing up in a broken home without parental supervision. The bottom line is that in a case like this, there were "warning signs" of impending trouble years in advance. As sick as the crimes committed were, that it took years to build up the psychopathy needed to commit them suggested there was a chance for intervention, had the "red flags" been heeded.
That, of course, raises secondary issues: why did the Canadian police ignore the kitten-killing videos? Why did they ignore the snuff film, which could have made it easier to catch the suspect right away? Botched police work will be yet another angle of this story. Of course, unless/until the suspect is captured, it's difficult to predict what will happen beyond the secondary-followup story angles. But expect to see another wave of coverage in magazines such as Time and Newsweek that will get deeper into the issues than just the fast-paced press.Ryoung122 21:53, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Saint George, Georgia
Hello, Ryoung. A while back, you left a large deposit on the talk page for Saint George, Georgia. I didn't see how it fit in with the purpose of a talk page, and I almost deleted the entire section. But then it occurred to me that perhaps you were using the talk page as an archive of material you intended to incorporate in the article at some point in the future. You will find the material here, if you would still plan to make use of it. 76.106.149.108 (talk) 23:30, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ryoung122 for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Canadian Paul 19:14, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- Your biased, POV-pushing editing makes Wikipedia a worse place, and less-informed, CP. Considering the history you have shown against me, certainly you should have considered recusing yourself from such an investigation.
Again, your edits make Wikipedia a worse place and the Wikipedia reader less-informed. Have a nice day. Ryoung122 16:26, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
September 2012
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. T. Canens (talk) 00:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)Ryoung122 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Greetings, I am appealing this "block" on several grounds, which I feel are unfair: 1. Decision was made even before I had a chance to respond. 2. User CanadianPaul has a history of "anti-Robert-Young" editing...he has a problem with ME, not with the edit results. Thus, his request for a CheckUser is a Conflict-of-Interest request. Notice that CanadianPaul did not reverse this edit, he only complained of who did it: 15:20, 5 September 2012 69.15.219.71 (talk) . . (2,864 bytes) (-78) . . (deleted fancruft. Get real. He's the only one because he's a man, and an exception was made to add him early. That's nothing special, that's the opposite of special...an "honorable mention"=didn't make it on its own merit) (undo) So, might I ask: is it really detrimental to Wikipedia to allow an edit which improves Wikipedia? Or, is it detrimental to Wikipedia to block someone who has positive contributions to make to Wikipedia? 3. User JohnJBulten, who was pushing religious fundamentalism on Wikipedia: longevity artices, was only banned for one year. Think about this: if I had been topic-banned for "only one" year, then the edits I am accused of doing would be perfectly fine. Some of those who were in the Feb 2011 discussion thought that my indefinite topic ban would last less than a year. Even people who don't like me, such as DavidinDC, said as much. Thus, the real question is whether the "indefinite" ban is being abused at Wikipedia as an excuse to do nothing. Fair is fair; unfair is unfair. After 1+ year of being "topic-banned," I repeatedly requested a discussion about lifting the topic ban. There was no response, either positive or negative. "Indefinitely" does NOT mean "forever". Clearly, it was unfair to me for admins at Wikipedia to not have a discussion when one was so requested. It was also unfair to be banned, again, without a discussion or even a warning. Talk page comments from non-admins do not constitute a "warning". I have made over 13,000 edits to Wikipedia, and have contributed to areas such as botany, tennis, geographic small towns, etc outside of "longevity". Such a ban hurts Wikipedia. I have two Master's degrees and have won awards for my work outside Wikipedia. The problem is not me. I am not causing a problem here, therefore I should not be banned. Again, as I mentioned: most agreed with the edits made...CP did not reverse the edits that IP 69.515 made. So, what's the issue here? Sincerely, Robert Young
Decline reason:
You were violating your topic ban, this is not in question. The rest of it matters little, and your argument is baseless, the topic ban IS in place, and you are obligated to follow it, not sock. Unblock declined, and this should be considered a checkuserblock a this point. Attacking another user will also never succeed as a block appeal. Courcelles 17:58, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Comment to Courcelles:
Once again, Wikipedia shows the failings of humans, who rule with emotion, not logic. My argument was not "baseless" (that is an opinion). You did not address the issues I raised. I will be requesting a second review from someone else.Ryoung122 18:42, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Ryoung122 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
There is no valid reason for Wikipedia user Ryoung122 to be blocked. I am appealing the "block" based on two grounds:
1. User Ryoung122 did not violate the terms of the "topic ban", therefore user Ryoung122 should not be blocked. 2. If User 69.15.219.71 violated terms of a topic ban, and was thus blocked, that was taken care of with a block of user 69.15.219.71. To block Ryoung122 is to be mis-applying punishment to a user who did not violate the rules. Thus, I ask for reinstatement of editing privileges for user Ryoung122.
Decline reason:
Nonsense. The topic ban is against you, regardless of whether you are editing as Ryoung122 or as an IP address. --jpgordon::==( o ) 18:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Thanks for the vacation, everyone! I can certainly find more uses of my time than donating it here. With just one update on the GRG or GWR website, Wikipedes will make the updates that need to be made, whether I donate my time here personally or not.
Jgordon, no need to say "nonsense". The argument I made was a good one, and your comment shows that, once again, Wikipedia is "policed" by people who act in a way that is not cordial. Robots without emotion, run by logic, would be preferable.
Have a nice day. Ryoung122 21:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)