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:You have continually referred to it as "my" page/draft. You've said that someone's being disrespectful for doing what is their right - this is a wiki and they have the right to edit the draft if they so desire. If you do not wish to collaborate with other editors, then Wikipedia is not the place for you. It is not disrespectful to help you publish an article. That is not at all disrespectful or presumptuous. You are the one choosing to fight/argue with others when you are refusing to take their advice and help. You may wish to review [[WP:TNT]] - because honestly, at this point, it may be better to just start from scratch. I feel you are too attached to all the writing you did to let it go - but the vast majority of the draft is inappropriate for an article. Possibly tried to help you by removing parts that had no chance to make it into the article... and your response was to tell them they're wrong and they should undo it? That's not the type of attitude that's expected from a collaborative editor here. I strongly encourage you to apologize to Possibly and ask them humbly to consider making suggestions to you here about the draft so you can learn - instead of telling them to undo their helpful edits and basically "piss off". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez ([[User:Berchanhimez|User]]/[[User talk:Berchanhimez|say hi!]]) 03:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC) |
:You have continually referred to it as "my" page/draft. You've said that someone's being disrespectful for doing what is their right - this is a wiki and they have the right to edit the draft if they so desire. If you do not wish to collaborate with other editors, then Wikipedia is not the place for you. It is not disrespectful to help you publish an article. That is not at all disrespectful or presumptuous. You are the one choosing to fight/argue with others when you are refusing to take their advice and help. You may wish to review [[WP:TNT]] - because honestly, at this point, it may be better to just start from scratch. I feel you are too attached to all the writing you did to let it go - but the vast majority of the draft is inappropriate for an article. Possibly tried to help you by removing parts that had no chance to make it into the article... and your response was to tell them they're wrong and they should undo it? That's not the type of attitude that's expected from a collaborative editor here. I strongly encourage you to apologize to Possibly and ask them humbly to consider making suggestions to you here about the draft so you can learn - instead of telling them to undo their helpful edits and basically "piss off". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez ([[User:Berchanhimez|User]]/[[User talk:Berchanhimez|say hi!]]) 03:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC) |
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[[User:Berchanhimez|Berechanhimez]]... I am asking, once again, that you stop harassing me! You are fabricating lies about me and putting words in my mouth. You are also making wild, unfounded assumptions and accusations. This is unacceptable behaviour on your behalf and you need to immediately refrain from harassing me and attempting to intimate me. Additionally, I will be filing a complaint against you for this utterly shameful display! I'm embarrassed on your behalf, tbh! Now, PLEASE leave me alone. Enough is enough!<br> |
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Ryan ([[User:Ryancoke2020|Ryancoke2020]] ([[User talk:Ryancoke2020#top|talk]]) 03:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)) |
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Adding Copyrighted Images
- @AmandaNP: Dear Amanda - I'm hoping all is well. I have several images that I am hoping to include as part of the Wikipedia page I am creating. They do not belong to me, nor have I uploaded them to Wikipedia Commons. I have, however, contacted the owner of these photos and he is willing to grant permission. I've read through much of the information re: uploading copyrighted material and how to proceed, but I'm still mostly unsure which is the best way to proceed. Should he use the Interactive Release Generator? Should he upload his photos to Flickr and, from there, I'd be able to use them? Should he use the Declaration of consent form? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, Amanda. Thank you, kindly.
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 22:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC))
Concerns / Getting Nervous
@AmandaNP: - Hey Amanda! I genuinely hope all is well in your corner of the country. I'm currently still plugging away at the Wikipedia page I'm creating, but I have to admit that I'm getting nervous. I'm really trying to do everything by the book, but it's inevitable that I'm going to violate a rule or standard - and, that's definitely not my intention. For example, for convenience sake and only temporarily, I am referencing as much as I can using external links so that I remember where the information came from. That said, some of these links (YouTube, IMDb, etc.) will likely be prohibited (from what I read). I feel as though it's still important that I know where the information originated and, as I progress, I could potentially find a link that would be more suitable / appropriate (thus, replacing the previous link). Is this OK to do in the meantime or am I at risk of someone noticing, and having my page deleted or blocked? Is it perhaps better not to reference or cite anything until I am more knowledgeable about what's acceptable and what may be prohibited or even frown upon? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Just trying to head off any issues before they manifest themselves. I think you'll understand what I mean.
Thank you, Amanda. Wishing you well,
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 03:55, 16 July 2020 (UTC))
- Your page won't be deleted just due to improper sourcing while you have it as a draft. You can put down what you need to for now, and fix it before publishing. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 04:44, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
@AmandaNP: - That's a big relief! Thank you! ... Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 04:55, 16 July 2020 (UTC))
Your submission at Articles for creation: Tomos Roberts (December 31)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Tomos Roberts (January 13)
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AfC notification: Draft:Tomos Roberts has a new comment
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Theroadislong... Thank you for the clarifications. I will endeavor to correct these issues. Apart from said issues, do you believe it's still worthwhile to continue improving?
Also, I have no conflicts of interest. I suppose I simply tend to write a bit too effusively.
Thank you, kindly.
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 14:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC))
- It is hard to ascertain if they are notable because of the extreme ref bombing, we can't see the wood for the trees, content should be reduced to what is reported by any independent sources, we have no interest in what his own websites, YouTube etc say about him. Theroadislong (talk) 15:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Tomos Roberts
Are you connected in some way to Tomos Roberts? Uninvolved editors rarely go to so much effort. Possibly (talk) 17:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello Possibly... No, I have no relation or connection to Tomos Roberts. Ultimately, my dedication and hard work are in the service of Wikipedia, and my genuine goal or hope is to become a reviewer/editor/volunteer for the site. I believe, with additional experience and devotion, I can achieve this. I do realize that I've tackled a rather large project, but I remain undaunted and I assure you that I will continue to work diligently, even if I stumble along the way. Thank you!
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC))
- Ok,thanks. Are you being paid or compensated to write this article? You might want to try writing a much smaller article next time. You have created a gigantic article that also has potentially a hundred or more problems that need to be corrected before it's published. Very few experienced volunteer editors are going to do that work. 17:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello Possibly... No, I am not being compensated or paid in any way to write this article. I enjoy taking on challenges, especially those involving the composition or editing of various projects such as CVs, cover letters, letters of reference, medical school applications, government funding requests, letters of intent, etc. I'm able to undertake these projects in either French or English. But, ultimately, especially during these difficult economic times, I do not charge for my services. I simply don't have the heart to do so, tbh.
Regarding my draft, I think it may be best if I "chop" it down to its core elements, then once it's approved (hopefully), I could potentially build upon it. Would that be a wise approach? Thank you for your concern and advice. I do appreciate it!
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2021 (UTC))
January 2021
Hi Ryancoke2020! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Possibly (talk) 01:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Possibly... I'm still working on my draft. My article has yet to be accepted. Does this matter or do the editing rules still apply?
Additionally, could you let me know what it was that I edited (that shouldn't have been marked as "minor")?
Thank you, kindly!
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 01:53, 14 January 2021 (UTC))
- we tend to not say "my article". There is no ownership of articles on Wikipedia. Possibly (talk) 02:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Possibly... I just noticed a large portion of my draft is missing. I have no idea where it disappeared to, in fact. Is this the "minor" edit you're referring to, perhaps? I'd like to know what happened. Thank you.
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 02:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC))
- Hi. You should avoid marking anything as minor until you get more editing experience. The missing parts are probably the sections I chopped out; articles in draft space can be worked on by anyone. I think he is probably notable, but about 90% of the article needs to be cut before it can be published. Anything using Youtube, Facebook or IMDB as a source can be cut. Those are the things I cut.Possibly (talk) 02:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Possibly... I am in the process of editing my draft. Why are you editing my page prior to me completing it and submitting it for review? I do not appreciate this one bit and I would ask you to immediately refrain from undertaking any additional changes. You even managed to make a syntax error (capitalization) which I immediately noticed.
I've been working on this page for ~6 months. I do not want someone - at the eleventh hour - for all intents and purposes, vandalizing my page!
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 02:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC))
- See WP:OWN: Wikipedia is collaboratively edited. I was actually giving you a hand after seeing your posts saying that you are having a hard time with reviewers. However, I will stop and let you continue for the moment. A large draft such as the one you have created has zero chances of being published without help, as it contains literally hundreds of errors that are preventing that. Possibly (talk) 02:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Possibly... I am too upset to discuss this right now. I would ask that you restore the changes you made to my page. I will make the necessary changes as per the various recommendations given to me and, when I require assistance, I will kindly ask for it.
Thank you,
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 02:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC))
- I have your talkpage on my watchlist for I don't know why, but I am going to give you some advice - stop thinking you own the page. Seriously. You do not. It is not "your page", and you don't have the right to bully other editors into not helping you. If they want to help, they can. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Possibly is trying to help you with your article, and you are fighting them. You do not get to "approve" or "deny" changes to the draft, nor do you get to tell people to not edit a page on this website. You have next to zero chance of getting this article approved unless you let others come in and help you. Put simply, you are wasting your time if you expect to get this article approved without taking Possibly's and other editors help. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) See WP:OWN: anyone can edit this page. As soon as you post it here,it can be edited by others. Now, I can see how you maybe attached to what you wrote... but it is unpublishable as is. This is a quite common situation, since writing a new Wikipedia page is very complicated as there are so many rules. However, as many reviewers have pointed out, the way you have written the page, it will not be published as it has a quite large number of problems. Possibly (talk) 02:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Berchanimez... I am not fighting anyone, nor have I bullied anyone. You are harassing me and I would ask that you immediately stop. I never claimed that I "own" any page? What are you talking about? I've been working diligently to improve my draft throughout the past ~6 months and to have someone suddenly slash and burn my work is disrespectful, unwarranted and highly presumptuous. I reached out to a specific reviewer for help and I am following the recommendations they provided me. I don't appreciate your threatening tone and I find it harassing in nature. I am not here to fight or to argue with people. Please be better than this going forward!
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 02:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC))
- You have continually referred to it as "my" page/draft. You've said that someone's being disrespectful for doing what is their right - this is a wiki and they have the right to edit the draft if they so desire. If you do not wish to collaborate with other editors, then Wikipedia is not the place for you. It is not disrespectful to help you publish an article. That is not at all disrespectful or presumptuous. You are the one choosing to fight/argue with others when you are refusing to take their advice and help. You may wish to review WP:TNT - because honestly, at this point, it may be better to just start from scratch. I feel you are too attached to all the writing you did to let it go - but the vast majority of the draft is inappropriate for an article. Possibly tried to help you by removing parts that had no chance to make it into the article... and your response was to tell them they're wrong and they should undo it? That's not the type of attitude that's expected from a collaborative editor here. I strongly encourage you to apologize to Possibly and ask them humbly to consider making suggestions to you here about the draft so you can learn - instead of telling them to undo their helpful edits and basically "piss off". -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Berechanhimez... I am asking, once again, that you stop harassing me! You are fabricating lies about me and putting words in my mouth. You are also making wild, unfounded assumptions and accusations. This is unacceptable behaviour on your behalf and you need to immediately refrain from harassing me and attempting to intimate me. Additionally, I will be filing a complaint against you for this utterly shameful display! I'm embarrassed on your behalf, tbh! Now, PLEASE leave me alone. Enough is enough!
Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 03:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC))