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Hi, Roguegeek. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars_Galaxies&diff=next&oldid=136348238 Here], you revised a sentence to remove a direct quotation from MMORPG.com and replaced with a generic "Some media organizations" phrasing (retaining the reference to MMORPG.com). Can I ask why? It seems that it's best to quote a specific source when making references such as this, rather than to rely on "Some media organizations." [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 16:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC) |
Hi, Roguegeek. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Star_Wars_Galaxies&diff=next&oldid=136348238 Here], you revised a sentence to remove a direct quotation from MMORPG.com and replaced with a generic "Some media organizations" phrasing (retaining the reference to MMORPG.com). Can I ask why? It seems that it's best to quote a specific source when making references such as this, rather than to rely on "Some media organizations." [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 16:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:I understand your desire to keep it NPOV, but my understanding was that the preferred method of doing that was to assign the statement to a specific source. I may be misinterpreting [[WP:AWW|"avoid weasel words"]], though I'm fairly sure I saw that written somewhere. =) I'm also not too worried about POV in this case because the MMORPG.com quotation itself was careful to say "probably". I don't think anyone's really disputed that SWG really has invoked more controversy than any other MMORPG (though the uncertainty inherent in any attempt to measure "controversy" necessitates the use of words like "probably"), so there's really no opposing view that we need to worry about presenting. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 01:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
:I understand your desire to keep it NPOV, but my understanding was that the preferred method of doing that was to assign the statement to a specific source. I may be misinterpreting [[WP:AWW|"avoid weasel words"]], though I'm fairly sure I saw that written somewhere. =) I'm also not too worried about POV in this case because the MMORPG.com quotation itself was careful to say "probably". I don't think anyone's really disputed that SWG really has invoked more controversy than any other MMORPG (though the uncertainty inherent in any attempt to measure "controversy" necessitates the use of words like "probably"), so there's really no opposing view that we need to worry about presenting. [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 01:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Secondary sources == |
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Sport Rider is definitely a primary source. They do not analyze, generalize or comment on other people's data, they present their own measurement results. They measure dry weight differently from the manufacturer (simple arithmetics - 417-389=28 lbs - exactly the weight of 4.8 gallons of gasoline), that's why their results are different. --[[User:Itinerant1|Itinerant1]] 05:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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M1
That was indecently quick!
The M1 in the Rossi era can only be accurately represented in terms of its substantial and significant history in that period. I'm sure you'll agree, that most instances of the M1 being noteworthy in the 2006 season (and there were many) were intrinsically linked with Rossi, and I think Wikipedia users deserve more than a one liner about such an important Motorcycle, in such an important season, in such an increasingly popular sport. - playbike 01:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Re Block threat for supposed abuse
Bah. Do we have to be utterly humourless when we do such boring work as (constantly) reverting spammers? Isn't your precious time best spent threatening blocks on said spammers? You didn't actually think I was being abusive with my little quip? Please lighten up. I've never gotten worked up in any edit I've made, I just like to make strongly and directly, so there's no confusion. It's all a matter of style. Are you part of the new, emerging, band of personality police around here? Maybe it's cultural relativity. I come from a part of the world where we don't accept abuse and we say what we mean. It may be that you come from a totalitarian state where unless you toe the line it is not tolerated. I think with a little good will we can all understand each other's point of view. Darkov 11:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Your 8 word reply is a little cryptic. Can you expand a little? Darkov 22:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Look, you asked me to put in sources, so I reverted the article and put in sources. And now I'm going to revert it back and phrase it as "A hybrid electric version is rumored to be in development for sale in late 2007, according to Japanese newspaper Nihon Keizai Shimbun."
I hope that satisfies you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ng.j (talk • contribs) 23:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
In the year that the article was written, Honda has decided to go with an all new model and will not produce the Honda Fit Hybrid. So ends our discussion.
Ng.j 23:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Suzuki Hayabusa
I just thought I would inform you that you have put the performance data in incorrectly, they both state 60-80 mph is 3.31mph and 3.13mph. This makes no sense to me. Can you please correct this? Also, I completely agree with your plan to revert it back to a more reliable test. - Century0 03:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'm glad you caught that. Definitely a typo on my part. The second time is suppose to be from 80-100 mph. Looks like another editor already picked up on the problem and fixed it. Roguegeek (talk) 18:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Uli Kunkel
Hi Roguegeek, the above user just reported you for vandalism at AIV. What you are doing is not vandalism (obviously) but if the user is being unreasonable, I find the best thing to do is give them another option (eg I told him about the {{main}} template) rather than threatening them with 3rr. People don't tend to react well to that :) Thanks, – riana_dzasta 02:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
SWG Edits
I am not the first person to raise issues of verifiability and neutrality on this article. I'm the most recent in a long list of people with the same concerns. Where in the Wiki policies does it require that I provide a "long and detailed" justification for adding {{pov}} and {{unreferenced}} tags? It just says you should discuss the reasons on the talk page, it doesn't say that the initiator has to provide "long and detailed" justifications. Am I missing something here? Jonawiki 23:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I agree with your point of not having enough sources. I'm just thinking we need to be more specific about what sources for what parts are lacking. Roguegeek (talk) 03:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I moved your comments. You're the one now deleting all my past edits to the talk page. Magonaritus 02:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- I would suggest people reading this to take a look at User talk:Magonaritus to see what kind of feedback they are receiving from other editors. Roguegeek (talk) 03:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Blocked
You have been blocked for violating the three-revert rule at Star Wars Galaxies. In the future, please discuss controversial changes or use the dispute resolution procedures rather than engage in an edit war. The duration of the block is 24 hours. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Star Wars Galaxies
I see you're having some difficulty with Jonawiki (talk · contribs) and Magonaritus (talk · contribs). I've been dealing with "them" for over a year at Upper Canada College. I say "them" as I've reported both as sockpuppets. Please feel free to contribute comments or evidence if you wish. Thanks. --G2bambino 16:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for setting up that proper investigation - I wasn't aware of that process. I've since added my comments to it. I do, however, remain somewhat unknowledgeable about these matters, and so wonder what the next step is. The template you left at Jonawiki's talk page links to this page, which states "If the accuser hasn't requested CheckUser for ten days, you are allowed to remove the notice from your page." Does this mean you must, if you haven't already, request a CheckUser? I suppose I should notify you that I made a CheckUser request against Magonaritus back on March 8, which was deemed unnecessary. --G2bambino 15:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Image Source or Spam
I note you removed the contributors URL from a number of images today with the comment "removed spam" (e.g. [1] [2]). I note that you have a URL to your website on many of the images you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons as RichN. Could you explain how this is different? -- Patleahy 02:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
External Link and IP image
Hi Roguegeek, regarding:
... It looks ok, but it should be submitted through the Open Directory Project link listed in the external links section. Roguegeek (talk) 05:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
on the Honda S2000 discussion page, how do I submit this exactly? I couldn't figure it out by poking around the Open Directory pages. Thanks.
Also, regarding:
Those are excellent images of the S2000. If you are able to shoot more, we are in desperate need to get nice free use images of the interior and IP. Is this something you think you could get? ...
I can post more images, but what exactly is IP?
Template Chevrolet
- My friend who is a GM mechanic of 10 years with saw your revision of my edit to the template and wishes to confirm that the Corsica and Beretta are in fact mid size vehicles. You can contact him on yahoo messenger at whitewolf_17862.
I owned a 1994 Corsica (mid-size) until last year and I currently own a 1998 Prizm (compact) and I can assure you the Corsica is not even close to the same size or cabin space an the much smaller Prizm. My mother owns a 2005 Cavalier (compact) and it is also much smaller than the Corsica. These cars are not in the same class.
Government website listing the Corsica as a mid size. [http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/Midsize_Cars1991.shtml
Also the Prizm was sold as a subcompact from 1989 to 1992 in 1993 a new larger body style was introduced and the car was from then on marketed as a compact. K_Watson1984
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Lucy Deakins
Google searching, and confirming info with revised searches. Example: One Google search showed her at an event. I google the event and add her name. The resultant info gives me more info about her, or confirms other info that didn't have citation. Most of the info exists of various fan sites, but it was all verifiable. Arcayne (cast a spell) 01:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC) (who had a major league crush on her and Diane Lane as a kid)
Suzuki TL1000R
Have tried to add one source and clarify another in the Reputation section. The widow-maker term is frequently found in forums, but they are not "verifiable". An alternative term is "handling problems", also easily found with Google. If it is still suss, why not delete that section, as belonging to a TL1000S article. Suzuki said at the time that there was no fault, but added a steering damper to subsequent bikes. This was before the TL1000R was released. Seasalt 05:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
PanoTools vs Panorama Tools
The PanoTools group was created in April of 2003. Prior to that, Helmut ran the Panorama Tools list. The NG group is using our group name and domain name as a shortcut to kicking of their new group. The word "original" is being used in the correct context. John Spikowski 22:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Lets leave the one line as it is and give it a break. The NG group has dominated the page so the reader has more then enough info to make his/her own choice as to where they want to point their browsers. If they want to join the Panotools forum then great. If they find a mailing list is more their cup of tea then that fine also. I'm just trying to continue on with what I started 4 years ago and get past the nasty split of the group. John Spikowski 00:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The Panorama Tools developemnt is maintained on SourceForge with a home page and mailing list of it's own. The only other group that is actively involved in the Panorama Tools project is the Hugin group. The PanoToolsNG group is a Yahoo Groups mailing list about general panorama photography. As I mentioned before, there hasn't been a reference to the Panorama Tools library or viewer in months. Why should this new group take credit for the work of others? John Spikowski 03:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Because the developers recommend those mailing lists and wiki. This is shown to be referenced correctly through the source I have cited in the article. It's a verifiable fact. Roguegeek (talk) 04:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Tell Thomas and Carl to let other have some say to what is 'legal' and what isn't. Everytime we make progress and it looks like we have come to a middle ground, Thomas or Carl will delete the PanoTools group link and it starts all over again. John Spikowski 03:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Thomas (NG facilities manager, list moderator and owner) is user:wuz . Carl (NG list moderator and owner) is user:Einemnet
> Also keep in mind I didn't delete your link. I, in fact, have always recommended it should stay. > Thanks !
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Defender of the Wiki
Rogue - some time ago you deposited a barnstar on my talk page. I figured it was about time I got round to thanking you. So - cheers for the barnstar! --G2bambino 15:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Date formats
Hi Roguegeek. In this edit, you reformatted dates to yyyy-mm-dd format, supposedly "per WP:MOS". I looked at WP:DATE, though, and it specifically suggests not using that format: "new users and unregistered users do not have any date preferences set, and will therefore see the unconverted ISO 8601 date." (WP:DATE#ISO date formats). Can you clarify your reasoning? Powers T 12:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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What looks like spam? Golden Gare Bridge
Did I offer to sell something? The pictures are unique and very special. Many people are interested in these phenomenas, but do not know where to see them. You offer it for discussion and we'll see.--Mbz1 04:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1 You telling me to be civil? You called it a spam! Of course I do not know English as well as you do, but what in world it has to do with spam? I agree discuss the section, but do not remove it because the discussion ends.--Mbz1 04:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
- What about using the word "Spam"?--Mbz1 04:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
- It is very complicated. I'm still not sure what category of spam the section was under. Advertisements masquerading as articles, External link spamming,Source soliciting,External link spamming with bots,Inclusion of one spam link is not a reason to include another,Canvassing? Which one of them? Can you, explain it to me please?--Mbz1 05:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
- Hello, Roguegeek. I removed the section from the GGB page not because I agree with you(I do not), but just because I'm too tiered to fight over it. If you do not remove it now, somebody else will later. I guess it is how Wikipedia works. I believe that at that point the dispute is resolved and I do not expect to get a reply from you. Regards--Mbz1 17:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
- I just copied and pasted your own exact words from the talk page you have created to discus the section to explain why it was removed. If yo believe your own words were not "civil", sorry I cannot help you. I'm really not interested in getting any more of your messages. If you like, you could report me to an administrator, or better yet please request the pictures to be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm not going to foght it either.--Mbz1 02:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
- Hello, Roguegeek. I removed the section from the GGB page not because I agree with you(I do not), but just because I'm too tiered to fight over it. If you do not remove it now, somebody else will later. I guess it is how Wikipedia works. I believe that at that point the dispute is resolved and I do not expect to get a reply from you. Regards--Mbz1 17:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
- It is very complicated. I'm still not sure what category of spam the section was under. Advertisements masquerading as articles, External link spamming,Source soliciting,External link spamming with bots,Inclusion of one spam link is not a reason to include another,Canvassing? Which one of them? Can you, explain it to me please?--Mbz1 05:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
- What about using the word "Spam"?--Mbz1 04:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mbz1
Attribution
Hi, Roguegeek. Here, you revised a sentence to remove a direct quotation from MMORPG.com and replaced with a generic "Some media organizations" phrasing (retaining the reference to MMORPG.com). Can I ask why? It seems that it's best to quote a specific source when making references such as this, rather than to rely on "Some media organizations." Powers T 16:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- I understand your desire to keep it NPOV, but my understanding was that the preferred method of doing that was to assign the statement to a specific source. I may be misinterpreting "avoid weasel words", though I'm fairly sure I saw that written somewhere. =) I'm also not too worried about POV in this case because the MMORPG.com quotation itself was careful to say "probably". I don't think anyone's really disputed that SWG really has invoked more controversy than any other MMORPG (though the uncertainty inherent in any attempt to measure "controversy" necessitates the use of words like "probably"), so there's really no opposing view that we need to worry about presenting. Powers T 01:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Secondary sources
Sport Rider is definitely a primary source. They do not analyze, generalize or comment on other people's data, they present their own measurement results. They measure dry weight differently from the manufacturer (simple arithmetics - 417-389=28 lbs - exactly the weight of 4.8 gallons of gasoline), that's why their results are different. --Itinerant1 05:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)