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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Barnstar is awarded to Richard, thank you so much for your help. You are a real asset to the project! Keep up the wonderful work, and god bless. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] ([[User talk:Adamtheclown|talk]]) 02:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC) |
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Wow! very well written and easy to understand, that must have taken sometime for you to write. thank you again... |
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[[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] ([[User talk:Adamtheclown|talk]]) 16:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC) |
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I hereby award you the Working Man's Barnstar for your excellent and tireless reworking of the List of postcode districts in the United Kingdom with great coding to realise the suggestions. Well done! ---- Zangar (talk) 07:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC) |
New Page Patrol - Disambiguation bot
I'd appreciate you contributing to the consensus for the New Page Patrol disambiguation bot at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/WildBot Josh Parris 03:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
alt text for images in infobox
Hi, I noticed you removed alt=text from several articles using Template:Infobox UK place. The idea is for partially sighted users to be able to interpret the image (see WP:ALT). I've checked the template page & notice the correct syntax is static_image_alt =text. There is also a parameter map_alt = for maps. Would you be kind enough to change it to this if you find any others rather than removing the alt text?— Rod talk 09:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking at these again. The only ones with alt text are down to me as I think it's important & is now a requirement for featured status - so should increase. It might be worth putting a comment on the talk page of the template about static_image_alt being incompatible with static_image & possibly mentioning this on Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography where many (but by no means all) users of this template might spot it. Thanks again.— Rod talk 10:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
user subpages tip
When you're done with pages such as User:Richardguk/LE postcode area and User:Richardguk/ZE postcode area, you can ask that they be deleted by adding {{db-userreq}} to the top of each page. --Stepheng3 (talk) 20:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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If I ask really really nicely, will you do me a huge favour? When you are doing your mass infobox tweaks, could you mark the edits as minor? I have most UK places on my watchlist, so it rapidly fills up! There is a hug in it for you if you do it :) Thanks, and keep up the good work! Jeni (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
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Postcode districts transclusion test
I've experimented with User:MRSC/List of postcode districts, which transcludes the tables from three postcode area articles. I think we should use List of postcode districts in the United Kingdom to get the postcode area tables up to a decent standard and then construct the list article from transclusions to avoid duplication. Interested to hear your thoughts? MRSC (talk) 11:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Some impressive work you've been doing on the postcode area articles. If it's any consolation for your hard work, I do feel guilty standing here on the sidelines idly waving! Though I have been experimenting with some map making.
- Anyway, that said...
- List content:
- List of postcode districts in the United Kingdom is already a very large page and can be very slow to render. I'm concerned that if we replace its narrowly-defined (but complete) content with the more detailed (but less verifiable) content from transcluding the area article lists, we'll make a page that is too large to be usable – but which, being prominently linked from navboxes and related pages, unsuspecting readers will often find themselves loading and perhaps freezing their browser.
- This is a dilemma and my unorthodox but pragmatic suggestion is to keep the content of the existing list article but to add a prominent link at the top to another page containing the detailed transcluded list, and a warning alongside the link that it leads to a very large page.
- I've not seen any precedent for this on Wikipedia, so perhaps there is a more conventional solution. But the existing list is (on my PC) a test of patience, so I'd worry if we lost it to something that was an order of magnitude slower.
- A penny for your thoughts!
- Transclusion method:
- Because editors are likely to insert hatnotes and other markup at the start and end of the article pages, I suggest that you replace:
<noinclude> <!-- Top of article --> ...before... {{postcode area table start}} </noinclude> <!-- Top of table --> |- ! AB10 | ABERDEEN ...etc... | Moray <noinclude> <!-- Bottom of table --> |} ...after... </noinclude> <!-- Bottom of article -->
- with:
...before... {{postcode area table start}} <onlyinclude> |- ! AB10 | ABERDEEN ...etc... | Moray </onlyinclude> |} ...after...
- (Tentatively assuming that no linebreak issues arise with the onlyinclude tags being on lines of their own.)
- An example (using an old version of the postcode area article) is at User:Richardguk/AB postcode area which has its district list transcluded into User:Richardguk/Postcode areas transcluded (along with lists for all other areas). Loading this latter page should give an idea of the server and browser delays for a full set of transclusions. (I'm using IE8 which I know is notorious for slow rendering, but still valid as a likely-use scenario!)
- Incidentally, I notice that you experimented with sortable tables in
{{postcode area table start}}
. Perhaps it could takesortable
as an optional parameter to allow for experimentation. - — Richardguk (talk) 01:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I took out sortable because the sort for postcode districts didn't work. It sorted AL1, AL10, AL2. I think there are technical workarounds for this, but will need to be repeated 100+ for very little gain. That said, I have no moral objection to it being there if it worked. Good call on the simpler code. I hadn't realised it could be done that way and anything that produces less code is good, especially as the top and bottom of articles can be dumping grounds. Your existing list rendered acceptably quickly on Chrome on a currently average spec PC.
We essentially have two different lists. List of postcode districts in the United Kingdom is exactly what it says on the tin. What we could produce via transclusion is a list with coverage (albeit only sort/searchable via browser searching) so it could exist at an article title such List of coverage of postcode districts in the United Kingdom or List of settlements in the United Kingdom by postcode district. Or something more snappy. The point is, it is a complete list of UK settlements sorted by postcode district and this does not exist elsewhere. I have a feeling that once the list is made it will enable editors to notice postcode area articles that are lacking, identify good practice, and generally will cause improvement. MRSC (talk) 05:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- Great. You'll see in List of postcode districts in the United Kingdom how I use hidden text to make the postcode districts sortable, essentially padding single-letter areas and single-digit districts with zeroes (but note that
E1W
becomesE001W
notE01W
– so all the alpha-districts are expanded to 5 characters and all the ordinary districts are expanded to 4 if they do not already have 4 characters). For example:
!<span style="display:none">B001 </span>B1
- I think there's a template for this but that would increase the burden on the rendering servers. Note that the space is to reduce the likelihood of search engines interpreting the text as a single word "B001B1". I think you already acknowledged that rowspans would also need to be removed for sortable tables to work.
- Regarding the name, I like the way you're thinking; perhaps it might be helpful to insert the word "detailed", so people seeing links to both articles can deduce that the new one will be bigger. It certainly makes sense for you to continue to develop the prototype in your userspace and seek feedback until the transcluded list is working coherently there, and only then move it into article space with a name along the lines you've suggested. Then, if anyone were to propose a merger, there would be established articles for everyone to make a proper comparison.
- I might be able to produce a near-comprehensive list of local authority areas and postally localities which could be checked against the new transcluded list, although clearly the Coverage column is never likely to be standardised given the ambiguity of most non-statutory non-postal boundaries. In theory, Royal Mail "postally-required locality" would be a subset of the places listed under "Coverage" and a superset of post towns.
- I'll try to get round to tabulating this in my user space, perhaps with the list of sorting offices by postcode sector that I drew to your attention a couple of months ago.
- By the way, did you notice that someone has rewritten KA postcode area to give sector-level details? Could be progress to be encouraged, or could be a bad thing to be too detailed and non-standard, or maybe vive la différence! In any case, it seems to be a work in progress but the Post town and Coverage columns have needlessly been transposed.
- Is there an appropriate article or WP talk page we should move this discussion to? Not that postcoding seems to be a widely shared interest, but you never know.
- — Richardguk (talk) 02:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Replied at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about UK postal administration. When we're done we can use the project page to write up our guideline for these articles. MRSC (talk) 06:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Breaking template switch
Thank you for your message! I will immediately fix it. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 05:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
- Bug fixed. I run a script in order to find all affected pages and I found only 1 additional page affected. It was a well tested script, but not enough. I will avoid auto mode in templates. Your help was precious, thanks again. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 07:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
St. Helens:
Nice reply, thank you for the new Source. I have been trying to find something from the inbetween dates of 1800 and 1868 and you just hit the nail on the head. The 1848 places the onus straight on that Town Hall and the Council that existed within it. Cheers again.Koncorde (talk) 21:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP
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This Barnstar is awarded to Richard, thank you so much for your help. You are a real asset to the project! Keep up the wonderful work, and god bless. Adamtheclown (talk) 02:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC) |
RE: [2]
Wow! very well written and easy to understand, that must have taken sometime for you to write. thank you again...
It is so well written, I will add it as an example of how to use default on mediawiki. Adamtheclown (talk) 16:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)