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Howdy. I wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, but your bot appears to be editing quite fast. For example, at the 0257 time, there were 33 edits. The number does appear to fluctuate a bit minute to minute, but 33 edits seems a bit much. The bot policy shows 1 edit every ten seconds for non-urgent tasks. If I'm missing something, I apologize.--[[User:Rockfang|Rockfang]] ([[User talk:Rockfang|talk]]) 03:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC) |
Howdy. I wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, but your bot appears to be editing quite fast. For example, at the 0257 time, there were 33 edits. The number does appear to fluctuate a bit minute to minute, but 33 edits seems a bit much. The bot policy shows 1 edit every ten seconds for non-urgent tasks. If I'm missing something, I apologize.--[[User:Rockfang|Rockfang]] ([[User talk:Rockfang|talk]]) 03:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC) |
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:Yes it is quite fast, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Helpful_Pixie_Bot&offset=20120510112838&limit=50&target=Helpful+Pixie+Bot typically] around 12 edits per minute (though it was much slower for a few hours). The reason I'm going fast is that there are four years of backlog of ISBN cleaning to do, and possibly a limited time to get it all done (so there is some urgency). The reasons that I'm not too concerned even when the speed peaks are based on experience: 1) many accounts have edited much faster with no ill effect 2) PixieBot respects maxlag 3) I have monitored [http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/?r=day&cs=&ce=&m=&s=descending&c=&tab=m&vn=] as many of the server parameters as I can, and while I see interesting anomalous events, these have never tied into pattens in bot activity, even when it hs been much higher 4) respect for the database designers suggests that a dated consumer desktop on a domestic Internet connection is unlikely to be able to have a significant accidental impact on a 6278 CPU system. Thanks for the bug report. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>12:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC).</small><br /> |
:Yes it is quite fast, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Helpful_Pixie_Bot&offset=20120510112838&limit=50&target=Helpful+Pixie+Bot typically] around 12 edits per minute (though it was much slower for a few hours). The reason I'm going fast is that there are four years of backlog of ISBN cleaning to do, and possibly a limited time to get it all done (so there is some urgency). The reasons that I'm not too concerned even when the speed peaks are based on experience: 1) many accounts have edited much faster with no ill effect 2) PixieBot respects maxlag 3) I have monitored [http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/?r=day&cs=&ce=&m=&s=descending&c=&tab=m&vn=] as many of the server parameters as I can, and while I see interesting anomalous events, these have never tied into pattens in bot activity, even when it hs been much higher 4) respect for the database designers suggests that a dated consumer desktop on a domestic Internet connection is unlikely to be able to have a significant accidental impact on a 6278 CPU system. Thanks for the bug report. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>12:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC).</small><br /> |
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These redirects are incorrect (the part between the @signs is the problem, probably). Furthermore, a minor problem with as far as I have checked ''all'' the redirects you created is that the section element of it (the part after the "<nowiki>#</nowiki>") doesn't work, because the page doesn't have sections but is composed from transcluded subpages (which I tried to get rid off but which was rejected by you...). [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 13:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC) |
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So that helpful bot...
Rich, you mentioned a couple weeks ago that it might be possible to bot-tag a series of articles, yes? Say, for example, the swimming event pages for Swimming at the 1996 Summer Olympics (i.e. men's 50 free, women's 50 free, men's 100 free... women's 4x100 Medley Relay): all 32 event pages are missing the preliminary results for those that made it back for finals. Each page has a "Non-Qualifiers" section, that could/should have an expand list tag inserted (and maybe even a note about the finalist prelims times are missing?). Is that something a bot could do? -- Hooperswim (talk) 02:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, once I overcome the "little local difficulty" of an Arbcom case and a month's block.... Rich Farmbrough, 03:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC).
- Cool, cool. Thanks. -- Hooperswim (talk) 15:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
How many categories are there?
(Not including redirects). The Transhumanist 11:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- A lot! It depends partly on whether you include empty categories and red-linked categories. There are approximately 15,419 soft redirected categories. I'll have a look at the stats by namespace later. Rich Farmbrough, 17:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC).
- Unfortunately we don't have a dump for all page titles, only all main-space titles which currently runs at about 9.3 million. Rich Farmbrough, 11:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC).
- Unfortunately we don't have a dump for all page titles, only all main-space titles which currently runs at about 9.3 million. Rich Farmbrough, 11:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC).
Link to diffs from dates on clean-up tags
Would it be possible to link the date to a diff showing the edit that tagged an article. Something like This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: See talk page. Please help improve this article if you can. The talk page may contain suggestions. (2007) As far as I can tell Helpful Pixie Bot (talk · contribs) adds the dates to these tags, so I was hoping it could link to the diffs at the same time. There was a discussion started at the clean-up tag talk page about doing this for that tag, but it could possible be useful on all all the tags in Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. As you run Pixiebot I was hoping you would have some ideas on how this could be implimented (it would be good if it could be added to old tags as well as new ones, but even just new tags would be a start) and steps needed to achieve it. AIRcorn (talk) 04:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yes it would be possible. Generally it is the edit before HPB or another bot dates the tag. Rich Farmbrough, 16:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC).
- Thanks. I put a note at WP:Bot requests#Link to a diff when clean-up tags are applied to try and get the ball rolling. AIRcorn (talk) 08:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Crushing a statistical shibboleth
While "The Rise of Warnings to New Editors on English Wikipedia" caused consternation back in May 2011 - "40% of all initial edits to new user talk pages in our sample were negative templates" - but the previous research blog "How much do new editors actually improve Wikipedia?" showed that over 40% (42.6%) of first edits were either vandalism (about 25%) or unacceptably low quality. The level of warning therefore, seems pretty much on the nail. Why was this not picked up in the blog? I suspect it is because the "take out" from the previous research was
The key thing to note in comparing the two samples is that the percent of acceptable edits made by newbies did not dramatically decrease from 2004 to 2011.
This is a strange item to identify as key, since the changes are far more important than what remained the same. The percent of excellent edits fell roughly from 25% to 10%, while vandalism rose from a couple of percent to about a quarter of all new user edits.
Given this analysis, we need to look harder for the reasons for lower new editor retention, and certainly not assume that there is good evidence that templating is the cause, at least at present. Rich Farmbrough, 03:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC).
Request
Hi I was wondering if you could code something to copy the lists of municipalities and communes into the articles by Provinces of Morocco from Italian wikipedia like this. Basically its the same format, same source, but just copying the lists?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm looks doable. Did you notice there are four Morrocan flags on that stub? (BTW I am currently sorta-blocked and at arbitration, so I will not be able to implement until the block expires on the 31st, unless I get an unblock earlier.) Rich Farmbrough, 22:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC).
- BTW if you want to do that later, you should check out the charts I already made at User:Calliopejen1/WIP/Morocco communes on the doctor's behalf, which is pretty duplicative. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi I created this as I believed we needed a template like Bare URLs to encourage editors to add full citations not to just the websites. Can you improve this properly and sort out the documentation and take care of adding it to some articles where the refs need filling out like Alogia (band)? I'm thinking of organizing a bot to add this tag to all articles on wikipedia which needs refs filling out properly as in browsing it makes a big difference if sources are adequately filled out with details consistently.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:58, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Well??♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Template looks fine. I think the bot should have a go at filling the detritus out, several successful bots have done just that. It's somehting I am interested in, but since I am about to be blocked, banned, de-botted and de-sysopped, I am not likely to be doing it. Rich Farmbrough, 17:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
230 page moves
Please have a look at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#duc to Duke. There are about 230 page moves that have to be reversed. Is there a way to [semi]automate page moves? -- PBS (talk:ye4s) 17:28, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yes it can be simplified,
into a three/four click processusing a browser, or a script could be used. Rich Farmbrough, 19:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC).
Astrobots
If I may; one question for you about the articles slated for redirection to List of minor planets:
Speaking totally theoretically now, let's take no action yet, would it be possible to somehow swipe the infoboxes from all those articles, and then somehow store the infoboxes into List of minor planets, and how difficult or complicated would that be?
I ask because have a hunch if we did that, it would help to overcome resistence to Helpful Pixie Bot 50.
So whaddaya think? Would it entail a long and tendious overhaul of the entire List of minor planetsto get it ready to accept the infobox information? Chrisrus (talk) 04:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well I have been thinking about that, since it's a shame to loose information. The only complicating factor is that the LOMPs would then have more data, and we would have to be careful of their size. Rich Farmbrough, 04:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC).
- (Of course I would prefer to see each stub made into an article, but the worry is that at some point they will just get swept away, as is being tried with some of my skeleton articles, where there is known information to fill them). Rich Farmbrough, 04:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC).
- I'm not sure I understood what you said about the only complicating factor, but I think you are saying it would make LOMP too big, somehow, and that's bad for some reason. All I care about, and if I may just at this point use a visual aid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw, that these be dealt with individually in someway other than an article for each. It's three minutes long, that video, so if you'd rather please skip to the middle where we start using new automated searches, and then to the two-thirds point or so, and then to the end, which was more that two years ago, so keep in mind how many more they may have found since. There is no way very many of these (though some can, will, and do) have articles without calling into question certain fundemental principles of Wikipedia, not to mention what such articles would even say, other than just that each was detected moving in a certain way, because there's nothing to say about most of them. There is no end to them, because there is no low end to their size. The only limit to their numbers on Wikipedia is the maximum sensitivity of our instruments in the future, or limits of the human ability to care about finding more, whichever maxes out first. We must limit article status to only those with notablity as per WP:NASTRO.
- Anyway, back to my main point, although they mustn't have articles, they may be dealt with on lists or charts, and if my idea doesn't work, then perhaps you or another has some idea what, if anything, to do with all those infoboxes. Chrisrus (talk) 05:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Wikibook? 64.160.39.217 (talk) 05:41, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- That's a good idea. But I don't understand exactly something you said about the LOMP. Why do we have to be careful about "their" size? Did you mean "its" size, i.e.: LOMP? The way it's done, you can't open up the whole list at once, you open a subsection of a much, much smaller size.
- But about the Wikibook idea, I don't see any reason you shouldn't go ahead and store them there if that's what you want to do. It could be at least a place to store the infoboxes and then later place them into LOMP or whatever, so I like that idea. My eye is on getting those articles converted to redirects, so if creating an asteroid infobox storage book if it's easy to do or otherwise the best way to get that done then I'm ok with that and don't understand how anyone could object to taking that step at this point again if that's what you'd like to do, as far as I'm concerned I encourage it.
- But just one more time about LOMP, why is it important that it not be too big? It's not as if the user opens the entire document. Would it be lighter to make a bunch of collumns for each fact in the infobox? Then you'd lose the infox formatting making it lighter. I'd imagine.
- Before signing off, I just want to remind everyone that this is going WAY over and above what WP:NASTRO or even WP:GNG say we should have to do. There is no reason we have to save these infoboxes, we have full authority to convert them all into redirects without saving the infoboxes. We're just being extra nice and careful, but if it turns out that this isn't worth doing it shouldn't block the redirection bot going ahead because the referents of these articles are clearly not notable enough for Wikipedia. Chrisrus (talk) 16:58, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Absolutely, we can get the data from JPL or a number of other sources. I do have a slightly long term view that each of the significant sized hunks of rock will be notable, indeed very important, as we start to get serious in space in the next few decades. But for now they probably need to be listified, as planned. A careful approach might make later de-listifying easier. For example the data can be stored in templates which can be re-purposed for a short article or a list entry.
- The LOMP parts are still fairly large and the size selection is based on the amount of data for each item. But no biggy.
- The Wikibooks suggestion is an IP, not me editing logged out. Rich Farmbrough, 17:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC).
- Wikibook? 64.160.39.217 (talk) 05:41, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- (Of course I would prefer to see each stub made into an article, but the worry is that at some point they will just get swept away, as is being tried with some of my skeleton articles, where there is known information to fill them). Rich Farmbrough, 04:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC).
- Rich was just indicating that he thought you interpreted the wikibooks suggestion as coming from him while logged out. It actually came from me (an unregistered user who is not Rich). The LOMP entries without the stuff from the infoboxes (orbital elements etc). look pretty useless to me. If the infoboxes were produced from JPL data, then maybe a wikibook that's an expanded version of LOMP could be made the same way. 64.160.39.217 (talk) 03:43, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you. I understand better now..
- Question for the both of you, is there a way to store orbit infobox data off articles such as 4445 Jimstratton so it would be more useful to futurebots to make graphic interfaces, like maybe like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw but could project future orbits and be interactive and such? Because you seem to be saying that JPL is exactly that database now, and I don't know anything about bots so I don't know if putting the orbits into a Wikidatabase is at worth doing; at all improving furturebot access to this orbit information, given that JPL exists already, but maybe with your backgrounds, you might know something I don't about how doing this would be helpful to such futurebots. It seems they would surely just prefer to use the JPL than our database but maybe you know of a way to store it so they can later be assembled and stored in mass more easily or in some superior way than JPL does it now.
- Also, how many in the category "Minor planet" even have orbitboxes? I had to poke around quite a bit just now to find one that had an orbitbox. Chrisrus (talk) 04:09, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Request for comment
Yobot is blocked again. Check User_talk:Yobot#Blocked. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
HPB
Just a heads up: HPB has been blocked by Elen of the Roads (Special:Log/Elen_of_the_Roads). --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hm. What would you call an admin who blocks someone she's in an ArbCom with? A rogue admin? So would I. Rich Farmbrough, 14:51, 1 May 2012 (UTC).
- Indeed, so would I. But I just temporarily stopped your bot, in the hopes that you might avoid trying to cram your third foot in your mouth - I assume that the bot does so much stuff that it's hard to keep track of the items it doesn't actually have approval for. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Anyway, I have unblocked it. It is up to you what you do with it. Elen of the Roads (talk) 19:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed, so would I. But I just temporarily stopped your bot, in the hopes that you might avoid trying to cram your third foot in your mouth - I assume that the bot does so much stuff that it's hard to keep track of the items it doesn't actually have approval for. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- There's something of an apology here, and as noted she's unblocked the bot. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the updates. I would have been totally ignorant of the block. Rich Farmbrough, 08:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC).
Now that you are back, here's an invitation...
I would feel honored if you joined the Perl WikiProject. The Transhumanist 22:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you. Rich Farmbrough, 04:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC).
Favour
Hi Rich. I hope you remember me... ;) Would you please take a look at the question I filed at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:As of and let me know whether there's anything preventing a merge of these two templates? Kind regards, Osiris (talk) 12:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- Done Rich Farmbrough, 13:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC).
Thanks. I don't think that thread is likely to garner any other responses. Would you do the honours? I'm not sure whether you'd like to sort to both categories or just the one {{when}}
generates. Osiris (talk) 06:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Status update: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Helpful Pixie Bot 48
Template: A user has requested the attention of a member of the Bot Approvals Group. Once assistance has been rendered, please deactivate this tag by replacing it with {{t|BAG assistance needed}}
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Edits by:
- Kumioko at 15:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC).
Last edit by BAGGER was by Hellknowz at 11:16, 31 March 2012 (UTC).
Last edit by me at 02:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC).
Last edit by anyone was by Kumioko at 15:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC).
Bottom edit was by Kumioko at 15:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC).
Femto Bot, (possibly the smallest bot in the world) 16:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Teahouse
Hi Rich! Thanks so much for participating in the Teahouse - it's always great when experienced editors come by and help out. I encourage you to consider being an "official" (for lack of a better word!) Teahouse host! If you'd like to learn more about that, and the basics about how the Teahouse is proceeding during this pilot period, then I encourage you to take a look at this page! It has tips and can inform interested participants seeking to help new (and experienced!) editors on how the Teahouse works differently than other help places on Wikipedia. Thanks Rich, and see you at the Teahouse :) Sarah (talk) 14:59, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Template question
Could you look at template:Monthly clean up category as used inc categories like Category:Articles needing cleanup from February 2008, please? It is displaying oddly and seems to be adding a redlink category at the bottom. Is it just that an update hasn't taken affect yet due to a backed up queue? RJFJR (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed - I self reverted and went back too far. Thanks for letting me know. Rich Farmbrough, 12:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
Arbitration Committee
I feel that I should inform you that it looks like you will be facing a one year minimum ban, administrator rights revoked for a minimum of one year, and indefinitely restricted from using any automation tool including assistance scripts and bots.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:25, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- You have to be kidding. Rich Farmbrough, 20:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
- Not according to ArbCom. I don't see you around that often so I don't know you well enough to judge you. As a result, I'm neutral about this and Wish you the best.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well thanks for the wishes. Rich Farmbrough, 20:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
- ArbCom hasn't fully voted yet on this but it may interest you to look at this.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. Does seem rather one sided and extreme. Even the guy who brought the case said de-sysopping was "too harsh". Rich Farmbrough, 21:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
- The rest of the community has yet to decide so hope for the best. At this point it can still be overturned.—cyberpower ChatOnline 21:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Fortunately I am an optimist, so I can deal with things that might happen. Unfortunately I'm also a chronic depressive, so I'm not so good with things that will definitely happen or have happened. Rich Farmbrough, 21:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
- Fortunately I am an optimist, so I can deal with things that might happen. Unfortunately I'm also a chronic depressive, so I'm not so good with things that will definitely happen or have happened. Rich Farmbrough, 21:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
- Where did I say that desysopping would be too harsh? That was the main reason I requested the case. I may have said a ban was unnecessary, although I can understand why it's been proposed. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- I beg your pardon, I obviously thought too well of you. You only said that banning would be too harsh - that was probably in the withdrawn section of the workshop. I find it curious that, when the case was ostensibly brought for creation of categories you would even consider desysopping relevant. Perhaps you could explain that. Rich Farmbrough, 03:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- I've explained my reasons for this elsewhere, but the reasons for wanting you desysopped were twofold - first, because your persistent violation of your restrictions and conduct were unbecoming of being an administrator, and second, because removing your admin rights would at least hamper your efforts to use AWB, preventing you from continuing to cause problems. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:40, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hm, conduct unbecoming - I've seen worse from all concerned. And the AWB thing is crazy. If BAG or ArbCom asked the AWB devs would code a special exception to exclude me. Rich Farmbrough, 03:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Hm, conduct unbecoming - I've seen worse from all concerned. And the AWB thing is crazy. If BAG or ArbCom asked the AWB devs would code a special exception to exclude me. Rich Farmbrough, 03:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- I've explained my reasons for this elsewhere, but the reasons for wanting you desysopped were twofold - first, because your persistent violation of your restrictions and conduct were unbecoming of being an administrator, and second, because removing your admin rights would at least hamper your efforts to use AWB, preventing you from continuing to cause problems. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:40, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- I beg your pardon, I obviously thought too well of you. You only said that banning would be too harsh - that was probably in the withdrawn section of the workshop. I find it curious that, when the case was ostensibly brought for creation of categories you would even consider desysopping relevant. Perhaps you could explain that. Rich Farmbrough, 03:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- The rest of the community has yet to decide so hope for the best. At this point it can still be overturned.—cyberpower ChatOnline 21:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. Does seem rather one sided and extreme. Even the guy who brought the case said de-sysopping was "too harsh". Rich Farmbrough, 21:52, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
- ArbCom hasn't fully voted yet on this but it may interest you to look at this.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well thanks for the wishes. Rich Farmbrough, 20:55, 5 May 2012 (UTC).
- Not according to ArbCom. I don't see you around that often so I don't know you well enough to judge you. As a result, I'm neutral about this and Wish you the best.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- (Rich, there's a pattern. Please, please, try to break the cycle. —Sladen (talk) 09:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC))
Looks like you're losing your adminstrator privileges and rights to automation so, enjoy them while you still got them. You are also 2 votes away from being banned for a minimum of one year. At this point I would get ready to expect the worst to come and already start doing necessary before leaving Wikipedia in my honest opinion.—cyberpower ChatOnline 19:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- It has been brought to my attention that the comment above may come across as heartless. I just want to let you know that I feel what you are going through. If you need me, you know where to find me.—cyberpower ChatOnline 21:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hey, no I took it in the spirit it was meant. Rich Farmbrough, 21:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Hey, no I took it in the spirit it was meant. Rich Farmbrough, 21:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
FYI
I just noticed that a user who complained about your bot has not bothered to notify you about it (see WP:BON). It seems that the ISBN fixing code may be editing at an excessively high rate, so could that perhaps be slowed down to once every 5-10 seconds? Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:56, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks I noticed. It's operating more slowly now. Rich Farmbrough, 01:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
language templates
Hi Rich,
Are you still willing to bot the language templates? I've removed the request for a ref section, which was the sticking point.
Hope things go well with ArbCom. — kwami (talk) 02:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes I'd be happy to. Unfortunately ArbCom looks pretty grim right now. Rich Farmbrough, 02:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Kwamikagami, may I ask you to reflect that to the ArbCom? --Dirk Beetstra T C 03:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- There are the respective talkpages (e.g. Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich Farmbrough/Proposed decision), and the Workshop is technically still open. --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Category:Pages with missing references list
It looks like Helpful Pixie Bot has not run Category:Pages with missing references list in quite a while. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes that's true. I'll try and schedule a run before I get banned from running bots. Rich Farmbrough, 14:14, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Done. Rich Farmbrough, 16:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Done. Rich Farmbrough, 16:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Thanks! ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Teahouse talkbacks
Hey Rich! Thanks for helping out at the Teahouse. Just an FYI, we created a lovely little talkback template that is Teahouse specific. You can find a link to it here. It's pretty valuable when letting folks know that you answered their question, since not everyone watches the Teahouse question page. Thanks again for all your contributions - Teahouse and beyond! Sarah (talk) 19:40, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, nice template. I made some suggestions on the templates talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 20:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
WikiProject rename Help!
Help Rich! We have a consensus to rename WikiProject Thoroughbred racing to Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing. However, moving and renaming everything is getting complicated, especially the template that is on 1000s of articles. Froggerlaura did the basics and then I took a shot at some of the technical stuff, but may have screwed up everything, so could you be so kind as o help us all out and make everything that now is part of the TB racing into just "horse racing" instead? Help! (talk on project talk page) Montanabw(talk) 20:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help, have one more question about un-redlinking some additional stuff. Montanabw(talk) 23:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well, nothing like going in and screwing up everything to get proper attention! Yipes! I will keep this in mind next time, though. Hope no one gave you any blowback. Montanabw(talk) 02:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Actually it seemed a pretty good start to the process. And no "blowback" apart form one sarky edit summary. Rich Farmbrough, 02:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Actually it seemed a pretty good start to the process. And no "blowback" apart form one sarky edit summary. Rich Farmbrough, 02:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Well, nothing like going in and screwing up everything to get proper attention! Yipes! I will keep this in mind next time, though. Hope no one gave you any blowback. Montanabw(talk) 02:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
FYI, Missed an isbn. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:40, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- And it's one of my favourite articles! Rich Farmbrough, 22:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Thank you. I worked my arse off on it, and its good that somebody else is entranced by the subject as I. It is (I think) the kind of article on an obscure subject that doesn't exist in other encyclopaedias, and makes Wikipedia particularly useful. But I have an WP:COI, and my objectivity is unquestionably compromised at this point. So my opinion is discounted, if not entirely worthless (as I now know more about this subject than all but a select few).
- FYI, I was just admonished by User:LadyofShalott, as apparently on at least 2 articles I summoned your help where you had recently been. I apologize for the imposition on your resources. It was an unintentional human error and I will try to be more attentive in the future. Thanks for all of your help. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Helpful Pixie Bot bug
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Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
ISBN hyphentation
Example(s)
Explanation
Skips one ISBN
Resolution
Fixed in build 644.
Rich Farmbrough, 22:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
Automation
Is every post you make partially automated? If so, how? Are you perhaps an artificially intelligent robot? ;)—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- I have a bundle of Javascript going on. Not to mention the edit filters, post save transforms, spelling checkers, etc. Rich Farmbrough, 23:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Can you show me?—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:14, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- User:Rich_Farmbrough/monobook.js is the javascript. The edit filters and post save transforms are built into WikiMedia. Spell checkers are browser embedded client side, of course. If you want to get fancy you can use Scriptish but I have only played with that. Rich Farmbrough, 23:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Jesus!!! Did you write all of that?—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- The bit that does units is borrowed from User:Lightmouse, and the original skeleton was from somewhere else, but most of the rest, yes. Rich Farmbrough, 23:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- So let me get this straight. You hit the save button when performing an edit and it goes through all of that first?—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Not all of it. Most of it is triggered by extra tabs on the edited page. Even the function described as "always" doesn't happen outside article space. Oh there's also a whole chunk to deal with closing AfDs, that's borrowed too. Rich Farmbrough, 23:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- There's so much code that I don't think I'm going to be able to grasp what does what. I think I'm going to go to bed now.—cyberpower ChatOffline 00:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Not all of it. Most of it is triggered by extra tabs on the edited page. Even the function described as "always" doesn't happen outside article space. Oh there's also a whole chunk to deal with closing AfDs, that's borrowed too. Rich Farmbrough, 23:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- So let me get this straight. You hit the save button when performing an edit and it goes through all of that first?—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- The bit that does units is borrowed from User:Lightmouse, and the original skeleton was from somewhere else, but most of the rest, yes. Rich Farmbrough, 23:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Jesus!!! Did you write all of that?—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- User:Rich_Farmbrough/monobook.js is the javascript. The edit filters and post save transforms are built into WikiMedia. Spell checkers are browser embedded client side, of course. If you want to get fancy you can use Scriptish but I have only played with that. Rich Farmbrough, 23:18, 6 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Can you show me?—cyberpower ChatOnline 23:14, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Me too! (To both statements!) Rich Farmbrough, 00:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- Me too! (To both statements!) Rich Farmbrough, 00:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
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Hi Rich. When HelpfulPixieBot is adding {{Please check ISBN}} templates, I think the template needs to added outside the {{Cite book}} template, to avoid corrupting the display of the ISBN, as occurred here (look at the second book listed in the References section). Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 02:20, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, that may be a good idea, although it makes parseing much harder (I have to avoid adding another template if I edit the article again). OTOH I'm thinking about the way the cite template does it (and have been for some time) and I'm not sure that's the best. If you look at Nye and Alan, which use the old syntax "id = ISBN 0-905138-37-6" the ISBN is linked in one hit, as per the rest of WP. Where we have transitioned to the ISBN = 0-905138-37-6 we get two linked entities. Given that cite templates are the friction in the wheels of WP rendering, the simpler method may be better. I'll raise a bug, anyway, unless someone else wants to do it? Rich Farmbrough, 03:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- OK plan is to separate the template with a | nd maybe a dummy parameter name. Rich Farmbrough, 16:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
- OK plan is to separate the template with a | nd maybe a dummy parameter name. Rich Farmbrough, 16:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
Rich, I have repeatedly googled the Gozdak book and keep coming up with the isbn 0738507972. This is the number that is in the article, and which pixiebot thinks is wrong. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 03:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK I used the ISBN Amazon gave. Rich Farmbrough, 04:00, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
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Helpful Pixie Bot bug
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Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
ISBNs (Build J9)
Example(s)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loratadine&diff=next&oldid=481941483
- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Insulin_glulisine&diff=490877261&oldid=488506409
Explanation
Adding {{Please check ISBN}} inside a {{cite book}} seems to break the latter – see refs 4 and 5 in the first of the example links. And there's a typo in the output, "deos" instead of "does". BTW, the ISBN the bot flagged is actually in the book. What should be done in such cases? --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 06:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for logging a bug.
- Looking into the best solution.
- The typo is corrected a few builds back.
- Amazon gives 3-85200-183-8 although being 2007 and later the 13 digit number 978-3-85200-183-8 should be used.
- Rich Farmbrough, 07:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- OK I had a think and maybe ISBN 3-85200-181-1 / ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4 volume 1 (A-C) and ISBN 3-85200-183-8 / ISBN 978-3-85200-183-8 is the complete work or vice versa. I'm guessing that ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4 got converted to the invalid ISBN 3-85200-181-4 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum somewhere along the line. So I'm going to put ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4. Do, of course, change it if I'm wrong. Rich Farmbrough, 08:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- I suppose ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4 is correct; the 183 number is the Stoffliste = "List of substances", an index to accompany the Austria-Codex. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 08:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I thought that was a subtitle for the whole work. Good, all cleared up then. Rich Farmbrough, 08:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- I am also fixing the remaining mis-spellings. I have to do this slowly, though. Rich Farmbrough, 09:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- Fixed Rich Farmbrough, 10:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- Thanks for the help :-) ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed Rich Farmbrough, 10:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- I am also fixing the remaining mis-spellings. I have to do this slowly, though. Rich Farmbrough, 09:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- Ah, I see. I thought that was a subtitle for the whole work. Good, all cleared up then. Rich Farmbrough, 08:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- I suppose ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4 is correct; the 183 number is the Stoffliste = "List of substances", an index to accompany the Austria-Codex. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 08:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK I had a think and maybe ISBN 3-85200-181-1 / ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4 volume 1 (A-C) and ISBN 3-85200-183-8 / ISBN 978-3-85200-183-8 is the complete work or vice versa. I'm guessing that ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4 got converted to the invalid ISBN 3-85200-181-4 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum somewhere along the line. So I'm going to put ISBN 978-3-85200-181-4. Do, of course, change it if I'm wrong. Rich Farmbrough, 08:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
Bug closed since I am "automation banned". Rich Farmbrough, 15:25, 16 May 2012 (UTC).
"Correct typo" includes a minor typo
You are changing "deos" to "does " instead of to "does", as far as I can see. Not really a major issue of course... Fram (talk) 09:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Fixed Rich Farmbrough, 10:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
Commons cat
Edits like [1] (and the similar ones you have made today) are technically a violation of your editing restriction (they don't change anything in the output of the page, nor in how it works) and are very unlikely to ever make a difference (e.g. in this case only if the page Ford Mustang would be moved would it possibly make any difference). If you take the trouble of explicitly changing this, wouldn't it be more useful to put the actual destination in, instead of a redirect like here? Fram (talk) 12:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Actually it does the same as this edit: it takes away a maintenance category. I do agree that it would be good if the mechanism would check whether the Commons Category is a redirect. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- It does indeed (thanks, I hadn't noticed it), but the difference is of course that that "maintenance category" was created yesterday by Rich Farmbrough... Do we really need new maintenance categories for things that in reality don't need maintenance? It was "discussed" less than a day, i.e. one edit made to the talk page of the template, no response, and implemented in the fully protected template, creating a maintenance cat with over 50,000 pages... Seems like serious overkill and a rather hasty implementation to me. Fram (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction of your initial post. It does indeed change the situation quite a bit - it does make sense on one side, but on the other side .. Maybe more discussion is needed at the template talkpage. --Dirk Beetstra T C 14:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- It does indeed (thanks, I hadn't noticed it), but the difference is of course that that "maintenance category" was created yesterday by Rich Farmbrough... Do we really need new maintenance categories for things that in reality don't need maintenance? It was "discussed" less than a day, i.e. one edit made to the talk page of the template, no response, and implemented in the fully protected template, creating a maintenance cat with over 50,000 pages... Seems like serious overkill and a rather hasty implementation to me. Fram (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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ISBNs starting with a zero
Helpful Pixie Bot bug
Bug number: 104 System: Helpful Pixie Bot Component: Blocks: Blocked by:
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Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
(ISBNs (Build KE))
Example(s)
Matthew Hopkins in popular cultureas well as Mathew Hopkins are two examples.
Explanation
it queries the zero at the start if the isbn but [2] shows that it does start with a zero - 0 - Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 16:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks logging a bug. The check digit is the last digit, that should be 5. Someone copied the last 10 digits of the 13 digit ISBN, which doesn't give the right check digit. Rich Farmbrough, 16:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
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Femto Bot, (possibly the smallest bot in the world) 16:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Helpful Pixie Bot bug
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Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
Checking for invalid ISBNs.
Example(s)
An example is the last edit in this bunch.
Explanation
This is only a minor bug, but the bot destroyed the existing hyphernation in the ISBN. That is to say, it replaced "|isbn=978-0-670-02053" with "|isbn=978067002053". The problem with this particular ISBN (now fixed) was a missing check digit. The hyphenation information was therefore good, and it would have been better had the bot preserved it. I appreciate that another task of the bot is to add hyphenation so that, eventually, this loss will be corrected. This is why the bug is only a minor bug. HairyWombat 17:17, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hm, good point. There might indeed be clues to help the ISBN detectives. I'll look at this one when I get back tonight. Rich Farmbrough, 17:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
Bug
Helpful Pixie Bot bug
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Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
Example(s)
Explanation
You're placing a template to check the ISBN number ... inside a template which is not going to show the template at all. See the output. This is the third time this bot has done this... needs fixing. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:25, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
And another here ... Ealdgyth - Talk 18:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I hope to resolve this one later today (about 8 hours). Will update then. Rich Farmbrough, 01:47, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
- Here's another for your pile to fix diff. Doesn't look like it happens that often, thankfully. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Done Seems like people "converting" from 13 to 10 is the new most common problem. Rich Farmbrough, 21:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
- Done Seems like people "converting" from 13 to 10 is the new most common problem. Rich Farmbrough, 21:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
- Here's another for your pile to fix diff. Doesn't look like it happens that often, thankfully. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
ISBNs
How does HelpfulPixieBot know how to parse ISBNs? -- Evertype·✆ 19:52, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know how the bot does it, but see [3] and [4] for some possible answers. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- It has a full set of (slightly optimised) hyphenation tables, if that's what you mean. It knows the checksum algorithms, and the un-assigned ranges. It is smart to 10 and 13 digits, and to most ways of laying them out. It could be smarter, for example, converting 10 digit post 2007 to 13 digit, doing lookups to check against titles, publisher, language and so forth. Rich Farmbrough, 23:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC).
- As far as converting 10 to 13 goes, given that many sites still don't deal with ISBN-13 very well (I don't know why), especially when both are present on a book, I've generally found it far better to stick with ISBN-10 so that links to external book sites continue to work properly. --Tothwolf (talk) 10:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Some books now have only 13 digit (979-) numbers. It was interesting when we fixed everything up for the switch over to see how slow major sites were in switching. Most have both systems now, because the software suppliers have caught up, and it is central to their business. I'd be interested to know which sites are still behind. Rich Farmbrough, 11:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC).
- Some books now have only 13 digit (979-) numbers. It was interesting when we fixed everything up for the switch over to see how slow major sites were in switching. Most have both systems now, because the software suppliers have caught up, and it is central to their business. I'd be interested to know which sites are still behind. Rich Farmbrough, 11:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC).
- As far as converting 10 to 13 goes, given that many sites still don't deal with ISBN-13 very well (I don't know why), especially when both are present on a book, I've generally found it far better to stick with ISBN-10 so that links to external book sites continue to work properly. --Tothwolf (talk) 10:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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I'm having a reference format problem. See the discography. If I try to put the label as publisher it is invisible. If I include it in title, it ends up in quotes (see first two examples) Can you tell me what my error is and how to correct? Cheers, --Beth Wellington (talk) 04:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing!--Beth Wellington (talk) 23:18, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
BTW, see the following from my Talk page where you were referenced--Beth Wellington (talk) 23:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Saw your note at User talk:Rich Farmbrough. I do not see any error. Have you spotted that the first two <ref>s are not in the Selected discography section? (If you wish to respond, please do so here.) HairyWombat 16:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- HairyWombat, You see no error because Rich Farmbrough has fixed that problem as well as some others. (Check the history of the article.) The first two references are not to the discography, but to the box and the intro...If you'd like to work on the discography or the rest of the article, let me know. Otherwise I'll work on the article a bit at a time after I get back from WV. Cheers, --Beth Wellington (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Rich
I notice you've put back the ISBN hyphens I've been leaving out, I didn't think it mattered but I'll start adding them now. Thanks, Keith-264 (talk) 08:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Great! Rich Farmbrough, 17:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
Hi, Don't forget that if you create an article like this which needs a disambiguation, you need to provide an access route via a dab page entry or a hatnote. I've done the hatnote while stub-sorting, but please do it yourself another time! Thanks. PamD 17:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, as ever, Pam. Rich Farmbrough, 17:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
Helpful Pixie Bot bug
Bug number: 107 System: Helpful Pixie Bot Component: hyphenation tables Blocks: Blocked by:
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Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
Checking for invalid ISBNs
Example(s)
Explanation
The ISBN here has been marked for checking, with the reason that it was invalidly hyphenated. The problem is that not only does the ISBN match the one given on the first three pages I checked from a Google search, but while two of them don't hyphenate the ISBN, the third one is on the publisher's website and does - giving precisely the hyphenation that Helpful Pixie Bot is querying.
This may, of course, not be a bug. Even Springer is presumably capable of not only wrongly hyphenating their own ISBNs, but then including them in the URL for the page for the book concerned - and one can't criticise an editor who assumes that a publisher would know how to hyphenate their own ISBNs. But it might be worth double-checking this one. PWilkinson (talk) 19:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, this is interesting. Springer are usually pretty good on detail like this, but the number itself is rather odd. The book is in English, and Springer usually dual-code their Lecture Notes in Mathematics and similar with an English (0- or 1-) and a German-area (3-) ISBN. ISBNs starting with 9.. are generally small language groups, the bot is saying that it does not know about numbers starting with 94007, they are not in its hyphenation tables, which probably means an error. The hyphenation tables are updated form time to time, but not for English or German. Rich Farmbrough, 19:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
- There may be a clue here "Language: English, German, Latin, Greek" Rich Farmbrough, 19:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
- Looks like 978-94 was assigned to the Netherlands. I'll update my tables. Rich Farmbrough, 19:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
- Looks like 978-94 was assigned to the Netherlands. I'll update my tables. Rich Farmbrough, 19:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
- There may be a clue here "Language: English, German, Latin, Greek" Rich Farmbrough, 19:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
Fixed A working nicely now, thanks for the notification. Rich Farmbrough, 19:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
ISBN error ignored
Hi, re this edit - there are two invalid ISBNs there, but only the first one was marked as invalid (ISBN 0-86095-050-5 should have been ISBN 0-86093-050-5). The second one, ISBN 090288-12-9, was one digit short (it should have been ISBN 0-90288-812-9) but Pixie didn't give it a {{Please check ISBN|reason=Invalid length.}}
. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. I need to check the code, but I suspect I am being cautious, since 9 digit numbers can possibly be SBNs. Rich Farmbrough, 21:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
Helpful Pixie Bot bug
Bug number: 108 System: templates Component: Wikipedia documentation Blocks: Blocked by:
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Changed "|3=date=May 2012" to "|3=date=May 2012|date=May 2012"
Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
Dated Expand section. (Build KF)
Example(s)
Explanation
The bot changed "|3=date=May 2012" to "|3=date=May 2012|date=May 2012". i.e it added a date when there was already one present. There are three valid date formats in the Template:Expand section documentation. I suspect that the bot does not yet know about the second date format.
I wonder what the article would look like in a few year's time. (:-)> Peter Loader (talk) 21:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the bug report. This is actually Jarry1250 messing up the documentation. Rich Farmbrough, 21:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC).
Helpful Pixie Bot bug
Bug number: 109 System: Helpful Pixie Bot Component: Blocks: Blocked by:
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Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with Helpful Pixie Bot:
Task
At the moment ISBN fixes.
Example(s)
The bot contribs page
Explanation
Howdy. I wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, but your bot appears to be editing quite fast. For example, at the 0257 time, there were 33 edits. The number does appear to fluctuate a bit minute to minute, but 33 edits seems a bit much. The bot policy shows 1 edit every ten seconds for non-urgent tasks. If I'm missing something, I apologize.--Rockfang (talk) 03:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Yes it is quite fast, typically around 12 edits per minute (though it was much slower for a few hours). The reason I'm going fast is that there are four years of backlog of ISBN cleaning to do, and possibly a limited time to get it all done (so there is some urgency). The reasons that I'm not too concerned even when the speed peaks are based on experience: 1) many accounts have edited much faster with no ill effect 2) PixieBot respects maxlag 3) I have monitored [5] as many of the server parameters as I can, and while I see interesting anomalous events, these have never tied into pattens in bot activity, even when it hs been much higher 4) respect for the database designers suggests that a dated consumer desktop on a domestic Internet connection is unlikely to be able to have a significant accidental impact on a 6278 CPU system. Thanks for the bug report. Rich Farmbrough, 12:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC).
Minor planet redirects
Editing bug or error
Bug number: System: human Component: Blocks: Blocked by:
Resolution: {{#switch:
|fixed= Fixed
|not a bug= Not a bug
|closed=Closed
|outdated=Outdated
||pending=pending
Hi! I noticed an apparent bug with one or some of your recent edits:
Example(s)
Explanation
These redirects are incorrect (the part between the @signs is the problem, probably). Furthermore, a minor problem with as far as I have checked all the redirects you created is that the section element of it (the part after the "#") doesn't work, because the page doesn't have sections but is composed from transcluded subpages (which I tried to get rid off but which was rejected by you...). Fram (talk) 13:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)