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:Hi Nishidani, I don't think the content was historic to be included in the "post war" section as it was recent from 2018 so moved it to the relevent in the section where the relevent topics are discussed. [[User:RevertBob|RevertBob]] ([[User talk:RevertBob#top|talk]]) 12:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC) |
:Hi Nishidani, I don't think the content was historic to be included in the "post war" section as it was recent from 2018 so moved it to the relevent in the section where the relevent topics are discussed. [[User:RevertBob|RevertBob]] ([[User talk:RevertBob#top|talk]]) 12:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::My view is that those three incidents are the core, the quintessence if you like, of the attack on Corbyn and his party. Something engendering such (to me wildly paranoid) claims, unheralded in Anglo-Jewish history over 360 years, with the collective endorsement of the 3 major Jewish UK newspapers and Sacks, constitutes a pivotal moment for this topic's history. It was recent, but much history is recent, and of historical importance because it was an unprecedented measure never taken in 350 years, as Sacks himself admits. Of course, you have every right to contest my reading of this. But its placing either in the lead or the historical section gives notice of a defining moment in (again to me absurd) Anglo-Jewish relations, since it is the first time that a whole Jewish Western community has, through its major newspapers and distinguished former chief rabbi, thrown its collective weight against a major national party in a Western democracy. Not something to be buried as a minor set of incidents regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Labour_Party#Criticism_of_revised_definition the criticisms of the working definition of antisemitism as revised]. It has no intrinsic connection to that highly nparticular debate but was far more broad. Regards [[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 12:41, 27 March 2019 (UTC) |
::My view is that those three incidents are the core, the quintessence if you like, of the attack on Corbyn and his party. Something engendering such (to me wildly paranoid) claims, unheralded in Anglo-Jewish history over 360 years, with the collective endorsement of the 3 major Jewish UK newspapers and Sacks, constitutes a pivotal moment for this topic's history. It was recent, but much history is recent, and of historical importance because it was an unprecedented measure never taken in 350 years, as Sacks himself admits. Of course, you have every right to contest my reading of this. But its placing either in the lead or the historical section gives notice of a defining moment in (again to me absurd) Anglo-Jewish relations, since it is the first time that a whole Jewish Western community has, through its major newspapers and distinguished former chief rabbi, thrown its collective weight against a major national party in a Western democracy. Not something to be buried as a minor set of incidents regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Labour_Party#Criticism_of_revised_definition the criticisms of the working definition of antisemitism as revised]. It has no intrinsic connection to that highly nparticular debate but was far more broad. Regards [[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 12:41, 27 March 2019 (UTC) |
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you put "Include - They're not "just comedians" but notable public figures whose views on the subject of antisemitism have been widely covered. RevertBob (talk) 15:05" ~ under RfC.3 Expert opinions section ~ e.g. Rich, Exclude Lipstadt and Hirsh instead of comedians. ~ BOD ~ TALK 16:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
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You said: "I think this is pretty straightforward. "Internationally recognised" is obviously a POV statement which can't be presented in the Wiki voice as fact, the page title should be used which allows readers to make up their own mind."
As far as I can see, I share your view that parts of this article related to antisemitism are horribly POV. So I didn't want to contradict you! But I think that "Internationally recognised" is a question of fact, not of viewpoint. The definition can only be said to be "internationally recognised" if you adopt the perverse view that "internationally" means "by more than one country".
I don't think we should give up the fact-based argument so easily, and abandon the field to those who want to argue based on viewpoints. Arguments based on fact are stronger.
Cheers, MrDemeanour (talk) 17:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
- I think I mean that no, it can't be presented in the Wiki voice as fact; but rather that the claim that it is internationally recognised should be denied in Wiki voice; it is a fact that it is not internationally recognised.
- HTH! MrDemeanour (talk) 17:26, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks but take it to the talk. RevertBob (talk) 08:01, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for getting in contact. I was in a bit of a rush this morning so I didn't have time to read your message and respond properly so sorry for being a bit short. I don't disagree with your points. I was trying arguing for the wording to be neutral. "International recognized" is a matter of opinion so I think it's better to use the name of the article and let the reader decide whether it is not from the article it directs to. RevertBob (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- A bit reluctant to bother you further, since you seem to be a busy chap. So I'll be brief.
- My point was that "internationally recognised" is not a matter of opinion; it is a matter of fact, and it is false. MrDemeanour (talk) 15:03, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Hello Ivanvector, the word revert had many meanings and the "Revert" in my name has absolutely nothing to do with editing behaviour, regards.
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You said you were 'sorry' to shift an ordered summary of the gravamen of three statements which contain the gist of the hullabaloo, from the historic background section and bury it down the page. Saying one is sorry explains zilch. Could you explain why that material was shifted down, at least here? Technically the dislocation of impeccable sourced relevant data must have a rationale based on some policy, and not be an expression of just personal disagreement.Nishidani (talk) 08:45, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Nishidani, I don't think the content was historic to be included in the "post war" section as it was recent from 2018 so moved it to the relevent in the section where the relevent topics are discussed. RevertBob (talk) 12:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- My view is that those three incidents are the core, the quintessence if you like, of the attack on Corbyn and his party. Something engendering such (to me wildly paranoid) claims, unheralded in Anglo-Jewish history over 360 years, with the collective endorsement of the 3 major Jewish UK newspapers and Sacks, constitutes a pivotal moment for this topic's history. It was recent, but much history is recent, and of historical importance because it was an unprecedented measure never taken in 350 years, as Sacks himself admits. Of course, you have every right to contest my reading of this. But its placing either in the lead or the historical section gives notice of a defining moment in (again to me absurd) Anglo-Jewish relations, since it is the first time that a whole Jewish Western community has, through its major newspapers and distinguished former chief rabbi, thrown its collective weight against a major national party in a Western democracy. Not something to be buried as a minor set of incidents regarding the criticisms of the working definition of antisemitism as revised. It has no intrinsic connection to that highly nparticular debate but was far more broad. Regards Nishidani (talk) 12:41, 27 March 2019 (UTC)