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:::Nothing so far with the McKhan SPI. And FPaS has said on his talk page he is stalking me, and has refused to stop. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 01:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC) |
:::Nothing so far with the McKhan SPI. And FPaS has said on his talk page he is stalking me, and has refused to stop. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 01:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC) |
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(out)McKhan got blocked for a month, I do not understand why he is not banned given his long term abuse of socks and personal attacks. A question, can I edit this article yet?[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_state_terrorism] Sal asked me to leave it for a week, which was about three weeks ago, as you know he is not well and has not been online. I want to make sure that my ass does not get blocked if I edit it. The article is full of self published sources, and apparently the Northern Alliance are terrorists, even though no source says they are :o) and spying is also terrorism according to that "article". Personally I think is ought to be deleted as the only actual content which belongs there is the usual accusations form Pakistan. However I would like to try and clean it up. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC) |
(out)McKhan got blocked for a month, I do not understand why he is not banned given his long term abuse of socks and personal attacks. A question, can I edit this article yet?[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_and_state_terrorism] Sal asked me to leave it for a week, which was about three weeks ago, as you know he is not well and has not been online. I want to make sure that my ass does not get blocked if I edit it. The article is full of self published sources, and apparently the Northern Alliance are terrorists, even though no source says they are :o) and spying is also terrorism according to that "article". Personally I think is ought to be deleted as the only actual content which belongs there is the usual accusations form Pakistan. However I would like to try and clean it up. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Sure. I don't see why not. I'll drop a note on Salvio's talk page letting him know. Looking at the article history, I'm going to suggest that (a) don't tag the article - that would be unnecessarily confrontational, and (b) go ahead and make your changes but make sure you explain your rationale on the talk page. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 14:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC) |
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Mar4d (talk) 03:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
East India company revival?
Hi, I've come here to ask about the reversal of my edit in East India Company - section - Revival. I've searched the talkpage archives unsuccesfully, could you please elaborate as to why both the companies aren't the same? All the sources I referred to suggested that its the same company name that has been bought, kind of a tricky situation, but i feel it needs mention somewhere on Wikipedia, as its a revival of something of historic significance to both India and UK, and yet many do not know about it. Thanks :) Écrivain (talk) 13:12, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hi. I can't follow up on this for another week or ten days - apologies for that. The matter has been discussed before and the conclusion was that the two companies are distinct and that the new company is nowhere near notable enough for a comment on the EIC page. I'll drop a note on Fowler's talk page pointing him to this discussion - he may want to comment - though, if I remember correctly, he's traveling as well. --regentspark (comment) 21:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) This issue is dealt with in the discussion threads: Talk:East_India_Company#Sanjive_Mehta and Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_44#East_India_Company. Seriously, though, would you expect The Company which constituted the administrative and military arms of the (two-armed) British empire in India from 1757 to 1857—a company under whose direction the railway, telegraph, major canals, the first British-style high schools, and the first universities in Bombay, Calcutta and Madras, were opened in India, and a company which to boot was legally abolished to pave the way for the direct British rule of India—to be miraculously replaced some 150 years later by a unheard of fine foods shop in London? When you have at least half a dozen academic sources, preferably published by Cambridge University Press or Oxford University Press, the gimlet eye of which would surely catch such a remarkable rebirth, you can come back and pose your question again. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Need your thoughts
Hello, I need your thoughts here. Thank you -- ɑηsuмaη ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ 16:05, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- Also his comments here are questionable. If DS got a one week block for just adding a cited fact, this deserves something, or maybe a lot more that that. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- Stop trying to inflame me.. my comment was statistical. And stop following me around like you did at the partition of India article after many other places including my first two DYK submissions. And I'll request ansumang to stop canvasing chosen editors and use RFC instead. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- 1. This is not canvassing. 2. One one is interested in following you. I you are so confident then stop crying "hounding" and take this to ANI. 3. Let RegentsPark reply. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- See WP:CANVASS. Asking editors to join in content disputes is canvassing. RFC is the proper way. And the user didn't even feel it was appropriate to discuss per BRD instead he reverted and later started posting on other editor's talkpages. I suggest you do not talk to me or about me and let it be among them as it would inflame things. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- If replying to my comments is that tough for you, request an IBAN. That is not a content dispute, rather a concern regarding a user's conduct. And no one is interested to cite an essay to make controversial reverts, and then cry hounding when someone reverts that. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- While the administrative issue may persist, the content dispute in Partition of India has been solved, as of now. TopGun and I agreed on a particular version of the sentence (following discussion in talk page of the article). I hope other involved editors will be ok with the version. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- If replying to my comments is that tough for you, request an IBAN. That is not a content dispute, rather a concern regarding a user's conduct. And no one is interested to cite an essay to make controversial reverts, and then cry hounding when someone reverts that. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- See WP:CANVASS. Asking editors to join in content disputes is canvassing. RFC is the proper way. And the user didn't even feel it was appropriate to discuss per BRD instead he reverted and later started posting on other editor's talkpages. I suggest you do not talk to me or about me and let it be among them as it would inflame things. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- 1. This is not canvassing. 2. One one is interested in following you. I you are so confident then stop crying "hounding" and take this to ANI. 3. Let RegentsPark reply. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- Stop trying to inflame me.. my comment was statistical. And stop following me around like you did at the partition of India article after many other places including my first two DYK submissions. And I'll request ansumang to stop canvasing chosen editors and use RFC instead. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi all. Apologies but I am traveling and had poor internet connectivity that I had to keep for RL work. Looks like the issue resolved itself anyway. Looks like I won't be back for another week, so that's good!--regentspark (comment) 20:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
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I'm afraid Ubiquinoid (talk · contribs) is a sock of banned editor Corticopia (talk · contribs). He's trying to stay away from his old pages such as Geography of Mexico, but his language is more or less the same. I became suspicious when I realized he was pushing the same nonstandard usage of the verb entail in the Geography of India page as Corticopia had done in the Geography of Mexico page some five years ago. See Talk:Geography of India. There are other language similarities. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:14, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)You might want to alert User:EdJohnston as he appears to be familiar with the sock farm and can possibly take action based on behavioral evidence. —SpacemanSpiff 11:32, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- Elockid has indeffed him. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- PS And, thank you, Spiff. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- Good catch f&f! --regentspark (comment) 15:25, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- PS And, thank you, Spiff. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:56, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks alot, you forgot the actual edit/edit-summary. [1]. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
- Done. --regentspark (comment) 13:26, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
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The AfD discussion on the article Pakistan Murdabad was closed as "no consensus" and the closing admin has suggested that a discussion/RfC etc. be started to decide the outcome of the article. I still hold the same views which I had prior to nominating it - Wikipedia is not a dictionary of phrases, and this article serves no constructive purpose. Have you got any comments to spare as far as that is concerned? Following that precedent, there is no reason why there should not be an article on "India Murdabad." I was just wondering, before I go on and add a proposal for it to be merged into Anti-Pakistan sentiment, I've got another idea... would it not be better to create a general article on Pakistan/India social/cultural relations? Something similiar to Cultural relationship between the Welsh and the English, which discusses anti-national sentiments in both countries and touches other social and cultural topics which are not otherwise covered in the India–Pakistan relations article which is mostly political. I believe such an article will be useful, constructive, notable and also highly encyclopedic. If that gets created, we can merge contents of the article into there and add a section for similiar anti-India sentiments in Pakistan and then expand to discuss other social subjects. I need a third opinion on this idea. If you agree with it, perhaps we should start a discussion somewhere. Mar4d (talk) 04:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- (Note-In case someone plans to term this as hounding, I would like to bring it in his/her knowledge that Regents' talk is on my watchlist) As I said before, its not about whether the Indian counterpart should be created or not, its about whether the concerned article, Pakistan Murdabad, should be kept or not. As suggested by Mar4d , something like a relations article can be created, but one should remember that Pakistan Murdabad is also used in Balochistan, and sometimes in Sindh. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Actually the article should be deleted. The closure determined it right to propose an RFC for merging in Anti-Pakistan sentiment and re-nominate at AFD if it can't be merged. It is also a good idea to start an article on India Pakistan cultural relations, which will definitely be a good venue to fit in content that can not be a part of India Pakistan wars and conflicts and India-Pakistan relations (which is about state relations mostly). But even after that, this slogan article would still find a more appropriate place as an anti Pakistan sentiment. It opens the pandora's box for creation of India Murdabad, Amreeca Murdabad etc which are more common ones and currently (and repeatedly) in the news too. Better to delete it in my opinion. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
It might make more sense to renominate it for deletion. Looking at sandstein's close, I think he was inclined toward deletion but closed it as no-consensus because of the messy discussion. There doesn't seem to be anything there that actually merits either an article or anything that needs to be merged. Independent of that, mar4d's idea of a cross-cultural article is not a bad one but the main problem with that will be the likelihood that it will be mostly OR. --regentspark (comment) 13:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- I renominated it. Let's see what gives. --regentspark (comment) 14:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Rspark I think I am in agreement with this RFC comment slogans such as Pakistan Murdabad, Pakistan Zindabad, Hindustan Zindabad are WP:DICDEF and were wrongly created and expanded using events whenever these slogans were chanted and these articles are now serving as WP:COATRACK for editors pushing Kashmir related POV see Talk:Pakistan Zindabad. Can you also WP:BUNDLE these 2 slogan articles into the AfD ? thanks --DBigXray 15:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- While I agree with the general comment that these slogan based articles are mostly not encyclopedic, some specific slogans may warrant an article so I'm not keen to bundle them. Personally, I think they should all go but let's see what happens with this AfD and then figure out what the next steps should be. --regentspark (comment) 18:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Other articles are separately independent. Bundling does not apply. Last I checked, you had completely different views on the AFD. --lTopGunl (talk) 15:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Rspark I think I am in agreement with this RFC comment slogans such as Pakistan Murdabad, Pakistan Zindabad, Hindustan Zindabad are WP:DICDEF and were wrongly created and expanded using events whenever these slogans were chanted and these articles are now serving as WP:COATRACK for editors pushing Kashmir related POV see Talk:Pakistan Zindabad. Can you also WP:BUNDLE these 2 slogan articles into the AfD ? thanks --DBigXray 15:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Yogesh Khandtke
Great minds think alike. Seems you beat me to it by a few minutes. I was writing this [2] in the meantime. Just FYI. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- I was probably too kind. :) --regentspark (comment) 14:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
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- Thanks. I haven't seen this sort of thing before so I'll take a look. --regentspark (comment) 11:49, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
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HiLo48
Just a heads up, I added his ban to Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions#Placed_by_the_Wikipedia_community Hot Stop 15:35, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! --regentspark (comment) 18:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Request
FPaS is stalking my edits, I do not want him stalking my edits, would you offer to check my edits occasionally to ensure I am not violating policy? I trust you to be fair and even as you have always been. If you were to offer to do random checks to ensure I am complying with policy then FPaS can stop stalking and harrasing me. Please consider this. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- You can't really go around accusing people of stalking without some evidence DS. Regardless, I'll check in on your edits from time to time. --regentspark (comment) 22:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- P.S. What happened with the McKhan SPI? --regentspark (comment) 23:44, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nothing so far with the McKhan SPI. And FPaS has said on his talk page he is stalking me, and has refused to stop. Darkness Shines (talk) 01:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- P.S. What happened with the McKhan SPI? --regentspark (comment) 23:44, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
(out)McKhan got blocked for a month, I do not understand why he is not banned given his long term abuse of socks and personal attacks. A question, can I edit this article yet?[3] Sal asked me to leave it for a week, which was about three weeks ago, as you know he is not well and has not been online. I want to make sure that my ass does not get blocked if I edit it. The article is full of self published sources, and apparently the Northern Alliance are terrorists, even though no source says they are :o) and spying is also terrorism according to that "article". Personally I think is ought to be deleted as the only actual content which belongs there is the usual accusations form Pakistan. However I would like to try and clean it up. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- Sure. I don't see why not. I'll drop a note on Salvio's talk page letting him know. Looking at the article history, I'm going to suggest that (a) don't tag the article - that would be unnecessarily confrontational, and (b) go ahead and make your changes but make sure you explain your rationale on the talk page. --regentspark (comment) 14:47, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
My topic ban
I feel I need to share with you some thoughts I've just posted on my Talk page in response to my topic ban. I'm sure your action is made in good faith, but as I've said below, I cannot see the point, apart from pleasing those who have different views from mine....
- LOL. A victory for a kangaroo court. I have no idea what this ban is actually for. I gave up reading that attack thread (I now see that it's many threads) of hatred against me after the first few posts. The very first post accused me of name calling. That's something I don't do. Then I was told I had to keep being nice to someone persistently trying to add a religious perspective to a non-religious topic. Sorry, that's not going to help Wikipedia. Such editors just waste our time. Then I was accused of personal attacks. Again, no, I don't do that. I DO vigorously point out when someone has said something dumb, which is obviously not the same as saying they are dumb. Hell, I say dumb things myself, but I won't admit to being dumb. I was accused of bludgeoning people when I made a proposal to change policy. What I found was that people either didn't understand my proposal, so I felt justified in putting more effort into explaining it, or deliberately chose to misrepresent my position, which I should not be expected to put up with. I can deal with losing a debate, I cannot deal with being silenced with ignorance and bullshit.
- I saw no point in trying to defend myself in such an environment. There was so much vituperative garbage at the start of the thread that I gave up reading for the sake of my sanity. I won't read it now. It would probably lead me to making more firm (but true) comments that wouldn't be liked by those editors who prefer artificial niceness to vigorous and honest debate.
- So, I have no idea why I have been banned. My single goal here is to make a better encyclopaedia. I don't believe I've done anything wrong. That notice above certainly doesn't tell me the purpose. It will silence me at that topic. That will please those who disagree with my views in general. Was that the goal? Unfortunately it will also vindicate the actions of those who posted with hatred, ignorance and bigotry in that thread.
- I wonder what people really think the ban will achieve in the longer term? I won't have changed after six months, especially when I don't know what my crime was. What's the point?
Please don't take offence at this. It's just a genuine expression of my feelings right now. I'm sure your intentions are good. And I would truly be interested in your thoughts on how one can defend oneself against bullshit, ignorance and bigotry here? There was far too much of that in those threads. (Please don't tell me what not to do. I'm looking for some positives.) HiLo48 (talk) 18:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- None so blind as one who will not see. HiLo48's "thoughts" echo the exact same rhetoric for which he received his topic ban, and I agree with Regentspark's intepretation of the consensus.--WaltCip (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
HiLo48, I'm just the messenger. I do think we, all of us on Wikipedia, have become a site where editing restrictions are issued far too easily and, given the choice, I'd rather not topic ban anyone. However, the consensus on ANI was quite clear. I don't know much about you, I don't think we've ever interacted, but, based on the comments on ANI, and if I may take the liberty of making a suggestion, you might want to focus on Dweller's comment regarding the way you interact with other users (again, this comment is based only on the links in the ANI discussion). Moving forward, six months is not a long time, the ban is restricted to only one part of Wikipedia and there is plenty of other stuff you're probably interested in, and it is best to leave recriminations behind and focus on the future. One thing that came out of the ANI discussion was that almost everyone thought highly of you as an editor and as a someone with a focus on our encyclopedia building mission. Perhaps it is best to focus on this positive takeaway and to ruminate on why blocks and topic bans were being discussed at all. Something's gotta change and, since you can't possibly change a bunch of other people, ..... --regentspark (comment) 20:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, but as I said above, too many of the posts at the start of that hate session were just that, hate posts, and I gave up reading it. I won't go back to it. There may have been some more rational posts later, but if you allow the crap to remain, why should I have to trawl through that dross to figure out which posts are sensible and which ones I should ignore. I won't even look for posts from one editor unless you can guarantee I won't see garbage on the way. I put considerable thoughts into my post at the top of this thread, as I do elsehwere. I appreciate your response, but most of my points still remain unanswered. HiLo48 (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- (uninvolved admin here) Your responses thus far have closely corroborated with the evidence thus provided: you seem to consider it possible to make the most flagrantly incivil comments so long as they are structured in such a way as to not very specifically call anyone any names directly. If you cannot see this as problematic then so be it: I'm willing to accept that you do not consider these uncivil, and take you at your word that you don't think you've done anything wrong here. However, that is not how most people see it, and our standards of civility are defined by the community and not personally. I personally think a topic ban is getting off somewhat lightly given that this isn't specific to ITN but relates to your general approach to interaction with others, and that unless you adjust your behaviour (whether you can see the problem or not) it's likely to result in further restrictions in future. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- I like to hope that admins can see logic when it's presented. What I am saying is that I stopped looking at the thread full of accusations against me simply because so many of the early ones were simply untrue. I didn't stick around. I knew that trying to defend myself would simply inflame things, and there were already some pretty rabid posts there. That those dishonest posts are still there is, to me, a big problem. My question is, how am I meant to identify genuine, realistic criticisms among all that garbage? That you now come back with term like "general approach to interaction" doesn't really help. I believe my comments are honest and realistic. They are the kinds of language I use in my daily life and work. (Which isn't even in the same country as most other editors. Maybe cultural differences...?) I don't know exactly what's wrong with my "general approach to interaction". Nothing has been explained in the notification of my ban. I am banned for six months. Then what? Many of you (obviously not all) don't like my style, but you seem to have great difficulty explaining exactly what my crime is. Many simply lied about it, which suggests hatred, rather than rational discussion. How can I change what comes naturally and what you all cannot honestly and precisely describe? HiLo48 (talk) 10:19, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- I'm prepared to accept that it's a cultural thing, if only because of the vociferous protestations in the Malleus ArbCom case by an Australian editor that much of what the community considers egregious abuse qualifies as casual banter from his cultural perspective. It is difficult for me to explain in any more detail than was provided at ANI exactly what you're doing "wrong", but suffice to say that nearly everyone else seems to be able to reach the same conclusion given the evidence and it would be a remarkable coincidence for them all to be able to do so were there no case to be answered. As for what happens next: unless you are able to identify why your interaction style is seen as abusive, and avoid that in future, the likelihood is that you will end up back at ANI again in relatively short order. There's not a lot anyone except for you can do about that. If I were you I would avoid making negative comments in general regardless of at whom or what they are directed, as this seems to be the only sure-fire way of ensuring that the community does not take (unintended) offence at your comments. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Conformance with the community's norms of interaction is one of the five pillars, and it is necessary to ensure that such a massively diverse community is able to function. You accepted that when you signed up. For what it's worth, I spent a couple of hours fixing all the user boxes you use on your home page so that they line up properly: a minor kindness to show that I'm not out for your blood, and hopefully to impress upon you that it's unlikely anyone else is either. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. It's much better. But I can't accept that no-one's out for my blood. There were a lot of nasty, incorrect allegations at the start of the threads which led to my conviction. Dunno if they stopped. Saw no point in playing that game. It was a kangaroo court. And they were all still there when I had a quick glance yesterday. I cannot do anything but see that whole situation negatively. The posts were either malicious or incompetent. (Unless you can think of some other explanation.) And those allowing such bullshit to remain on display aren't helping Wikipedia much either. How can I discuss such material without using negative language? HiLo48 (talk) 11:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you can attempt to see the matter from the other side, and you can refrain from using negative language when discussing the situation. You are making the choice not to. You are not obligated to give your opinion of other editors, and you are not obligated to characterise their motives. You are making the choice to do these things. You are not incapable of reading through the whole of the discussion no matter how much of it you may disagree with. You are making the choice to ignore it. All of these things are at your discretion to resolve. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- HiLo, Chris is giving you some good advice here and you should pay attention to it. It is always important to understand the rules and norms of a social system you hang out in and to conform (largely) to those norms. On Wikipedia, speculating about the motives of other editors is generally not a good idea. I've been here long enough to see that editors, and this includes some excellent content writers, who end up believing that they are being victimized unfairly usually come to a bad end here. Where you go from here is entirely your call, but you may want to consider the undeniable fact that your current approach is not, fairly or unfairly, working very well. --regentspark (comment) 14:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- So, Chris is allowed to speculate the no-one is out for my blood, and when I point out, with good evidence, that he is almost certainly wrong, I'm told to shut up! No, I don't easily conform to the conservative norm of artificial niceness in Wikipedia. Those lying about me do, apparently. (Any consequences? No!) I truly don't know where to go from here. Do I really have to accept the lies and bullshit in the attack thread that had me convicted? While I'm sure you mean well, I don't know if you guys have actually seen all this from my perspective yet. It's very difficult to pretend that all is sweetness and light out there. This process is supposed to be justice. It's nothing of the kind. And I still come back to my original point. I don't know what it is that had me convicted. I saw a thread with a lot of crap in it. And it had me banned. I didn't do the crimes I saw I was supposed to have done. How can I pick out the ones that do matter? And I saw malicious editors writing permanent bullshit about me, with total freedom to do so, and no consequences. I AM the victim here, in a system that allows lynchings. HiLo48 (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
- Well when you don't conform to the norms of society, that society usually retains their right to exclude you. Let me preface this by saying that to the best of my knowledge, I have never directly spoken to you and I really have no problem with you whatsoever. Now, maybe instead of being "artificially" nice like the rest of the community, as you claim, maybe you could try just being non-artificially blunt. Looking through your comments linked on AN/I, and through your comments related to the topic ban, you ooze defiance. No matter how ill-meaning or well-intentioned the comments directed towards you are made, you are defiant to any altering of your behavior. If you want someone to be honest, here it is: your comments and actions as of late, have been dick-like. Now, I'm not calling you a dick directly, but rather your comments, playing the victim and snubbing every comment regardless of how helpful someone is trying to be, is something that a dick would do. Acting like a dick is exactly why you have been topic banned. Now if you find this ironic, you should, because this is exactly what you have been doing to other users for several months. You act condescending towards them, telling them their comments are idiotic, when in fact you truly mean that they are idiots, pretending that you're commenting on something else. Maybe users got tired of those kinds of comments from you, and rightfully so, because saying those kinds of things repeatedly do nothing but come across as annoying at some point. To be quite frank with you, you deserve not only a topic ban, but a lengthy block. Your unwillingness to try and change anything despite specific examples and unwillingness to read a whole thread dedicated to your behavior, is exactly why you have been topic banned. You have been a detriment to In the News, and you're now banned from it for six months because of it. I think you're a terrific article contributor for the most part, but if you don't stop that behavior, you might end up not being here. I think the community has shown that it isn't trying to be artificial with you by enacting a topic ban, and you should maybe start to respect it a little if you intend to stick around. If your intent truly is to create the best encyclopedia possible, then it's time you start to prove it by moving on with your editing, leaving In the News behind you for now, and focusing on that. Regards, — Moe ε 09:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- So, Chris is allowed to speculate the no-one is out for my blood, and when I point out, with good evidence, that he is almost certainly wrong, I'm told to shut up! No, I don't easily conform to the conservative norm of artificial niceness in Wikipedia. Those lying about me do, apparently. (Any consequences? No!) I truly don't know where to go from here. Do I really have to accept the lies and bullshit in the attack thread that had me convicted? While I'm sure you mean well, I don't know if you guys have actually seen all this from my perspective yet. It's very difficult to pretend that all is sweetness and light out there. This process is supposed to be justice. It's nothing of the kind. And I still come back to my original point. I don't know what it is that had me convicted. I saw a thread with a lot of crap in it. And it had me banned. I didn't do the crimes I saw I was supposed to have done. How can I pick out the ones that do matter? And I saw malicious editors writing permanent bullshit about me, with total freedom to do so, and no consequences. I AM the victim here, in a system that allows lynchings. HiLo48 (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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