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::::There ''are'' a good number of green icons, but their shapes don't necessarily correspond with the red and blue icons, because they are intended for footpaths or unwatered canals. Most green icons are in either [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set f]] (footpaths) or [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set g]] (unwatered canals). The green icons that you used in [[Template:Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway Beighton Branch]] are in [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set green]], but there aren't as many as "set f" or "set g". There are also a few grey icons, mostly in [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set grey]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC) |
::::There ''are'' a good number of green icons, but their shapes don't necessarily correspond with the red and blue icons, because they are intended for footpaths or unwatered canals. Most green icons are in either [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set f]] (footpaths) or [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set g]] (unwatered canals). The green icons that you used in [[Template:Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway Beighton Branch]] are in [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set green]], but there aren't as many as "set f" or "set g". There are also a few grey icons, mostly in [[commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set grey]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::Warm thanks, as a result of this I have been able to get by. If I want more I will have to design them and add them! That's for another day. Dave [[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 22:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC) |
:::::Warm thanks, as a result of this I have been able to get by. If I want more I will have to design them and add them! That's for another day. Dave [[User:DavidAHull|DavidAHull]] ([[User talk:DavidAHull|talk]]) 22:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC) |
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==Need some quick col/row scope MOS:DTT work on a pending FLC== |
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[[User:The Rambling Man]] who is a director at FLC has informed me in reviewing my nomination for [[List of colonial governors of New Jersey]] that I would need to make the tables compliant with [[MOS:DTT]] for col and row scopes. I've told him I don't know what this is. After several requests, he gave me an example to go by that when I tried to implement screwed up the tables. So, please can you help fix this to make it MOS:DTT-compliant and then tell me what exactly I have to do for future reference? |
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See the discussion here (at the bottom of the page): [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of colonial governors of New Jersey/archive1]] |
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Thanks for any assistance you can offer.--[[User:ColonelHenry|ColonelHenry]] ([[User talk:ColonelHenry|talk]]) 19:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC) |
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Indian railway templates
Thanks a lot for adding colour to the Indian railway station succession templates. However, in the process one unwanted change has taken place. Earlier, the station name with suffix ‘railway station’ was automatically getting linked when the name was being placed in the ‘previous’ or ‘following’ box. See Rourkela railway station. Now the template responds to the suffix ‘Indian railway station’ and names with the suffix ‘railway station’ are no more getting linked. See Bondamunda railway station. Please fix this up. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 03:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry - has this edit sorted it? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Seems to be okay now. Many thanks. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 14:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Dr Who stamps
Hello R. I know that you will see my post at the project talk page eventually but I wanted to let you know that I added this Doctor Who merchandise#Commemorative stamps to that article. I thought that, when you have the time, you might add the info that you have about the Dalek stamp from 1999. Anything that you think appropriate will be fine and my commiserations about the missing set of stamps. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 18:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Payday!
For fixing Template:Inflation.
I know this modest reward is small recompense for your work but I hope you find some benefit from these tokens of my appreciation. In addition, while we don't live by bread alone, I am told these coins are edible. Thank you. Jojalozzo 21:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC) |
Blank lines on talk pages
- Reply to post by Redrose64
- Thanks – albeit, belated – for the explanation (although most of it went "over my head", to be honest). Nonetheless, I will try to refrain from this practice. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:34, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Capitalisation of the definite article in band names
Hello, Redrose64, per this edit, please see below:
- Capitalisation:
The Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Capitalization states:
- "Standard English text formatting and capitalization rules apply to the names of bands and individual artists".
The Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music) states that a lower-case definite article should be used in band names:
- "Mid-sentence, per the MoS, the word 'the' should in general not be capitalized in continuous prose, e.g. 'Wings featured Paul McCartney from the Beatles and Denny Laine from the Moody Blues.'"
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music)#Capitalization states:
- In band names, and titles of songs or albums, capitalize all words except:
- articles (an, a, the)
I've reverted your reversion based on these guidelines. Please take to talk if you disagree. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 23:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
- The Manual of Style is vast, so please don't just put "per MoS" in your edit summaries; link the relevant section.
- In the case of "The Band", the capitalisation resolves an ambiguity: it indicates specifically that we are referring to the group who worked with Bob Dylan; whereas if we put "the Band", it could be seen as a typo for "the band", i.e. Fairport Convention themselves. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
You declined my request, for the reason "Please see WP:RFD", but the first step of Wikipedia:RFD#How to list a redirect for discussion requires editing the redirect page. There's nothing there to say that the process is different if a redirect is protected. Peter James (talk) 10:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- It was not at all clear at Talk:James Knowles (footballer) that you wanted stage I of WP:RFD#HOWTO to be done for you: it read as a general comment.
- If you carry out stage II of WP:RFD#HOWTO, and then put an edit request at Talk:James Knowles (footballer) requesting the addition of
{{subst:rfd}}
, it will be done. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Reading 3
Do you think we should reschedule this? I looks like you and I are the only confirmed attendees. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Given the weather (4 ins snow where I live in Didcot, v. slippery), I'm likely to cry off in any case, so a resched is probably a good idea. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:44, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I can just change it to 24 Feb and you reschedule the geonotice? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- 24 Feb is just one week before Oxford 3; also, third Sunday would be 17 Feb, so how about that? London 66 is 10 Feb.
- When I fix the geonotice, I'll also post to those who were at Oxford 2. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes 17th. I will make it Reading 4 in order to preserve the page for 3. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I can just change it to 24 Feb and you reschedule the geonotice? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Infobox Military structures
Hi Redrose, Can you halp me to use the coordinates variable in Infobox Military structure ? I always prefer to use degrees, minutes and seconds. But I think the template accepts only decimal values after the degrees. (Infobox Populated places accepts both types of coordinate designations.) Is there any way to enter the coordinates in minutes and seconds or shoud I have to convert the minutes into decimal values before entering ? Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:08, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- You are correct in that
{{Infobox military structure}}
accepts only decimal degrees in the|latitude=
|longitude=
parameters. Fortunately there is a simple conversion function, the{{decdeg}}
template, which takes five parameters - degrees, minutes, seconds, hemisphere, and precision (number of decimal places):
| latitude = {{decdeg|52|20|47|N|4}} | longitude = {{decdeg|1|35|23|W|4}}
- which behaves as if you had entered:
| latitude = 52.3464 | longitude = -1.5897
- See WP:OPCOORD for information on a suitable number of decimal places - four (as in my example) is an accuracy of about ten metres. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
The link you asked for
Sorry I'm bad at using wikipedia and messed up adding the cite, I asked Northern the other day about Bolton's Platform 2 and they replied to me https://twitter.com/northernrailorg/status/291975325221535745?uid=17412258&iid=am-34365388813588638626255904&nid=56+427
Imperial first
Re: [1] "in Britain we put the imperial measure first", do you have a MOS link? I can't recall and haven't found anything in WP:ENGVAR et al that uses such terminology. WP:UNIT provides a footnote covering the UK case: "Some editors hold strong views for or against metrication in the UK. If there is disagreement about the main units used in a UK-related article, discuss the matter on the article talk-page, at MOSNUM talk, or both. If consensus cannot be reached, refer to historically stable versions of the article and retain the units used in these as the main units." As far as I'm aware, Metrication in the United Kingdom was nearly 50 years ago, with a few exceptions (road distances, road speeds, older railway lines will be recorded in chains and not yet resurveyed in metric, aircraft altitude where not quoted as flight level, and beer sold by the pint) it is the case (WP:UNITS#Other_articles) that "the main unit is generally a metric unit". While there might be "strong views for or against", it does not appear to be the case that it is possible to categorically state "in Britain we put the imperial measure first", and to do so is perhaps even misleading to other editors who might see it. Would you be able to share your thoughts? It would be really useful if you could consider linking to any WP:MOS or policy documents in an edit summary if referring to a particular policy. —Sladen (talk) 11:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm going by what I have observed on hundreds of other articles about British railway lines and stations. Please also note that it was not me who first changed the order of the units in this article - if you look at the version prior to Picapica's edit you'll see that it's Imperial first; the
|disp=flip
exchanges the order of presentation within{{convert}}
. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)- I think there are two issues here; one is the implication that "in Britain we put the imperial measure first". This is clearly not the case, neither does it appear to be supported by policy or guidelines. Please consider raising and/or proposing changing the MOS if they are felt to be incorrect.
- The second is repeatedly trying such unilateral changes based on a belief in the first. The implication (in this particular case) that values were not metric originally appears to be at odds with what the page history shows. The units were (seemingly quite properly and appropriately) stated in metric for several years before an editor adjusted[2] them to add
|disp=flip
. This has now happened a second time; and I presume is being done based on a (misguided) belief in the status of the first issue. - Could I respectfully ask that you go through the proper channels and get a mandate before doing further similar changes. Thank you for your contributions and edits in general. —Sladen (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Does this make sense to you? —Sladen (talk) 12:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't realise you expected a reply. In your original post, you directed me to WP:UNITS#Other articles, and quoted "the main unit is generally a metric unit". But you don't quote the text which follows: "but imperial units are still used as the main units in some contexts, including: miles,". The text in question therefore should have miles as the main unit. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- What it says (just before the item you have chose to quote) is in "in some contexts" … clarified with a long footnote on the subject … "If there is disagreement about the main units used in a UK-related article, discuss the matter on the article talk-page, at MOSNUM talk, or both. If consensus cannot be reached, refer to historically stable versions of the article and retain the units used". AFAIK you've (a) not done that; (b) claimed something which is not the case in the edit summary as justification; (c) continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis; (d) gone back to the same article(s) several months later and done it again; (e) claimed that it was always like this when the page history shows otherwise [and it was somebody using your account who changed it earlier].
- Given your general good levels of engagement and responsiveness in meta activities on Wikipedia, I'm not understanding why this is happening in the case of units adjusting/meddling in article space and taking the points on-board when they are raised. —Sladen (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Regarding (c) "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis" and (d) "gone back to the same article(s) several months later and done it again" - what articles have I done this on? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Diffs above: East Midlands Parkway railway station [3] [4]. —Sladen (talk) 13:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I saw those diffs. But you stated "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis". A second edit is not "continued", so you cannot be thinking solely of East Midlands Parkway railway station, where of the 11 edits that I have made (this being the first), only two - the two you have mentioned - concern the order of measurement units. I am not the only editor to have placed the imperial unit first. The following edits placed the imperial unit first:
- 21:16, 27 January 2009; 21:08, 29 April 2012; 14:05, 30 April 2012; 10:46, 24 January 2013 - please observe that the first two of these edits were not mine.
- For balance, the following edits changed the order back to metric first:
- 21:40, 27 January 2009; 11:00, 30 April 2012 (note here that the
|disp=flip
parameter was not undocumented - here's the doc page from that time); 05:25, 24 January 2013; 15:04, 24 January 2013.
- 21:40, 27 January 2009; 11:00, 30 April 2012 (note here that the
- One edit did not change the order, although it did affect the displayed conversion:
- Given that I changed the order just twice, the second of which restored a situation that had persisted for nine months without complaint, I hold that I have not "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis". --Redrose64 (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I saw those diffs. But you stated "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis". A second edit is not "continued", so you cannot be thinking solely of East Midlands Parkway railway station, where of the 11 edits that I have made (this being the first), only two - the two you have mentioned - concern the order of measurement units. I am not the only editor to have placed the imperial unit first. The following edits placed the imperial unit first:
- Diffs above: East Midlands Parkway railway station [3] [4]. —Sladen (talk) 13:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Regarding (c) "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis" and (d) "gone back to the same article(s) several months later and done it again" - what articles have I done this on? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't realise you expected a reply. In your original post, you directed me to WP:UNITS#Other articles, and quoted "the main unit is generally a metric unit". But you don't quote the text which follows: "but imperial units are still used as the main units in some contexts, including: miles,". The text in question therefore should have miles as the main unit. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Does this make sense to you? —Sladen (talk) 12:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Village pump comment re cached copies
Re your comment, "The main page problem began very recently, and has affected many users whether logged in or not. By contrast, users who are not logged in have always been served cached copies of most pages, primarily for reasons of speed." — How often are cached copies updated? --Bob K31416 (talk) 13:40, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- Please repost this at WP:VPT#Users reporting site time issues and delay in visible update of edits, which is the thread where I posted the comment you quote above. That page has a far larger watchlist than this one; also, its watchers know far more about the detail than I do. Also, I dislike split discussions, becuse they are difficult for a third person to follow. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- I reposted it per your advice.[5] Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Category: Kew
Many thanks. Headhitter (talk) 19:29, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
WikiProject Environment
Thanks for setting the importance parameter etc. Category:Top-importance Environment articles had already been created but it has a typo. Can you fix it? I am category topic banned. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:50, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- I've thrown out what was there already, and replaced with templates matching those on High/Mid/etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:17, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. There are a lot more articles that should be in the new categories since they already have the parameters added. There is a bit of a trick that gets the database to recognise them. I had the same issues with populating Category:Articles with missing files. It would be nice to get them populated by running that trick on Category:Environment articles by quality subcats. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:26, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Your counsel sought
Hello, Redrose64! Would you please give some brief advice about adminship? I'm thinking about taking on the task of admin, and I'd like to know how you compare being an admin-editor with being an editor only. Do you ever feel bogged down to the extent that you can't do the type of edits you like to do? Any info you can give me about being an admin would help a great deal. Thank you for all your help, past–present–future! – Paine (Climax!) 21:59, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- Well, as with anything else on Wikipedia, there's no obligation to do anything. For example, the admin tools include the ability to hand out certain user rights - an option which I've never exercised. Most of the admin tools that I use concern editing protected pages - I have this page on my watchlist so that I know what's been requested, and if it's something that I believe is a good edit request, I carry it out, as with these edits.
- One of the most useful of the admin tools is the ability to view and restore deleted pages. I don't actually restore very many at all - but when a page shows up in my watchlist as a redlink marked "(Deletion log) ... deleted page ...", I might be curious as to what its final contents were, and by using Special:Undelete, the page history may be seen, and individual revisions viewed, all without actually undeleting the page. But be warned: WP:RFA won't go well for you if that's all you want to do.
- This summary shows that I haven't done much blocking or protecting, compared to (say) page deletions. I have been known to file a request at WP:RFPP, rather than protect the page myself. Don't be misled where the summary implies that I created accounts for two other users: they were both for myself. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- That's just great! It sounds as if you really like what you do as an administrator here on Wikipedia. What do you feel might be the "negatives" of adminship? You know, the things you may run into from time to time that you're just not too crazy about? And thank you for your shining response, above! – Paine (Climax!) 23:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I think the most negative thing was the RFA process itself, see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Redrose64. One thing that I was afraid of, but hasn't really happened, is the nasty remarks that deleting admins occasionally get "why did you delete my article you b******? I've started an WP:ANI about you: reinstate my article immediately". --Redrose64 (talk) 13:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a concern for me, too. Maybe it's all in how you do the process. I've thought about it, and rather than wait for something like that to happen, I imagine I would get to the author first, let them know what is wrong and tell them what they can do. Also, do you think it's better to delete completely, or delete and userfy? – Paine (Climax!) 19:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- Each case needs to be considered on its own merits. Very often, whether to userfy or not will emerge during an WP:XFD discussion (WP:PRODs and WP:CSDs never result in userfication, only keep or delete); but XFDs should not be decided on a simple majority vote - the arguments put forward by each side need to be weighed against each other.
- Even WP:PRODs and WP:CSDs are not always straightforward - they may have been placed in error, possibly by somebody unfamiliar with policies. The admin coming across one of these is not constrained to delete.
- If you feel unable to judge the outcome of a deletion request - regardless of whether it's WP:XFD or not - you can leave it for somebody else to make the final call; with an XFD you always have the option of adding a !vote which states your opinion; with a WP:PROD you can use
{{proposed deletion endorsed}}
; and with WP:CFD you can post to the relevant talk page. - If you put some open WP:AFD pages on your watchlist, also some of the daily log pages for WP:TFD/WP:CFD/etc., you'll learn who are the admins who regularly close deletion discussions; you can then post to one of their talk pages, asking how they made the decision. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a concern for me, too. Maybe it's all in how you do the process. I've thought about it, and rather than wait for something like that to happen, I imagine I would get to the author first, let them know what is wrong and tell them what they can do. Also, do you think it's better to delete completely, or delete and userfy? – Paine (Climax!) 19:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- I think the most negative thing was the RFA process itself, see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Redrose64. One thing that I was afraid of, but hasn't really happened, is the nasty remarks that deleting admins occasionally get "why did you delete my article you b******? I've started an WP:ANI about you: reinstate my article immediately". --Redrose64 (talk) 13:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- That's just great! It sounds as if you really like what you do as an administrator here on Wikipedia. What do you feel might be the "negatives" of adminship? You know, the things you may run into from time to time that you're just not too crazy about? And thank you for your shining response, above! – Paine (Climax!) 23:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
It appears that you've been covering for Martin on his talk page. As there's no break notice, is he feeling ill again? – Paine (Climax!) 19:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
- I've been covering for Martin ever since I succeeded at RFA! I don't know why he occasionally takes periodic absence though. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:35, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Responding to my edit request
Howdy. Thank you for responding to my edit request. It didn't occur to me to check for a hidden div. I will keep that in mind in the future. On a more minor note, it appears you didn't sign your comment there. I checked, and there is no signature in a hidden div. ;) Rockfang (talk) 20:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
BR Class 411
Considering that most of the article is unreferenced, perhaps you could justify your reversion of this claim.
I am not trying to be funny, but if you have an issue with this then why not with the rest of the article.Bhtpbank (talk) 00:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- It's a WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim (hmmm - that reminds me - I still haven't had a reply to this). --Redrose64 (talk) 09:38, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Precious
railroads and advice
Thank you for quality articles on UK railways and stations, such as Hawkhurst Branch Line, for counseling and advice, for pointing out an overlooked problem, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! You deserve a red rose, but now you get a blue sapphire.
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
East Minster railway station
East Minster On Sea railway station was renamed a few months ago, with old OS maps given as the source of information.
Butt P88 lists only East Minster-on-sea.
"Complete Atlas of Railway Station Names", which I had found always agreed with Butt when I had done any cross checking, surprised me by showing "East Minster on sea (East Minster)". Explanatory note in the book says that the first name given is the last name used, and previous names are shown in round brackets in reverse order, with the earliest name used shown last.
Implication is that East Minster on sea is the sole or final name and by convention is the WP article name.
Do you have any sources that can confirm the correct name for the WP article?
Efficacy (talk) 20:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Butt (p.88) gives only one name, "East Minster-on-Sea".
- McCarthy & Mc Carthy (map 4 section E1 and map 5 section A1) also show one name, "East Minster-on-Sea". --Redrose64 (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
I'll stop there....
I noticed your edit summary - I'll stop there before making further errors. I've been away from Wikipedia for a long while and I'm clearly quite rusty.
I must get round to improving some of these Metrolink station articles at some point though. Subject to Manchester Metrolink getting to GA status, I'm thinking of picking one, bringing it up to a high standard, and then using it as an example for others to follow.... well it's a pipe dream for now... --Jza84 | Talk 21:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- OK, taking them in the order of my edit summary (or, if you prefer, the reverse of the order in the infobox):
|coord_region=
is for the ISO 3166-2:GB code of the metropolitan borough. Those codes relevant to Manchester Metrolink stops now open or under construction are:GB-BUR
Bury;GB-MAN
Manchester;GB-OLD
Oldham;GB-RCH
Rochdale;GB-SLF
Salford;GB-TAM
Tameside;GB-TRF
Trafford. If omitted (or left blank), it's treated as|coord_region=GB
.|label_position=
sets the position of label for the red dot. It has four possible values - bottom, left, right, top; when blank (or omitted), it's treated as|label_position=bottom
. It's only really necessary if the label is difficult to read because it lies over some dense or dark detail.|label_position=top
works as documented when the name of the tram stop has one word (as with Milnrow) but when there are two or more words (as with South Chadderton or Kingsway Business Park), the wrapping between the words causes the second and third words to lie on top of the red dot, which is always worse than having all the words below. I try to avoid using|label_position=left
because browsers are inconsistent with that one, which really only leaves|label_position=right
available for multi-word stops when the default is unsuitable. My normal technique is to leave|label_position=
blank, preview it; and if the label is difficult to read, I set|label_position=
to eithertop
orright
depending on number of words. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Fairport Convention Images
Thank you you for restoring the images on all the entries for the individual members of Fairport Convention. I uploaded the ones that were, and was even given permission to do so by the photographer. I forwarded the e-mail in which he gave me permission to use them, but wikipedia wouldn't believe me and tagged for deletion, at which point I gave up hope and just accepted the inevitable. I came on here today to see if they had gone, and if they had I was going to restore the images but I see you have beaten me to it, so thank you it saved me a job. It still doesn't change the fact that those images are quite dated and need updating, but I'll leave that to someone else. Fonzleclay :D 22:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Fairport have played Didcot Cornerstone every April or May since it opened in September 2008... I must try and get pics next time they're here. Photography within the auditorium is forbidden by the management, but luckily, four of the band (GC excepted) are easy to nab after the performance, sometimes before or in the interval. Peggy's easiest: he'll be outside at the front, smoking. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Genesis of the Daleks
I'm finishing up Genesis of the Daleks (having used information from the DVD), and I didn't know if you had any references books with more information. I was particularly looking for average viewership, since listing the ratings for the individual parts were tedious. Thanks! Glimmer721 talk 19:45, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
- Somebody reverted all your edits w/o expln. I reverted them. Anyway,
- Howe, David J.; Stammers, Mark; Walker, Stephen James (1992). Doctor Who The Handbook - The Fourth Doctor. London: Doctor Who Books. p. 60. ISBN 0-426-20369-0.
- shows that UK viewing figures for each episode were 10.7, 10.5, 8.5, 8.8, 9.8 & 9.1 million; the 86-minute compilation (27 Dec 1975) got 7.6 million; the split of that (26 Jul 1982, 2 Aug 1982) got 4.9 & 5.0 million. On p. 247 is a list of the top ten and bottom ten TB stories by average viewers; GotD isn't listed so is in the middle 21; I thus don't have an average figure, unless we commit an offence under WP:NOR and say 9.5666666666667. -Redrose64 (talk) 20:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not sure if I should put the repeats under "broadcast" or "legacy" (the thought behind the latter was that it contributed to it becoming popular). Do you have a source for the AI figures? I'm also not sure which DWM issues the polls were in, aside from the 200 one. Glimmer721 talk 22:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
Thanks for helping out, have a kitten :)
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
commonscat must not be in a section comprised of columns
Not "comprised of", please! Try "comprising". Or "consisting of". Or, in this case, perhaps just "with". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winstonsmith99 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- As far as I am aware, it is not common practice to check edit summaries for errors of grammar or spelling. It is common practice to fix problems of page layout as and when they are located.
- I could have put a link to Template:Commons category#Location. Instead, I shall direct you to Wikipedia:Please sign your posts on talk pages. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Inflation template
Hi Redrose, you look like the guru for Template:Inflation. So, I was wondering if you could pop over to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/William Robinson Brown/archive1 where there is a question about inflation amounts as used in the article here (raw text in this section). The amount in question is £2727 in 1918 pounds sterling. The template (if I used it correctly) gave me £98,463 for today's value, but I did a manual crunch and got $104,000 at Measuring worth itself for 2010. So, you appear to be the template expert, can you maybe check my work and let the FAC reviewers (and me) know if we need to fix something? Many thanks in advance! Montanabw(talk) 22:35, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I don't know; probably best to post at Template talk:Inflation. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- One thing I have found out is that for UK inflation, it has no figures later than 2009, so for subsequent years, it uses the 2009 data. Here are some conversion factors for 1918:
- to 2007: 35.11170212766
- to 2008: 36.505319148936
- to 2009: 36.318009118541
- to 2010: 37.993920972644
- to 2011: 39.97226443769
- to 2012: 41.246200607903
- to 2024: 61.531155015198
- So, if instead of 2010, we feed 2009 into Measuring worth, we see "£99,000.00 using the retail price index" which is somewhat closer to £98,463. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- One thing I have found out is that for UK inflation, it has no figures later than 2009, so for subsequent years, it uses the 2009 data. Here are some conversion factors for 1918:
Waterspaces
Have a look at some of the comments Here.Kitchen Knife (talk) 00:03, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I removed it because you have put false passenger numbers up at Johnstone Railway Station. It only handes 1:100 per year and your saying that 1.217 use it. Its all wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.218.83.217 (talk) 12:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- That was not an excuse to remove almost all of the page content. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
STOP!
Will you please stop putting in false info into Johnstone stations passenger numbers, You are a problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.218.83.217 (talk) 13:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
- See section above, also your talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Bury to Manchester Line
On the Abraham Moss Learning Centre page which I am building up- I need to refer to the Bury Line as it is called locally. I notice it is referred to on various sections of various pages but does't have its own article. I don't even know its official name which prevents me from writing a quick stub- and don't have railway history shelf in my personal library. It seems a bit of a mystery (or was it wikipolitics) that nothing is there. Any suggestions to a stub title so we can get started.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- We need to consider the name carefully: at one time there were three routes from Manchester to Bury. The first was the Manchester, Bury and Rossendale Railway (renamed East Lancashire Railway in 1845) which opened in 1846; this was closely followed by the extension of the Manchester and Leeds Railway from Heywood (which formed an end-on junction at Bury with the Liverpool and Bury Railway), which opened in 1848. M&LR trains to Bury ran from Victoria via Middleton Junction and Heywood, but for many years the best trains to Bury were the Accrington/Burnley/Skipton services that ran via Clifton Junction, so in some books you'll find that "Bury line" refers to that route. The route from Victoria out through Crumpsall and under Heaton Park is comparatively new, having opened in 1879.
- It's only since the closure of the line via Clifton Junction in 1966 that the third route has been thought of as the "Bury line". I expect that's the one which you are thinking of. The construction and opening of this route is covered as "Cheetham Hill-Radcliffe" in
- Marshall, John (1970). The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway, volume 2. Newton Abbot: David & Charles. pp. 49–55. ISBN 0-7153-4906-6.
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- Marshall, John (1970). The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway, volume 2. Newton Abbot: David & Charles. pp. 49–55. ISBN 0-7153-4906-6.
- and the electrification of the same route is covered as "Manchester-Bury-Holcombe Brook" in Marshall (1970, pp. 169–178). I suspect that the reason that it doesn't have its own article is because it's been part of Manchester Metrolink since before Wikipedia was invented. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Threads
If you counted the threads there were six excluding the new one. I know all about archival. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 00:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Reading
Signatures
- Apologies for asking a slightly inane question, but how do I get my old signatures to update so they look the same as my new one? Lukeno94 (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
nscounts.py
I applied what did you say on Bride talkpage, but again the following error occured:
File "watchalltest.py", line 112, in <module>
report_text = report_template % (current_of, '\n'.join(output), ns_count_tcol, ns_count_r_tcol, ns_count_gtotal)
TypeError: %d format: a number is required, not str
Now what should we do? Thanks for your valuable help. محمد شعیب (talk) 13:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- Please can we keep this at User talk:MZMcBride#nscounts.py. It's difficult to follow split threads. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Naming Indian railway stations
Please have a look at Asansol Junction Railway Station and give your opinion on the talk page. Cheers.-Chandan Guha (talk) 01:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- I see that it's been resolved in favour of Asansol railway station. Judging by the signs "Asansol Station" clearly visible on the station building, and the absence of the word "Junction", I would agree with this resolution. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks and cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Gurgaon
Hi! Just commented! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Talking With Stramgers (Judy Dyble)
Hello and good evening. We are updating the page, as the album is about to be issued in the USA. I am struggling to add the current album cover. I have deleted the old one (which was sold out and deleted over 3 years ago) and I made a a couple of minor ammendments. 'The Whorl' was never officially released, that is placed into general distribution. A record shop could not buy a copy to resell, the general clue to an official release or not.
John Gillies is the lead singer of Yorkshire band The Conspirators, who have had a top 10 official indie chart single, so I would suggest that link would be valid? Otherwise would you kindly add the current cover into the album info box, and further down, googling judy dyble talkinh with strangers on page 1 gives a nice photo of the current vinyl with the sleeve and the inner sleeve shown.
We would be most grateful. I have always struggled with photo's on wiki!
Best wishes,
Jon (For Judy Dyble) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.251.209 (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- I cannot add an image to any article without it first being uploaded. Please see Help:Files.
- If you have ideas for amending an article, it's best to put them on the talk page for the article concerned - such as Talk:Talking with Strangers.
- Regarding "The Whorl": I definitely got mine in a mainstream record shop; specifically, The HMV Shop, 79 Northbrook Street, Newbury RG14 1AE. I paid £15.00 on 29 January 2007, and I'm pretty sure I've got the receipt somewhere. I have a note that it was received into the shop on 23 January 2007 - as I recall, it wasn't on the shelf as a stock item but HMV were willing to order it through their usual channels. All I needed to tell them was Talking Elephant TECD 094. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Football records in Spain page please stop this circus !!
Hello ..
may you please take a look at football records in spain ,this page is containing various different records in Spanish football, the user : 49.244.108.56 keeps removing some of them because he believes they are not needed and if you took a look at what he adds or removes you can see he is doing that biasing since he is working hard to remove Barca records allowing only real records !! the 3 records i added are well referenced from the related club website and even classified clearly under national records even not just a club records !! so anything clearer than that even ?? how should someone opinion or even bunch of people opinion about it make a difference in that ?? its a clear case...the related club classified it as record , so if someone likes it or not it shouldn't stop being a record .
and since its referenced I can't see any reason to remove it .
the website : http://www.fcbarcelona.com/club/the-honours/detail/card/fc-barcelona-team-records
what is really weird...there is some records similar to those added ( like i added ) but he added them related to Real Madrid so obviously he doesn't have a clear measure in that.\
I tried sending other for help also but i found no response so far, I just think the whole thing is turning into a circus as that :) and for the protection of integrity of wikipedia someone should act in someway !! making it clear (neither way i dont care ) just don't leave it for somenoe to decide oh i hate this club so i dont want his records and im making my hard to remove them and bringing everyother possible records for the club i like ??! take a look at it please because this IP : 49.244.108.56 has long history of doing that !
he is the same range of ip from 49.244.125.32 also he is the same as 49.244.161.201 and by the way it's all belongs to a user has been blocked before but i dont know why they unblocked him again ! it's just as a circus as that
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:A0A2:1EFE:E57C:DD88 (talk) 17:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- The place to discuss the content of the article is Talk:Football records in Spain. I've never edited that article, so I don't know why you're asking me. I notice you have posted similar messages at User talk:Coren, Talk:Wikipedia community, User talk:Frank, User talk:Furrykef, and Wikipedia:Help desk. Please see WP:MULTI. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:50, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Templates
Thank you for being so accommodating and quick in your response. Fry1989 eh? 17:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Secrete Moosage
Redrose? (shh) You have a secret message waiting for you on Paine's talk page. – PAINE ELLSWORTH C L I M A X ! 20:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Doctor Who AI
Hi, I was wondering if one of your sources had the AI figures for Genesis of the Daleks. I used the Shannon Sullivan site, which came into question at GAN, and while that would probably be okay a backup source would be better. Thanks, Glimmer721 talk 00:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- See #Genesis of the Daleks above. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
A couple Dr Who merchandise treats for your perusal
In our continuing celebrations of this 50th anniversary year I thought pass these links on for your enjoyment. First is this print [6] by Al Hirschfeld. Copies of this were available for a short period of time back in the late 80s or early 90s. Sadly my budget didn't stretch to it at the time. Next is this gem [7]. If you zoom in on some of the pics you'll see Leela and Bessie among many others. The Master seems to be a mix of Delgado - mostly - and Ainley - the costume. I did get to play it once. Unfortunately, it was on a business trip to Minneapolis so I didn't get enough time to get used to the way it combined any Dr Who storylines with its gameplay. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 20:02, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Hello RedRose, I know you've helped me in the past so I was wondering if I could call on you again at the above link. While editing the sandbox I noticed a few duplicate and seemingly unused fields doing something similar to the field I am requesting you remove and one that is made redundant by an existing field which seems to have replaced it, so seems to be left over code which I have also removed from the sandbox version. Thanks for reading. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 09:47, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks RedRose. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Question about modifying William C Rader's Page that got denied
training and talkback
I responded on my talk page. Thanks!--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 16:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Kitty McGeever
Daybreak broadcast a special segment of ITV's "From the Heart" season live from the Emmerdale set because of McGeever's illness. Is that not a reliable enough source for you? Smurfmeister (talk) 19:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- A life-threatening illness is a serious matter. If we mention it, we must do so in a manner that is not only truthful, but verifiable and neutral. Can you give a citation that uses a reliable source and also satisfies the policy on living persons, the policy on verifiability, the policy on neutrality and the policy on original research? If your answer to any of those is "no", then I'm afraid that you can't. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:33, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
"A life-threatening illness is a serious matter". Oh, is it? Well thank you for pointing thst out. All this time I've been sitting laughing uncontrollably over it. Silly me. Smurfmeister (talk) 11:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Euston
Yeah I was well aware of that, I just didn't want to clutter it up with unnecessary text and just went with what the station screens now say. What you've done now is better. Thanks. Tom walker (talk) 19:55, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
infoboxes nepal
hi,
thanks a lot for fixing the infobox error. --Soman (talk) 15:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Got it
I know where I picked up the soft hyphen! – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 00:50, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Re: Interlanguage links on Arabic Wikipedia
Ok, I'll. I'm so sorry for any nuisance I caused.--Avocato (talk) 09:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Doesn't bother me - I'm just working through Category:Wikipedia references cleanup and only change the text where syntactically etc. incorrect. John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Sun 02:05, wikitime= 18:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for help
Hi, thanks for help on British Rail DP2! The "half" thing will stick in my mind now :-) But as for times, BR expresses times as HH.MM, as evidenced in the primary reference for the article. Sure, the MOS may say "HH:MM", but (and this is important), the time expressed in standard BR format is a part of the name of the service. So, for example: 22.50 Edinburgh - King's Cross is the name of a service preceded by its scheduled time, but 22:50 Edinburgh – King's Cross is emphatically not, and simply lists a time, followed by the general name of a service which may have been scheduled to leave at another time. HTH! --Rfsmit (talk) 01:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've taken this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Format of train times. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:26, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
HTML error on interwiki link
I was just poking into this, and see the problem. Template:Bug — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gadget850 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 4 March 2013
- I've used the "Edit links" link on dozens of articles with spaces in the name, see d:Special:Contributions/Redrose64, and it's never caused a problem. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- It works because browsers use a looser spec, but technically it is invalid, thus the W3C reports the error. not a huge issue, but one of those nagging bugs that gets in the way a bit when you have real validation issues. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:56, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- And there is a patch already. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
- It works because browsers use a looser spec, but technically it is invalid, thus the W3C reports the error. not a huge issue, but one of those nagging bugs that gets in the way a bit when you have real validation issues. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:56, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Re: Oxford meetup
Yes, unfortunately James and I both came down with food poisoning on Sunday morning, hope it went well and should be at Oxford 4. Best, - Jarry1250 [Vacation needed] 21:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Ears burning? I've mentioned you here...
Hello, Redrose64. You have a message mentioning you at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan's talk page. LittleBen (talk) 11:21, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
ANI
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 16:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thankyou very much! I really appreciate it - such a little thing, but I couldn't figure it out. All the best, Wikidea 13:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Brighton 1
Brighton 1 wikimeet has been scheduled for 28th April. A geonotice at the end of March would be appreciated. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 01:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Reversion of Wikipedia:Signatures
Would you care to explain your reversion of my edit to Wikipedia:Signatures? I am curious because as it sits right now, the contradiction in the wording of the renders the section absolutely useless. I started the revision process with Wikipedia:Consensus#Reaching_consensus_through_discussion in which three other people (Administrators) agreed that template substitution is acceptable with NO objections and therefor using templates in signatures is NOT forbidden. I then proceeded to WP:EDITCONCENSUS. You reverted my edit, you left a simple edit summary that there was no consensus, you left no discussion about it on the linked discussion topic. If you have useful insight to offer on the discussion page, I encourage you do so and would not be as offended by your blunt personal attack against me. — T13 ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 19:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- As a side, I don't mind you changing my signatures on your personal pages; however, as a preemptive note, please don't change my signature anywhere else. I have gone through and made them confirm to consensus as per WP:SIG and my extra link is permitted as it is not disruptive within the limits of WP:SIG#DL. Thank you. — T13 ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended ) 19:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- From the time that you raised the thread to the time that you altered the wording based on "consensus" was one hour eleven minutes, at which point just three others had expressed an opinion. This is by no means sufficient to form WP:CONSENSUS; a minimum of seven days is normal except when opinion is so numerous and one-sided that WP:SNOW applies.
- What is this "blunt personal attack" to which you allude? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:41, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Infobox settlement Chile
Hi Redrose64,
I would appreciate to know your opinion in the case of merging {{Infobox settlement Chile}}
to {{Infobox settlement}}
as proposed in {{Infobox settlement/sandbox}}
. The discussion is in Template_talk:Infobox_settlement#Infobox_settlement_Chile. Feel free to ask more information that isn't given in the discussion.
--Best regards, Keysanger (what?) 18:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Your account on Urdu Wiki
Hi Redrose, Sorry for late reply. Now you can login in Urdu Wikipedia. Good luck. Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 05:33, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, I have set up a user page; now, I had a list of interlanguage links that needed fixing - I need to find that again. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:12, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- :) Muhammad Shuaib (talk) 09:31, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
wiki page on Georgia is woefully dated and needs immediate updating
wiki page on Georgia is woefully dated and needs immediate updating
Edit request on 14 March 2013 This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.
On October 4th 2012 a major victory was achieved by opposition forces against President Mikheil Saakashvili, and Ivanishvili's Dream Team swept into Parliament with a triumphant majority. Major institutional changes have been ongoing since this election victory. Media freedoms, abolishment of prison abuses, and higher paid health care workers, have resulted in just a few months since the turnover of the government to the new administration.
Popeadrian (talk) 09:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- Not done: this is the talk page for communicating with the user Popeadrian (talk · contribs). Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:44, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Popeadrian (talk) 13:03, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
- I presume that you have a problem with the article Georgia (country). Please raise your concerns at its talk page, which is Talk:Georgia (country). --Redrose64 (talk) 13:11, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
WP:RPP
I left the requests there just moments before. Should I remove them or do they need to be logged? Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 18:14, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
- To be safe, I've signed them off. That way, if there are any complaints, they know to come to me. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:21, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Merseyrail
The opening para is just plain wrong The article is about Merseyrail the physical system not a train operating company. The train company employees (you can tell them a mile off) are free to make your own article on an operating company and leave the article for lay people to understand. They write in rail-buff language. There are train forums for them and they can talk in their own language there - wiki is not the place for that language. The average reader doesn't understand that. The very first words in the article are about a train operating company - which is nonsense. The network is partially underground, which a reader needs to know in the opening para. That is not there. They keep taking it out for some strange reason. It gets worse, someone is also introducing acronyms. Good writers avoid these as they confuse the lay reader. Many of the reverters and vandalisers have a plain attitude problem - Liv3erp00l is the worse. They work in the rail industry so think they know it all. If they came out with something correct, structured, informative and fluently written I would be with them. But they haven't and can't - most of it is bordering on childish writing spattered with "and's" and "it's" instead of the the title of what they are writing about. The opening para I changed to reflect what the physical network is and also mentioned the train operating company pointing to its own section. I never removed any content merely adding info and structuring it properly. It was perfect (I do technical writing for a living). Just because a few train-buffs with little idea of writing gang up does not mean they are right. A consensus on lies is still lies.
Wiki has become as sort of joke. If you mention anything from wiki people laugh. I have written about 1/4 quarter of the Merseyrail article over time (it was a joke at one stage) and attempted to spruce up the rest without distorting content. Wiki is not a buddies club. 94.194.21.227 (talk) 09:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- and this is the wrong place to discuss the article Merseyrail. Please discuss at Talk:Merseyrail, paying careful attention to WP:TPG and WP:NPA. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- You told me to take it here in a PM.94.194.21.227 (talk) 11:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- When? What is a PM? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- Their talk page warning. Btw, PM means Personal Message\Private Message. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 13:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oh. Well, I still think that issues affecting Merseyrail should be discussed at Talk:Merseyrail. We also have a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#The difference between commuter rail and metro\rapid transit and I don't see any need for a third. But going round making statements like "if you are arguing for x you must be an employee of y", without a shred of evidence; or calling other users "dumb" or "unable to write" is just not on. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:46, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- How are you going stop nutballs? Some are quite dumb and clearly cannot write but insist on getting their way. One on the Merseyrail article is obsessed with a train operating company and cannot differentiate between the physical network and company. Fact is fact. It is like reading a 10 year old at times. I know a rail worker when he writes - full of rail buff language.188.223.113.80 (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Ah, so this was you, then. I did wonder. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- How are you going stop nutballs? Some are quite dumb and clearly cannot write but insist on getting their way. One on the Merseyrail article is obsessed with a train operating company and cannot differentiate between the physical network and company. Fact is fact. It is like reading a 10 year old at times. I know a rail worker when he writes - full of rail buff language.188.223.113.80 (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oh. Well, I still think that issues affecting Merseyrail should be discussed at Talk:Merseyrail. We also have a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#The difference between commuter rail and metro\rapid transit and I don't see any need for a third. But going round making statements like "if you are arguing for x you must be an employee of y", without a shred of evidence; or calling other users "dumb" or "unable to write" is just not on. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:46, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- Their talk page warning. Btw, PM means Personal Message\Private Message. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 13:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- When? What is a PM? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- You told me to take it here in a PM.94.194.21.227 (talk) 11:44, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Should BigScribe be informed about the investigation? Simply south...... eating shoes for just 7 years 20:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- You mean this? That's really down to Lukeno94 (talk · contribs) who filed it; but sometimes it's intentional that the suspected sock isn't notified. I don't know if that's the case here. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Talkback: you've got messages!
{{Talkback|Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)|Looking for a table guru...|ts=by Theopolisme at 14:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)}}
Jaffa Cakes
I'm not at all sure you're right about the train livery being derived from the colour of the biscuit when divided. I shall have to carry out extensive research to verify this issue. I'm just opening the packet now: this could take some time. Britmax (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- You do know there is a debate as to whether the Jaffa Cake is a biscuit! Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 17:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
West Stanley railway station
Hi! Much as though I agree with your technical point of history that all of the stations on the Stanhope and Tyne Railway were built by the North Eastern Railway (UK), the way that the local station article are organised in County Duham is that they are put in a category for that line. Hence your continual and repetive reverts are frankly in total contradicton to the apparent local preference, created by Lamberhurst - which is why I created the category in the first place. Rgds - Trident13 (talk) 00:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- I made four reverts - two each to two different articles. Of these four, one was a partial revert; but for each article, the two reverts were not the same. One was an infobox parameter, the other was a category, over fifteen hours later. Therefore my reverts were neither continual nor repetitive.
- The two stations in question (Annfield Plain and West Stanley) are not even on the Stanhope & Tyne; they are on deviation lines built by the NER in the 1880s and 1890s. As you well know, the S&T had long since ceased to exist as a separate company some decades earlier.
- Why should Co. Durham be any different to the rest of the country? Throughout the rest of the UK it is the practice that the
|original=
holds the name of the company which opened the station - i.e. the station's original company - and that the "Former xxx stations" category either matches the|original=
where there are sufficient articles to justify a category, or where there are not, the "Former xxx stations" category is that of a successor company. - I have invited Lamberhurst (talk · contribs), being directly named by yourself, to comment. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- First of all, I should apologise if my approach to the template has given rise to problems. Not being (by any means) an expert on County Durham, I took out my Cobb atlas and sought to create a list of the stations in the county, just as has been done, for example, in Oxfordshire and Northumberland. This involves arranging stations by line in an west/east, north/south order. As the maximum number of possible rows in infoboxes is capped at 20, this means that there may be some "cohabitation" in that stations on spurs, loops or deviations from the principal line are grouped with the stations on that line. In the case of County Durham, the 20 limit has been reached and I judged it more useful to group the Annfield Deviation stations with the S&T, rather than put them into "other". Please move them if either of you believe that would be better. Another solution could be to insert the names of the deviation lines below "Stanhope and Tyne" in the infobox. Lamberhurst (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thankyou, now in the case of stations like Annfield Plain and West Stanley - see page history - there are now three areas of contention (the third being the routebox), so which way should it lie? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:48, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've now modified the infobox to show the Annfield stations separately. Other issues: (1) the Annfield stations should be within the former NER stations category, as that was the company which opened them; and (2) the routeboxes for those stations should show "Annfield Diversion" as the line but in the absence of an article, it could be piped to S&T. Anything else? Lamberhurst (talk) 20:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thankyou, now in the case of stations like Annfield Plain and West Stanley - see page history - there are now three areas of contention (the third being the routebox), so which way should it lie? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:48, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- First of all, I should apologise if my approach to the template has given rise to problems. Not being (by any means) an expert on County Durham, I took out my Cobb atlas and sought to create a list of the stations in the county, just as has been done, for example, in Oxfordshire and Northumberland. This involves arranging stations by line in an west/east, north/south order. As the maximum number of possible rows in infoboxes is capped at 20, this means that there may be some "cohabitation" in that stations on spurs, loops or deviations from the principal line are grouped with the stations on that line. In the case of County Durham, the 20 limit has been reached and I judged it more useful to group the Annfield Deviation stations with the S&T, rather than put them into "other". Please move them if either of you believe that would be better. Another solution could be to insert the names of the deviation lines below "Stanhope and Tyne" in the infobox. Lamberhurst (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Railway services by year of introduction
I just added talk pages and one category to your Category:Railway services by year of introduction. Besides that, I added one other line to one of your categories. Keep 'em coming. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 16:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Ah, you mean Category:Railway services introduced in 1973 and this edit? Fine, that's the idea. I had found that these articles were indiscriminately in "19xx introductions" or "19xx in rail transport", so my first object was to put them all into both - I quickly realised that a category structure was the most efficient means. Then I intend to go through categories like Category:Named passenger trains of the United States and pop the relevant "Railway services introduced in 19xx" into each article. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Good, because I just created three others as well. I can do more, but I have to go someplace in real life and wait until I come back home. So if you don't beat me to the ones I'm thinking of doing, I'll just try for some others when I get home. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
infobox museum
see here if you have a chance. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Brighton and Oxford meetups
These are not appearing in the banner yet. Are they still in the queue? Thanks Philafrenzy (talk) 19:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, see meta:User:Redrose64, but both are more than four weeks off. There were complaints last August/September about some geonotices going up too early. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- OK. There is also a Glasgow 1 in May. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Queued]. I'll promote Brighton to MediaWiki:Geonotice.js this Sunday, Oxford next Sunday, and Glasgow the Sunday after.
- Have a look at meta:Meetup/Nottingham/1. There's something funny going on there; it seems to be an attempt to set up a cross-project redirect, but they don't work. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- OK. There is also a Glasgow 1 in May. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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Liverpool-Blackpool line
I note your reversal of my edit in January, and can clearly see why you did it. Surely though to the layman Lime Street is the final stop of this line and is the terminus? I can't fathom putting it in order of the final train that doesn't make sense. It's not that important just an observation. Babydoll9799 (talk) 18:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Ah, but that's the point: Liverpool Lime Street isn't the final stop. Having arrived there from Blackpool, the train reverses and then continues to Liverpool South Parkway, where it terminates. See Table 90, page 12, where several trains - such as the 09:04 from Preston and the 09:37 from Blackpool North - are given the footnote marker J, which means "To Liverpool South Parkway". Similarly on page 2 of the same timetable, where several trains - such as the 10:57 and 11:57 from Liverpool Lime Street - are given the footnote marker B, which means "From Liverpool South Parkway". The portion between Liverpool Lime Street and Liverpool South Parkway is shown on Table 91. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
query
what to write for indian railways wikiproject? please tell me as u have just answered me.
also can u tell me why 1- for wikiproject mumbai i have to write Template:User wikiProject Mumbai?
2- for wikiproject Trains i have to write Template:User Trains wikiproject? why not
This user is a participant in the Trains WikiProject. |
did not work?
- I don't know of a userbox for WikiProject Indian railways.
- The userboxes are templates, and template names are like article names - they must be entered exactly right: the order of the words is just as important as the spelling and capitalisation. If you get them wrong, you probably won't get the template at all, but a redlink - as in all of your examples above. Please note the correct forms:
{{User WikiProject Mumbai}}
and{{User Trains WikiProject}}
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Chug chug chug
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Thought I'd be the latest to award this, for your tireless work on this subject area. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC) |
- Thanks - but it's not the first, see User:Redrose64#Awards. I think that there's another, somewhere in my talkpage archives, that I forgot to move over. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Gah, I'll change the message to suit then :P Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Category:Articles with incorrect citation syntax
When you added the css that shows Lua citation errors to User:Redrose64/common.css you also seem to have added yourself to Category:Articles with incorrect citation syntax. I presume that that was not your intent.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. It wasn't intentional; I had assumed that anything inside
/* ... */
would be ignored. I forgot that the MediaWiki parser does get to work on it, which is why{{db-u1}}
works on user CSS and JS pages. Anyway, now fixed. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:53, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Commons:Template:Distinguish
Hi, Could you take a look at this problem with the Template:Distinguish that's used for categories in Commons? For some reason, when there are only 2 parameters, it gives an error code, see: template and error. Thanks very much! --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- I think that this edit should fix it. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- TYVM!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Changes to your comments in VPT archive
Hi Redrose64,
I've just tweaked a comment you made in the archived VPT discussion on {{CDD}}, after Werieth expressed concerns that your comment caused the page to appear in an NFCC violations report. Please see the archive's talk page for more detail. Thanks. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 21:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've fixed it up to be non-copyright yet retain the original intent. However, I'm now concerned about a different edit to the same archive - see Wikipedia talk:Village pump (technical)/Archive 108#Mangled threads. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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Possible help situation
Hello R. I hope that you are enjoying the new episodes of the Doctor. Since you do so much good work with UK railway articles I an wondering if you can help with a response to this User talk:Old_Moonraker#File:Fishplate_on Bluebell Railway.jpg_missing_description_details notice that popped up on my watchlist today. Old Moonraker has not edited here since last August and wont see the message. As I've said before I know nothing about the ins and outs of dealing with the rules for pics. Since this one is used in 4 articles if it can be saved that would be nice. There is no obligation of course. Cheers and have a great week. MarnetteD | Talk 10:35, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've notified Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Images task force. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks
For watching my TP. But you might wanna check this guy out... mildly bizarre to say the least but probably a good laugh down the pub, in small doses. Basket Feudalist 12:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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Namespace line breaks
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okay now. Mr T(Talk?) 06:54, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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Similar editing habits of two users
I don't know which is the correct forum for this. There are two users Baastow1 (talk · contribs) and Eemid (talk · contribs) who have recently made very similar edits to the same page - Baastow1's edit and Eemid's edit. They have both made similar edits on several other pages, but so far, not to the same page, other than Wikipedia talk:Redirect. What should be done, if anything? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- Um.. Hi :) Unless something drastically changed recently WP:SPI is the way to go for this. You can use WP:TW if you have it installed to make it easier (under ARV tab) to report. gwickwiretalkediting 14:54, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I did consider SPI early on, but their edits seem misguided rather than malicious. Anyway, filed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Baastow1. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
CheckUser
Need CheckUser — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slimyrasp2 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- I take it that this is in relation to an open WP:SPI case. I cannot do this, for three reasons: (i) I don't have the checkuser right; (ii) you should make your comments on the actual SPI case; (iii) I don't know to whom you are referring. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- I usually enjoy tropical fruit, but not in this form. —DoRD (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Heya there, I saw you removed the two (minor) Helen Flanagan appearances from her Filmography. This was actually subject of a debate I had with another user. He/she wanted it in the Filmography section. Please see the talk page where we can discuss it further. Note Mrs Flanagan is of no interest to me I was just trying to help this IP user as they were having trouble with the markup. Cheers — MusikAnimal talk 19:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
- Responded at Talk:Helen Flanagan. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Good catch
Hello R. Good job at reverting the edits at The Horror of Fang Rock. regarding the OR I can categorically state that it is incorrect. Even though I saw it in analog on a 36 inch TV screen (sheesh it almost feels like the TV might have been made of stone ala The Flintstone's now) you could see the contacts that Louise wore were brown - along with how she blinked with the discomfort of wearing them. Then after the explosion plot point the blue of her eyes was quite apparent. I hope that you are enjoying the new episodes and I really hope that they show An Adventure in Time and Space over here on the same day that you get to see it. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 22:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Horror of Fang Rock was one that I saw first time around - but at that time, my parents' TV was still black-and-white - they didn't get a colour TV until about 1978. But I've watched stories like The Talons of Weng-Chiang where the brown is obvious. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:56, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
banner for Wikipedia
hi is there aa Wikipedia banner similer to [8] it is for the new main page desgn at User:Paladox2014/Main Page and could you change a code at User:Paladox2014/common.css so that it hides all my userspaces but not articles please Paladox2014 (talk) 20:26, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- Have you tried one of the links shown at Help:Contents? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- no but I tried searching for similer one Paladox2014 (talk) 12:04, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- I see that you have been sent a Teahouse invitation. I suggest that you try asking there, they specialise in the assistance of new editors. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- ok Paladox2014 (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- I see that you have been sent a Teahouse invitation. I suggest that you try asking there, they specialise in the assistance of new editors. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- no but I tried searching for similer one Paladox2014 (talk) 12:04, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
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RDT figure in WP:VPT
Hi Redrose, I feel sorry if my sample RDT in WP:VPT has insulted you. At that time when I made that map, I was trying to mix all widths of icons that fits nicely from previous row, and my intention was to show you that I have not removed the possibility of mixing widths. Again that was not my intention to map the finger, and I feel sorry for causing any misinterpretation. — Peterwhy 17:46, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Swayfield
Hi. I noticed you fixed a cite on Westville, Lincolnshire. There is a similar one in Swayfield Ext links that I'd be grateful if you could fix - this type of set citation formula is completely opaque to me. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 00:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
- Fixed, see here - maps should use
{{cite map}}
, not{{cite book}}
; and some parameters were either misused or did not exist. The sheet number is part of the title, so I moved it accordingly; the|section=
parameter (which is part of{{cite map}}
, but not{{cite book}}
) is for showing the map reference (or some other identifier for the map square, like A4) - in an OS map, the grid reference SK994226 is best put here. In both templates, the|ref=
parameter is not displayed, it is used for constructing links. My edit has got all the information to display, but there are still some minor issues. The|publisher=
should be Ordnance Survey, not OSGB. The link given in the|url=
parameter takes you to the publisher's sales page, but it should link to a viewable copy of the map concerned (see documentation for|url=
). The rest seem fine. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
A Barnstar for you
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Edit request
Hi! Could you add a relief map to Template:Location map USA Massachusetts by inserting |image1=Relief map of USA Massachusetts.png
in line 8? Thank you in advance! Michael! (talk) 12:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Chorlton-cum-Hardy
Would you please have a look at the problem in this article; as much of the content has been contributed by myself the problem needs loking at from another direction. Apart from the tags in the lead there is a much longer term need. Andrew Simpson's history of C-c-H since about 1845 was published last year but the historical content of the article was all compiled before his research had been finished.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- What problem? This one? That's the only edit that I've ever made to that page. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am sorry; no problem with your contribution.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:16, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Race to the North
Following North British, Arbroath and Montrose Railway I have made a major addition to "Race to the North". Since you helped out at NBA&MR and commented knowledgeably on its talk page about RTTN, when you have time could you look over Race to the North and see what needs doing? I still have my library books if anything needs looking up again. Thincat (talk) 13:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Template include size is exceeded
see here. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the small text
That wasn't deliberate, I don't understand the Wikicode there. --occono (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's really HTML, not Wiki markup;
<small>
reduces the text size and</small>
puts it back to the previous size. If I put something like- Normal text
<small>
Small text<small>
Double-small</small>
back to small</small>
back to normal
- Normal text
- it looks like this:
- Normal text Small text Double-small back to small back to normal
- it's worse in navboxes, because the text size in those is already something like 88%-90% of normal size.
- Similarly,
<sup>
begins superscripted text, and</sup>
ends it again. <br>
(or<br />
which is equivalent) is a forced line break. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Cross-posting
I appreciate the note. I would have been happy to have linked the three posts myself with a less admonishing private message on my talk page. czar · · 18:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Protection Policy
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Ref errors
Gotcha. Redrose64, can you please tell me how the current references errors are handled? And if there is currently any plans to improve it? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:10, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you mean the error messages like Missing or empty
|title=
(help), these are produced within Module:Citation/CS1 and Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)- Those as well as the errors shown when {{Reflist}} is absent, or when the reftags are incorrectly used and other such errors, Redrose64. Are there any plans to change those errors? If not, who might be the best person to ask if I want to make them more descriptive? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- The error messages like MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references are stored in system pages like MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references, but I believe that the general discussion page is Help talk:Cite errors. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:31, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- Those as well as the errors shown when {{Reflist}} is absent, or when the reftags are incorrectly used and other such errors, Redrose64. Are there any plans to change those errors? If not, who might be the best person to ask if I want to make them more descriptive? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Queen Victoria's Journals
Just a heads-up in case you might be interested or know anybody else who might be:
Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Oxford/QueenVictoriasJournals
Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 19:29, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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Request
Hi, Redrose64. I noticed you're around right now and if you wouldn't mind, could please create an editnotice for User:AutomaticStrikeout/talk page stalkers that reads:
C'mon! You won't regret it! -AutomaticStrikeout ? 14:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry to waste your time with this, but as far as I know, only admins and accountcreators can create editnotices for user subpages. AutomaticStrikeout ? 14:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I took the liberty of creating the edit notice you requested here. Please let me know if it suits your expectations and if there is anything I can do to improve it for you. Pardon the small changes I incorporated per general thoughts on copy-editing. Now I suppose I'll sign your guestbook. My76Strat (talk) 14:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, My76Strat! AutomaticStrikeout ? 14:49, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, Thank you My76Strat! I was indeed busy, trying to clear Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags which this time yesterday had about 1700 pages in it. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Nice work! AutomaticStrikeout ? 16:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I even surprised myself. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- You surprised me as well- Gnowangerup, Western Australia! Ning-ning (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I even surprised myself. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Nice work! AutomaticStrikeout ? 16:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, Thank you My76Strat! I was indeed busy, trying to clear Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags which this time yesterday had about 1700 pages in it. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, My76Strat! AutomaticStrikeout ? 14:49, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Persepolis
Hi! I think there is no reason to block users from editing in the following page. As so, Persepolis F.C. have some edits previous days I know but there's normal. When a club decided to change their coach, Somebody edited it that I see in Manchester United, Inter Milan, Barcelona and etc. pages. I asked you to free the page, if you can. Thanks. Tabarez (talk) 11:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm the wrong person to ask, since I didn't protect the page. Requests for page unprotection should be made at WP:RFPP. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Susan Foreman
Good edit on the Susan Foreman page regarding her appearance in The Name of the Doctor. I agree about the character "presumably" being Susan since the body-double was the same height and hair style. My question is about the sentence being original research. Do you have any suggestions how to avoid, improve, or edit the OR? Thanks.Docob5 (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's best to provide a reliable third-party source which explicitly states that Susan was the character that we see from the rear only. The decent writeup in the Telegraph completely fails to mention that the Doctor wasn't alone when he was "pilfering the spaceship". There's an item in Radio Times stating "with his granddaughter Susan" but I'm not sure that it's enough. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
SBN numbers
Hello Redrose64, I hope this is the right place to take up your offer of advice, please tell me if not. I came across one of your sweepings up last night which said something like ISBNs are preferred to SBNs, with which I agree. This must have been to do with Dow's "Great Central" which is my only book with an SBN. I have it in front of me and I can only see an SBN, how do I get from that to an ISBN? Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 08:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's easy; the ISBN system is an expansion of the SBN system, using 10 digits instead of 9, and any SBN can be converted to a ISBN merely by adding a zero at the start. It's mentioned at the documentation for the
|isbn=
parameter.- Dow, George (1959). Great Central, Volume One: The Progenitors, 1813-1863. Shepperton: Ian Allan. ISBN 0 7110 1468 X.
{{cite book}}
: Invalid|ref=harv
(help) - Dow, George (1962). Great Central, Volume Two: Dominion of Watkin, 1864-1899. Shepperton: Ian Allan. ISBN 0 7110 1469 8.
{{cite book}}
: Invalid|ref=harv
(help) - Dow, George (1965). Great Central, Volume Three: Fay Sets the Pace, 1900-1922. Shepperton: Ian Allan. ISBN 0 7110 0263 0.
{{cite book}}
: Invalid|ref=harv
(help)
- Dow, George (1959). Great Central, Volume One: The Progenitors, 1813-1863. Shepperton: Ian Allan. ISBN 0 7110 1468 X.
- As you can see, SBN 7110 1468 X has become ISBN 0 7110 1468 X. ISBNs are preferred over SBNs for several reasons, but mainly because the MediaWiki software incorporates code to detect an ISBN and create a link to Special:BookSources, as demonstrated in the previous sentence. It knows nothing of SBNs however; possibly because they were not used outside the UK, possibly because they were replaced by ISBNs about 40 years ago.
- You will see ISBNs where the digit groups are separated by spaces, or by hyphens, or where all the digits are run together. It doesn't matter which you use, they all work the same - the separation is purely for human readability. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Why do people always answer questions with links.
We do not read encyclopedias on here. Sometimes we just want a simple answer. Its crazy what people use to answer. You ask what they meant and they send you a definition of the word, rather than just saying for "a la": "in this way". I appreciated your help, but I don't appreciate having to read a whole article to get an answer!
TheUnknownNinjaNN2 (talk) 05:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks!
For deducing the cause there. Yeah, a change in a subtemplate and the job queue explains everything... including the range of ages we were seeing in the sandboxes that showed up. Much appreciated! --j⚛e deckertalk 15:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Editnotice for Fallon Fox
The pronoun changes have continued, and I'm loath to request any form of protection for an article that was already (needlessly, IMHO) fully protected for almost a month. Often with these articles the people changing the pronouns simply haven't thought about whether Wikipedia might already have a policy on the topic, so it occurs to me that throwing up an {{MOS-TW}} editnotice might dissuade some of them. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 01:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- Done. I was unable to use
{{MOS-TW}}
directly, so I've put its text into a{{editnotice}}
, see Template:Editnotices/Page/Fallon Fox. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Talkback
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A barnstar for you!
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
For connecting the dots on that sock - I seriously have no idea how I missed that. Rschen7754 08:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC) |
- Thank you He shot himself in the foot with that
{{unblock-auto}}
--Redrose64 (talk) 09:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
This time it's mybad
I knew I had forgotten something. I am so sorry, but for I also meant to add the Printworthy redirects category, like so...
{{Redr|move|related|printworthy|protected}}
Please add it in, and thank you so much! – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 18:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
- OK, Done --Redrose64 (talk) 18:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
- That was fast! You don't need a star – you are a star!-) – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 18:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Your block
When blocking Citation bot, did you happen to notice that the operator is on a wikibreak due to limited net access? User:Smith609 might appreciate a gentle advisory by email. Cheers, LeadSongDog come howl! 04:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. It seems that Martin's aware, see User talk:Addshore#Bot flag. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:45, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
- Excellent. Thank you.LeadSongDog come howl! 21:21, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
So how do I report an error on {{cite doi}}?
- linked-to error page is deprecated, and the alternative you now have blocked.
Basically, I am trying to create a citation for {{cite doi|10.1093/ref:odnb/8634|noedit}} . This does exist, and the bot goes through the motions but fails on writing. I suspect that it is having two "/" which might throw it. Or maybe the template's not actually working right now. John of Cromer in transit (talk) mytime= Fri 14:42, wikitime= 13:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- When you say "the bot goes through the motions but fails on writing", what messages are you getting? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
This is what the bot does:
Expanding 'Template:Cite doi/10.1093.2Fref:odnb.2F8634'; will commit edits. Revision #423 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------[00:00:00] Processing page 'Template:Cite doi/10.1093.2Fref:odnb.2F8634' — edit—history * Looking for bare references... * Tidying reference tags... - No references found. - No references found. *-> 1: Tidy citation and try to expand - Checking CrossRef for more details [DOItools.php/expand_from_crossref] + title: The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography + year: 2004 (ok) - Searching PubMed... no results. nothing found. 2: DOI already present 3: Find PMID & expand - No changes since last PubMed search. 4: Expand citation - Checking CrossRef for more details [DOItools.php/expand_from_crossref] (ok) - No changes since last PubMed search. 5: Formatting and other tweaks First: Cite Doi formatting - Looking for co-authors & page numbers... -*Looking for more authors @ http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/8634: - Using meta tags... - Now scraping web-page. No author specified (sorting parameters) *** Complete. Citation assessed in 3 secs. Add: title, year. Writing to Template:Cite doi/10.1093.2Fref:odnb.2F8634 ... Edit may have failed. Retrying: xxx Still no good. One last try: Failed. Error code: BLOCKED: This bot has been blocked from editing. history / last edit End of output # # #
Maybe you blocked more than error reporting? John of Cromer in transit (talk) mytime= Fri 18:41, wikitime= 17:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- The message "Error code: BLOCKED: This bot has been blocked from editing" is clear: the bot wanted to make the change but cannot do so because it is blocked. I don't see why that means that I "blocked more than error reporting": I blocked Citation bot (talk · contribs). I did that because it has made a number of bad edits, which various people (not just myself) have been reporting as bugs, and those bug reports have been going largely unanswered and unaddressed. I alerted WP:BON to the issue.
- Alternative methods of using Citation bot do exist, they are described at User:Citation bot/use and I strongly urge you to verify the edit before saving, to make sure that you are not going to make the same mistakes that have resulted in the bot's block. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- These days I'm limited to one-hour sessions in the library, and that {{citation bot}} was too heavy to fathom in the time. Meanwhile though, it seems to have done something - either in background, or the wikifairy did it. John of Cromer in transit (talk) mytime= Mon 18:50, wikitime= 17:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Question about redirects being counted in some categories
Greetings, I noticed that among the comments I didn't agree with Revent points to one problem that I think might be worthwhile to look into. He says that tagging the biographies as redirects adds the redirect to Category:Biography articles without listas parameter, which also flags it as a 'biography article needing attention' and as 'wikipedia template parameter issues'. If these are true then I think we should try and do something to sort that out. Would it be possible to modify the coding of the template to not count redirects towards the Biography articles without listas parameter category? Kumioko (talk) 17:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think that should be done. Given that
{{WikiProject Biography}}
doesn't use|class=redir
, any time that is used the talk page ends up in Category:NA-Class biography articles. If you look in that category for Talk: pages (not User talk: or File talk: pages), you'll see that the vast majority are sorted by surname - if you check, you'll find that in each case, the|listas=
has been set on the{{WikiProject Biography}}
. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:18, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Talkback
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Thanks. Thane formerly Guðsþegn (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Same-sex marriage
Hello, You intervened on the talk page a couple of times on, if I read you correctly, my side of an argument about date formats. Our interlocutor has not come back again on the talk page but has now once again reverted the article itself to an inconsistent format in the table, with an edit summary describing my edit as "idiotic". Would you be interested in pursuing this? I don't want to transgress 3RR. -- Alarics (talk) 06:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Hope he/she takes more notice of you as an admin than he/she does of me. -- Alarics (talk) 11:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)
Sincerest apologies; fat fingers and bleary eyes. - TB (talk) 10:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Citation bot
Hi, I unblocked Citation bot, as the reason you blocked was apparently resolved. Please don't hesitate to re-block without consulting me if any problems persist. Thanks. --Closedmouth (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
47/4 and 47/8 on British Rail Class 47
This is a tricky one. The other editor is absolutely correct - the long range 47s were always officially 47/4s (474AX) but that's hellishly difficult to source. The only way you could probably do it is to find (a) an official BR memo or document (b) a TOPS report for 474AX which contains 47/8s, or (c) a 47/8 data panel. The latter should be fairly easy to find (indeed, you could go out and take a photo of one now) except that BR often stopped putting "Class 47/4" or any other locomotive subclass on data panels; they often showed simply "Class 47". Of course, this is exacerbated by the fact that many sources refer to the batch as "47/8" purely because of their numbering system. As I say, tricky... Black Kite (talk) 18:38, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
- Aha - 47828 data panel, taken in 1999 - [9] (taken from this page). Black Kite (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
NR managed stations
Comparing the two revisions [10][11], the difference appears to be the removal of Gatwick Airport railway station from the list. —Sladen (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly so; I have copies of Commercial_Information.pdf (or its equivalent) for every six-monthly revision going back to December 2006. Gatwick Airport was last shown as managed by Network Rail with the December 2011 edition - the May 2012 states that there are 17 managed stations. The relevant page number changed from 41 to 43 with the May 2013 edition (due to two extra pages in the "What's New" section). I hadn't freshened the ref earlier, because the existing ref did support the text of the articles: 18 managed stations. But when I was going through my watchlist (I'm up to edits made Monday 3 June), I noticed that 86.174.123.158 (talk) had been systematically altering 18 to 17, without updating the ref, so rather than revert, I was going around all 18 stations, freshening up the refs. I only had St Pancras and Gatwick left to do, but I saw that the ref in the article as it stood was broken - so I went back through the edits to see where it broke - which turned out to be your edit. I wished to work from a clean version, which meant reverting your edit and then carrying out the same edit that I had done on the first 16; unfortunately your revert got in the way. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Clowne South
Hello again. Please remind me how I put an "I am working on this" message on articles. You commented about avoiding "commentary", please give an example of "commentary" so I can strive to avoid it. You removed a link to the website 'Picture the Past', was that a casualty of general zapping or is it frowned upon to make such links? Dave DavidAHull (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
{{under construction}}
or{{inuse}}
- Commentary is where you write your own opinions into an article. Some examples:
Matters would be easier for historians if the stations had been called "Clowne South" and "Clowne and Barlborough" from the outset, but these clearly different names are relatively modern inventions.
A clear record of when this article's Clown became "Clowne South" has yet to be found, it is likely to have been between 1948 and 1951 when the recently formed British Railways renamed many stations across the country, for example the two "Bolsover" stations became "Bolsover South" and "Bolsover Castle".
Mentions are sometimes made of a connection between the two lines, which can lead people to to suppose services crossed between them.
- I removed the www.picturethepast.org.uk ref because it was associated with the following commentary, which I also removed:
On the attached photograph it is possible to make out both stations, but some effort is needed, given its quality.
- Also please note that putting comments like
which all maps and track plans confirm
orReferences are set out in that station's Wikipedia entry
does not satisfy WP:V; the second of these also breaches WP:CIRCULAR. - We are here to describe, in neutral terms, what other people have already written elsewhere, not to offer speculation regarding why something happened, or opinions on whether something was right or wrong. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- This is clear and helpful, thank you. DaveDavidAHull (talk) 22:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have (twice) removed a section titled "Ambiguity" - these are not normally used. Where any matters of potential confusion are not covered in the main text or a hatnote, both of which were already present in this article, a "See also" section may be appropriate, see MOS:APPENDIX. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
- This is clear and helpful, thank you. DaveDavidAHull (talk) 22:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Hyde Junction station
With your railway hat on, could you tell me when this station was renamed to Hyde North? (I am transcribing my mother's diary from 1933, when it was Hyde Junction, and she used it frequently to go rambling with her friends). Thanks John of Cromer in transit (talk) mytime= Fri 17:48, wikitime= 16:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- 17 September 1951. I've updated the infobox. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. My birthday! (not year) John of Cromer in transit (talk) mytime= Fri 18:40, wikitime= 17:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Help with a table
Hi Redrose64- I noticed that you have provided assistance on the Table Help page. I have posted a request for assistance on the talk page here and if you have a moment would appreciate any input you could provide. Thank you in advance--Godot13 (talk) 04:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
- Responded there. Please note that posting to WP:VPT will attract the attention of many more people than this user talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
"please don't use the ellipsis character" in Template:Tlg
See diff — What's wrong with it? --Patrick87 (talk) 00:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- I'd concur. Redrose, please could you explain your thinking… Ellipsis is not the same as three full-stops and so this change appears to be wrong. —Sladen (talk) 01:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- MOS:ELLIPSIS. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Technical Barnstar | |
Thank you for your assistance at Help talk:Citation Style 1, which is representative of your far-reaching work elsewhere as well. VQuakr (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC) |
Question about Template:WikiProect United States
Greetings Redrose, I hope you don't mind but I have a couple of questions about Template:WikiProject United States that I can't seem to figure out and I was hoping you might be willing to spare a couple minutes.
- First I am having some trouble getting the comments categories to work. None of them are generating to the article categories and I am sure there are a few with comments subpages.
- The second question relates to the File:Portal-puzzle.svg image that is displaying before the links to the logic for what portal an article is used on. It currently shows as a generic puzzle piece but I was wondering if it would be possible to make this reflect the Icon for the appropriate portal. Not sure if that's even possible but I thougtht I would ask.
Thanks in advance for the help. Kumioko (talk) 01:01, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Comments pages - in the form of talkpage subpages - have been discouraged for at least three years. The code in the
{{WPBannerMeta}}
group which handled comments was significantly modified in February 2012 although there is still provision for them. Comments subpages must have names of the form{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments
e.g.Talk:Barack Obama/Comments
. If you know of any such pages which exist, please note them here so I can trace through what is happening. - This, I believe relates to the five groups of code like
- Comments pages - in the form of talkpage subpages - have been discouraged for at least three years. The code in the
|note 1={{{portal1-name|}}} |NOTE_1_IMAGE = Portal-puzzle.svg |NOTE_1_TEXT = This {{pagetype|{{{class|}}}}} has been {{#if:{{{portal1-link|}}} |[[Portal:{{{portal1-name}}}/{{{portal1-link}}}|selected]] |selected }} for use on the [[Portal:{{{portal1-name}}}|{{ucfirst:{{{portal1-name}}}}} portal]]. |NOTE_1_CAT = {{#ifexist:Portal:{{{portal1-name}}}/{{{portal1-link|}}} |United States articles used on portals |United States articles with invalid parameters }}
- I suspect that you need to modify the second line of each group as follows
|NOTE_1_IMAGE = {{#ifexist:Template:Portal/Images/{{{portal1-name}}}|{{Portal/Images/{{{portal1-name}}}}}|Portal-puzzle.svg}}
- and similarly for the other four. That way, if (for example) a talk page has
|portal1-name=Alaska
, you'll get the contents of Template:Portal/Images/Alaska being used instead of Portal-puzzle.svg - You can check to see which portals have images set by looking at the list in the documentation of Template:Portal/Images - you may need to click the "purge" link to ensure it's up to date. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- and similarly for the other four. That way, if (for example) a talk page has
I just wanted to let you know I ran a query and there are only 58 articles at all that have a /Comments subpage as can be seen here. As such there aren't enough IMO to warrant having the logic in the template so I am going to just remove it from the template. Thanks again. Kumioko (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- That's a query on the main namespace. /comments pages were created in the talk namespace though, and there are still some 20,000 of those[12]. And as you can see at e.g. Talk:Virginia, the comments functionality of the US project tag seems to work, as it shows "This article has comments here." Fram (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Ah, I see your problem. Within the context of a WikiProject banner, comments pages are always subpages of the talk page. However, your list is of pages in article space; of those, three (1632 Comments, 1632 Slush Comments, April Fools' Day Request for Comments) cannot be comments pages because there is no slash in the names they are not subpages. Of the remainder, I've looked at the first twenty (down to Emma Watson/Comments), and every single one is a redirect. I suspect that these were misplaced comments pages at one time, but have been converted to redirects because articles may not have subpages. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Oxford meetup & WMUK membership newsletter
Hi, would you be willing to write a relatively short (~200 words) piece on Oxford Meetups for the Wikimedia UK's membership newsletter? To go out at the end of this month, I will be looking for something by 24th. If you are pressed for time, you can write a bullet list of points and we can put it into paragraphs for you. Thanks -- Katie Chan (WMUK) (talk) 10:28, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Problems with the sfn template
Hi, I have an annoying problem with Template:Sfn. I'm not sure where I can ask for help on this, but since you've edited the template documentation most recently I hope you can help me. Can you please take a look at Trebenna? No matter what I try, I can't get the Çevik 2005 links of the shortened footnotes in the References section to link to the full reference in the Sources section. I've observed that I can get it to work with the harvtxt template like in Nagidos, but I'd prefer the sfn template. Template:Sfn says:
Template {{harvnb}} inside a <ref> span can be used to create a Shortened footnotes that is linked to the full citation at the bottom of the article. Template {{sfn}} has the same effect and it also combines identical footnotes automatically.
Not sure if I understand correctly, but when I put the sfn template inside the ref tags it will give me an error message. Without the ref tags it doesn't give me an error but still doesn't link. I'd appreciate any help you could give me very much. --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 12:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- You need to supply all the lastnames (to a maximum of four), like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks a ton for your help! I now realize that I could have read this in the template's documentation if I had paid more attention. Possibly the documentation could explain it more easily, but I guess hours of non-stop Wikipedia activity had taken their toll on my attention span. --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Windermere: Barrow-In-Furness
I have undone your edit on the Windermere Railway Station article. At the moment there is a weekday service from Barrow-in-Furness to Windermere at 17:21 and arrives at 19:08. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thealexweb (talk • contribs) 16:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- When you write "an occasional service", this makes it sound like it could have been a charter, or a special due to problems elsewhere - either way, it seems like a one-off, so per WP:V, it needs a source. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have uploaded screenshots from Transpennine's app to Photobucket, showing services from Barrow-in-Furness and Preston. I will get you a screenshot of the Blackpool North service the next time it runs on Monday at about 10:30pm http://s117.photobucket.com/user/thealexweb/library/Windermere --Thealexweb (talk) 12:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- It still needs referencing in the article itself, using a WP:RS not a WP:SPS like photobucket. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Page 58 of NWR timetable 82. Not obvious, as it only shows the route to Lancaster and you need to check the key to see that the "E" in the column header stands for "continues to Windermere", but definitely there. – iridescent 15:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- It still needs referencing in the article itself, using a WP:RS not a WP:SPS like photobucket. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have uploaded screenshots from Transpennine's app to Photobucket, showing services from Barrow-in-Furness and Preston. I will get you a screenshot of the Blackpool North service the next time it runs on Monday at about 10:30pm http://s117.photobucket.com/user/thealexweb/library/Windermere --Thealexweb (talk) 12:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Vertical spacing
Thanks for the technical answer. But I don't see any difference between lists and non-lists with that. Perhaps I'm testing it wrong. I've added my examples to the MOS talk. Perhaps you can correct them? 86.121.18.17 (talk) 13:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Related, venue question
Is there some official place where I should solicit input regarding potential changes to the global CSS, as that vertical spacing issue might require? 86.121.18.17 (talk) 21:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
- MediaWiki Talk:Common.css or WP:VPT. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Station Previous/Next Boxes
Hello again. Thank you for sweeping up after me once more. Missing thet "Rotherham" defaulted to R Central was a daft mistake, given that I worked in Rotherham for several years. On to my latest tutorial request: 1. is there any convention which railway company to use? eg for Treeton BR, LMS, MR and NMR all apply. 2. what is the convention for "line closed"? re Treeton once again the line from Treeton part way to Masborough is open for freight and part way for passengers, but the whole way is "open"; could the Mas section be "Line open, station closed"? Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- Routeboxes concern passenger services, so the terms "closed" and "open" refer to the passenger facility. Thus, routes which still handle freight traffic but have no passenger service count as "closed". At Rotherham Masboro, there were two routes to the south - the one to Sheffield Midland still has a passenger service, so that's "open"; but the old North Midland line through Treeton has not had a passenger service for many years, so it's "closed".
- The middle box, specified by
|route=
normally shows the operating company at the top, in normal size type. Since operating companies changed over the years, the usual convention is to show the last pre-grouping operator, except for stations opened in 1923 or later, where we show the first operator. Below that, in<small>...</small>
type, is the name of the line - this is generally the name of the railway for whom the line was built. So, at stations like Treeton, the former LD&ECR service to Sheffield Midland should be shown with Great Central Railway on the upper line, and Sheffield District Railway below. - Associated with
|route=
is|col=
and this should be a template, selected from those in Category:Templates for UK railway line colours as in|col=
{{GCR colour}}
for the Great Central Railway. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC) - Thanks, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 09:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
London Necropolis Company
I have been bold and added this to WP:TFAR. Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 20:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've withdrawn it. Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 15:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Do you want to comment anything at WP:AN#Legal issues with London Necropolis Company? Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 15:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- No, thanks. All I know is what Iridescent (talk · contribs) emailed me. If Iri wishes to comment on that AN, that's fine by me; but it would be improper for me to do so. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Do you want to comment anything at WP:AN#Legal issues with London Necropolis Company? Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 15:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Passenger service over the Old Road
Hello, you're quick off the mark! On Eckington and Renishaw you've changed the previous/nexts from "Line open, station closed" to "Line and station closed" which has me baffled, as you've allowed the text about a few services each day (see psul 2012 on 'tinternet) going round that way. Doesn't that mean that the stretch of line from the site of Killamarsh West to Tapton Junction inclusive is "open", ie open for passengers? DaveDavidAHull (talk) 18:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- You added text 'with a handful of passenger trains going the "long way round" from Chesterfield to Sheffield via the Old Road largely to retain staff route knowledge in case of diversions', indeed; but you didn't source it (see WP:V). The most recent edition of
- shows the route from Woodhouse Junction to Tapton Junction in red, which means "freight only line". What is "psul 2012"? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- OK, I didn't source it, I must confess to taking it as common knowledge; mea culpa. If you put "psul 2012" into any search engine on the internet you get onto the site "Passenger Train Services over Unusual Lines", here's the link in full http://www.psul4all.free-online.co.uk/2012.htm I am disquieted that psul 2013 doesn't seem to be there, I hope the chap who has done this for some years is OK, but 2012 trumps 2010 Baker. I was casually confident about these trains because I've seen them set off from Chesterfield and talked to my Northern Rail conductor brother who explained the main rationale for running them that way. On to the wider question, if this counts as "open" would the correct box entry be "Line open, station closed"? DaveDavidAHull (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know where it was hiding, possibly with odd socks and car keys, but here is psul 2013 - http://www.psul4all.free-online.co.uk/2013.htm , if you scroll down past the intro the second block you come across is "Beighton Junction - Tapton Junction (51,53) YE01" Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- The code YE01 looks familiar - see the Working Timetable. I suppose that as it is demonstrable that trains are booked over that route, all the sections between Tapton Junction and Woodhouse Junction are "line open", but unless passenger trains are booked to run direct from Beighton Junc to Masboro, that stretch is "line closed". --Redrose64 (talk) 23:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for the interesting WTT, for what it's worth I've gone through it sufficiently to match 1R50 0520 SuX Nottingham - Liverpool Lime Street to psul 2013. I agree on both counts re Tapton Jct to Masbro'.Dave86.140.15.72 (talk) 08:16, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Drat, forgot to sign in.DaveDavidAHull (talk) 08:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- The code YE01 looks familiar - see the Working Timetable. I suppose that as it is demonstrable that trains are booked over that route, all the sections between Tapton Junction and Woodhouse Junction are "line open", but unless passenger trains are booked to run direct from Beighton Junc to Masboro, that stretch is "line closed". --Redrose64 (talk) 23:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know where it was hiding, possibly with odd socks and car keys, but here is psul 2013 - http://www.psul4all.free-online.co.uk/2013.htm , if you scroll down past the intro the second block you come across is "Beighton Junction - Tapton Junction (51,53) YE01" Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Sticking with prev/next boxes, you've rightly corrected my West Tinsley/Attercliffe Road, I had put Line open, station closed" thinking just of Att Rd, not the line between WT & Att Rd. I'll get the hang of it in time. Onto something related, I have started adding the North Midland Railway route map to Old Line stations as I work through them, but I can't persuade it to default to Collapsed or whatever the term is. Can you please make it do so? I am reluctant to mess with someone else's fine work at my stage. Thanks in anticipation, DaveDavidAHull (talk) 10:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- RDTs for rail lines are normally put on the pages about the lines, not on the individual stations, partly because of the space they occupy, partly because of similar concepts (line template goes with line article). That said, there are a few stations with RDTs, but as can be seen when attempting to save even the tiniest edit on pages like Fishponds railway station or Chepstow railway station, the save takes a very long time. Anyway, this edit means that you can use
{{North Midland Railway|collapse=yes}}
. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:18, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- RDTs for rail lines are normally put on the pages about the lines, not on the individual stations, partly because of the space they occupy, partly because of similar concepts (line template goes with line article). That said, there are a few stations with RDTs, but as can be seen when attempting to save even the tiniest edit on pages like Fishponds railway station or Chepstow railway station, the save takes a very long time. Anyway, this edit means that you can use
- OK, I didn't source it, I must confess to taking it as common knowledge; mea culpa. If you put "psul 2012" into any search engine on the internet you get onto the site "Passenger Train Services over Unusual Lines", here's the link in full http://www.psul4all.free-online.co.uk/2012.htm I am disquieted that psul 2013 doesn't seem to be there, I hope the chap who has done this for some years is OK, but 2012 trumps 2010 Baker. I was casually confident about these trains because I've seen them set off from Chesterfield and talked to my Northern Rail conductor brother who explained the main rationale for running them that way. On to the wider question, if this counts as "open" would the correct box entry be "Line open, station closed"? DaveDavidAHull (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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You can at any time.
Some baklava for you!
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"JulianBrabour" slandering Tim Koslowski
Dear Redrose64,
I would like to bring it to your attention that wikipedia user "JulianBrabour" has been attempting to slander physicist Tim Koslowski indirectly since mid-May on the Shape Dynamics article.
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and directly on the Shape Dynamics, Lee Smolin and Julian Barbour articles on June 23, 2013.
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It is probable that these comments were posted to influence others decisions on grants and job posts that Tim Koslowski has applied for.
Thank you,
Concerned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.171.242.93 (talk) 09:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Advice please
As you have previously commented on an issue at Image use policy talk, could you perhaps advise on this - Wikipedia talk:Image use policy#Advice please. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 12:48, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Lower Syd station
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- More than 24 hours, no email received. It's not in my spam box either. Please note: I discuss matters related to Wikipedia on Wikipedia itself. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Mark One Coach Models
I would be interested to know why you removed the link to the Mark One Model Coach Numbers table. Please would you consider reverting that. I can think of some arguments that might be deployed but none of them in my eyes match the benefit that is gained by accessing this information which has taken years to compile and which respected authorities like Pat Hammond, Model Rail magazine refer to.Robertforsythe (talk) 08:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- The article is about the Mark 1 coaches themselves, not about models of that coach. Please read the guideline on external links, particularly the section Links normally to be avoided. I consider that your page fails item 11. On that page, you ask for mistakes to be pointed out (more on this to follow); if the information is not accurate, it may also fail item 2. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Anyway, I've detected several mistakes and omissions.
- Bachmann's Mark 1 gangwayed coaches with catalogue numbers 34-725/6/7, 34-750/1/2, 34-775/6/7 and 34-800/1, although shown in the catalogues between 1996 and 1998, were never actually released to the public with those catalogue numbers. Bachmann were introducing their "Blue Riband" range at the time, the tooling for which was somewhat more complicated than their traditional items, so I assume that there were production delays. When the Bachmann Mark 1 coaches finally appeared, they had catalogue numbers from 39-025 up (as shown in the 1999 catalogue) and were in "Blue Riband" boxes.
- Bachmann make a RU in crimson & cream; this first appeared in the 2008 catalogue as item 39-105, and was shown on p. 87; in 2009 it was on p. 88; in 2010, p. 87. In the 2011-12 edition, it was now item 39-105A on p. 90; and in the 2012-13 edition, on p. 95. I have not yet obtained the 2013-14 catalogue.
- Replica Railways coach packs containing 2x BS and 1x C (each on long underframes) - the left-hand table shows how you've listed these, the right-hand table is constructed from those items actually in my possession:
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- From this you can see that pack 12593 is listed correctly, but the other two are not. Some of your errors here (e.g. 43775 for 43375 and 43777 for 43377) were clearly typos; I suspect that there are similar errors elsewhere in your list. They went on sale out of sequence: 12593 was released in 2004; 12591 in 2006; 12592 was I think in 2008, certainly no earlier than 2007.
- Replica Railways also make a long-frame S, of which I have four from the initial batch made in 2006: catalogue numbers are 12596A/B/C/D, running numbers S46280/3/7/8 respectively.
- A note of caution: please be wary of using catalogue photos as a guide to running numbers. For new introductions, the catalogue photo may show a design mockup, or a pre-production sample, and these may not have the same running numbers as those actually produced for sale. This is particularly the case with Bachmann, who often have a significant delay between the first appearance of a model in the catalogue, and the actual availability for sale - sometimes this has been more than three years. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Depending on when you looked at the table, a new version was uploaded today.Nonetheless several of the matters you point out probably remain. I intend to work through making the changes and reuploading. The whole thing has been a co-operative effort hence the acknowledgements at the end. I am perfectly happy to acknowledge you although I prefer to use real names. I do usually retain projected reference numbers (the criteria being whether I wish an entry in a intended book behind this). Once I have re-uploaded I shall tell you. I would maintain that it is a pity if access is not easily made to this information and if the problem is me making the link, then you could make the link yourself. Robertforsythe (talk) 19:20, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- An edition reflecting the points you have made is now live here. Robertforsythe (talk) 20:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Er. The one I looked at this morning was marked "The upload is as of 3rd January 2013"; I've just looked at one marked "The upload is as of 1st July 2013" but I don't see any difference except at the bottom where you mention "Redrose" (I'm Redrose64, not Redrose (talk · contribs), who is somebody else entirely). --Redrose64 (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Err. The Replica Railways running numbers were most definitely changed last night. You might make sure your cache has been refreshed. I find the anonymity of the openness of Wikipedia very confusing. If you would like to be credited as Redrose64, just let me know.Robertforsythe (talk) 09:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- There were problems with the upload. The master Excel table was changed yesterday and I thought that the translating of this into the web page was taking place. It was not. I only do this operation once or twice a year and evidently I forgot the route to do this. I am certain the table is now as it should be and invite you to check this. I thank you for your helpfulness in regard to all this. If we can agree that the corrections you were mentioning are in place, can we then chat about how we can assist the Wikimedia community in gaining access to this data? Robertforsythe (talk) 10:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- OK, now it's changed. I see that two typos are still present: S 43777 (for S 43377) on Replica 12592, and S 46287 (for S 46288) on Replica 12596D. Regarding suitability, I've started a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#External links to lists of models. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- Those other typos should now be correct. There are a few question marks left and if you can aid resolving any of those that would be great. Essentially so long as I keep an EXCEL master with me, I don't mind the web version being linked to from Wikipedia or the material therein entering a Wiki table although with my computer skills I am probably not keen on doing that myself. Our whole thread here initially started from one link being added. Robertforsythe (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- There were problems with the upload. The master Excel table was changed yesterday and I thought that the translating of this into the web page was taking place. It was not. I only do this operation once or twice a year and evidently I forgot the route to do this. I am certain the table is now as it should be and invite you to check this. I thank you for your helpfulness in regard to all this. If we can agree that the corrections you were mentioning are in place, can we then chat about how we can assist the Wikimedia community in gaining access to this data? Robertforsythe (talk) 10:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- Err. The Replica Railways running numbers were most definitely changed last night. You might make sure your cache has been refreshed. I find the anonymity of the openness of Wikipedia very confusing. If you would like to be credited as Redrose64, just let me know.Robertforsythe (talk) 09:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- Er. The one I looked at this morning was marked "The upload is as of 3rd January 2013"; I've just looked at one marked "The upload is as of 1st July 2013" but I don't see any difference except at the bottom where you mention "Redrose" (I'm Redrose64, not Redrose (talk · contribs), who is somebody else entirely). --Redrose64 (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- An edition reflecting the points you have made is now live here. Robertforsythe (talk) 20:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Depending on when you looked at the table, a new version was uploaded today.Nonetheless several of the matters you point out probably remain. I intend to work through making the changes and reuploading. The whole thing has been a co-operative effort hence the acknowledgements at the end. I am perfectly happy to acknowledge you although I prefer to use real names. I do usually retain projected reference numbers (the criteria being whether I wish an entry in a intended book behind this). Once I have re-uploaded I shall tell you. I would maintain that it is a pity if access is not easily made to this information and if the problem is me making the link, then you could make the link yourself. Robertforsythe (talk) 19:20, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Tramlink infobox
Yes, they do say the same thing, it's unnecessary duplicate and there is no alt text. Fry1989 eh? 22:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- They only say the same thing to a sighted person. For a blind person, an image without alt text conveys no information at all, so some form of text is essential, whether it be an image caption or alt text. There is more at WP:MOS#Avoid entering textual information as images and Wikipedia:Alternative text for images. In the case of
{{infobox rail line}}
, the alt text for|logo=
would be placed in|logo_alt=
; but this parameter is absent from Tramlink. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
London Euston - Architectural Controversy
Hi. I am turning to you as someone knowledgeable about stations, and the previous very knowledgeable architectural comment on the Euston Arch which was removed in 1962. I wonder if we should/could rename the section Architectural Criticism? It seems even all powers that be do not like it any more. Adam37 (talk) 10:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
- This is best discussed at Talk:Euston railway station. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:04, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
"Future fleet" section of various TOCs
Hi, Is there any way you as an admin can block the IP vandal who has so far yesterday and today contributed deliberate nonsense to the "Future fleet" sections of Southern, South West Trains, First TransPennine, Northern Rail, London Midland, and maybe others. The IPs include:
- 86.133.211.139 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- 86.133.54.4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
-- Thanks! Alarics (talk) 11:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
- I did nothing on Sunday because I was in Coventry. They've resumed today; it's clear that it's one person, but since they change IP address every day or two, a block won't work. However, the number of articles being targetted is small, so following today's activities, I've put a semi-prot on South West Trains and Southern (train operating company). --Redrose64 (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
IQ champ?
Hi Redrose64. I feel this BLP anomaly could so easily be fixed. Unfortunately, the page is protected. Could you take a look? Thanks, 86.161.251.139 (talk) 09:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Re: stubs list
Hi. As I finally archive my talk page, following up on this thread, I wanted to check in with you regarding Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes/data. It looks like it never got properly fixed? I vaguely remember this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Archive 17#Stub type sizes reporting issues.
Truth be told, I'm not running most of the database reports any longer. I don't even have access to the host where they're running at the moment (I still need to set up my key). But this particular page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub type sizes/data) is a bit outside of database reports proper. Would a filtered list (as discussed on the WikiProject talk page) be acceptable? I feel like moving the script to Wikimedia Labs shouldn't be too difficult and might serve as a good Labs trial. It would also have the added benefit of (hopefully) providing proper data in the report. ;-) Let me know what you think. --MZMcBride (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- The primary thread is now archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Archive 17#Stub type sizes reporting issues, and my only involvement was to mention Toolserver, and to point you to the discussion. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Creswell and Welbeck railway station "abolished"
I don't know exactly either, this is a verbatim quote from Chris Booth's book which I got yesterday for my birthday. Chris was a career railwayman (signaller, I reckon) who has written extensively and authoritatively. I would interpret "abolished" to be pretty final. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 08:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- It's not a term in common use. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing it before in the context of a railway station. I normally encounter terms like "passenger services withdrawn"; "freight facilities withdrawn"; "closed to passengers" (or to some other category like goods); "closed to all traffic"; "official closure occurred on xxxx although passenger trains had not run since yyyy"; and variants on those. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- The term is not usually used for stations. As you say the service is usually described as having been withdrawn as a result of which the station(s) are closed. Britmax (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I agree, what I suspect has happened is that he has found a signaller's manual or history or some such which basically says "zap all signalling references to C&W signalbox and station, they no longer exist" and in the absence of the sort of info we expect, notably a date when goods services were withdrawn, he's used the signaller's term as better than nowt, which it is. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I've gone back to Booth, he actually says "the signalbox [...] was abolished, along with the closed station, on 4th April 1950" so I've tweaked the article accordingly. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I agree, what I suspect has happened is that he has found a signaller's manual or history or some such which basically says "zap all signalling references to C&W signalbox and station, they no longer exist" and in the absence of the sort of info we expect, notably a date when goods services were withdrawn, he's used the signaller's term as better than nowt, which it is. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- The term is not usually used for stations. As you say the service is usually described as having been withdrawn as a result of which the station(s) are closed. Britmax (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Template:Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway Beighton Branch
Hello, please may ask your advice? I'm well on with a Route Diagram with the above title. I know I have all the little nidgy doodahs to put in between the diagonal lines' ends, but I prefer to get layout right then do them last. My problem is that I can't get the hang of using different colours other than the standard red and blue and their e/ex variants. I've pored over useddenim's work and can't figure out why grey (for example, green does the same) works sometimes and not in others. I have used green in my Sheffield District Railway RtDiag, but there, too, it only worked with some shapes, but they were sufficient. On the Beighton Branch RtDiag I will want to do three timed snapshots, greying out some lines 1945-67 and others 1967-74, along the lines of the Duckmanton Junction template. Hope this makes sense. DaveDavidAHull (talk) 23:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- I assume that you refer to Template:Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway Beighton Branch, in which I don't see any route colours other than red - the only grey is used for bridges and tunnels. Where are the other colours used? When referring to diagrams, it's always best to provide a link. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- You were correct in assuming that it was the template I referred to in the title, I assume that by "provide a link" you mean put it in double square brackets as you have done. I'll do that from now on. I've edited the diagram and put demo colours and an example of my problem in its bottom right. I have successfully applied grey on three shapes and green on two shapes, but when I do the same thing to the bend above the green straights it gives an error and I can't see why. Are only some shapes colourable? If so, how do I find out which ones? Hope this makes sense. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- Most shapes are available in four basic colours, and each has a designated meaning. Red/pink are for "heavy" railway lines; blue for light rail/metro/rapid transit routes. The dark colours are for routes that are open, whilst the light colours are for closed routes, also routes under construction. These should be described at WP:RDT/C. That page also has links to a selection of catalogue tables; those are not complete, so if you can't find what you need, hunt through the relevant categories on Commons. They should all be in commons:Category:BSicon or its subcategories; those intended for use on railway diagrams should be under commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions.
- There are a good number of green icons, but their shapes don't necessarily correspond with the red and blue icons, because they are intended for footpaths or unwatered canals. Most green icons are in either commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set f (footpaths) or commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set g (unwatered canals). The green icons that you used in Template:Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway Beighton Branch are in commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set green, but there aren't as many as "set f" or "set g". There are also a few grey icons, mostly in commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set grey. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- Warm thanks, as a result of this I have been able to get by. If I want more I will have to design them and add them! That's for another day. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
- You were correct in assuming that it was the template I referred to in the title, I assume that by "provide a link" you mean put it in double square brackets as you have done. I'll do that from now on. I've edited the diagram and put demo colours and an example of my problem in its bottom right. I have successfully applied grey on three shapes and green on two shapes, but when I do the same thing to the bend above the green straights it gives an error and I can't see why. Are only some shapes colourable? If so, how do I find out which ones? Hope this makes sense. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Need some quick col/row scope MOS:DTT work on a pending FLC
User:The Rambling Man who is a director at FLC has informed me in reviewing my nomination for List of colonial governors of New Jersey that I would need to make the tables compliant with MOS:DTT for col and row scopes. I've told him I don't know what this is. After several requests, he gave me an example to go by that when I tried to implement screwed up the tables. So, please can you help fix this to make it MOS:DTT-compliant and then tell me what exactly I have to do for future reference?
See the discussion here (at the bottom of the page): Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of colonial governors of New Jersey/archive1
Thanks for any assistance you can offer.--ColonelHenry (talk) 19:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)