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::I don't think it was edit warring so much as a SPA and DE, that looked like a probable sock. It was this that they both gave a second chance to. Edit warring doesnt start off with an indef block, right? Keep in mind there is no established puppetry here. Its possible that this editor used an IP and then jumped into the conflict as a newly created account. If the editor has agreed some changes, I think we can show good faith and give them the second chance they never had due to being mixed up with me and my past. You have to admit, there is a basis for reasonable doubt. If its granted to me, and others, why not to Rafaelsfingers? In anycase, I'm not going to make a big deal about it, I just felt I needed to comment here, as I felt some empathy for the user.[[User:Giovanni33|Giovanni33]] ([[User talk:Giovanni33|talk]]) 09:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
::I don't think it was edit warring so much as a SPA and DE, that looked like a probable sock. It was this that they both gave a second chance to. Edit warring doesnt start off with an indef block, right? Keep in mind there is no established puppetry here. Its possible that this editor used an IP and then jumped into the conflict as a newly created account. If the editor has agreed some changes, I think we can show good faith and give them the second chance they never had due to being mixed up with me and my past. You have to admit, there is a basis for reasonable doubt. If its granted to me, and others, why not to Rafaelsfingers? In anycase, I'm not going to make a big deal about it, I just felt I needed to comment here, as I felt some empathy for the user.[[User:Giovanni33|Giovanni33]] ([[User talk:Giovanni33|talk]]) 09:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I'm still waiting for a response to my question. I am prepared to agf but I would like a solid answer. As I said before if you go straight back to edit warring it will just be an indefinite block. Do you understand the conditions of the unblock? --[[User_talk:Chris G|<b><font style="color:Red;">Chris</font></b>]] 10:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
:::I'm still waiting for a response to my question. I am prepared to agf but I would like a solid answer. As I said before if you go straight back to edit warring it will just be an indefinite block. Do you understand the conditions of the unblock? --[[User_talk:Chris G|<b><font style="color:Red;">Chris</font></b>]] 10:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::Hi. It looks bad for Giovanni33 to lobby for unblocking of their own suspected sock puppet. Raphaelsfinger, plesse post an unblock request and let an uninvolved administrator decide. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 11:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Blocked
Having reviewed your contributions, I conclude that this is a disruptive single-purpose account, and almost certainly a sockpuppet being used in a manner outside the permitted bounds for alternate accounts. I am sure you ahve another account, if it is not blocked then please feel free to contribute using that account. Edit-warring, though, will continue to be unwelcome. Guy (Help!) 20:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
{{unblock|All false. I did nothing wrong. This is my only account. I have no sock puppets. I did nothing disruptive. The blocking admin has been disruptive making massive changes in the article against to consensus. This blocking administrator is being abusive and has no right to block me when he ls also edit warring on the article. He should not abuse his admin privileges by blocking those he is involved in a dispute with. I protest.}}
- If I unblock you will you stay away from the article and just discuss and the talkpage and ani? I understand that you may have been an IP that created an account when the page was semi protected> NOTE: If you start editing warring again you'll just be blocked with no second chances --Chris 04:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Unblocked. Remember to do what Chris G says. -- Denelson83 07:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thank you Denelson83. clearly he was was edit warring with one hand and blocking be with the other. I understand how ip addresses work, and I think it's quite clear I do not have multiple accounts. I believe Chris should make my account whole again without reprimand.
Rafaelsfingers (talk) 05:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
{{unblock|initially I was unjustly accused of being giovanii33's sock puppet, but that was disproven. Since then I have been unjustly accused of being supergreen's sock puppet, all the while an admin is edit warring and blocking people. I have no idea who supergreen is. I am new to wikipedia and was simply stating my disagreement with an articles facts and lack of consensus. I .made sure not to violate the 3 rr rule. Clearly this an admin edit warring and blocking at the same time. I support wikipedias rules and guidelines, but this rogue admin has gone too far. Thank you for removing my block.}}
Sock puppetry
This account has been blocked for sock puppetry. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Rafaelsfingers for the evidence. This investigation was ongoing while the above events unfolded. This is a new block based on new circumstances. Jehochman Talk 05:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
My blockage should be reviewed under new evidence proved giovanii33 innocence. I am not a sock puppet, lumping everyone in California who shares a common pov is unjust. I am an ardent supporter of the wikipedia framework, and would not sidestep its guidelines. This is my only account. Admins edit warring while blocking should not be tolerated. Rafaelsfingers (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- To get a review, post a formal unblock request, like this:
{{unblock|your reason}}
. Jehochman Talk 20:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)- For the record, there was no new evidence, and Giovanni33 was not found innocent. Rather, sufficient doubts existed that I decided to unblock that account. Your account remains blocked because your circumstances are different from Giovanni33's, because you and Supergreenred seem to be violating WP:SOCK, as spelled out in the report. The administrators I discussed this case with agreed with my assessment that your account should remain blocked.Jehochman Talk 20:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean to butt my head in here, but naturally I have some interest in this account, so I want to comment. Its true I was not proven innocent, but rather there it was not based on good enough evidence to withstand reasonable doubt. But by same token, I have reasonable doubt about this account. I am a little concerned that this account is falling victim to the same assumptions that I was caught in. Namely, circumstantial evidence based on geographic location and POV. I'm not convinced that this account and SuperRedGreen are the same, and I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt, despite appearances. I also do not agree with the classification of being disruptive, either. The user was given a chance by two other admins, after he was blocked, despite looking at the evidence regarding claims of possible sock, and Single Purpose disruptive account. Still, they gave the user a second chance and told him not to edit war, anymore, etc--or there would no other chances. That seemed fair. But, this user never had that chance. Before he could prove himself, his unblocked was overturned based on the assumption that he was a puppet of my account. Since that assumption is no longer being held to, I think it doesn't hurt to return the the 'second chance' offer approved by the other two admins above, who agreed to, and did, unblock. I have no interest in this account other than it being brought to my attention, some empathy over a possible rush to judgment. I also point out that the user is correct that the initial blocking admin, Guy, was edit warring in the article with editors, including this one, when he issued the blocks against them; that is not following correct protocol.Giovanni33 (talk) 00:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I believe the two admins above offered a second chance in regards to edit-warring, etc. That wasn't in regards to sockpuppetry. John Smith's (talk) 06:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think it was edit warring so much as a SPA and DE, that looked like a probable sock. It was this that they both gave a second chance to. Edit warring doesnt start off with an indef block, right? Keep in mind there is no established puppetry here. Its possible that this editor used an IP and then jumped into the conflict as a newly created account. If the editor has agreed some changes, I think we can show good faith and give them the second chance they never had due to being mixed up with me and my past. You have to admit, there is a basis for reasonable doubt. If its granted to me, and others, why not to Rafaelsfingers? In anycase, I'm not going to make a big deal about it, I just felt I needed to comment here, as I felt some empathy for the user.Giovanni33 (talk) 09:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'm still waiting for a response to my question. I am prepared to agf but I would like a solid answer. As I said before if you go straight back to edit warring it will just be an indefinite block. Do you understand the conditions of the unblock? --Chris 10:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi. It looks bad for Giovanni33 to lobby for unblocking of their own suspected sock puppet. Raphaelsfinger, plesse post an unblock request and let an uninvolved administrator decide. Jehochman Talk 11:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think it was edit warring so much as a SPA and DE, that looked like a probable sock. It was this that they both gave a second chance to. Edit warring doesnt start off with an indef block, right? Keep in mind there is no established puppetry here. Its possible that this editor used an IP and then jumped into the conflict as a newly created account. If the editor has agreed some changes, I think we can show good faith and give them the second chance they never had due to being mixed up with me and my past. You have to admit, there is a basis for reasonable doubt. If its granted to me, and others, why not to Rafaelsfingers? In anycase, I'm not going to make a big deal about it, I just felt I needed to comment here, as I felt some empathy for the user.Giovanni33 (talk) 09:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)