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Apologies for my edit conflict with yours on [[Philip Mould]] the reference I found states he was a director rather than trustee...no idea which is correct though? [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 22:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC) |
Apologies for my edit conflict with yours on [[Philip Mould]] the reference I found states he was a director rather than trustee...no idea which is correct though? [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 22:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC) |
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King of Rome lives again
Hi Andy, I understand that the King of Rome is making another claim for fame. There is a 38 degrees petition by Kalwinder Singh Dhindsa to get Crown Derby to create a paper weight of the famous pigeon. Can we get a QRpedia code on the bottom to allow others around the world to find out about our pigeon. Cheers Roger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victuallers (talk • contribs) 23:53, 17 June 2015
Closure of TfDs
Hi Andy; I really don't think that you should have closed these four TfDs. WP:NACD says "closing discussions in which you have offered an opinion ... should be avoided", which applies to all four; it also says "non-administrators should not close discussions in which they lack the technical ability to act upon the outcome, such as deletion", which applies to three of them. It also says "when closing deletion discussions, users should indicate in the closing decision that they are not administrators", which you don't appear to have done. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Gosh! All the harm I've done to the project! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:54, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- Can we not kick up a fuss about this right now, as long as the actual closures are good, please? TfD is massively backlogged again and more people moving the simple/uncontested discussions along is a good thing. Opabinia regalis (talk) 21:13, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I'll echo this, sorry. I appreciate you taking on the work at TfD, and I'm pleased to see that non-admins got the go ahead to close discussions there as delete, but you should absolutely not be closing discussions where you've given an opinion – this applies across the board, whatever the process and whatever userrights the closer has. Jenks24 (talk) 22:28, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- WP:DRV. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:36, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hey, come on. You want to close things, that's great – but you have to be willing to have discussions about your closures and actually take on board what other people are telling you in good faith, you can't just fob everyone off with snide remarks. I really don't want to escalate this anywhere. Jenks24 (talk) 22:50, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- WP:DRV. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, I hadn't noticed those were also your nominations. Yeah, better to avoid that, unless it's a withdrawal or a procedural thing. "Discussion closed by nominator" will get overturned at DRV, which someone will do eventually, which will be a waste of time. Opabinia regalis (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- WP:DRV. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hey, come on. You want to close things, that's great – but you have to be willing to have discussions about your closures and actually take on board what other people are telling you in good faith, you can't just fob everyone off with snide remarks. I really don't want to escalate this anywhere. Jenks24 (talk) 22:50, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
I've taken this to AN. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive273#Involved TfD closures. Jenks24 (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Presumably because you can cause more dramah there than at the correct venue, WP:DRV? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- You know full well that they're raising a problem with your behavior rather than the decisions you reached and don't necessarily want the decisions themselves overturned. Any admin can re-open your closures without DRV and they would not be wrong in doing so. Quite simply, closing discussions you're involved in is just something we do not do here. This is explicitly prohibited by WP:NACD, and according to longstanding consensus, is simply something that's not done. The fundamental requirement for closing discussions is to be uninvolved (see Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Closure procedure). Even if invoking some sort of unusual justification for doing this, you should have known full well that your involved closures were out of process and would probably be questioned, and you should not have responded with rudeness and sarcasm as you did. Since you're obviously unwilling to discuss this in good faith with your fellow members of the community, I will have to simply warn you that your closes are in violation of community consensus as written at Wikipedia:Deletion process, and that you'll need to stop. Stick to closing discussions you're not involved in, by all means, but be prepared to offer a transparent explanation, per Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Consensus and Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Closure. If you're unable to do this, you should not be closing discussions. Swarm ♠ 17:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- tl;dr. No admin has seen fit to reopen any of the closures. It would be idiocy to do so. NACD "prohibits" nothing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- You know full well that they're raising a problem with your behavior rather than the decisions you reached and don't necessarily want the decisions themselves overturned. Any admin can re-open your closures without DRV and they would not be wrong in doing so. Quite simply, closing discussions you're involved in is just something we do not do here. This is explicitly prohibited by WP:NACD, and according to longstanding consensus, is simply something that's not done. The fundamental requirement for closing discussions is to be uninvolved (see Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Closure procedure). Even if invoking some sort of unusual justification for doing this, you should have known full well that your involved closures were out of process and would probably be questioned, and you should not have responded with rudeness and sarcasm as you did. Since you're obviously unwilling to discuss this in good faith with your fellow members of the community, I will have to simply warn you that your closes are in violation of community consensus as written at Wikipedia:Deletion process, and that you'll need to stop. Stick to closing discussions you're not involved in, by all means, but be prepared to offer a transparent explanation, per Wikipedia:Closing discussions#Consensus and Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Closure. If you're unable to do this, you should not be closing discussions. Swarm ♠ 17:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
WP:AN case closed as "There is no consensus that non-admin clerking debates of templates deleted by admins is disruptive" Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Ban of your participation in the AN discussion of TfD closures
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Active sanctions, If Pigsonthewing behaves disruptively in any discussion; any uninvolved administrator may ban Pigsonthewing from further participation in that discussion. Any such restriction must be logged on the main case page of this review. Since I am not involved, and I do believe you behave disruptively in the AN discussion on TfD closures, I ban you from further participation in this discussion. Sorry for the block, I misread the ArbCom decision and lifted it within a minute.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:46, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- WTF?! How is my participation - in a discussion about me - disruptive? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- This is a good example. You are obviously welcome to appeal.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- It is a good example of me pointing out a flaw in someone's argument. It is not disruptive. You have not answered my question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Support that view, - what else is considered "dispuptive" but isn't in my eyes? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I do find this disruptive. If you disagree, please appeal.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- The question - which you have still not answered - is "how is my participation disruptive?". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I am not under obligation to answer this question. If you learned nothing from the arbcom case, I can not help.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, you've just answered it loud and clear. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I am not under obligation to answer this question. If you learned nothing from the arbcom case, I can not help.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- The question - which you have still not answered - is "how is my participation disruptive?". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- It is a good example of me pointing out a flaw in someone's argument. It is not disruptive. You have not answered my question. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- This is a good example. You are obviously welcome to appeal.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
How things work
1 Collect (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Collect: Well, quite. Tempted to nominate WP:IAR for deletion. WP:5P, too. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Always wanted to know what "disruptive" means here. I learned that it is a step of opening towards progress, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Before everyone rushes off to get the tar and the feathers, can I put in a diversion and suggest somebody quickly looks over Rick Wright, fixing any obvious errors, before I take it off to WP:GAN? Cheers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to, but my time is tied up defending myself against false allegations. Perhaps you can help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Ignore it. Nobody really cares. Or to be precise, the proportion of the 1,000 people a day (give or take) who read Rick's article, I'd speculate the proportion of those who care about some random food fight on ANI to be approximately 0. I'd also speculate the proportion of GLAM attendees who care about it to be roughly in the same ballpark. I don't know what works for you but for me a nice romantic meal and coffee with the other half works, or failing that, putting John Peel's 1970 Floyd In Concert session on full blast, which STILL hasn't been officially released ... some day I'll get round to recording my own version of "The Embryo" and put it out there. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:01, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your well-meant advice, but my experience of other, similarly false, allegations is that it will be used against me, and people will ignore (or not care about) the context. I'm prepared to consider a nice romantic meal and coffee with your other half, but may I see a picture first? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- O ye of little faith, I see the sanction has been dropped. I can do better than a photo, but I don't think she's going to be up for the rest of the offer I'm afraid :-/ You'll just have to get it out of your system some other way. It's so nice to see a Floyd tribute band do something that's not just a rehash of the Live 8 set.....anyway, I digress Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:29, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- But would it have been, had I not persisted? I've seen enough Floyd over bands for a lifetime, but some - those who do go beyond "greatest hits" - are excellent. Her loss, though. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- O ye of little faith, I see the sanction has been dropped. I can do better than a photo, but I don't think she's going to be up for the rest of the offer I'm afraid :-/ You'll just have to get it out of your system some other way. It's so nice to see a Floyd tribute band do something that's not just a rehash of the Live 8 set.....anyway, I digress Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:29, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your well-meant advice, but my experience of other, similarly false, allegations is that it will be used against me, and people will ignore (or not care about) the context. I'm prepared to consider a nice romantic meal and coffee with your other half, but may I see a picture first? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Ignore it. Nobody really cares. Or to be precise, the proportion of the 1,000 people a day (give or take) who read Rick's article, I'd speculate the proportion of those who care about some random food fight on ANI to be approximately 0. I'd also speculate the proportion of GLAM attendees who care about it to be roughly in the same ballpark. I don't know what works for you but for me a nice romantic meal and coffee with the other half works, or failing that, putting John Peel's 1970 Floyd In Concert session on full blast, which STILL hasn't been officially released ... some day I'll get round to recording my own version of "The Embryo" and put it out there. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:01, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to, but my time is tied up defending myself against false allegations. Perhaps you can help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Before everyone rushes off to get the tar and the feathers, can I put in a diversion and suggest somebody quickly looks over Rick Wright, fixing any obvious errors, before I take it off to WP:GAN? Cheers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Always wanted to know what "disruptive" means here. I learned that it is a step of opening towards progress, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Didn't know if you were watching this, thought you should know there's a new report. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks AFAICT, speaking British English isn't yet a reason to ban someone from Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hasn't there been enough "dump on Mabbett" today? Stop it all of you before I post pictures of kittens all over the place! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently not. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hasn't there been enough "dump on Mabbett" today? Stop it all of you before I post pictures of kittens all over the place! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I've said my piece. Please don't take offence: I don't agree with you on this matter but you do have my respect. I don't know if you'll feel the need to comment since it's pretty obvious we're not related. For one thing, I don't have your voluminous beard genes... BethNaught (talk) 19:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- No offence taken at all. Contrary to rabid accusations, I enjoy collaborating with many editors with whom I disagree on one thing or another. I do pity you the genes, though. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
This reminds me of another spurious SPI. Unfortunately, the reported editor's username was red-linked, so they got blocked indefinitely. Alakzi (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I understand the meaning of the word "indefinitely". Are you me? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Case closed. The apt idiom would be "Laughed out of court". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:05, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Quite right too. Nobody who knows Andy at all could possibly consider this remotely plausible. Guy (Help!) 23:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Welcome to the club <g>. Collect (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Commons category template
Dear Pigsonthewing,
I guess this discussion Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_August_20#Category:Commons_category_template_with_no_category_set might interest. I suppose your input on this topic could be valuable. --Robby (talk) 21:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've replied there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CXIII, August 2015
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If you tag a transcluded page for deletion, always clothe the speedy tag with <noinclude></noinclude>. By placing a naked speedy tag on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Angelus Delapsus/Status you caused Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion to be sent to CAT:CSD. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- You say that as though it would be a bad thing :-). Seriously: noted, thanks. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
FYI
As an admin, I do not close debates I started. It's bad form. Start, vote or close, but only one of the three. Think of it as a separation of duties issue. Offered as a friend in the hope of avoiding future drama. Guy (Help!) 23:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- I prefer to follow Wikipedia policies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:28, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- No, that is begging the question. In almost all cases, reasonable people may disagree on interpretation of policy. I think you will do better, and with less drama, if you trust others to do the needful. There are good reasons why you would leave it to someone else to make the final call. Guy (Help!) 00:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
TE request
Could you please tag Template:Discreet abbreviation for deletion (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 July 28#Template:Discreet abbreviation). Alakzi (talk) 13:12, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:20, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's now been orphaned; the changes haven't propagated to WhatLinksHere. Alakzi (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speedied. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Friends, would you believe that scoring is a key fact in a Bach composition? We have an editor who thinks it's bloat, - possibly I don't understand the meaning of that term? Can you explain what I obviously can't get across? I hate to see an article presented on the Main page in substandard shape. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It appears to be the usual pseudo-philosophical disagreement over whether infoboxes should contain anything that's remotely nuanced or subtle. Alakzi (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- I disagree, I think it's nothing nuanced but most basic to say what instruments are involved, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- These are very pointed edits by someone who has previously edited disruptively to remove infoboxes en mass; leading to her having to resign her admin bit "under a cloud" in July 2014. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- I tried very hard not to mention that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It appears to be the usual pseudo-philosophical disagreement over whether infoboxes should contain anything that's remotely nuanced or subtle. Alakzi (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Friends, would you believe that scoring is a key fact in a Bach composition? We have an editor who thinks it's bloat, - possibly I don't understand the meaning of that term? Can you explain what I obviously can't get across? I hate to see an article presented on the Main page in substandard shape. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speedied. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's now been orphaned; the changes haven't propagated to WhatLinksHere. Alakzi (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Where is this dispute? I'd be interested in the justification for wanting to exclude something as basic as scoring from an article on a work by any composer of the renaissance or later, especially Bach. Guy (Help!) 13:38, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Talk:Geist und Seele wird verwirret, BWV 35#Parameters of infobox. Alakzi (talk) 13:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Could you please remove {{pbneutral}} from Template:Editnotices/Page/September 11 attacks? Alakzi (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- And if you've got the patience to explain to them why reverting me is pointless: [1]. Alakzi (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Only just seen this; sorry. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- And if you've got the patience to explain to them why reverting me is pointless: [1]. Alakzi (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Could you please replace
{{Tfm/dated|page=Archive box collapsible|otherpage=Collapsible archive box|link=Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 15#Template:Archive box collapsible|type=sidebar|help=off}}
with
{{Tfd/dated|page=Archive box collapsible|link=Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 28#Template:Archive box collapsible|type=sidebar|help=off}}
in {{Archive box collapsible}}? Alakzi (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Already done, apparently. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
If could you please remove the merge notice from {{American English editnotice}}. Alakzi (talk) 17:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Alakzi: done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
TfD metatalk
Hello. You nominated the template {{metatalk}} for deletion a little over a week ago. (Full disclosure: I created the template.) Since then concerns have been raised at the nomination entry. (I share the same concerns, so I haven't piled on.) I haven't seen any further communication from you. Can you please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 15#Template:Metatalk? —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 10:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Re: Wikipedia talk:Database reports/Long pages, it's pretty unusual to set up automatic archiving for a talk page that has such little traffic and discussion. The report itself has existed since 2008 and in that time there have only been four threads started on the talk page and the total talk page size is less than 5,000 bytes. Your edit looks like a solution in search of a problem. --MZMcBride (talk) 12:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's an edit which will archive discussions that are four years old and no longer relevant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #172
Tech News: 2015-35
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Shoreham Airshow Disaster
Sorry about reverting your revert of my revert at the airshow disaster article!! I think I've got it right now :) 141.6.11.25 (talk) 18:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Arthur Moon: Contentious image deletion
Hi. You have previously edited Arthur Moon. Another editor has recently repeated deleted an image I believe to be central to the article. I would welcome your input. Tomintoul (talk) 07:15, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Tomintoul: They've referred you to WP:NFCC. Have you read that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:22, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thanks!! &i have some Queries
Sir i want help on how to
- === Creatin a table===
- === creating a great user page like you ===
its very good
- === and "html on wiki" ===
--Aryan hindustan (talk) 09:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- The teahouse will help you - I've left details on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Aryan hindustan (talk) 09:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
List of public art in Somerset
Hi Andy, I'm makin at start at List of public art in Somerset however can we get the coords to display as a clickable link in some way?— Rod talk 11:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes; like this. (I thought it too complicated to include in a blog post aimed at new editors). Thanks for helping out! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:23, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- OK I can do template coord - but would a description/label be useful for mapping purposes?— Rod talk 11:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- No; that would conflict with the row template's microformat metadata. (Long story: another editor added the label functionality, against my advice, ignoring the reason why I had Coord created and the way it was designed to work inside other templates like this. It's probably too well used now to fix, sadly). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- But thinking about human users... If I click on the kml link the maps doesn't have any labels just 1,2,3 etc.— Rod talk 12:22, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- We could decouple the query string "title" parameter from the microformat, as I have done in the module sandbox; whereas
|name=
will both append the name to the query - which is used by kmlexport to label the map pins - and emit metadata,|title=
will add the name to the query only. This is - of course - all kinds of terrible, but it's the best I could manage - given the circumstances. We could also add a|mf=no
switch or somesuch, which might be slightly more intuitive. I've set up an example in my sandbox. Alakzi (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)- We could make the change I asked for at the time (before the template was converted to Lua) but the issue was filibusterered by one editor. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- We could decouple the query string "title" parameter from the microformat, as I have done in the module sandbox; whereas
- But thinking about human users... If I click on the kml link the maps doesn't have any labels just 1,2,3 etc.— Rod talk 12:22, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- No; that would conflict with the row template's microformat metadata. (Long story: another editor added the label functionality, against my advice, ignoring the reason why I had Coord created and the way it was designed to work inside other templates like this. It's probably too well used now to fix, sadly). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- OK I can do template coord - but would a description/label be useful for mapping purposes?— Rod talk 11:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand the techie argument above, but labels would be useful. I wanted to ask how public art is defined - are war memorials etc public art?— Rod talk 13:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- My view would be that that depends on there beings some sculptural element - a statue, or a relief, say - rather than just a list of names and some architectural dressing. I can see us having separate "list of memorials" pages, though. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Is there a preferred order for display when first seen? If alphabetical is this by subject? If we have an article about the sculpture I'm using the article title as subject but sometimes when we don't the person eg Edward VII & what about a title like "silica" which isn't really about anything - as I add more to List of public art in Somerset it is getting messier... Is there a documentation page somewhere to get consistency?— Rod talk 13:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Not yet ;-) You could ask at WT:WikiProject Public Art. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Is there a preferred order for display when first seen? If alphabetical is this by subject? If we have an article about the sculpture I'm using the article title as subject but sometimes when we don't the person eg Edward VII & what about a title like "silica" which isn't really about anything - as I add more to List of public art in Somerset it is getting messier... Is there a documentation page somewhere to get consistency?— Rod talk 13:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
How do I add coordinates for the Somerset Space Walk which is 14 miles long?— Rod talk 14:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Take the mid-point. Or omit them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I've just discovered (as part of doing this) the Public Monuments and Sculpture Association National Recording Project Database could we get them to export their database (which has 263 items in Somerset alone) in some format which we (you) can import)?— Rod talk 14:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- They won't; and as it hasn't been maintained for some years, it's very out-of-date. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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You can buy me a cider. Hellenp (talk) 12:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello pigsonthewing, cupofpinktea here -thank you for the introduction to wiki. Cupofpinktea (talk) 12:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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You marked {{Infobox nhsc}} as pending substitution at WP:TFD/H, but when I went to substitute the template, I got odd results, including many parser functions remaining. Would you mind taking a look? ~ RobTalk 16:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Try using the sandbox. Also, the reason the remaining transclusions haven't been substituted is that the target infobox hasn't got a miscallaneous designations field, nor are these designations listed in {{Designation}}. Alakzi (talk) 16:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- The live version of the page already uses the target infobox, though, so the "invalid designation" errors are already popping up. Any objection to substituting, which wouldn't change the cosmetic appearance of the page as it stands, and alerting WP:WikiProject Historic sites of the potential classifications that could be included in {{Designation}}? They can sort out what they want to do with them. ~ RobTalk 16:37, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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Not okay. The request had been responded to and after 36 hours was procedurally archived. Do not override an admin's decision to decline. Sounds like this situation is fit for wider discussion at WP:AN, WP:ANI or the like, WP:PERM isn't meant for that. Finally, just FYT, the bot was not "bad" - it was doing exactly as instructed. — MusikAnimal talk 14:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- I've already reverted you (before reading the above). I suggest you read the discussion, including the comments you removed, and that by the admin to whom you refer, who clearly invites that discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:30, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure they meant use a different venue, and either way that's exactly what I'm saying. We don't really do this at PERM. I think you'll get more out of the discussion somewhere else — MusikAnimal talk 14:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Your article in RSC news journal
Hello Andy! I saw your article in the latest RSC journal. It's very nice! I really liked it. Great job! Frostdawn (talk) 20:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- Kind words; thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:28, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Apologies for my edit conflict with yours on Philip Mould the reference I found states he was a director rather than trustee...no idea which is correct though? Theroadislong (talk) 22:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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