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==Response to your excellent information== |
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I proposed that the Talbott page be deleted a long time ago on notability grounds, and it may be time to resurrect that idea. Although notable on the internet, I'm not sure he's really received all that much attention in comparison to others. You might check out the rules at [[WP:BIO]] and see if you think Talbott's article qualifies for a Wikipedia entry. |
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In terms of verifiable sourcing, the principle of [[WP:PARITY]] must come into play. Since Talbott's works are all essentially self-published and internet-based, it is perfectly reasonable to use sources that are self-published and internet based on Wikipedia. |
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Finally, thanks for the information on Tony Perratt. I wrote IEEE Plasma Transactions a few months back demanding that they remove him from their editorial board. Now I have even more information about this. I remember coming across Tony's bizarre papers on petroglyphs and thought to myself that the guy has finally gone over the deep end. No, he's just connected plasma cosmology completely to Velikovsky. Interesting because the phrase "this is not a Velikovskian fantasy" was bandied about by Plasma cosmology adherents. Now the chickens really have come home to roost. |
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[[User:ScienceApologist|ScienceApologist]] ([[User talk:ScienceApologist|talk]]) 00:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Saturn Model
The object of Wikipedia is to describe, not necessarily to judge whether ideas are valid, credible, or even incredible. There are many ideas on Wikipedia that are pure bunkum, but we describe them to the best of our ability, nevertheless. --Gooeyness 13:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I also dispute he style of much the criticism. The use of words such as "refuted" do not described the conclusions reached in the citations given, which is not to say that you or I may consider the model disputed. We should present the criticisms as given, and let people draw their own conclusions. --Gooeyness 13:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Per your queries:
- 1. Slabinski writes: "The paper gives insufficient mathematical analysis", in other words, Grubaugh fails to make the case, ie. "not proven". That is not a refutation (ie. disproven). Of course we can argue the point, and our opinions on whether Slabinski refuted, disproved, or it was not proven, can be overcome simply by telling it how it was written.
- 2. And I can not find Van Flandern's criticism, perhaps you would oblige with a link.
- Perhaps you would post future criticism at Talk:David Talbott where others can review and perhaps comment. --Gooeyness 18:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Your edit to James Brudenell, 7th Earl of Cardigan
The numbers of casualties killed and injured in the infamous charge are an ongoing topic for debate, and Woodham-Smith doesn't help matters with her terminology, which seems to have led you astray—perhaps she felt that she couldn't be more precise (writing as she was in 1952). Saul David's account gives a lot more space to this and, although he does not come up with a definitive figure, all his sources are in the range indicated. I hope that helps! --Old Moonraker 21:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
David Talbott vandalism, among others
Thanks for your note. Yes, ClaimJumperBill introduced hidden spam text to a number of articles and was subsequently blocked indefinitely by Wknight94. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 13:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC) PS I never saw hidden text spam before. Maybe he thought RCPatrol would not notice. Makes no sense to me. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 13:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
DIO is WP:FRINGE
All the articles are unsigned, and most of them contain sentences like this one:
- A3 But I must call a brief interlude at this point, in order that the reader not miss the weird inversion going on here in: §§A1&A2, the Neugebauer-overall-ancient-astronomy conception's perversity-pinnacle: rebel&heliocentrist-pioneer Aristarchos was a non observing fabricator, while go-along-geocentrist&datafaker Ptolemy was antiquity's ABLE observer.
Your claim that this is not a fringe source is frivolous and a waste of everyone's time. Shii (tock) 01:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia
It's good to see someone else here who can help out with Velikovsky-Plasma cosmology internet memes. It caused quite a deal of consternation in the past. If you need any help, feel free to contact me via my talk page or via e-mail.
ScienceApologist (talk) 05:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Response to your excellent information
I proposed that the Talbott page be deleted a long time ago on notability grounds, and it may be time to resurrect that idea. Although notable on the internet, I'm not sure he's really received all that much attention in comparison to others. You might check out the rules at WP:BIO and see if you think Talbott's article qualifies for a Wikipedia entry.
In terms of verifiable sourcing, the principle of WP:PARITY must come into play. Since Talbott's works are all essentially self-published and internet-based, it is perfectly reasonable to use sources that are self-published and internet based on Wikipedia.
Finally, thanks for the information on Tony Perratt. I wrote IEEE Plasma Transactions a few months back demanding that they remove him from their editorial board. Now I have even more information about this. I remember coming across Tony's bizarre papers on petroglyphs and thought to myself that the guy has finally gone over the deep end. No, he's just connected plasma cosmology completely to Velikovsky. Interesting because the phrase "this is not a Velikovskian fantasy" was bandied about by Plasma cosmology adherents. Now the chickens really have come home to roost.
ScienceApologist (talk) 00:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)