G'day. I'm new to this game, but keep it clean and civil and I'll respond to anything you post. Peacemaker67 (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
November 2011
A thread that concerns you has been posted on WP:ANI [1]. Regards :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 07:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate the heads up Peacemaker67 (talk) 07:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Chetniks
Thought you might find this informative for the non-Serbs/Formation and ideology discussion: [2]. It's a 7 page excerpt from Marko Attila Hoare's book Genocide and Resistance in Hitler’s Bosnia: The Partisans and the Chetniks, 1941-1943, (Oxford University Press) showing the mentality of the Chetniks regarding non-Serbs and their anti-semitism. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 13:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Just a head's up...
Peacemaker67, I'm sure your intentions are good, but please take a look at WP:CANVASSING. AFDs are touchy subjects and contacting specific editors in regard to an article you've nominated could be misconstrued as attempting sway the argument one way or another. I'm sure that's not true in this case, but I thought you should be aware, esp. if you're not familiar with the AFD discussions, which are often heated. Best of luck, --Nuujinn (talk) 20:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate the heads up. & that certainly wasn't my intention. There appears to be a lot of unsourced rot on many Balkans pages. I shall notify appropriately. Peacemaker67 (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the balkans are definitely a mess. One approach is to just post a note on the talk page that you're going to do a cleanup pass through the article, then be bold and see if anyone objects to your edits. I haven't looked at this particular article and likely won't, but if there's really no significant coverage in reliable sources for an article and it's not been edited in a long while, you can also label it with a PROD. If no one pulls the PROD template the article will be deleted in a week. Twinkle's a good tool for this kind of thing, it will appropriately notify the author. But a PROD only appropriate if you really think reliable sources are not to be found or the article is otherwise inappropriate for inclusion. --Nuujinn (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- I was just going to continue adding sourced text when I noteced you had already reverted me. I could start crying out loud how you removed sourced text, but I want. I beleave we could/should discuss everything, but if you start changing unilaterally the article without the discussion being completed, this is what we´ll end up having, and I beleave nne of us want it... FkpCascais (talk) 03:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- Likewise re: the title of the 'Ethnic Conflict and Terror Tactics' section. We have had consensus from Direktor, Producer, Nuujiin and myself (4 of the 5 editors regularly editing this article, all of whom have brought reliable sources to the table) for the change of title to 'Terror Tactics and Cleansing Actions'. At some point, if you don't bring sources but just argue your opinion, some editor will make the change to that agreed between the other editors who do have reliable sources. You have not initiated any discussion on the talkpage for changing collaboration to 'Relations with' except your opinion. No sources at all for 'Relations with'. My understanding is that you need sources make changes. In this article in particular. Peacemaker67 (talk) 03:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- See my edit and you can see the way I am proosing that we should deal with the sections. For instance, with regard of Germans, there is much we could talk beside collaboration, however the title limits that. If you continue the pharse initiated by direktor how I don´t have sources, I will start using all sourcing on my own. There are plenty of sources indicating that relation between Chetniks and Axis was not at all as simple as collaboration, and we will discuss that, definitelly. FkpCascais (talk) 03:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- PS: Btw, Nuujinn agreed to the title just 20 minutes ago, so I couldn´t guess it back then when I did the edit. FkpCascais (talk) 03:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- PS2: Also, as you called my edit "nonsense", may I ask, what nonsense is your reasoning to add Italy and Germany as allegiance to Chetnik leaders? How is that you don´t need to have a rank? Otherwise, should we add UK to Mihailovic? USSR to Tito? Utter nonsense... FkpCascais (talk) 04:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- Nuujiin actually agreed to the title several days ago. Check the thread. We got caught up in the ethnic cleansing stuff in the meantime.
- Start the discussion on collaboration then, on the talkpage where it should be given the contoversial nature of this article.
- I have given you a source for Djurisic's allegiances. Check the section on Allegiance on the Djurisic talkpage. How many times do I have to say this? I don't need reasoning, I need a reliable published source. I am finding discussions with you very frustrating. I look forward to you bringing sources.
- And by the way, I have formed my own view regarding your reliance on argument rather than sources. I have formed this impression very quickly. Peacemaker67 (talk) 05:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
- I have given you a source for Djurisic's allegiances. Check the section on Allegiance on the Djurisic talkpage. How many times do I have to say this? I don't need reasoning, I need a reliable published source. I am finding discussions with you very frustrating. I look forward to you bringing sources.
- Start the discussion on collaboration then, on the talkpage where it should be given the contoversial nature of this article.
WikiProject Military History introduction
Since his efforts to get DIREKTOR blocked failed and no one has paid attention to his posts calling me a liar, FkpCascais has now opened this sockpuppet investigation in yet another effort to get someone blocked that disagrees with him. Thought you should know, since he's just trying to get people blocked who disagree with him. AniMate 05:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I appreciate the heads up. Funny Fkp didn't mention it to me... Peacemaker67 (talk) 05:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- No hard feelings Peacemaker67, it´s my first time to make a SPI report, so I need to get practice and familiarised when I spot some coincidences. Hi AniMate, marry Christmass 2U! Hey, it´s not my fault that you said what you said at the report. Btw, aren´t you repeating yourself in your comment here? I supose Peacemaker67 got it at the first time you said that I wanna get people blockheed... FkpCascais (talk) 06:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- You might be more than a little thin on evidence for this one. You might want to try one you have a snowballs chance in hell in getting up... Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Wow.. FkpCascais must really be feeling "alone" like he said. Using talkpage maneuvers to block sources is considerably easier when your friends are there to agree with you. I assume he feels the "sources vs. talk" ratio is not sufficiently in his favor.
- You might be more than a little thin on evidence for this one. You might want to try one you have a snowballs chance in hell in getting up... Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:39, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- No hard feelings Peacemaker67, it´s my first time to make a SPI report, so I need to get practice and familiarised when I spot some coincidences. Hi AniMate, marry Christmass 2U! Hey, it´s not my fault that you said what you said at the report. Btw, aren´t you repeating yourself in your comment here? I supose Peacemaker67 got it at the first time you said that I wanna get people blockheed... FkpCascais (talk) 06:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
- Old Alasdair gave up on Wikipedia a long time ago. But he's not blocked and he can edit with his own account if he really wants. I don't know why FkpCascais would think he would try to use a new account. I mean, it does not matter who it is, new user or old, if someone supports the inclusion of negative information he/she is likely to be accused of being biased :). Also, while we got along very well, Al was never involved in this Chetnik quagmire at all. I think he stopped editing well before the collaboration mess began in earnest. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 07:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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