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I am giving up (at least for a while). I had hopes things could change and we could end up with a decent and balanced article. But you cannot do this with people bickering over each little sentence or word, with people more interested in disrupting things to make a [[WP:POINT|point]] than making a real contribution. Wikipedia is simply to big and there are too many other subjects I would like to carry on (or start) working on for me to waste my precious little wiki-time on [[Kosovo]]. I wish you all the best, my friend. [[User:Asterion|Asterion]] <sup>[[User talk:Asterion|<font color="Green">talk to me</font>]]</sup> 09:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Panonian, kako da na onoj stranici history, koja zabelezava neke izmene dodam kratki komentar. I da, jos nesto, jel smem da izmenim nesto sto pise o Kosovu, pa da dam razlog ili ce da me ukinu. Hvala Gianni ita 21:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC) Hvala ti za ovo objasnjenje, ali evo ovi vratise na staru verziju. Ja sam stvarno bio neutralan u onom sto sam dodao ali jebiga, ostade da je KLA nastala kao neka neorganizovana vojska koja se borila za sam zivot albanskog zivlja. Mislim da je to stvarno sramota zbog svih zrtava i imajuci u vidu koji su ljudi na celu kla, i cime se bave, ne znam kome da pisem, ovi ce stalno da vracaju na staru verziju. Gianni ita 22:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
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Mozes li pogledati sledece glasanje o clanku 'Kristalna noc u Zadru' [1]. Clanak ce biti obrisan u protivnom, kao sto se uklanjaju i ostala svedocanstva o stradanju Srba - uprkos svim dokazima i linkovima. Hvala.
Nemanyya 05:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
About Transylvania
Mr. Pannonian watch and think about!
Public letter of Sabin Gherman a Romanian from Transylvania (Sabin Gherman - chairman of Pro Transilvania) originally appeared in Monitorul de Cluj:
I am fed-up with Romania!
by Sabin Gherman
I am fed-up with John Doe (Transl. note: in romanian Mitica), with the smartarseness and with the Gypsy-like behaviour that are associated to this country name, Romania. I talk to several politicians who hold the power and all of them tell me that "we have no chance whatsoever"(Transl. note: to join modern Europe). I read in the newspapers and find that the government took care to give more funds to Bucharest than to the entire Transylvania, from the '98 revenue. I drive the car South and East and I notice the difference: there are better highways there, funds are always pumped in there. I wait in line at the revenue office, at the state-owned bank, at anything state-owned and tips are given everywhere. Bribes. Payola. Turkish habits, which one cannot do without.
So what? I don't want to emigrate, just because nothing has been done in ten years. I'm just fed-up with Romania. With its synonyms. With its heroisms taken out of any historical context. Other nations show their pride in Michelangelo or Da Vinci, whereas I'm shown the letter of Neacsu from Cimpulung (Transl.note: the first document written in Romanian, dated 1521 and sent by Neacsu to the Saxon mayor of Brasov, Transylvania, with reference to Turkish war ship movements on the Danube). What a fantastic achievement, this delation! (Transl, note: a quotation from Ion Luca Caragiale) If I regret anything at all now, at 30 years old, it is that I was born here, that I am among those who had been taught in school that this people, - "the beoble" (Transl. note: another quotation from Ion Luca Caragiale), Gentlemen, was in a permanent erection in front of history. What people? We, who hadn't shown virility at least once, we, who were packing up in times of invasion and ran for our lives to the forests, we, who were fainting in the halls where history was being decided (Transl. note: reference to the Romanian Foreign minister's faint, when he heard the Vienna decision in 1940, returning Northern Transylvania to Hungary), we, who nowadays scream for a piece of bread and don't know what more tricks to invent.
Here we are, bum-patched, elbow-ripped, we enter history as if a filthy pub in the neighbourhood. Between two burps and a swearing, the people (the beoble, gentlemen!), talk fiercely about Posada (Transl. note: the pass where King Karoly Robert of Hungary lost the battle in 1330 after being attacked from the back), about Michael The Brave (Mihai Viteazul, prince of Walachia, or Muntenia, who conquered Transylvania and Moldavia at about 1600), about "Long live and prosper Moldavia, Transylvania and Muntenia!" (Transl.note: historical provinces of the nowadays Romania). And yet another victorious burp. I'm fed-up with being ashamed of myself. That's why I tell my Western friends that I am from Transylvania. Altra paese. Other country. L'autre pays. I'm fed-up with being told by all non-Transylvanians that here, in Transylvania, I have troubles with Hungarians. That, weren't they... That hunger is the mother of wisdom. That federalisation is the most terrible danger watching me, stalking on me around the corner of the tower of flats along to the mugger whom I pay taxes for. That I ought to tighten the belt, as if Nasreddine's donkey (Transl.note: reference to folk stories about Nasreddine Hoca or Hodja). In the name of the "unity" and "prosperity" of the romanian kin. Yet I, who have been waiting for 10 years for a real unity, the unity of Transylvanian parliament members for Transylvania, the civic campaign to save the few that is left.
Yet I, praying each evening to finally come to an end with László Tőkés, with his ethnical aberrations against everyone. (Transl.note: ironical reference to the Hungarian Reformat bishop, the frequent target of Romanian nationalists' attacks). Yet, in vain. So far. Some people carried out the Unification (of Transylvania with Romania) in 1918. Other people put their hopes in a Swiss-type confederation, together with Hungary, Czechia, and Austria. And still others, as Ioan Slavici, said that the unification of Transylvania with Romania is hogwash, and were jailed. Now we can see its outcome. Sobriety, elegance, and discipline - features of Transylvania - were invaded by johndoeisms, by ordinary Balkan habits, by the civilisation of the pumpkin seeds. It was Romania's chance to unite with Transylvania, to learn something from its organisation, from its systems of values. It did not happen so; Romania swallowed Transylvania - this is why nowadays one can slide every three yards on the saliva spat on the great boulevards. It is not myself who says this, but someone equal to God, Cioran (Transl.note: Romanian born Emil Cioran (1911-1995), active in France as a writer). Many will throw in their two cents to argue the aforesaid. But: how many of you didn't go to Bucharest with your filled bag, with the famous wovenbag, stuffed with bottles of hard drink? And you didn't bring it to your friends, but to chief executive officers, to ministries, to high places behind closed doors. And if, naive as you are, you didn't carry those bags, how many times weren't you warned that one enters Bucharest with one's head, since your hands are busy with "luggages". Bucharest, this place where the phthisic genius kisses the billionaire illiterate, taught all the country that "one is given". "Meat is given", "Eggs are given". One is given. Mollusk attitude.
One has no rights here, only conventionalities. Here one eats pumpkin seeds, one uses to talk like: "there is many", and people generally are born, spawn, and die. They haven't learned anything from Hungarians, they haven't learned anything from Austrians, they haven't learned anything from Germans. Too early they switched from "forktion" (Transl.note: a quotation from Vasile Alecsandri; an ironical reference to snobs, who, having no good French skills, thought enough adding the -tion suffix to the Romanian word furculita=fork, to get its foreign version) to "Romanian brigades pierce through Carpathians!" (Transl. note: the marching song of the royal Romanian army when in 1916, after two years of neutrality, attacked the Hungarian held Transylvania, but withdrawn soon, after 3 weeks, because of military failure). Maybe this is why the bravest "defenders" of Transylvania were born beyond the Carpathians. Maybe this is why Europe ends somewhere near Brasov. There's where Transylvania ends as well. Since, besides language and poor highways we have nothing in common.
We will have to wake up. To admit that what happens now is a comedy. But one in which your children ask you for a chocolate, and you just raise your shoulders. In which, tremblingly, you always look for a recommendation for anything. In which you whisper round corners about the villas of policemen, or of parliament members. A world doomed to borrowing from one salary to the next one. We will have to see that it can be otherwise. That we are different. That all the evil comes from Bucharest, from the luxury palaces, where politicians dispute the bone without any shame at all. We will have to see that it's not Hungarians, or Germans, or people of Burundi those who are our enemies, but ourselves, who live from one day to the next one, doomed to steal and swear around corners. We have nothing what to tell each other anymore, we have been doing this for 75 years (Transl. note: since 1918 when Transylvania was united with Romania) and we are 75 times poorer now. Otherwise, have nice days - I'm fed-up with Romania, I want my Transylvania!
(Sept. 16, 1998)
or in Romanian: Sabin Gherman : M-am saturat de Romania.
M-am saturat de Mitica, de smechereala si tigania pe care le lasa in urma acest nume de tara, Romania. Vorbesc cu diversi politicieni, aflati la putere, si toti imi spun: "nu mai avem nici o sansa". Citesc prin ziare ca Bucurestiului guvernul a avut grija sa-i aloce de la bugetul '98 o suma mai mare decit a intregului Ardeal. Calatoresc cu masina prin sud si est si vad diferenta: acolo sint drumuri mai bune, se fac mereu investitii. Stau la coada la finante, la CEC, la orice apartine Statului si peste tot se da spaga. Ciubuc. Pesches. Turcisme fara de care nu se poate. Si atunci? Eu nu vreau sa emigrez numai pentru ca de 10 ani nu se face nimic. Doar ca m-am saturat de Romania. De sinonimele ei. De eroismele ei, scoase din orice context istoric. Altii se lauda cu Michelangelo sau Da Vinci si mie mi se arata scrisoarea lui Neacsu din Cimpulung. Fantastica realizare delatiunea!... Daca regret ceva, acum la treizeci de ani, e ca m-am nascut aici, ca fac parte din cei ce au invatat pe la scoli ca poporul asta, boborul, domnilor, a fost intr-o erectie continua in fata istoriei. Care popor? Noi, cei care n-am facut nici macar o data dovada virilitatii, noi, care in timpul invaziilor ne ridicam poalele in cap si fugeam in paduri, noi, care lesinam prin salile unde se hotara istoria, noi, care astazi ne scremem pentru o bucata de piine si nu mai stim ce smechereli sa mai inventam. Astia sintem, peticiti in cur, rupti in coate; intram in istorie ca-ntr-o infecta crisma de cartier. Intre doua ghioraituri si-o injuratura, poporul (boborul, domnilor), vorbeste batos despre Posada, despre Mihai Viteazu, despre "traiasca si-nfloreasca Moldova, Ardealul si Tara Romaneasca". Si - iarasi - un ghiorait victorios. M-am saturat sa-mi fie rusine. De aceea, prietenilor mei din vest le spun ca sint din Transilvania. Alta tara. Altra paese. Other country. L'autre pays. M-am saturat sa-mi spuna toti neardelenii ca aici, in Ardeal, am probleme cu ungurii. Ca daca n-ar fi ei... Ca foamea este mama intelepciunii... Ca federalizarea este cel mai mare pericol care ma paste, ma pindeste de dupa coltul blocului odata cu borfasul pentru care platesc impozit. Ca musai trebuie sa string cureaua, ca magarul lui Nastratin. In numele "unitatii", "propasirii" neamului rrromanesc. Si eu, care astept de 10 ani o unire adevarata, una a parlamentarilor ardeleni pentru Ardeal, o ofensiva civica pentru salvarea putinului ramas. Si eu, care ma rog in fiecare seara sa se termine odata cu Tokes Laszlo, cu aberatiile lui etnice impotriva tuturor. Si tot degeaba. Deocamdata. Niste oameni au facut Unirea de la 1918. Altii sperau intr-o confederatie de tip helvetic, impreuna cu Ungaria, Cehia si Austria. Altii, ca Slavici, au spus ca unirea Transilvaniei cu Romania e o porcarie si au facut puscarie. Acum se vede ce-a iesit. Seriozitatea, eleganta, disciplina - atribute ale Ardealului - au fost invadate de miticisme, de balcanisme ordinare, de civilizatia semintelor de bostan. Era o sansa pentru Romania sa se uneasca cu Transilvania, sa invete cite ceva din organizarea ei, din sistemele ei de valori. N-a fost asa; Romania a inghitit Transilvania - de aceea din trei in trei metri aluneci astazi pe flegmele de pe marile bulevarde. N-o spun eu, ci un egal al lui Dumnezeu, Cioran. Vor sari o gramada sa contrazica cele spuse mai sus. Dar: citi dintre voi n-au mers la Bucuresti cu plasa plina, cu celebra plasa de rafie in care se inghesuiau sticlele de palinca? Si n-o duceati la prieteni, ci la directori, la ministere, la inalte porti ferecate. Si daca, naivi fiind, n-ati dus acele plase, de cite ori vi s-a sugerat ca la Bucuresti se intra cu capul, miinile fiind ocupate cu "bagaje". Bucurestiul, acest loc in care genialul tebecist se pupa cu analfabetul miliardar, a invatat toata tara ca se da. "Se da carne". "Se da oua". Se da. Mentalitate de molusca. Aici nu ai drepturi, ci complezente. Aici se maninca seminte de bostan, se vorbeste cu "este multi" si lumea in general se naste, se inmulteste si moare. N-au invatat nimic de la unguri, n-au invatat nimic de la austrieci, n-au invatat nimic de la nemti. Au trecut prea repede de la furculision la Treceti batalioane romane Carpatii. Poate de aceea cei mai vajnici "aparatori" ai Transilvaniei s-au nascut dincolo de Carpati. Poate de aceea Europa se termina pe undeva pe linga Brasov. Acolo se termina si Transilvania. Pentru ca in afara de limba si sosele proaste nu avem nimic in comun. Va trebui sa ne trezim. Sa recunoastem ca ceea ce se intimpla acum e o comedie. Dar una in care copiii va cer o ciocolata si voi dati din umeri. In care mereu infrigurati cautati o pila pentru orice. In care susotiti pe la colturi despre vilele celor din politie sau din parlament. O lume sortita imprumutului de la un salariu la altul. Va trebui sa vedem ca se poate si altfel. Ca sintem altfel. Ca relele cele mari vin de la Bucuresti, de la luxoasele palate in care politicienii se bat fara nici o jena pe ciolan. Va trebui sa vedem ca nu ungurii sau nemtii sau burundezii sint inamicii nostri, ci noi insine, traitorii de pe azi pe minine, obligati sa furam si sa injuram pe la colturi. Nu mai avem ce sa ne spunem; am facut-o 75 de ani si sintem de 75 de ori mai saraci. In rest, zile bune - m-am saturat de Romania, vreau Transilvania mea.
and finally in Serbian :
Otvoreno pismo rumuna Sabina Germana objavljeno 16. septembra 1998. godine u novinama Monitorul de Kluž.
Pun mi je k... (op. prev.:doslovno bi bilo Sit sam) Mitice (op. prev.: rumunska varijanta Gedže) hohštapleraja, vrdanja i svega što asocira na državu Rumuniju. Razgovaram sa raznoraznim političarima, i svi mi govore "Nemamo nikakve šanse" (op. prev.: stići u Evropu). Čitam u novinama da je iz budžeta za 1998. godinu vlada više novaca dodelila Bukureštu nego čitavoj Transilvaniji. Putujem autom prema jugu, istoku i uočavam razliku – na jugu su bolji putevi, više se investira u privredu. Čekam u redu kod poreznika, ispred državne banke, svugde se daju napojnice. Mito, harač. Turski običaji bez kojih se ne može.
Pa šta? Ja neću da emigriram samo zato što se u poslednjih 10 godina ništa nije promenilo. Samo što mi je pun k... Rumunije. Sa njenim sinonimima. K...čenjima koja nemaju blage veze sa istorijom. Drugi se ponose sa Mikelanđelom i Leonardom a meni turaju pod nos pismo kaluđera Neakše iz Kimpulunga (op. prev.: Prvi pisani tekst na rumunskom iz 1521. godine, poslato saskom gradonačelniku Brašova u Transilvaniju o pokretima turskih ratnih brodova na Dunavu). Koje izvanredno potkazivačko dostignuće. Ako nešto žalim u tridesetoj, to je da sam ovde rođen. Da sam jedan od onih koje su učili u školi da je ovaj narod –navod (op. prev.: izraz koji je upotrebio Jon Luka Karadžale, "boborul" umesto "poporul") odvajkada stajao uspravno pred istorijom. Koji narod? Da smo se bar jednom poneli kao junaci, mi koji smo pred neprijateljem neustrašivo bežali u šumu, mi koji smo se onesvešćivali u salonima u kojima se odlučivalo o istoriji (op. prev.: rumunski ministar inostranih poslova se onesvestio u Beču 1940. godine, kad je čuo da je Severna Transilvanija vraćena Mađarskoj), mi koji se i danas prepiremo oko komada hleba i koji ne znamo kakvu novu podlost da izmislimo.
To smo mi, zakrpljenih gaća, poderanih rukava, i stupamo na scenu istorije kao u neki prljavi seoski bircuz. A narod (gospodo "navod") u trenucima između dva podrigivanja i jedne psovke besedi u stavu mirno o Posadi (op. prev.: klanac u Vlaškoj gde je mađarski kralj Karlo Robert poražen 1330. godine), o Mihaju Hrabrom (op. prev.: Mihai Viteazul, vlaški vojvoda koji je pokorio Moldaviju i deo Transilvanije 1600. godine), o "Da živi i cveta Moldavija, Transilvanija i Vlaška" (op. prev.: Istorijske kneževine današnje Rumunije). Pa još jedno pobedničko podrigivanje. Pun mi je k... i srama. Baš zbog toga mojim prijateljima sa zapada kažem da sam iz Transilvanije. Altra paese. Other country. L'autre pays. Pun mi je k... toga, da mi svi koji nisu iz Transilvanije govore da ja ovde u Transilvaniji imam problema sa mađarima, jer kad njih ne bi bilo,... da je glad majka znanja. Da je federalizacija najveća pošast koja me vreba kao džeparoš iz prikrajka, kome plaćam porez. Da moram da stegnem kaiš, kao magarac Nasredina Hodže. Zarad "jedinstva" i "prosperiteta" rrrumunskoga roda. A ja već 10 godina čekam pravo jedinstvo, jedinstvo transilvanijskih poslanika, građansku kampanju da se spasi što se još spasiti može.
Ja, koji se svake večeri molim za propast Lasla Tekeša (op. prev.: biskup reformatorske crkve u Transilvaniji, meta nacionalističkih ispada) i njegovih etničkih zabluda. Bezuspešno. Za sada. Jedni su izneli teret ujedinjenja, 1918 godine. Drugi su se nadali konfederaciji švajcarskog tipa, zajedno sa Mađarskom, Češkom i Austrijom. Treći kao Joan Slavici su rekli da je ujedinjenje Transilvanije sa Rumunijom svinjarija, i stavljeni su iza brave. Sad se vidi šta je od toga ispalo. Ozbiljnost, eleganciju i disciplinu koje su krasile Transilvaniju je preplavila gedžovanština, ordinarne balkanske gluposti i ražanj civilizacija (op. prev.:doslovno bi bilo civilizacija bundevinih semenki). Rumunija je imala šansu da od Transilvanije nauči nešto o ustrojstvu i sistemu vrednosti jednog društva. No to se nije desilo. Rumunija je progutala Transilvaniju. E baš zbog toga na velikim bulevarima možete da se okliznete na ispljuvcima, na svaka 3 metra . Ne tvrdim to ja, nego neko ko je ravan Bogu Emil Cioran (op. prev.: Emil Cioran 1911-1995 francuski pisac rumunskog porekla). Mnogi bi sad da demantuju ove reči. Ali pitam se ko od vas nije išao za Bukurešt sa punom torbom, sa famoznom pletenom torbom punih flaša rakije. Ne, niste to nosili vašim prijateljima nego direktorima, ministrima, na "visoke adrese" iza zamandaljenih vrata. Ali ako ste išli praznih ruku, koliko puta ste opominjani da se u Bukureštu vrata otvaraju glavom, jer su vam ruke "zauzete". Bukurešt – u kome se tuberkulozni genije ljubi sa nepismenim milijarderom – je naučio celu zemlju da "nešto deli". "Meso se deli", "jaja se dele". Deli se. Bezkičmeno ponašanje.
Tu ne postoji pravo, samo loši običaji. Grickaju semenke i govore "mnoga je" a raja se rađa, mresti se i umire. Ništa nisu naučili od mađara, ništa nisu naučili od austrijanaca, ništa nisu naučili od nemaca. Prerano su prešli sa furkulicije (op. prev.: izraz je upotrebio Vasile Aleksandri, furculita- vile na rumunskom + tion = furculition, da izgleda otmenije - sinonim za malograđanštinu - na srpskom "limunacija") na "Rumunske brigade pređite Karpate" (op. prev.: koračnica Rumunske Kraljevske Armije kada je Rumunija 1916. posle dve godine neutralnosti napala Transilvaniju, ali je poražena nakon 3 nedelje). Verovatno su zbog toga najvatreniji "branitelji" Transilvanije rođeni preko Karpata. Možda se i Evropa zato završava kod Brašova. Tamo se završava i Transilvanija. Ništa nas drugo ne vezuje osim zajedničkog jezika i loših puteva.
Treba da se probudimo. Da priznamo da to što nam se dešava jeste komedija. Komedija u kojoj deca traže od vas čokoladu, a vi sležete ramenima. U kojoj drhteći tražite potporu. Gde se na ćoškovima šuška o vilama policajaca i državnih funkcionera. Jedan svet kome je suđeno da između dve plate živi od pozajmica. Treba da shvatimo da možemo i drugačije. Da smo drugačiji. Da sve što je zaista loše dolazi iz Bukurešta, iz vila u kojima se naši političari svađaju oko privilegija. Treba da uočimo da nisu mađari, nemci ili burundijci naši najveći neprijatelji, već mi sami koji živimo od jutra do sutra i kojima je suđeno da kradu i psuju po ćoškovima. Nema šta da kažemo jedni drugima, za 75 godina sve je rečeno i bar 75 puta smo siromašniji. Inače želim vam dobar dan – pun mi je k... Rumunije, hoću svoju Transilvaniju.
Bendeguz 05:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
In my sight the central thought is in following phrases : Sobriety, elegance, and discipline - features of Transylvania - were invaded by johndoeisms, by ordinary Balkan habits, by the civilisation of the pumpkin seeds. It was Romania's chance to unite with Transylvania, to learn something from its organisation, from its systems of values. It did not happen so; Romania swallowed Transylvania - this is why nowadays one can slide every three yards on the saliva spat on the great boulevards.
There is too much from johndoeisms, Balkan habits, and roasting-jack civilization in Transylvania, and in Vojvodina too. And there is just a little of organisation and systems of values.
In 1914 Vojvodina had the second densest railway network in Europe. Where is this today? The complete railroad is in collapse, in ruines. There is only 5-6 railways in use. And what you think about the patched roads, highways, about the poisoned waters, about the 40 years old dams, about the "almost dead" villages, about the "almost dead" cultural life, about the "half empty" theatres and the full as an egg stadiums, with concerts of the singers with artificial boobbies.
What is your opinion about the devastated industry, about the empty working halls, about the badly bad working discipline, about the occasionally paided and underpaided working class, about the maximized thieving limit (the allowed sum is 15,000 Dinars = cca.170 Euros), about the newly rich people, about the illiterate billionaires, about the corruption, about the impinges of police, about a lots of undetected crimes?
Vojvodina was the richest part of the newborn state in 1918. And here we are bum-patched and elbow-ripped. Why? Because, the “Big Brother” swallowed Vojvodina, and because, they haven’t learned anything from nobody, and they haven’t learned anything from history. Bendeguz 17:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Watch the "Utisak nedelje" on the TV B92 about "culture".
Sorry. Bendeguz 19:21, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
E cao, evo napravismo napokon normalan clanak o Kosovu. Sta kazes? Samo jos jedno pitanje da te pitam i vise necu da te smaram, kako prave ovi useri one boxove gde im pise, ovaj radi ovo, ovaj pije ovo, ovaj podrzava ovo... Gianni ita 20:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Zrenjanin
Zbog cega uklanjate moje slike koje sam postavio? Alexzr88 21:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC) Ne,nije problem sto pise na madjarskom. Autor slika koje postavljam sam ja. Kako da definisem copyright?Alexzr88 07:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
A gde treba tacno da napisem to o copyright-u? Alexzr88 18:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Postavio sam sliku suda,umesto vase.Nadam se da odgovara. Alexzr88 20:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
OK. Hvala ti sto si rasporedio moje slike u odgovarajuce kategorije! Alexzr88 17:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
E,super si odradio ono sa "zastavom Zrenjanina". Zrenjanin nema zastavu, vec samo grb iz 1968. Jos samo kad bi postavio prikladniju mapu SCG sa obelezenim Zrenjaninom...Alexzr88 19:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
About the Macedonian census data
Hi,Yes it shows the new municipalities, you can visit this site: www.mls.gov.mk for the municipalities, but its entirely in macedonian, and this one for the last macedonian census data:www.stat.gov.mk, but i haven't checked it .I hope i was helpfull.Vlatko 14,34 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Help!
Добио сам ову карту помоћу screen capture-а са ове странице. Био бих захвалан, ако би ми могао помоћи око лиценце, јер уопште немам појма око тога :) Ако може да се користи та карта, онда ћу је употребити за серију чланака о општинама Србије (да означим где је која општина). Хвала унапред! --estavisti 15:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Article Improvement Belgrade
You may wish to vote for Belgrade at the Article Improvement Drive page, here. --estavisti 21:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Nekoliko pitanja:
- Da li je Banat 1941-1944 zaista bio unutar Srbije? Ako jeste, mozes li saznati puno ime toga entiteta? Bilo bi dobro i da znamo puno ime Srbije iz 1941-1944. Ja sam cuo da se koristilo Kraljevina...
- Mislim da je besmisleno staviti iz 1941-1944 Crnu Goru u to. Znas i sam zasto...
- Zar nisu Srbija i Crna Gora bile Socijalisticke Republike do pada Milosevica, 2000 godine?
- Zar nije Socijalisticka Autonomna Regija Kosovo i Metohija ostala takva do 1999, kada UN preuzima? A zar Socijalisticka Autonomna Provincija Vojvodina nije isto do 2000, do demokratizacije nosila ime?
- Zasto si u Istorijskim ponovio Srbija, Vojvodina, Kosovo i Metohija, Crna Gora? --HolyRomanEmperor 23:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Izvini za SAO Zapadnu Slavoniju. Evo vracam je. Imam ideju. Sto ne izbacis englesko ime iz clanka Vojvodina sa one tabele desno? Vec se nalazi na pocetku clanka... Ni jedan drugi takav clanak ne sadrzi slicno. Razlog zasto Kosovo i Metohija ima Kosovo je zbog UN-a. Predlazem da bude cirilicno sprsko velikim slovima, pa ispod latinicno nesto manjim i onda malo sva ostala. I da, pogledaj History of Vojvodina. Tu pise da joj je Milosevic skinuo autonomiju 1990. Nije, 1989 je. A zasto se tu spominje Kosovo kada je to clanak o Vojvodini? --HolyRomanEmperor 23:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Secam se 1998 kada su se zaostravale tenzije na Kosovu i Metohiji, i S. M. je rekao ...u ime Socijalisticke Republike Srbija, a kada je Seselj pretio da nece biti Albanaca na Kosmetu 1999, i tu je upotrebio Socijalisticka Republika Srbija.
Od 1945 do 1963 svaka clanica FNRJ-a se zvala Narodna Republika. Ja sam hteo da preciziramo iskljucivo srpske zemlje tu, pa to ne treba navoditi od 1945 do 1974, jere je tada sprski narod bio zvanican u celoj Jugoslaviji. Od 1974 se sve rasparcalo, i svaka Soc. Republika je dobila sve zasebno, pa ih treba navoditi posebno... --HolyRomanEmperor 23:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Samo da znas, imamo semi-vandalizam na Template:Districts of Serbia. Pokusao sam popraviti, ali je wiki nesto neprirodno spora. --HolyRomanEmperor 23:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
If you wont to work for Wikipedia
Template talk:Kosovo --Hipi Zhdripi 06:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
PANONIAN,
- I think we should remove the former names for the Republics of Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia-Herzegovina to the present. Those are only renamings.
- Kosovo is the official name used by the UN. I think that that short name should be used instead.
- Isn't Brcko according to the peace treaty a part of the Serbian Republic, but disputed since 2000?
- The reason why I removed the autocratic Montenegro Italian puppet-state is that I want to name strictly Serb Lands, and only where that's consitutional. No matter that Serbs form the majority of a Town in Africa, they're not official there. I wish only to point out the communities where Serbs are officialized. I think that between 1918 and 1992, Montenegro shouldn't be mentioned. Up to 1992, Montenegro was the state of Montenegrins and its language Serbo-Croatian. In 1992, the official language became Serbian and a large portion of the population surged from Montenegrin to Serbian nationality, while others openly stated that they consider it nationality, and not ethnicity.
- OK, verujem ti za 1992, samo to se ne uklapa sa Milosevicevim Socijalizmom.
- Ono Area/Region je sukob. Tip uredjenja Bosanske Krajine, koja je bila Regija, je razlicit od tri Oblasti. U Hrvatskoj, Kninska Krajina je isto bila drukcija poptuno od Krajine, Zapadne Slavonije i Istocne Slavonije, Baranje i Zapadnog Srema. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ne razumem sto si preimenovao Srem-Baranja Area. UN su to zvale protektorat Istocne Slavonije, Baranje i Zapadnoga Srijema; srpske lokalne vlasti su koristile naziv Republika..., i to zvanicno, iako se tako nije na to moglo gledati (a i bila je republika po svakom pogledu)
- Stavicu 'NPOV-section' tag na srednjovekovne drzave. Svaka godina je pogresna, a i mnogo ima rupa. Mislim da ces se sloziti. Trebalo bi da to ostavimo tu dok ne nadjemo vremena da popravimo. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:30, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Geo-stubs from Kosovo
Hi - i see youve been changing the tags on a lot of Kosovo geogrophy stubs from {{Serbia-geo-stub}} to {{geo-stub}}. Tho i can understand you not wanting {{serbia-geo-stub}} on them, {{geo-stub}} is only used now as a temporary holding template until things are sorted further. could i please ask you to use {{SerbiaMontenegro-geo-stub}} which is for all the territories internationally regarded as being part of serbia and Montenegro? I realise Kosovos situation is unusual with it being basically a UN protectorate but for Wp purposes its officially regarded as part of SM (the Category:Kosovo is part of Category:Subdivisions of Serbia and Montenegro for instance). it will also make it easier for us to keep track of how many articles there are and it will make it easier for editors to find the articles. hopefully the future status of the whole region will soon become clearer and we can make stub types to suit all the nations in the former Yugoslav regions but until then were holding off on creating seperate templates for fear of having some more POV ones like srpska-stub and kosova-stub appearing. thanks. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 13:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Aha, Panoniane, sada sam vidio moj istorijski atlas (i raspitao se), Sovijalisticka je izbaceno iz Vojvodine i Kosmeta 1989. godine, kada je Sloba...
- Dobro, spomeni Crnu Goru, ali gledaj. Ako ces pomenuti zemlju, u kojoj nije uspio da se stvori Crnogorski jezik, pa je prihvacen Hrvatski jezik, zemlju koja tvrdi da je njen narod arijevski narod hrvatskog porekla i da je 1,000 godine bio mucen od strane Srba; ne zaboravi da su 1941 godine izvrsene "cistke" kojima su pobijeni svi Cetnici i njihove porodice; ne znam zasot onda ne bi stavio i NDH. A Crna Gora ti je nestala 1943 zajedno sa Italijom, tada Nemci stvaraju "sektor" na teritoriji Crne Gore i drugde.
After the Miloseviq putch the Kosovo parliament (it was the konflikt with Azem Vllasi) he occupetit a parlament (Kosovo) with force. After thayt Kosovo stopt existing in SFR Yougoslawia (oficel acceptit for UN), and Kosovo it was nothin more or lase the histori in Sebia. Becose thet the Milosheviq has makit that with forc (putch) the hase callit the UN for help. This is not importen hier but, in Serbian after this time Milosevic has maket a teritoriali administretit reforms and maket the districkts thet you are presenting hier in Wikipedia. Thet is till now in Serbia and Vojodina becose the parliament of Belrad and Novi Sad acceptit the reform and Kosovos parliament hase callit rev. in UN. That was the Kosovo War. This rev. is acceptei from Rusia, England, USA, China ect. withother words UN. UNMIK is playinm the rol of Kosovos parliament and they garand thet nobody cann make the chanches in kosovo only the Kosovos parliamnet and the Court Law of Kosovo wich is working with the Law befor the Milosevic has maked the putsch. Evry thig wat the Prishtinas parliament is saying and is accepit from the UNMIK must be acceptet from parlament in Serbia in anether keyses Serbia is going to lose ewerithing in Kosovo . see Ramboui agreement the UN accept the kosovars the referendum for they independent accordin to the UN (also UNMIK). UNMIK is wayting wat is hapen in Wien.
Im sorry about my english, but if I dont know to writte in english so gut I can read (anderstande und serban lang.). The sebians user are train to present Kosovo as administretied from Serbia. They dont have a clear argument that Kosovo is part of Serbia. They inteprete tha UN documetations. But a clear documentnt from the UN i wich is written that "Kosovo is a part of Serbia" they dont have. I ather sayd I have presentit the dokumentacion from the UN in wich is wroting " Kosovo is Provinc in Balkan". The user (now with user name) Asterion and mamy more names is playen the dirt game only to block, rev. and souch of thing in the articls wats has to do with Kosovo. If he don stop with his works i am a fried thet is not gut for Wikipedia, because the albanians users (they can start the same game) are preparing to make the same game with serbiens pagese.
The fact from UN are:
Kosovo (the mining of this wort) is a provinc in SFR of Yugoslavia and the UNMIK is ther accoeding to Res. 1244 and Rambuie meeting. The UNMIK is goin to be ther till the futer statuse of kosovo.
Up hier
Res 1244 the repsenters of Kosova are UNMIK acordin to Rambuie: the Kosovars have the right to Referendum (the have declaredit Kosovo is indenpendent)
after that:
The name of state SFR of Yugoslavia was chanched to Serbia and Montenegro.
Key point: Un is the garant of the integrety state borders for the members of the bound. (Montenegro it was a fried without this paragraf to go in bount with serbia, they have acceptit that till they folk of Montenegro dised with refrendum)
Un is the garant or the referendu in Kosovo the referndum it was maket according to Rabuie agrement wich is imlemntit in the Rez. 1244.
Becose of the key point if we present Kosovo as part of Serbia we are maken a futer status or the status in the SFR Yougoslavia, of kosovo as a provin of the Serbia or SR of Serbia. But now in year 2006 Kosovo is Non Statute Area. The UNMIK is goin to be ther till the futer statuse of kosovo.sommer, 2006 the kosovo dont have the statuse, they are talking about that in Wien an the flag unter wich kosovo is dieling with the ouher states is UN flag.
I Holpe that you are anderstending that hier is not the quesen of the nationalismus but the representing the Wikipedian user the real situation, with teks, maps, kategory stubs and the templers.
All I have don till now in Wikipedia this person has destroid.
I am see that someny serbs and albaniens user they dont know nothing about the histori of the Kosovo (I know the histori after the year 1981, Kosovos demonstration and the Jugosllav army intervention in Kosovo), or the districtes, citys or samthing alls. All that they know is Ksoovo is Serbia, and Kosova Republik--Hipi Zhdripi 18:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Nastavak
- Da, republika je bila koristena kao naziv, 90%, iako nije zvanicno. Sigurno nismo govori Sremsko-baranjska oblast, vec Istocna Slavonija, Baranja i Zapadni Srijem.
- Pa, gledaj, pise da je postojala neka Srbija u 9 veku. Sta je to? Onda pise Duklja da je postojala u 9 i 11-12 veku, dok je ona nastala u prvoj polovini 9 veka, kratko nestajala za vreme Bugarskih i Makedonskih osvajanja u 9 i 10 veku i nestala u 13 veku (a ne 14), kada su Nemanjici zaboravili na krunu i zamenili ime Zetom u potpunosti. Travunija? Isti slucaj, od prve polovine 7 veka pa do 11 veka kada je utopljena u Duklju. Kao Trebinje se javila kao udeona knezevina u srpskoj drzavi Nemanjica, ali ne izdvojena u potpunosti. Zahumlje? Postojalo takodje od prve polovine 7 veka pa osvajano od strane Hrvata u 10 veku, kratko nestalo nakon toga da bi bilo vraceno i opstalo sve do pada u ruke Turaka 1482. Paganija? Isto postojala od prve polovine 7 veka sve do prikljucenja s Hrvatskom 1050, pa ju je onda utopilo Zahumlje ubrzo nakon toga. --HolyRomanEmperor 17:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- HolyRomanEmperor, you are going to fide out if you dont thin like serb, but like a Wikipedian. Becose of that I like Wikipedia, hier you can finde the true from the peopel not the true from "bisness peopel" historians. Wacke up, finde out in wich time the peopel ther have strartit to say Serbia. Fide out and select dont put every think in one name "Serbia". Im no saying that ther war albaners but my self I am train to finde the true historie. --Hipi Zhdripi 18:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Bilo bi i lepo da pise 927-960 umesto 10 vek kod Caslavove drzave (koja se zvala Knezevstvo Srbija), no to nije problem. Problem je sto pise da je Raska postojala u 11-12 veku i drzava Nemanjica u 12-14 veku. Raska je nastala u prvoj polovini 7 veka, i od sredine 9 veka nije Zupanija, vec Velika Zupanija. Pala je pod Bugare krajem 9 i pocetkom 10 veka, ali oni su je samo na kratko i pred kraj ukinuli. Obnovljena je pocetkom 11 veka, nakom sto je prosla kroz kratkotrajnu Makedonsku okupaciju kao Zupanija, i ponovo Velika Zupanija od 12 veka. 1168, Stefan Nemanja naziva drzavu Srpska Zemlja, ali tu je Raska samo jedan deo. Raska inace ostaje sve do vremena prelaza iz Kraljevine u carstvo, kada se kao Prusija u Nemackoj gubi. Srpska Zemlja, s druge strane, je postojala do 1217, kada se zemlja zove Kraljevina Srba, a Srpsko carstvo od 1345. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Kosovo
See: Talk:Serbia --Hipi Zhdripi 19:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Re:
Ja koristim DAI, udzbenike iz Istorije, Srpske Dinastije Radosa Ljusica i jos neke izvore. Znas i sam da su Srbi pod nepoznatim arhontom dosli u prvoj polovini 7 veka. Mislim, ne znam kako Iraklije moze beleziti da je Srbima dao tih 5 zemalja, no one se pojavljuju 200 godina nakon njeogve smrti? Pa da, naravno da se ne nalaze na mapama, kada su bile sastavni deo Vizantije. U 9 veku su drzave pod na primer Petrom Gojnikovicem bile fakticki nezavisne, samo su srpske zemlje visile izmedju vecih, mocnijih drzava: Hrvatske, Bugarske i Vizantije.
A to o NDH-u, pa vidi, teritorijalno, Srbi su bili najveci narod (mislim nesto oko 50%), jer su drzali vecinu u najvise opcina. :) K'o sada u Bosni i Hercegovini. A brojno ih je bilo u postotcima nesto izmedju onih postotaka sto ih ima u CG i BiH. No, necemo dodati NDH, zar ne?
Znam da su konstitutivni narod Makedonije, ali ipak mislim da je besmisleno staviti nju u clanak. Pogledaj; ako cemo tako, onda i Hrvatsku treba staviti tu, jer se Srbi nalaze u ustavu. No, tu se onda ne uklapa cinjenica da su 1990 prakticno izbacili Srbe iz konstitutivnih naroda i sveli ih na manjinu. No, ti odluci. Ili stavi Makedoniju i Hrvatsku; ili nijednu. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
'bro; ali zar se ne odnosi Crnogorac i na Hrvata, Bosnjaka, Albanca i Muslimana koji zivi u Crnoj Gori? A, pogledaj Talk:Lika, User:Elephantus negira da je bilo ikakvog smanjivanja statusa Srba s nacije na manjinu. A opet, Srbi se nalaze u ustavu, dok se npr. u ustavu SAD uopste ne pominju :) (sala mala). --HolyRomanEmperor 23:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Banovine
Pregledao sam galerije mapa koje si uradio i zaista su dobre. Bio bih ti veoma zahvalan ukoliko bi u skorije vreme mogao da napravis mapu Kraljevine Jugoslavije sa banovinama. :) Alexzr88 16:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Projekt Dardania
You are wilkommen in Wikipedia:WikiProject Dardania--Hipi Zhdripi 20:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I dont know, but if you are you want to know wat is going to hapen with kosovo it must bee samthing like this: http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/?change_lang=en and if the Serbia, Montenegro and Kosovo is going to have a Federadion then the name of this Federation is going to be samthing els. But, till Kosovo is (de juro, in paper) a part of the FSR of Yogosllavia and together with RS of Serbia and ASP of Vojvodian it mus be so presentit or Serbia is goin to be presantet als Serbia unter the serbian flag and Kosova with UN-flag.
- We cann use the Law of Yougoslawia (RS Serbia=Serbia + SAP Kosovo + SAP Vojvodian; all three unter the RS of Serbia flag)
- We cann use the Law of UN (Rep. of Serbia unter serban flag - Kosovo unter the UN flag)
This is the real. If you dont acept this than you are doing that you are neutral but that is onyl a game. I holpe that you are workin for Wikipedia and not for the Serbian Govermant (politicans) propaganda. I am albaner but, hier I am working for Wikipedia to presante the region of Dardania als Ilirian kindom, province of Dardania unter the Romen Empir, provice Dardania als subdivesion of Moesia, Rashka and Zeta als teritoris with the independen church from Bisaninum, Shtefan Dushans Empire, The Duks from this region (unter the church of Bisantinum or Servia), Kosovo Vilajet unter the Otomans, Kosovo unter the Serbian state, Kosovo under the Albanian (fashist) state, Kosovo unter the Yogoslavien and at last Kosovo unter the UN. I have taket Kosovo becos is the centrum of the Dardania and the peopel ther file that. They dont wont to mergge with Albania, Serbia or any state in this time. If they make the bound with any state, thay are going to get the garatie from Church in Rom and Constatinopel and from UN.--Hipi Zhdripi 01:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
you have a answer see: Talk:Serbia#Correctly use of names and definitions. Not it!! The garantie from UN and the Church in Rom they have but the Servian Church is maken the problem at the Constatinopel Church.--Hipi Zhdripi 02:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Wise choice
A wise choice. It should save you many headaches indeed! Asterion 16:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
vlachs are romanians
Vlachs are romanians despite the fact that foreign people called them like that. --Chisinau 17:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Serbia, Montenegro
You could take a look at Serbia, a map of the state is lacking on the article. And when you view Montenegro, it is shown as a country of the world (rather than a part of the Union). --HolyRomanEmperor 19:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Uhh, PANONIAN, the Serbia article has no map whatsoever. :)
- Additionally, it is a simple POV-push to place it that they look like independent (like on Montenegro), since no territorial faction on wiki uses it. This particulary mapping system's designed specifically, and strictly for Countries of the World. --HolyRomanEmperor 20:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Appeal of the Year
Mole se građani Smedereva da ne kradu džakove sa peskom sa nasipa.
We appeal the citizens of Smederevo, do not steal the sandbags from the dams. (There is a hundred years flood on the Danube in Serbia). Bendeguz 21:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I was viewing the version vandalized by Hipi Zhdripi. OK; I'll do it as soon as I get time. --HolyRomanEmperor 21:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
COTW Project
You voted for Lipovans, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. -Scottwiki 04:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
you know not kosovo you fuck
Kosovo en great land. All kosovo? Albanians - noi serbs. en you find kosovo non-albanin? shquiptar is good, serb is bad; you stupid moronic fuckl must know all serbs must die. if you serb then stay away en kosovo or i call nato to kill yur paronts. Dou yu got? --Hipi Zhdripi
Seriously, all this stuff is so unintentionally hilarious. It should be archived somewhere for posterity... :D estavisti 13:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
I know someone who was banned for that. Do you have any info on Estonia? I have a friend who is Estonian and he claims there are only around fifteen hundred left. I understand that in Eastern Europe Estonians are known for their abilitys as spies. Is this the case?(username witheld as user is currently banned)
Well, you can read the Estonia article, and you will find there what you want to know. I do not know how your friend define what is one Estonian, but it is usually somebody who declare himself as Estonian in census and there is a lot of those who declare themselves like that. Also, I live in Central Europe, not in eastern one, so I really do not know are Estonians known for their abilitys as spies. You should ask somebody else about that. :) PANONIAN (talk) 23:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Palestine election map
Thanks for the excellent work on maps Panonian. I was looking at the Palestine election map you produced, from NYT sources as I saw, and wondering why there are any light green areas in Gaza. The whole of the Gaza Strip is under Palestinian administration. Can you update your map to reflect this? Thanks. Joffan 21:10, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
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Sorry
I am sorry, PANONIAN. I appreciate your mediation attempt in the Kosovo article. Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh. At this moment, after being subjected to several wiki-harrassment, wikistalking, ad-hominem attacks and vandalism in my own userpage, I am afraid that my wikistress is up the roof. I will be on holiday for the next few days and hopefully will be able to re-take the subject afresh. As far as I see it now, Ilir pz's attitude seems to be changing. He seems to be concentrating now in requesting citations, which is certainly a great improvement, but all this comes to nothing when dealing with Dardanv, as he seems more interested in symbols than in really expanding or enhancing the article. There is a lot work to do in that article. Most of the original text was written by Hipi Zhdripi a while ago and the English used is simply dreadful. I wish you good luck and hope you will help out with it, hopefully to take it to the same standard as Serbia article is at this moment. Kind regards, --Asterion 13:55, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- That line of yours is kind of annoying can you delete it when you post? --Andrei George 16:03, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- I mean this:"---" You make a lot of lines below your sig. Sorry to ask you this. Thank you Panonian.
--Andrei George 16:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- I figured it out...but they are still annoying :)
--Andrei George 16:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- At risk of sounding like De Niro, Andrei, "You talkin' to me? --Asterion talk to me 20:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
No, he was talking to me. :) PANONIAN (talk) 21:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
LOL! --Asterion talk to me 21:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Naming conventions and Đorđe Branković
Hi PANNONIAN. I had altered Đorđe to Đurađ for consistency. While I do not insist on this point, the name is really the same, and Đorđe seems to be the preferred modern form (e.g., Karađorđe), while Đurađ is more archaic and usually used for the Serbian despots of the Branković dynasty. Any distinction between the two caused by using the two different froms would be arbitrary. For example, in Miklosić one finds a charter (CDLXII, dated November 3 1494), in which both grandfather and grandson are named "Gjeōrgïe", while elsewhere the grandfather is "Gjurg" (CCCLI, fated September 17 1445), and the grandson similarly "Gjur" (CDXLII, dated October 1 1476). The sources are in Fr. Miklosich, Monumenta Serbica spectantia historiam Serbiae Bosniae Ragusii, Vienna, 1858 (reprinted Graz, 1964). Obviously the old Slavonic usage was not standardized and the names are the same. Since Đurađ was already used for the first Branković ruler of that name, I altered the Đorđe Branković on the Vojvodina page accordingly to Đurađ Branković (technically Đurađ II Branković would be even better). Do you object? Thanks, Imladjov 19:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Odgovor
Iako nevolim da raspravljam na ovoj Wikipediji na drugom jeziku osim na engleskom ipak u ovom slucaju je ocigledno da se radi o privatnoj raspravi koja nema veze ni sa jednom temom ovdje.
Mozes li da provjeris koliko sam ja to puta komentarisao Srbe? Mislim da ces vidjeti da u 95% mojih odgovora odgovarao sam pojedincima na konstatacije ili o institucijama za koje znam da su odgovorne za razne nevolje koje su nas stigle zadnjih 15 godina. Gotovo nikad ne pominjem Srbe kao grupu iz jednostavnog razloga sto nevjerujem u kolektivnu krivicu ali vjerujem u odgovornost institucija ali i zbog toga sto je izuzetno tesko objasnjavati bilo koju grupu ljudi. Ispravno jeste da mene nije protjerao narod ali me je protjerala institucija koja se dala u sluzbu tog naroda.
Neodbijam cinjenicu da su I Srbi puno propatili u proslom ratu ali krivicu u tome trebaju traziti u istim institucijama koje su istjerali I mene. Postoji velika razlika izmedju politike koju je vodila RS I koju je imala vlada BiH. RS je imala jasnu taktiku odvajanja Srpskog naroda od ostalih naroda BiH koju je uspjesno sprovela do 1995 godine. Postoji puno dokaza o tome I o tome da su vlasti RS sami ohrabrivali relokaciju Srpskog stanovnistva u teritorije pod kontrolom RS. Svakako da je bilo I izuzetnih slucajeva ali se oni nemogu uklopiti u politiku vlade BiH. Ta politika barem do 1994 godine je bilo odrzavanje multinacionalnost I multikulturalnost BiH. Samo za primjer za vrijeme rata 1994 godine u BiH parlamentu su I dalje funkcionisali predstavnici srpskog naroda a ambassador BiH u Francuskoj je bio Srbin. Jedan od vrhovni generala Armije BiH je bio Jovan Divjak. Istina jeste da je doslo do raskola ali sigurno ne voljom BiH vec voljom SDS-a, RS I radikalnih institucija iz Srbije.
Bosnjaci mogu nazvati RS kako god zele, da je genocidna tvorevina, entitet baziran na ratnom zlocinu ali pored svega toga RS je najvise tamnica Srpskog naroda u BiH. Srbi u RS-u danas nemaju nista vise nego sto su imali I prije rata u BiH niti bi sta izgubili da se RS sutra ukine. Cak sta vise RS sluzi za sakrivanje ratnih zlocinaca I odrzavanje sumornog osjecaja raskola koji drzi ljude u psihozi proslog rata I vjerovanja da je nemoguce zivjeti sa drugim narodima. Jedina stvar sto zapravo sprijecava ukidanje RS-a je kako objasniti ljudima koji su dali tolike zrtve da je sve to bilo za suludi cilj u koji su ih vodili dva psihopata. To ko ce vladati nad kim je cista nebuloza I zastrasivanje javnosti. Kao da se nemoze naci dogovor o ravnopravnoj podjeli vlasti ili u najboljem slucaju I ne po nacionalnoj osnovi.
Sto se tice bosnjackih politicara, dajes im previse kredibiliteta. Ja licno nisam niti imam namjeru da glasam za njih niti ih uglavnom podrzavam. To sto se moja misljenja ponekad poklapaju sa njihovim misljenjima samo govori da su ti politicari informisani o stanju I razmisljanju naroda koji navodno predstavljaju.
Sad za kraj. U moju kucu je usao “Srbin” iz Banja Luke, sa puskom I tri policajca RS-a, napravio popis nase imovine I zaprijetio da sve bude na svom mjestu kad budemo izlazili. Iskreno receno mi smo I dobro prosli. U velikom broju slucajeva ljudi kao ja nisu izvukli zivu glavu I bili su ubijeni na licu mjesta. Najgora stvar sto mozes uciniti u zivotu je da se zajebavas sa tudjim sudbinama.
Pitam te da tebi na taj nacin neko dodje na vrata I uzme ti sve sto si imao I iz korijena ti izmjeni zivot pa ti cak mozda I ubije nekog iz familije da li bi ti na kraju cutao. Da li ja trebam da cutim da neuznemiravam one koji sjede na mom i da im nedaj boze nebih pobudio budnju savjest. Netrazim ja nikakvo historijsko pravo. Ja trazim ovu sadasnju pravdu prije nego moji unuci se pocnu slijepo svetiti za mene nad unucima onih sto sjede na mom. --Dado 02:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Make the projekt for Kosovo with Ilir
Pleace trai to make a project with Ilir to presant the both sei of Kosovo. I m going to trai to be neutral and support you two. Hipi
- What project? Ilir pz 17:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Mediation
--Andrei George 14:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
infobox
The infoboxes you have put in Prizren wikipage is a bit wrong. The registration plates of Prizren, as the rest of Kosova are with "KS" only, not as they used to be. Additionally, not sure whether "coat of arms" is what Kosovo cities have. They have their flags and seals, instead. Ilir pz 17:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- seems good now. Thanks.Ilir pz 22:23, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- You decide whom to believe :). But I will check once again about the coat of arms or seal issue. Though, I am pretty sure they have the seal and the flag. Ilir pz 19:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Could you help me incorporate a field in the infobox of Prizren? I wanted to add "Altitude 400m above sea level" but the code I add seems to not work out. Thanks in advance, Ilir pz 17:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Wat do you think about this "form"
Beacose the citys dont have a flage. See this perhaps it wuld help you [2]. Dont wory I am nog going to insist in fotos wich are for the serbs "alergy"--Zhdripi Hipi 03:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Map
Hi, you must provide a source for Image:Pannonian plain01.jpg; not only is "fair use" deprecated, but it does not relieve you of the requirement to specify the source of the image. If you do not supply the source, not only will the image be deleted, but I will block from further editing. Stan 02:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to be harsh, I see you've been doing your share of cleaning up after others' uploads. (I wish more people would use commons, it's better organized for image handling.) We do need the source of this map tho. Stan 00:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Stanovnistvo NS
Mtlcrue 14:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)Mtlcrue Ok za one podatke o stanovnistvu NS ,ali mi nije nikako jasno kako oficijalni sajt Novog Sada moze da ima pogresne podatke.A sto se tice Futoga i Veternika ,pise "The settlements with recognized town/city status are: Novi Sad, Petrovaradin, Sremska Kamenica and Futog."! Zar to ne znaci da i Futog ,a samim tim i Veternik spada u urbani rejon Novog Sada!!?Da ,i sto ste tice onih slika ,to je sa nekog CD-a "Moj Novi Sad" ,koji sam dobio jos ranije.Ne znam kako tu da napisem copyright status.
Banat Bulgarians
Hi! Sorry about that in Belo Blato, I really didn't notice the way you changed it. Anyway, I've been looking through some PDF issues of the Banat Bulgarian newspaper and, been lately covering the topic on Wikipedia, saw there was (and possibly still is) a Banat Bulgarian community also in Jaša Tomić (Modroš). Where do you get that neat Vojvodina census data and could you look that settlement up there, if it is listed/possible? Thanks in advance! Also, is there any another information on the topic that's available to you? → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 15:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info on Modoš. Could you also look up Đurđevo for Banat Bulgarians? Also, a source I found ([3]) mentions Starilec and Kanak in addition, do you know if these still exist, whether they still have these names and if they have some Banat Bulgarian population left?
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Kosovo stub
Beacose the fact that Kosovo befor the kosovo war, it was the legitim part of Yougoslavia and together with Serbia teritory and the Vojvodina and now the status of Kosovo is not disatidet, the Kosovo geographicel articels must be putit untder the Kosovo-stub.
- Colors of the stub.
At the firs time I have maked I was thinking that the albanians ont they color and serbians they. beose of that is more neutral that the color to present the UN color.
- Flag
I think wedont need that is beter only the map of Kosovo in UN color.
Pleace if you are agree or diesesgree with the Kosovo stub let me know in Hipis page discussion way?. I need your opinion about this beacause you are working hard in this way and you are traingt the best. -- Hipi Zhdripi
I think we should add some tags and get rid of some of the crap.
Many of us used to think of you guys as simply D.P.s. I, on the other hand, had the experience of having wound up with neighborsw who were some strain of Serbo/Slavic. They turned out to be just like dagos.
To make a stabile soulution wich is going to be acceptyt from oth seids. I have think mor then one month about thate. At first (if you think that Im wrong just tell my)
- The kosovars have a "Alegie" agains the name "Serbia" when is putit in article Kosovo that is not meaning that they dont accept the serbs in Kosovo, but is only how I sayed alegie agains the state "Serbia"
- The serbs in Serbia have a "Alegie" agains the term "indipendent" they dont know way, they was never in Kosovo, but is so .
Now we most finde a soulution till the statut is not maket. hu
For thet I know that with a littel explenise we can make that the extremist view from the Kosovars to be a way from Kosovo article. We have to put the Kosovo articles under the Federal Republic of Yougoslavia.
For the view of extremist serbs I dont know is better to put the Serbia under the FR Yugoslavia or Serbia and Montenegro. For that you have two choise: Serbia, Motonegro to be putit seperet to RFY or together under the name "Serbia and Montengo".
- RSFY or Ex Yugoslavia
- RS Serbia
- Serbia
- Vojvodina
- Kosovo
- Montenegro
- RFY
- Serbia
- Vojvodina
- Montenegro
- Kosovo
- RFY
- Serbia and Montenegro
- Kosovo
We can talk 1000 years, but after the Milosevic destroidt the Parliament in Prishtina he have destroid the old Republic called RS Serbia and created a new Repbulic called Republic Serbia. This new Republic it was newer acceptyt from UN. With logic you can see that if they have acceptyt this new Republic they diden have righ to put they forces there. I know that many peopel are saying that was not legitimetet, but the peopel in UN they know wat they do. They haved tha fackt that a element of old Republic hase called for help. This was right to calle for help it was maked for the secend Word War in time in witch the Komunist party of Albania and Yugoslavia has maked agreemend that Kosovo is going to be a part of the Serbian Federation. This agreemend it was destroid after the Milosevic has destroid the parliament in Prishtina. Is so simpel. They are going to do the same think now with the Kosovars, they are goint to make that the Kosovars must respect the right of the serbs in Kosovo. They are going to let that for some years and waching wat is hapend. Each time wen the Serbian Govermen is going to make a troubel the UN is going to help the Kosovars. If the Serbian Goverment is not going to stop they are going to lose more territory in South (Sadjak, Toplica). All this terytory was gived to the Serbian Goverment from main powers. You can say that the Serbian army has betet the Otomans, but think a lite, they have taket a part of Kroacia for same time but they loset that, and the albanians has maked wars agains the Otomans in Turky, Egypten, Iraq, and in all Mediteran area.
Is not that I am taken a kosovars side but:
The rez. 1244 it was maked during this name RSFY (You and me, we know that this rez is saying everthing and nothing) evrything for game is over and nothing lets player a next level. Is crayse but is so.
The rez. for Chancen the name, this was propozit from UN beacose they diden wontit that this two states to be under this name RFY and so they have maket that this game go on in next level.
Also the main powers are playen a game and we must present this game hier in Wikipedia. If we put our elements we are going to be a part of this game. I dont wont to be a part of this game. But I wont to present this game (for the peopel tomorow how it twas played and not how I have played) . Dont wori souch games they have maked more times, is no the first time. But I think that the Balkaners are going to lern somthing in the future. Please dont let to be played souch games here in wiki. The
Demographics and districts
Hi Panonian. Don't you think that Demographics of Kosovo data are a bit too biased, and mainly sourced from Serbian side? I think they need re-ordering, as they give a very biased picture. I would appreicate if you help. Additionally, I think districts (including the district of Kosovo) are a part of recent past of Kosovo. For that matter, on top of each of the pages of "districts" which are now not districts but municipality divisions of Kosovo, you should include a "This division lasted from this date to this date, and is not currently the case". Do you agree? ~Especially "district of Kosovo" misleads a reader. He/she might think Kosovo is a district, just like that. Ilir pz 08:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Re:Podgorica
Ako je city_name=Podgorica<br>Подгорица, onda je link koji pokazuje na [[Flag of {{{city_name}}}]] "rasturen"; to je sad slučaj na svim crnogorskim gradovima. Koristim Firefox, ali ne vjerujem da je problem u browseru, pogledaj Nikšić. Nažalost, nemam trenutno vremena da se pozabavim time, rješavam Bosnian war. Duja
- Evo, sredicu template i Podgoricu, a ti sredi ostale. Duja 00:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Re:Koso, Georgia
The only problem is that in that part of the earth they dont have UN. But we must finde the compromise to finde the solution for this argument too. Make with Ilir in the discussion side a work place for each articel and after they are finisht you two are going to present at the articel side. If Holy and Manjolo or extremist mix they nois ther, then you two must make a project West Balkan and nobody can destroyed your work. Ignor they and me too if you think that a have in that poit a extremis poit of view. Is hard to be neutral, wenn I read souch PALLAVRA from sombady who dont have nothing to do with realty.
At first you two must re-construt the Kosovo-geo-stub. I dont know here in en:Wiki how and who is respocibel for this. Please finde out wher is and start to make the geo-stubs
After that we need a new templare abot the 30 komuna.
After that you two must corporet with the peopel wich are resposebel about the Categorys and select they.
The cultur articel wich belong to the serbians kosovars, please lete under the direct category of Serbia. That is Respect for the church, not for the nationalist. During this time Im going to make the multicipaty map from year 2006--Zhdripi Hipi 03:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Disputit terrytoris
Kosovo is disputied territory Ok. Then we are goin to present as desputet. See this and tale my wat is wrong here. --Zhdripi Hipi 03:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for Choosing Belgrade
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Okruzi
Pazi ovako:
- Okruzi Srbije su okruzi Srbije a ne okruzi pokrajina Srbije. Stoga pokrajine ne mogu da odlucuju o njihovom statusu.
- Okruzi i opstine Srbije na Kosovu i dalje postoje u zakonskom smislu. Njihov spisak se nalazi u odgovarajucem zakonu, i nisu brisane odatle.
- Okruzi i opstine Srbije na Kosovu i dalje postoje i u faktickom smislu. Njihove administracije su izmestene van Kosova ali i dalje funkcionisu. U njima stanovnici Kosova vade licne karte, registruju kola, vade krstenice, regulisu penzije... Trebalo bi jednom da nadjemo spisak sta je izmesteno gde.
pa nemoj molim te da nasedas albanskim izmisljotinama i pises neke istorijske clanke :) Nikola 07:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Panonian did you see the massive reverts by the user above? he is instructing you not to be neutral, ay? :))))). Hope you get the previous version back, which was rather neutral. Ilir pz 09:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Ti se brate mnogo cudno ponasas kad se povede pitanje Kosova.
Svako mrzi kad neko unistava njegov rad, ali ono sto si ti pisao (was a district in Kosovo between 1990 and 1999. It was located in the southern part of Kosova) je potpuno netacno i jednostavno se moralo potpuno ukloniti. Da sam imao vise vremena napisao bih i ja nesto kompromisno ali nisam.
Sto se tice tvojih argumenata, nisu tacni:
- Drugo, mislim da okruzi Srbije na Kosovu više ne postoje ni u zakonskom ni u faktičkom smislu.
Okruzi Srbije, ili bilo koje druge drzave, ne postoje ni u jednom drugom nego u zakonskom smislu (ili ako bas hoces, fakticki postoje ako zakonski postoje, i obrnuto). Ako si ikada putovao igde, a verujem da jesi, mogao si primetiti da izmedju okruga, opstina, itd, ne postoje nikakvi betonski zidovi koji oznacavaju njihove granice ili nesto slicno, vec su one odredjene zakonima. To sto se zakoni ne postuju je druga prica, ali to ne znaci da oni ne postoje.
- Pošto je Srbija prihvatila upravu UN na Kosovu, prihvatila je i civilnu UN administraciju, prema tome jedino okruzi koje je uspostavila UN administracija se mogu smatrati zakonskim. Nije mi jasno po kom zakonu ovi okruzi još postoje, ako je Srbija prihvatila civilnu upravu UN na Kosovu?. Prema tome, ako u nekom zakonu i piše da ovi okruzi postoje, to se onda kosi sa drugim zakonom kojim je Srbija prihvatila civilnu upravu UN.
Alal ti cufte. Srbija (odnosno Jugoslavija ali nebitno) jeste prihvatila upravu UN na Kosovu, ali uprava UN na kosovu nema ovlascenja da menja okruge Srbije (da ponovim, u pitanju nisu okruzi Kosova vec okruzi Srbije koji se nalaze na teritoriji Kosova). Kada je UNMIK izmenio okruge, on je iskoracio izvan svojih ovlascenja pa je jasno da Srbija to ne mora (i nije) prihvatila.
- Sledeće, ako administracija ovih okruga i dalje funkcioniše izvan Kosova, to ne znači da oni postoje.
A ovo ti je najbolje. Okruzna administracija funkcionise ali okrug ne postoji? Pa sta onda administrise ta administracija, ako ne okrug?
- Mislim da članke ne treba menjati u tom smislu, ali da treba u njih dodati da prema jednom gledištu ti okruzi još uvek zakonski postoje (Naravno ovde se radi o dva suprotna gledišta države Srbije, jer prema drugom gledištu države Srbije prema kom je Srbija prihvatila administraciju UN, ti okruzi ne bi trebali da postoje).
Na Vikipediji ne smes da iznosis svoje licne stavove. Prema svemu sto ja znam, postoji jedna jedina osoba koja misli da ti okruzi ne postoje, a to si ti. Nikola 06:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Usluga
Zamolio bih te da glasas "Strong Keep" na ovo stranci: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pilot_of_invisible_F-117-a%28song%29 ,posto su predlozili ovaj clanak za brisanje.Hvala unapredDzoni 12:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hehe
Albanski je jezik buducnosti, hehehehe. E ne se zajebavaj sad, nista specialno nisam uradio. hehhehe. 'oces li i ti da ucis malo Albanski? Mirëdita="Dobar dan":))))) Govoriti jezik komsije nije nista lose, jel? A time mozes da pokazujes jos da si tolerantan. Ilir pz 16:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sta ima? Talk:Demographic_history_of_Kosovo#Relevancy_of_citations maybe you could help neutralize this article? Just check what sources have been cited. Amazing. Ilir pz 10:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments and suggestions. What I was hoping was that you check my remarks in the link above, and tell me if you think I am right or wrong. The relevancy of those already cited works is something I disagree with completely. Ilir pz 10:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Bodjani
Thanks, I corrected my link and the title on sr-wiki. --estavisti 03:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with Image:Russia 0900.gif
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Geografija Vojvodine
Pozdrav. Vidim da se detaljno razumes u vojvodjanske stvari, pa bih da te pitam par stvari: da li znas koliko je dugačka reka Kereš (dolazi iz Mađarske kod Subotice, uliva se u Tisu ispod Kanjiže)? na stranici Geography of Vojvodina pise da su Jegrička, Jarčina i Novi Begej delovi DTD-a? Hvala unapred i pozdrav. PajaBG 20:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Znaci tako...dobro, nadam se da bar imas dobar atlas :o) Dopunicu malo stranicu za sada, a kasnije cu, ako me ne prodje zelja za brljanjem po Vikipediji, da napravim pravi clanak od toga. Pozdrav PajaBG 23:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
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Administrator?
Je li ti ikad netko predložio da budeš administrator? Pitam jer stvarno mislim da je šteta što nisi. Jakiša Tomić 00:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Kosovo-geo-stub
This has repeatedly been debated at several forums around wikipedia, and the general consensus by a very large margin is to keep this deleted. Please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Recently concluded (2006 April) for just some of those arguments. Grutness...wha? 05:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps it would have been better to bring this up when the discussions were going on. Since that didn't happen, perhaps it would be best if you brought the problems up again at WP:WSS/P, rather than trying to argue it out with one person on their user talk page. I was only one of a fairly large number of people who voted against this stub type. In fact only one user (Hipi Zhdripi) voted in favour of its existence in most of the debates - though IIRC at Deletion review the vote was something like 10-2. Grutness...wha? 13:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- It was brought up on pages dealing with stubs, as are all stub-related issues, and at undeletion because it was a request for undeletion and it is WP policy to discuss those things there, and at WP:SFD since that is where the deletion of stub types is discussed. There are approximately 1600 stub categories - it makes far more sense to discuss such things at one centralised point that at 3200 template an category talk pages. If you add in the talk page for articles directly relating to each stub type then you're at up to 4800 possible places - and that's assuming there's only one possible article relating to each stub category. That's why stub categories have the {{WPSS-cat}} template in them, to indicate where discussions need to take place - which is also mentioned at WP:SFD, WP:WSS, and WP:STUB, the latter of which is linked via all stub templates. To say that you were unaware of where discussions were taking place with that many indications of where it would be doesn't make much sense. As to me re-starting the discussion, I thought you were the one that wanted it back, not me. Sigh - ok, I'll do it, since it will need talking about soon anyway, given that there's a reasonable chance Montenegro will soon vote for independence. It's probably best to see what the story with that is before doing anything with the kosovo stubs though. Certainly as things stand there aren't nearly enough of them for a separate stub category anyway. For now, if there are that many problems, I'd suggest simply using {{Euro-geo-stub}} on the articles. I assume that all sides to this, erm, dioscussion can at least agree that Kosovo is in Europe? Grutness...wha? 00:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Dalmatia
Hi. Some editors (Elephantus and Zmaj) keep removing Cyrilic and Italian name for Dalmazia, and the fact that Dalmatia is not a province of Croatia, but has parts in Montenegro and BH. They are also removing pictures of Kotor and Boka Kotorska, though it was always part of Dalmatia. It seems that you were involved in editing of this article, just letting you know what is going on at the moment. Maayaa 22:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I dont agree with what you say about Dalmatia - there is part of it in Bosnia/Herzegovina, and Montenegro - even current article says that. But the other point (removing even the name of dalmatia in Italian/Serbian) is even not related to that. Anyway, this article seems to be contraversial. Maayaa 23:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Should Neum be considered part of Dalmatia?--Asterion talk to me 22:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey
I was wondering, are you Serb? C-c-c-c 03:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
а питам зато зашто се понекад више слажеш са Албанцима него са Србима. But that's good sometimes, at least they know some of us are fair:))) C-c-c-c 22:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
hë!!!!!. Something is wrong here. You accept that most of your peopel are not fair???? What the hell C-c-c-c is playen -- User:Hipi Zhdripi
- Hipi, didn't you agree you'd never come back? C-c-c-c 23:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Also Hipi, once again you're ability to communicate and understand written English is laughable. What I meant was, in completely plain English this time: "There ARE fair Serbs in this world, however Albanians disagree". Not that I claim every Serb is fair, or not fair, so please next time interpret things correctly, or get someone else to. C-c-c-c 00:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I see you're having some trouble here, by being rather neutral, Panonian. I get such comments sometimes, too. By the way I answered to some of your comments in my talk page. Looking forward to settling that down somehow. Best, Ilir pz 16:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- what about the Kosovo-geo-stub discussion? was there any change in that decision? Ilir pz 16:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Smile!
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Regarding the latest change to ban article. How am I otherwise suppose to return the text that I wrote a long time ago, by hand? That would take years to restore, any better way? Damir Mišić 17:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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I am giving up (at least for a while). I had hopes things could change and we could end up with a decent and balanced article. But you cannot do this with people bickering over each little sentence or word, with people more interested in disrupting things to make a point than making a real contribution. Wikipedia is simply to big and there are too many other subjects I would like to carry on (or start) working on for me to waste my precious little wiki-time on Kosovo. I wish you all the best, my friend. Asterion talk to me 09:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)