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# Links to [[blog]]s and [[personal web page]]s, except those written by a recognized authority."'' --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] 12:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC) |
# Links to [[blog]]s and [[personal web page]]s, except those written by a recognized authority."'' --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] 12:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== External Links on M.U.L.E. page violates Software Copyrights == |
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This is complain for Wikipage on M.U.L.E. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.u.l.e.]] |
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BLACKBEARD27K is linking to his personal Website. [http://atarimule.neotechgaming.com/ M.U.L.E. Software Download] When that was deleted by the Admins, he is now (indirectly) linking to it via another personal Website. |
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(1) BLACKBEARD27K is offering, on the above Website, for download a pirated / modified / hacked version of the game M.U.L.E. without the permission of the original authors or publishers ATARI. This is a serious violation of copyright material. |
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(2) It is in violation of WP:EL as it is SPAM and he is trying to propagate his own web-site Forum here. |
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(3) Wikipedia is NOT a collection of links. |
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(4) Also, using common sense, no one should download any executable software from a very unreliable source (as above). Such software may contain trojans and keyloggers which steal your personal information (including Credit Card Nos & passwords) |
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This individual persists in reverting the deletions. I have deleted the offending link. |
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[[User:Hungrywolf|Hungrywolf]] 11:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC) |
Revision as of 11:26, 29 August 2007
Orange
Is there ever a conflict between being orange and having Irish ancestry? I'm not trying to score or make a point, it's just that in certain parts of Ireland, orange is a rather controversial colour Bill Tegner 13:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Believe me, I'm painfully aware of that! I had to tone down my usual wardrobe when I visited the republic (and the six counties, where my family came from) in 1990. But there's a reason the republic uses the tricolor: the orange, and the green, and the white for peace between us. I am a Protestant, in that I'm a Quaker; but I don't wear the color to make any kind of politic, ethnic, religious or ideological statement: I just like it for the brightness and the way it makes me feel. To quote a LiveJournal posting I read this morning: "Orange is jolly and nutritious. Purple is for goths who can't commit to black." --Orange Mike 13:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
You are so right. I get a bit sad when I read that the Irish tricoleur might offend northern Protestants. It could well do, but as you say, it's got their colour on it. I suppose their reply might be that the Union Jack has the flag of St. Patrick on it, but that no longer means much to people. Bill Tegner 22:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- 1) I've been told that unionists (in the Irish sense) refer to the tricolor as gold and green, in an effort to deny what the orange is meant to represent; 2) from my studies in vexillology and heraldry, I understand that the "Cross of St. Patrick" was made up almost out of whole cloth (unlike the St. Andrew's Cross and St. George's Cross) in order to represent Ireland in the creation of the Order of St. Patrick (see Saint Patrick's Flag). --Orange Mike 23:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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what test sr? I cant rember doing a test! I think you got the wrong person/editor! it happens to everybody! goodluck finding the test person!--Akemi2.0 16:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm talking about the inane remarks you are sticking into the Anime article. --Orange Mike 16:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- What? im doing what im here to do! Improve the artical! first someone says edit and now you say stop editing or it will be removed!
im not doing anything!--Akemi2.0 16:13, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- The two edits you made were both useless: inane and ungrammatical to the point of near-illiteracy, just like what you are putting on my page here. --Orange Mike 16:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Can you stop being so damn mean
devilman! I know dang well those edits were useful! Its useful info! ITS INFO! You want info i give you info! Hop of my foot already im new!--Akemi2.0 16:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Can you stop being so damn mean
- Escúchame, ese! Material added to this encyclopedia must be clearly stated, in the appropriate place, properly documented, and in clear grammatical English (or whatever language whose encyclopedia you are editing), properly spelled. Your two remarks met none of these criteria. --Orange Mike 16:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thank you ornage sr--Akemi2.0 16:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, we all gotta start somewhere! You just jumped in a little too early. You need to learn to use your shift key, for one thing! :) Standards here are intended to be as high as those one would use if writing for a print encyclopedia, not the casual style used for texting to one's posse. --Orange Mike 16:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Akemi2.0
I understand. I wasn't trying to say you couldn't or shouldn't help him, but based on his edit history (and the time that Akemi2.0 was created) it's a near certainty that they're the same user. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Hopefully he's not, and we can net a constructive user. Leebo T/C 17:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
No recent warnings
Thank you for your recent posting of an anonymous editor to Administrators intervention against vandalism. In the future though, when reporting IP addressed to WP:AIV, please make sure that they have had a final warning in the recent past. Due to the nature of IP addresses, spans of time between edits may indicate different users. Being it is possible that the currently vandalizing user did not get a true final warning they are often not be blocked. To remedy this, please make an effort to ensure that all vandals reported to WP:AIV have an appropriate, and recent, final warning. The most common final warnings are {{test4}} or {{bv}}. If you have any questions regarding this, please do not hesitate to ask me on my user talk page. Thanks again!-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 19:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Prechter's bio
Hey Orangemike,
I'm glad that you want to contribute to Prechter's bio -- I know that you will be a neutral editor. About the Colvin quote, my read of of WP:BLP is that ridicule is out of bounds. This came up repeatedly in the Arbitration case that just closed, and the ruling was decisively against that type of invective. Please see here and here. I look forward to working with you. Rgfolsom 19:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- However: the arbitration ruling did not say that no harsh criticisms of Prechter may be quoted; and that seems to be the stance you are taking. That is a POV stance, and must be avoided. --Orange Mike 15:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply, I trust that you realize that I'm also trying to keep a neutral stance, and I'm aware how important it is for me to do so. Can I ask if you read the links I included? Rgfolsom 15:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- You bet! (And I do wish to point out that while you dislike the Colvin quote, you did not delete it as I feared, displaying restraint which is worthy of note.) --Orange Mike 15:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Whoops, I see that you did read it. There's a difference between ridicule and harsh criticism -- you yourself noted the "ridicule," which the Arb Com did say is not acceptable. Rgfolsom 15:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I absolutely will show restraint with an editor working in good faith, which is more than clear in your case. If I find a tough criticism that doesn't cross the line into ridicule, are you okay with me putting such a quote in place of Colvin? Rgfolsom 15:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Colvin is not ridiculing (if that's the right verb) Prechter, he is ridiculing the entire genre of wave theorists (in the original article, he identifies this as less foolish [by his judgment] than other such theories). I think that if their theories are sound, a little rough criticism is not going to kill them. The Colvin quote is rough, but within the boundaries; and keeps the article from being criticized as a puff piece. I'd advise you to let it go and concentrate on other matters. --Orange Mike 15:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC) does OK on paper himself
- I had the impression that you did see Colvin's remark as ridicule, especially since that was the word you used to introduce the quotes. I can't go along with the "laughably terrible" phrase about Prechter's forecasts, not only because it's ridicule but also because it invites a reply showing Prechter's numerous excellent forecasts since 1987 -- but I would prefer to avoid that. Can you please answer my question about a replacement quote? Rgfolsom 15:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Colvin is not Prechter's (or E wave theory's) harshest critic by any means; it was the even harsher ones I was referring to. I think you should let this go and go on to make other articles better, rather than thrash about looking for a less harsh quote. To do otherwise could suggest that you are acting in a partisan manner, possibly due to COI. --Orange Mike 15:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I've given you no reason to bring up COI, Orangemike. I've identified what I believe is a real problem and I'm suggesting a real solution. That's not thrashing about; it's what one editor does out of respect for another editor. The Aaronson quote that's on the EWP, for example, is tough indeed. Would you find that acceptable? Rgfolsom 16:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'd say they are pretty much of a muchness, the Aaronson and the Colvin, either one would do as well; and I still say you should let it go. --Orange Mike 16:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I'm going to put the Aaronson quote in place of Colvin. Please know that I appreciate you bearing with me on this, I do not wish to try your patience. My reasons are grounded in the guidance I took from the Arb ruling, but I'll not burden you with the particulars unless you want me to spell it out. Thanks again. Rgfolsom 18:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
HI!
This user would like to wish you a happy St. Patrick's Day. |
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Lonergan play and Frank Zappa
Hi. You mentionhere that Zappa's music had influence on Lonergan's play This is Our Youth. When going to the article for the play, one does not learn this. Could you please be more specific if possible (and source the info)? This would greatly improve the article on rencerences to Zappa in popular culture (and prevent deletionist forces to gain momentum again :-) ). Cheers! --HJ 06:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
- Zappa and his music are pretty pivotal in the play. I'll have to dig up some reviews, etc., before working on the play's article. --Orange Mike 12:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC) (sometimes called "Chunga")
Sposer
Orange Mike, I think your comment to Sposer came close to biting a newbie. Poser is a respected technician and author. In his case a little good-faith guidance about Wikipedia can probably do more good than warnings about unfounded suspicions. Rgfolsom 04:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I genuinely don't think I was biting the noob. I was warning him about the attitude that prevails on this topic, so that he wouldn't get bitten by the real piranhas. --Orange Mike 16:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Understood. Thanks for making sure that he knows he'll be welcome here. Rgfolsom 17:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Edward Freeman
Orangemike said: If you google for "Edward Freeman" cricketer, you will find at least one article which seems to conflate an Essex cricketer of the early 20th century and a Tasmanian of the mid-19th, both named Edward Freeman! Just thought, if you are going to continue working on cricket as your sandbox indicates, that you might want to watch out for that.
Indeed, I hadn't banked on there being another famous cricketer with that name. My current interest, however, as per my country of origin, lies with English domestic cricket, particularly the teams of Derbyshire, Essex and Glamorgan.
Why these? Simply because they are three of the earliest in the alphabet and it was considerably easier for me to start with Derbyshire simply because their cricketers were extremely poorly represented before I started work on them. As I'm sure you can imagine, there is one reason and one reason only for this.
As for the other Edward Freeman? Well, there's an oddity! A onetime cricketer in a miscellaneous setting back in the early 1870s. As I say, I rely on my links to English domestic cricket to get names, such as Cricket Archive - Derbyshire.
Freeman II certainly wasn't on my current alert list for names, but in time, Australian domestic cricket will hopefully be up there. Bobo. 02:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Re: Template change to my archive
I had never done one of these before, so I'm not sure what was wrong with what I did. What you did looks fine, though, so I'm not gonna worry about it much. Thanks, I guess. --Orange Mike 17:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Just a case of adding {{talkarchive}} to a page when you want to use the template, rather than copying and pasting the code of the template from Template:Talkarchive. Otherwise, all sorts of strange things happen like your archives get categorized into Category:Protected templates when they aren't templates at all. Nothing to worry about. Thanks – Qxz 17:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mike
My edits to Tammy Duckworth weren't vandalism. I explain my edits in my edit summaries. Kzq9599 04:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Mike, I would agree with him after reviewing the edits in question. This is someone getting into a content dispute. Daniel Case 06:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Mike, please remove your warning from my talk page. It wasn't vandalism, and Daniel Case is a veteran editor who recognizes that it wasn't vandalism. If anyone feels it is a content dispute, then I feel the dispute needs to be resolved in my favor. I removed an unpublished synthesis of published material that violated WP:ATT, and I removed editorial opinion in the "dirty tricks" statement. Neither one of these belongs in an encyclopedia article. I respect everyone's right to have an opinion, but it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. Present the facts and allow Wikipedia readers to decide for themselves whether it was a "dirty trick." Let's try to trust one another, WP:AGF and work together to make these articles better, Mike. Kzq9599 13:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
The charismatic Dr. M.L. King, Jr.
You need to read the category definition more carefully. "This category contains religious leaders whose main basis of authority was or is based on charismatic authority." [emphasis added] While somewhat charismatic, Dr. King did not fit that definition. --Orange Mike 19:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's obvious that King was indeed a charismatic religious leader and thus belongs in the category. Dr. King is, in fact, often described as one of the most charismatic religious AND political leaders of the entire 20th Century, at least in America. That category definition was written by a layperson/novice, and needs to be changed (I'll do that). Also notice that he is sourced as a charismatic leader over at the List of charismatic leaders page (Sutton, John,Law/Society: Origins, Interactions, and Change () p.112, Pine Forge Press, ISBN 0-7619-8705-3). --WassermannNYC 19:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Threatened rewrite
When I removed the (unjustified) addition of Dr. M.L.King, Jr. to this category, User:WassermannNYC not only re-added him, but said he was going to re-write the description of this category because
"That category definition was written by a layperson/novice, and needs to be changed (I'll do that)."
I thought anybody interested in the topic should know that before it happens.--Orange Mike 19:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- What makes the addition of that category to Dr. King's article "unjustified" as you claim? Also, there are no "threats" here, so please check your inflammatory rhetoric. If you would, please take a quick look at the massive reference/further reading list that I've been building over at the charisma page: it's here. Yes, I built that ENTIRE list by myself and am currently in the beginning stages of writing a scholarly book on this very topic. So, I will rightfully say that I am a bit more well read (just a bit...) when it comes to this particular topic than most people, hence the (very minor) re-write of the category description. Hope this clears things up a bit for you. Tschuess! --WassermannNYC 20:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Category: Charismatic religious leaders
There's a guy out there re-writing this category definition because he says it was written by a noob or non-expert, and he knows better, so he'll just fix it. I don't think he's even heard of Weber. --Orange Mike 20:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- My friend, the entire theory/idea of charisma is not based entirely on Weber as it pre-dates his life by many-many centuries (please see the etymology of charisma on its page; it's a word with ancient Greek roots). Also, please see the reference/further reading list that I've been compiling at the charisma article and then get back to me. --WassermannNYC 20:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Obviously you and I interpret Weber and the purpose of that category, as well as Dr. King's ministry, in entirely different ways. While I believe you are wrong, I do not believe you have ill intent. I see no point in getting into a revert war with you. --Orange Mike 20:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Please note that the Category:Charismatic religious leaders says NOTHING about Weber in the NAME/TITLE of the category (unlike the List of charismatic leaders as defined by Max Weber's classification of authority). Possibly this is where the misunderstanding lies? I was adding those that displayed both the Weberian (quasi-religious?) aspect of charisma along with the definitely religious/Greco-Roman/Christian-Evangelical/Hindu-Guru/etc version of charisma, along with religious cult leaders, messianic figures in history, and such. Again, Weber wasn't the first person to write about charisma, as I'm sure you are aware. So, I suppose that I misinterpreted the "Category:Charismatic religious leaders" as very BROAD (and added too many names), while the manually compiled list I interpreted as strictly Weberian because of the article's/list's title and didn't add anyone to that list/article, except on the talk page. --WassermannNYC 23:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, yeah! :) The category (to the extent it has any use, a question on which I remain unconvinced due to the inherent subjectivity) is useful only if defined in the narrower, Weberian sense. Otherwise, it becomes a catchbin full of preachers, gurus, shamans, etc. Your re-write takes away that specificity and therefore struck me as wrongheaded. No ill feelings, I hope. --Orange Mike 23:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry
Sorry about that warning tag. I thought your edits were vandalism, but I rechecked them and found out that they weren't. That seemed a little odd, since you were in good standing. Sorry about that, and I removed the warning tag. Good luck editing! BlackBear 15:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Spam?
Hi, you have been editing the wiki of Patricia Gras. I don't mean to put spam in there, could you be more specific when you say I am putting "spam" or that it resembles a "fan" site. it seems to look just like any other celebrity or tv personality. so what's the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tvguru2006 (talk • contribs)
- I've left a comment on this user's talk page as to what's wrong here. You may wish to add to it - Alison☺ 18:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your patching in the name in the cats I'd started for this new page. Not only am I rather inexperienced with that—I'd copied the syntax of a couple of them from the nearly twenty (!) cats on the Pete Seeger page. Guess what? - I didn't find his name included in any of those, so of course didn't think to use FR's! Now, thanks to you, I know better (and I'm going back to fix the PS page too). I'm also always delighted when someone comes along (and so soon! :-) to work on a page I've created or on which I've done a major edit. (My favorite, I must admit, is when these get translated to another language, especially since I'm a multilingual interwiki worker myself.) As for FR's surname - though I'd been reading about her for the better part of an hour while I was working on the initial text, damned if I didn't misspell it when I created the page! Did a Move right away, but still it's a bit embarrassing (or humbling, at least) in the page's History. So I'll be keeping an eye on that for a while. -- Thanks again, Deborahjay 21:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm a country boy and a union man; always glad to help, ma'am. --Orange Mike 21:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, we've got something in common indeed - though my particular patch of Earth is in the rural Western Galilee! And I surely do like Pete Seeger's quote: "I want to turn the clock back to when people lived in small villages and took care of each other" -- though let it be said, we're evidently contempo enough to be finding our virtual place in the Global Village, as far as this is expressed in Wikipedia activity and the volunteer community here. I find this a harmonious sort of existence that's compatible on a micro/macro scale, and am cheered that others such as yourself are "here" too. -- Deborahjay 22:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- My home patch is West Tennessee, but I've been in schöne Milwaukee since 1977. (No change you're related to Dr. Gregory Jay here at UW-Milwaukee, is there?) --Orange Mike 22:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- 'fraid not -- the "Jay" is the spelled-out initial of the surname I've taken on (by marriage and convention). When I opened my User account, I opted for accountability by choosing a name resembling my own, as my WP work is somewhat related to what I do in real life. At times I do wish it were something more clever and imaginative, but folks will have to take me for my rather square self :-) -- Cheers, Deborahjay 22:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- My home patch is West Tennessee, but I've been in schöne Milwaukee since 1977. (No change you're related to Dr. Gregory Jay here at UW-Milwaukee, is there?) --Orange Mike 22:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, we've got something in common indeed - though my particular patch of Earth is in the rural Western Galilee! And I surely do like Pete Seeger's quote: "I want to turn the clock back to when people lived in small villages and took care of each other" -- though let it be said, we're evidently contempo enough to be finding our virtual place in the Global Village, as far as this is expressed in Wikipedia activity and the volunteer community here. I find this a harmonious sort of existence that's compatible on a micro/macro scale, and am cheered that others such as yourself are "here" too. -- Deborahjay 22:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Tropikal Magik
It's gone, and the user is blocked. Thanks, NawlinWiki 19:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
What test?
To what "test" do you refer on the following page? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.100.62.63&redirect=no I have made a number of purposeful edits over the months, but I'm afraid I don't understand your message. 70.100.62.63 03:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm... looking back at the edits you did that day, I don't see anything in particular to be bothered by, and nothing I had to revert. I may disagree with you about the "put in the name change" thing on Dr. King, but you didn't change the article! I am as puzzled by it as you are. Do you want me to delete the "test" notice? --Orange Mike 03:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Reversions in "Affirmative action"
Some anonymous editor keeps changing the article to say that AA only helps blacks in the US, and that castes in India compete for increased backwardness so they can get more reservation in India help. You reverted these at least once before; could you undo this crud, so I'm not violating the WP:3RR rule? --Orange Mike 20:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Done. I'll keep an eye on it. Jvbishop 11:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Mike, well done for catching a vandal quickly. May I point out that you only reverted their last edit; it's worth checking the history on vandalised pages, as there were more bad edits before that one. Best wishes, Fayenatic london (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for catching that one when it slid by me. Don't know why this article draws the vandals like it does; it's worse than Jeffrey Dahmer for their fiddlings. --Orange Mike 21:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Mike, well done for catching a vandal quickly. May I point out that you only reverted their last edit; it's worth checking the history on vandalised pages, as there were more bad edits before that one. Best wishes, Fayenatic london (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Correcting spelling
It's a little thing, and I don't mind, but I thought I should let you know that, while correcting spelling, grammar and everything else is a fine thing for articles, it's not considered the done thing for talk pages. Some people do get quite upset about it [1]. Notinasnaid 13:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was aware of that principle, and wasn't aware that I was doing it. Thanks for giving me a heads-up; I've been an editor for so many years in that Wikimyth called "Real Life" that I must be doing it automatically as a reflex! --Orange Mike 14:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Spamming
I am not interested in "spamming" wikipedia. If you disapprove the link i added to the incest article then please tell me why you think it doesen't fit and I will stop posting it. Please review the article i linked and tell me wether it's content is valuable enough or not. I know you guys are putting a lot of work into wikipedia and I really want to appreciate that. Thanks for taking your time again. --Melinda73 18:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- As another editor already told you, if the information is relevant to the article, put it into the article, with references to primary sources. A blog is not a reliable or encyclopedic source. If the blog article provides reliable, encyclopedic sources for its statements, then go to them and extract information to make the Wikipedia article better. Continuing to insert and re-insert a link to a blog instead makes you look suspiciously like a spammer, possibly the creator of that blog. --Orange Mike 18:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
SciFi Science Fiction
Eek, sorry for any cringing I may have induced. I've had a few friends correct me on the importance of referring to science fiction as science fiction rather than some demeaning, childish acronym, but they're also the same friends that lecture me about the differences between Tolkien's numerous elvish languages, so I usually just tune them out. :) María: (habla conmigo) 18:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- No biggie; but that particular term, even though I know the guy who created and popularized it, has cringeworthy associations with the very worst of what Hollywood thinks is 'science fiction' (space explosions and special effects for morons). I won't bore you with discourse about the history of Sindarin, Quenya, etc., unless you ask me to! --Orange Mike 18:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC) (who didn't have to look up how to spell those, either)
- Ha! Those are the only two I can pronounce. María: (habla conmigo) 18:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- ¡Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo! --Orange Mike 18:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ha! Those are the only two I can pronounce. María: (habla conmigo) 18:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Reply
I am not sure what you are talking about concerning the UW System article. Also if you want to create a disambig for University of Wisconsin, it should be at "University of Wisconsin" itself not something (disambig). Every UM campuses has a bunch of colleges and schools, and has numerous entities, orgazations with University of Wisconsie as part of their names. Everything associated with any of the UW campuses can be listed in the disambig. I really find it hard to understand you. At last, you should not be influenced by misperceptions, if you think University of Wisconsin should redirect to the system article, please don't be afraid to point it out. Not everyone in the world thinks that only Madison is University of Wisconsin. Miaers 20:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Look at your changes. You introduced several misspellings that other people had corrected while you were blocked; you put the category tags out of alphabetical order; that sort of thing. Don't just do a massive revert to your preferred version of the page. --Orange Mike 20:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Orangemike. Well, you're a Southerner, Irish, Cherokee, science fiction fan, and a hippie, so there's not much I can disagree with you about. But I was curious why you deleted "Because of the nature of his crimes he has become one of the most notorius serial killers in American history" (which I did not write, BTW). I realize Dahmer's article has been heavily vandalized, and I've done quite a bit of reverting myself. But before I add that sentence back in I was wondering if you could give me a rationale for removing it. Thanks. Ward3001 21:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I know you didn't write it. Somebody inserted it, apparently on the theory that we wouldn't know he was a notorious serial killer. The most problematic part (other than the bad spelling, punctuation, etc.) is the OR assumption that he is one of the most notorious in American history. How many today remember Leopold & Loeb? H.H. Holmes? The Scandinavian mail-order-bride murderess? Such bald assertions are, IMHO, unencyclopedic and to be avoided. --Orange Mike 21:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see your point, even though there seems to be a sizeable gray area as to how "notorious" is defined. I suppose almost ANY serial killer by definition is notorious. I can accept your edit if, for no other reason, than the recency of Dahmer's handiwork makes a historical judgment about him impossible at this time. Thanks for your reply. Ward3001 21:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sure there are obscure serial killers; but Dahmer's case was more colorful, and at the time acquired considerable notoriety, just as Starkweather, Gein and DiSalvo (to cite three relatively modern examples) did in their days. --Orange Mike 23:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see your point, even though there seems to be a sizeable gray area as to how "notorious" is defined. I suppose almost ANY serial killer by definition is notorious. I can accept your edit if, for no other reason, than the recency of Dahmer's handiwork makes a historical judgment about him impossible at this time. Thanks for your reply. Ward3001 21:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Awesome. Let's keep an eye on this person to make sure he/she doens't vandalize more and add more spamlinks. :) Rockstar915 04:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Kind of a shame, really; he created a stub article on a legit topic back in September, worked on it for a while, then nothing: until bang, he created this ad page of his. --Orange Mike 04:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- And he just tried to add the ad link back to the indie bookstore article while not logged on! --Orange Mike 05:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ha! Good job reverting it. Keep it up! Rockstar915 05:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- And he just tried to add the ad link back to the indie bookstore article while not logged on! --Orange Mike 05:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Talk: Science Fantasy and Comix
Excuse me, but I just read your additions to the Science Fantasy talk page and I believe I have a problem. Call me dated but I am from the generation who explicitly used the term "comix" to refer to revolutionary propaganda. R. Crumb and Gilbert Shelton did comix, yes, but so did Rius and The Situationists. If we're going to use comix to discuss Science Fantasy what are we going to call Los Supermachos?Jplatt39 23:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have a dog in that hunt. If you prefer to use a more generic terminology like "comic strips" or just plain ol' "comics" for material more or less from the mundane/mainstream/non-underground tradition, that's fine with me. The problem with assigning a separate meaning to "comix" is that nobody has ever settled on what that distinct meaning is. Me? I'm an underground fan from way back, but in print I just use it as shorthand, like thanx for thanks. --Orange Mike 13:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Substing
please dont forget to subst templates left on user talk pages. For example. this edit, the template should have been substed. thanks! (btw, to subt a template,. just {{subst:uw-spam}} ) -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, Chris. --Orange Mike 17:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Fred Thompson
Howdy Orangemike! Saw your comments on the last edit for Fred Thompson, and I'd like to let you know that I'm currently putting together information that will help me create a more comprehensive, fact-centered article. I'm pro-Thompson, but DO NOT want to use the site as a campaign tool for him. I truly think this site should represent facts, and readers can make their own decision. Since you mentioned in your edit that you are not a Thompson fan, I was wondering if you'd help me construct something neutral? I'll compose it all, and if you'd review it to look for bias, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nibblesworth (talk • contribs) 17:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
That wasn't "experimentation" per se. The original had "pegged by." That is extremely misleading. It reads as though the dollar is pegged to those currencies, rather than those currencies being pegged to the dollar. Furthermore, the yuan should be listed there. It is probably the most prominent currency that is pegged to the dollar. Chiss Boy 20:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- See my response on your talk page. (I didn't design the template, but I don't find it confusing in the least.) --Orange Mike 20:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- The yuan is still pegged to the American dollar. Just because it now also pegged to other currencies (to a lesser extent than the dollar) and can float a little bit doesn't make it no longer pegged to the dollar. Chiss Boy 20:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Look up the meaning of "pegged to"!!!! If a currency's value is not defined solely in terms of a second currency, it is not "pegged to" that other currency. It correlates with it, or trades in a narrow band around, but it is not "pegged to" in the meaning of the words. You will also note that with the changes you made from the original template, the information doesn't even display any more! --Orange Mike 20:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- The yuan is still pegged to the American dollar. Just because it now also pegged to other currencies (to a lesser extent than the dollar) and can float a little bit doesn't make it no longer pegged to the dollar. Chiss Boy 20:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Dear orange mike
Many thanks for the message you sent me about my post on anime...............i see why they call u orange mike lolDr.b&t 01:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
2008 Presidential Bids
Ya dude, maybe you should get out of the renissance period and into modern American History, you should pay attention because as I said on the Fred Thompson site, "he has announced his bid for the 2008 Republican presidential candidacy." Pay attention to the news hippie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aldog2007 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC).
- Sorry, Aldog, my ignorant and would-be anonymous "friend," but as of the latest news reports, Fred Thompson (unlike Tommy Thompson, my ex-governor) has still not announced. You need to learn to distinguish between the right-wing Thompsons! (You also have made no such claim on the Fred Thompson site, unless you were doing it while not logged in.) --Orange Mike 02:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
B5
No problem, I've re-added the dmoz link though - didn't realise I'd culled it, that's probably a more appropriate place for them to add links. Really though I don't understand why people would want to insert that AOL link within the article. Matthew 17:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Somebody calling himself something like "JoeTheTVGuy" added those AOL links to about twenty shows' articles, including masterpieces like F Troop; I followed along behind him, purging 'em, and was only challenged on B5. Dunno if he was a COI for AOL or just a misguided enthusiast who doesn't understand the spam rules. --Orange Mike 17:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC) of the Worker Caste
The edit at Wisconsin wasn't a test, actually. Hmong is not an English word since the consonant cluster hm cannot begin a word in English. I read about the Hmong on the linked page and replaced it with what I believed to be the correct English term for them rather than a Chinese word or English neologism. Now, having reexamined the matter, it seems that even though it is a neologism and not a word, it has gained widespread use. If you know, though, what is the English word or phrase for these people? It seems to me now that it is Miao or Miao Chinese / Laotian (refering to their national origin rather than their ethnicity as they straddle the Chinese / Laotian border). 67.101.243.74 21:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, according to every Hmong I've ever met, including the gentleman at the Hmong American Studies office a few dozen feet from where I'm typing this, the English word for these people is Hmong. Like many other linguistic innovations, the word has become a naturalized citizen of American English. We have thousands of these people here in Wisconsin and Minnesota, and they are every bit as much a part of our landscape as the Poles, Danes, Somalis, Gujaratis, and everybody else; and we call them Hmong. (There are even government publications for Hmong citizens and residents, in the Hmong language; and posters on the sides of buses, etc.) Given that they ended up in the U.S. because they took our side during the Vietnam War, they are actually among the more welcomed non-white immigrants here.--Orange Mike 21:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I see. The Oxford Unabridged (the authoritative dictionary of English) doesn't include the term Hmong. While it may be that the term is locally used, it doesn't seem to be an actual word. Since the article Hmong uses that spelling, it makes no sense to change it here and, as such, it was right of you to revert it. Nonetheless, if you're able to inquire of the gentleman you mentioned, does he know what the term for his people used in Standard English is? There must be one as they have surely been called something before they anglicized their own name as Hmong. Thank you. 67.101.243.74 21:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I discovered the answer. I can now add the information about why the term Hmong is used rather than a normally constructed English word. It does seem that Hmong is correct even though there is no corresponding word in proper English. 67.101.243.74 21:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hmong is now the proper English word for these people (it appears several times in the online version of the OED, by the way). At one time they were also called Miao or Meo, from Chinese words; but the proper English word for them is Hmong. --Orange Mike 22:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I discovered the answer. I can now add the information about why the term Hmong is used rather than a normally constructed English word. It does seem that Hmong is correct even though there is no corresponding word in proper English. 67.101.243.74 21:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I discovered it is the correct English term for them. Although it could not be called a proper English word since it is not an English word, it is a foreign word used in English. As such, if proper form were to be observed, it should be italicized every time it is used. However, this is neither a proper encyclopedia, so that rule would seem null in this case, nor is that the point of our discussion. I did find the answer, however, and concede that it was used correctly in all cases online here. 67.101.243.74 22:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- This is where I quote my friend James D. Nicoll:
--Orange Mike 22:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle [sic] their pockets for new vocabulary.
- This is where I quote my friend James D. Nicoll:
- Yes, I discovered it is the correct English term for them. Although it could not be called a proper English word since it is not an English word, it is a foreign word used in English. As such, if proper form were to be observed, it should be italicized every time it is used. However, this is neither a proper encyclopedia, so that rule would seem null in this case, nor is that the point of our discussion. I did find the answer, however, and concede that it was used correctly in all cases online here. 67.101.243.74 22:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, certainly that's so in a way. Yet, there are standards of English that were developed in academic, governmental, and ecclesiastic circles beginning in the 17th century. It isn't a matter of defending English; it's about ad(a/o)pting words into it. English speakers simply can't create the hm phoneme in Hmong with the linguistic tools provided them by the language. 67.101.243.74 22:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- For you and me, maybe; but for my little girl it's just another word, like horchata or filk or bratwurst or anaphyllactic, that happens to start with a rare consonantal cluster. It's certainly more common and easier to pronounce than, say, phthisis, which is in all the dictionaries. --Orange Mike 22:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- So is Hmong in the dictionary, as you've pointed out. It's still a foreign word used in English and not an English word. Phthisis is used in English because much of the standard language as it was constructed drew from Greek and Latin for specialized fields. Consider, though, phrases like coup d'etat and noblesse oblige which have been used in English for over four centuries. They are still considered foreign phrases and are properly italicized in observant literature. I suppose, though, we'll have to wait and see how the term is eventually incorporated into the body of English words. Or our grandchildren will. Or someone will. Haha, best regards. 67.101.243.74 23:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Your opinion on "Truth in Science" article
Hi, Orange Mike!
I've appreciated your editing work on Fred Dalton Thompson. Your commitment to unbiased writing--even on subjects you personally don't like--is commendable. I'm wondering if you could help me out with a dispute I'm involved in on Truth in Science--a UK organization which seeks to introduce Intelligent Design concepts into school science lessons. I don't support their goals (although I am more sympathetic to ID as a concept than most scientists), but it seems as though this article was written to discredit rather than describe the organization.
You can see my current dispute with another editor at Talk:Truth_in_Science#Influence_vs_subvert_or_reform. If you have time, I would appreciate your comment on the matter.
Regards, Eseymour 15:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Cominoverdahill2
Thank you for leaving a message on my talk page, but you are obviously a stuck-up Astrolobean. I'm trying to let people carry on here buddy, isn't that what it's all about? Nawlin has ruined it all for us, and i think it's about time someone stuck up for everyone who's page has been deleted. Don't forget about this conversation! You only care about yourself!.
- No, that isn't "what it's all about"! When you participate in a project like this, you are expected to act like a grown-up. Oddly enough, adults don't find such a restriction too burdensome. I hope you can do the same. --Orange Mike 15:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Whats the deal?
Well excuse me i didnt know I couldnt delete ignorant crap that is of no use to me, really do you not have anything else better to do, and your last piece about Fred Thompson made no sense in common English, actually my facts came for watching the news where they had announced his candidacy, or perhaps it was an exploratory committee, regardless don't be a giant douche about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aldog2007 (talk • contribs).
- If you cannot distinguish a candidacy from the creation of an exploratory committee, perhaps you should refrain from editing articles on that particular topic, and concentrate on areas where you have greater depth of expertise. (I am sorry if my use of good grammar, spelling and punctuation in my edits confuses you.) --Orange Mike 17:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Dude im a teenager I couldnt give a flying fuck, enjoy living in mommys basement and chillin with batman, blow me im goin out with my girlfriend, o and sex, relationships and anyhting that has to do with the opposite sex maybe you should refrain from editing articles on those particular topics, and concentrate on areas where you have greater depth of expertise.
Thank You
Thank you for undoing the edits on my userpage. It becomes more and more vandalized as I take on vandalism and newpages. Thanks again! Cool BlueLight my Fire! 00:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: Boxing Rebels
Orange Mike,
Thanks for your input on my talk page regarding my Boxing Rebels article. I do understand what you are saying, the piece was written in my own style, which is some distance from the style required for an encyclopedia.
I suppose my point was, it was removed because it was seen as an attack, when in fact it was a fairly accurate portrayal of the forum, at least as we see ourselves. But of course this isn't a neutral point of view, it's the view from within, rather from without.
I wasn't criticising wiki when I said "very straight, very dull"; as you pointed out, this is only in comparison to what I'm used to. I may well try to write the article again, and this time try to keep everything balanced and neutral, though this style of writing goes against a lifetime of what I'm used to. Cheers.
YuriG 10:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Illustrated guide to dressing like a hippie
- okay put it back if you want. By the time I was a hippy the dress code was somewhat different (mostly just scruffy and hairy, both of which I was good at), SqueakBox 03:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
And did it myself. Good to see other editors pursuing the good old path, lol, SqueakBox 04:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Long hair
hello OrangeMike, I edited the new article "long hair"- is it too short? greetings from Munich, Germany garlicboy1969 12:47, April 19th (CET)
Nope, don't really know, though I assumed that since the infobox was incomplete, there was little notability of the author; generally, notable authors' pages are more developed. However, I am no expert in science fiction; if he is notable in that field, then I felt he should have a proper infobox. Homagetocatalonia 18:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- He is; and you gave him a right proper infobox, too, for which I genuinely thank you. --Orange Mike 18:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (who also ganked the Social Democracy userbox you used to use)
Personal attack
Your obviously false insinuation that I have not engaged in discussion on film noir's talk page is verging on a personal attack, and arguably over the line. I have reverted the image sizing twice: once twenty-three-and-a-half hours ago to restore the long-established style and once recently, accompanied by my input in the discussion, which is supported there by another long-time contributor to the article. Your inappropriate warning tag has been removed from my Talk page. Please be more careful in the future about your acccusations of "edit warring." There's really no excuse for self-appointed wikilawayers to be so sloppy.—DCGeist 20:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- I apologize for not noticing that one of those reversions was by RedSpruce, not you. --Orange Mike 20:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Apology accepted. Best, Dan.—DCGeist 20:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Kennet Comprehensive School
Please could you make some suggestions as to how the article can be improved/cleaned up on its talk page? Thanks, CR7 22:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your addition to the talk page, I've attempted to remove as many honorifics as I could, but I don't have the first names for quite a few of the teachers. Thanks for your help, CR7 15:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
A request for mediation for a dispute regarding Apple, Inc. has been posted on Mediation Cabal. You can see the full listing at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-20 Apple Inc.. You have been listed as an involved party to the issue. I am offering my time and services to assist with this issue. Please let me know if you are willing to accept my offer for mediation, I have posted a notice on Talk:Apple Inc., please reply there. Thank you! Arkyan • (talk) 17:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Jerry Garcia
I'll remember the "--" :) --UWMSports 23:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I've definitely got the Touch of Grey! --Orange Mike 23:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Haha, good stuff. Question- How do you get your username a certain color to automatically be recognized into your 4~ code? UWMSports 15:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's the HTML coding under "my preferences" that sets that stuff. The "Raw signature" box has to be checked, and then it's just code, like this User:Orangemike|Orange Mike in double brackets If (as I assume) you're shooting for black and gold, then you'd have to code each word or letter separately. I've seen it done. --Orange Mike 15:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Metro area
Because the article is in a category of its own name and that category is in the Metropolitan area category. Both an article and its category should not be in the same higher level category. This is double level categorization. Thanks Hmains 00:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Detroit Lakes Page
Point taken. I am new to Wikipedia, and meant no harm in my edits to the page. I simply saw the dull page that was created for what I believe to be a town many Wikipedia faithfuls may be interested in learning more about. I appreciate your corrections and will change the page accordingly. Any further suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Kingkoin 09:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
As to the words "haunting novel" being unencyclopedic, you may wish to become more familiar with this matter. Look, for instance, at the Encyclopedia Britannica, in the article on Existentialism. In the section on "Historical survey of Existentialism > Emergence as a movement," you will see that Kafka's novels are referred to as "haunting novels." I think you will be aware that the Encyclopedia Britannica is a recognized encyclopedia.
But just to make this perfectly clear, I have cited a source. It's inelegant to hang a footnote in an opening paragraph, but unfortunately at times it is necessary.
As to the genre, this novel, as has been opined to you now by three different users, is not in the sci fi genre. I would suggest that you ptovide a source indicating that it is such a novel. Larry Dunn 03:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Alan Cheuse of the Chicago Tribune and NPR, and Alan Warner of The Guardian, among others. And if you will listen to bloggers, try this, which starts out, "Shhhh, don’t tell anyone, but a science fiction novel just won the Pulitzer Prize for fiction. --Orange Mike 03:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Finally, the reference that almost all plant life is dead is inaccurate. There is no reference to living plants in the novel. Thank you for trying to contribute to Wikipedia, however (and your other contributions). Larry Dunn 03:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Don't know who you're talking to here, but it ain't me! --Orange Mike 03:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
I realize that now. I was frustrated because I'd never done an article and didn't expect the actions that took place. I'm realizing now that it's the status quo to rapidly delete anything that doesn't fit the standards, but that doesn't mean I have to like the way in which it was done. I'll happily still use Wikipedia as a source of information of varying reliability, but I won't try to make any more articles, as I don't like its hasty deletion policies and I especially dislike the lack of courtesy for new users. Uberlegit 04:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- I can see your point of view, Jessi, but I hope you will reconsider. We really do have a "don't bite the newbies" policy. It's just that there is such a history of "two kids get together and build a website, and as soon as they get mentioned on their cousin's blog they create a Wikipedia article about themselves" that some of our editors are highly aggressive about deleting what appear to be incomplete or ill-thought-out "articles" that are not yet ready for the harsh light of day, or articles that seem to boil down to "well, I like it, and my buds online like it, so it's rilly notable, man!" --Orange Mike 04:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Warning
If you continue to harrass Politics rule you will be blocked from editing wikipedia!
- I warned you early but i told a wikipedian admin. i take it back. I am just curious what i did to Joe Lierberman. By the way, I like your name.
God Bless America,
Politics rule 08:36 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- You changed his political affiliation, which is the one officially listed by the United States Senate. This has been the subject of endless rounds of vandalism and edit wars, and not to be messed with, regardless of how you feel about him. Politely warning you about that does not constitute harassment. Please be civil. --Orange Mike 14:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry!
Sorry 'bout that, won't happen again. THOMASNATOR 15:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- No big. --Orange Mike 15:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm really sorry I broke the connection
Dear Orange Mike: I'm really sorry I broke the connection in the article. "Place d'Italie" should in fact have an apostrophe, but nonetheless I should have checked more carefully. Thank you for informing me of my mistake. I appreciate your criticism. Writtenright 18:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)Writtenright
- That's what makes this a cooperative, not competitive, venture. Read this page and you will see some legitimate criticisms of my foul-ups (as well as some stupidities). --Orange Mike 18:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC) ("We humans! When are we gonna have a meeting?" - George Carlin)
Page Creation
Hey could you give me a few links on a template for creating an artist page, and general creation of a new page. Thanks. Maurauth (...) 17:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello
Hello Orangemike! Would you mind posting your comments from my talk page to the talk page for Craig Ferguson? If I copy them over, there are some frequent followers of mine who may delete them because, well, I didn't write them originally and that's what those two like to spend their time doing. Here is a link to the article's talk page discussion. Thank you! 67.101.243.74 21:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Ordinal numbers (first vs 1st)
We had a discussion on User talk:Daggoth S about proper usage guidelines. User:Potatoswatter and User:Daggoth S think there is no need to make an explicit statement at MOS:NUM. Anyway its not such a big deal I guess, if both convey the same information and are equally easy to read. :) - TwoOars (T | C) 14:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Good comments... Thanks. I wouldn't mind removing some of the other links as well, like you suggested. And certainly there should be a way to find real, solid encyclopedic-quality links on the topic. (Do you happen to know if Mermaid happens to run one of the sites whose links got deleted? He sure seems protective of it?) DreamGuy 00:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
UW Colleges
Orangemike, I find your revert on University of Wisconsin Colleges part weird. These 2-year colleges together account one unit of the University of Wisconsin System. Each local location is a subordinate unit of this entity. They are funded by the state. Of course, they are also funded by local governments as other UW campuses do. There is also nothing wrong if they receive additional fundings from the private sectors.Miaers 01:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- They are each a separate institution, like each of the Universities, unlike the constituent colleges of UWM, UW-Madison, etc. Their funding is primarily from the local government, not the the state, although their employees are state employees. --Orange Mike 13:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
No. They share the same website and administration. They are quite different from other 4-year universities. I don't think the local governments pay state employees. Anyway, you don't make any sense at all. University of Wisconsin Colleges, which lists them all is already wikified in the page. Miaers 21:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- You know that, and I know that, but the casual querent for whom a disambiguation page is designed DOES NOT KNOW THAT! That's why they need to be individually listed here (and those which don't have articles, need articles written). --Orange Mike 22:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
University of Wisconsin Colleges is wikified. It explains all to readers. Miaers 23:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Tired of all of this...
...yet? Madmaxmarchhare 22:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Ayup. --Orange Mike 22:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Warning
Your edit on UW disambig is vandalism. Please contribute constructively and use discussion to solve dispute. Miaers 23:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC) What NPOV are you talking about? Miaers 23:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- You are cramming a lot of items which don't have "University" and "Wisconsin" in their names onto University of Wisconsin (disambiguation), a disambiguation page, apparently to give more attention to UWM (a place I, too, love well). In the meantime, in what appears to be a fit of pique you have tried to conceal a long list of institutions which do have "University" and "Wisconsin" in their names, on the grounds that people should know that they are part of the UW Colleges system. You are undermining the purpose of a disambiguation page, since your motions to delete the page aren't going anywhere this time either. In doing so, you are doing disruptive damage to the page and the Wikipedia project. --Orange Mike 23:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: Disruptive editing
Orangemike, as far as I'm concerned a content dispute is never vandalism. Disruptive editing is just that, disruptive editing, and if you're at the point where you want to do something about this behavior, I suggest that we follow the steps in that guideline. We're at the point where we open a user conduct RfC. What do you think? --Akhilleus (talk) 23:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm afraid you are right; but I don't want to do something like that if I'm the only one who feels that way. --Orange Mike 00:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I got a "vandalism" revert today, as well [2]. So, no you're not the only one who feels that way. I've been tired of this whole thing for quite some time. I'm not sure how some of the other editors such as Paddy, etc., feel about it, but you're not alone. Madmaxmarchhare 00:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm tired of you too. But there ain't any smart enough heads who can agree with me. Miaers 01:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Orangemike, maybe the best thing to do is to look at a couple of user RfCs, like Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Martinphi. Basically, we need to collect examples of Miaers violating policies (e.g. his 3RR violations and persistent incivility), starting inappropriate requests on WP:RM and WP:RFAR, and editing against consensus (like this and this). Not to mention creating articles to prove a point--[3]. Collecting the evidence is going to be pretty time-consuming, unfortunately. --Akhilleus (talk) 17:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I find administrators here are pretty lame. What's wrong for someone to make a wrong request? You are supposed to waste your time doing nonsense administrator's job. Miaers 00:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I looked at the Ben Nighthorse Campbell article. I did not delete it. I made only one or two editing changes, nothing more. It seems like the article may have frozen up. Billy Hathorn 01:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- That's why I put a "test1" tag on it; I suspected it was a well-intended effort to edit something, and got messed up somehow. Glad to see I was right. --Orange Mike 02:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Warning
You've reverted my edit 3 times. Please be aware of 3RR. Also you know how to construct a sentence? Miaers 03:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, you've just made your fourth revert; but I'm not looking to pick a fight, so I'm not going to report it. The editors who have been paying me to write professionally from 1984 to the present are aware that I can construct a sentence in English quite well. How about yourself, at least in your native language? --Orange Mike 03:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Request
Stop putting stupid warnings on other peoples pages, when all they have done is make good faith edits. Kindly be less pugilistic, and address the edit you feel was problematic instead. 11up3down
- Good faith edit? You added Jeffrey Dahmer to a category of "Deaths by rectal trauma"! Where is the "good faith" in that? :And I see that you created and populated the category, too! --Orange Mike 03:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I thought that was how he died. If I am mistaken, then this is a CONTENT DISPUTE, not vandalism. Kindly assume good faith. 11up3down 03:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- You didn't read the article before you edited it? He was beaten to death with a blunt instrument. --Orange Mike 03:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I was populating the category Deaths by rectal trauma. I had heard that that was how he died. If I was mistaken, I apologize. It still doesn't justify you putting a warning on my page, as it was an honest error, and my edit history clearly shows I am here to contribute, not vandalize. 11up3down 03:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm still a little weirded-out by the idea of editing an article that way without reading it first, but AGF: I've changed the posting I put on your page from vandalism to test. --Orange Mike 03:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I was populating the category Deaths by rectal trauma. I had heard that that was how he died. If I was mistaken, I apologize. It still doesn't justify you putting a warning on my page, as it was an honest error, and my edit history clearly shows I am here to contribute, not vandalize. 11up3down 03:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- You didn't read the article before you edited it? He was beaten to death with a blunt instrument. --Orange Mike 03:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I thought that was how he died. If I am mistaken, then this is a CONTENT DISPUTE, not vandalism. Kindly assume good faith. 11up3down 03:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
help?
you want to help me with the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Princess%28Band%29
dark princess article i tried to start up? i truly suck at image formatting.Karaveks voice 04:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I'll try (on your talk page). --Orange Mike 04:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: Miaers
Hi Orangemike just came across that Afd for University of Wisconsin (disambiguation) page and your comment about Miaers. I don't think your over reacting to Miaers's behaviour by calling it disruptive. There is a serious WP:GAME issue with this user. I fell across an RfC for Talk:University_of_Wisconsin and found their previous beahviour there (and in calling a needless RfC) extremely disruptive. I commented to that effect on the talk page[4], backing up User:Akhilleus's earlier warning that Miaer's was being disruptive[5]. I think its time for either WP:AN or WP:CN, it looks like this behavour has been going on for months--Cailil talk 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
PS I just saw your earlier discussion with Akhilleus. I have some experience of reporting long term vandalism and I'd be happy to help stop this disruption. I'm opening a report page in my userspace, I'll make sure it's neutral and kept in accordance with WP:AGF I have only limited information on Miaers but I will begin a report. I'll also drop a line to Akhilleus--Cailil talk 23:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm surprised to see you are so interested in me. Could you let me know What's the POV I've been pushing? Why I didn't edit articles with good faith? Shouldn't you also assume good faith before making false accusation of others? Miaers 00:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Otherkin
What do you think of my modifications? this page had LOTS to it back in the day,... i checked, then salveaged what seemed slavageable.Karaveks voice 04:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Vandalism?
Why are you being accused of vandalism (again?)? Madmaxmarchhare 14:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, maybe I should't have said anything, just figured you knew.
- 16:28, 9 May 2007 (hist) (diff) User:UWMSports (Remove vandalism. Welcome message should be at the talk page.)
- Madmaxmarchhare 20:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I guess PaddyM already weighed-in on this--to the usual response Madmaxmarchhare 20:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC) - - Except that what you did was actually vandalism since you know better. UWMSports did not have a user-page, per se, and so OrangeMike left a message there which would be seen. Also, please notice that you reverted it after it was left there for a month, making it likely that UWMSports did not consider it vandalism. Please refrain from vandalizing my user-page in the future. Cheers, PaddyM 15:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- It was Miaers who did that, Paddy, not Madmax! And Miaers was right in moving my comment from where it had sloppily been put, to the right place, other than the fact that it was carelessness, not vandalism, which was to blame. (And we still don't know whether UWMSports actually works there or not.) --Orange Mike 00:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, that was Paddy's response to Miaers, not to me. I didn't think it should have gone there, either, but the continuing accusations of "vandalism" are a bit over the top, IMHO. Madmaxmarchhare 15:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Long hair article
Hey, I just gave the above article a major overhaul. I saw your name on its talk page, and wanted to invite you to check it out. Wrad 11:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
ARI
You might want to look at what's going on at Ayn Rand Institute. ThAtSo 16:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for entering the fray. I made another edit trying to say that the ARI came after the NBI. ThAtSo 18:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Weinbaum
"Wonder" is Wonder Stories, one of several titles published by Hugo Gernsback after he lost control of Amazing Stories. Thrilling Wonder Stories is a later version under a different publisher. Dunno about Posthumous Press; I just copied that from the preceding list. RandomCritic 21:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Category: SF Fans
There has been a call for discussion for the deletion of the Science Fiction fans category. Shsilver 15:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Advent:Publishing
Mike, I didn't remove Advent:Publishing from the fan category because it isn't fannish (it is, and in fact, I suggested George Price as Fan GoH for Windycon this year), but rather because the category is for specific fans (individuals), not for fannish organizations. If Advent were to be included in the Science Fiction fans category, then NESFA, NESFA Press, ISFiC, ISFiC Press, LASFS, etc. should also be included. Those, and Advent, would be better served in a Science Fiction Fan Organization category. Shsilver 14:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Either that, or rename the current one to "SF fans and fannish organizations"; I favor the first. --Orange Mike 14:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Why did you revert the page in this edit? The user in question was impersonating Jimbo. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Amateur press association
Greetings Orange! That color is so yummy. I changed it because I was under the impression that it was an organization of writers/publishers/zinesters, not a magazine itself. Please feel free to re-cat it, as I can see you are better versed in this area. Cheers! Her Pegship (tis herself) 22:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Btw, I have just discovered Category:Magazine people; would that be helpful as well? Her Pegship (tis herself) 00:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
- Nope. It's for individual persons involved in the creation, etc. of zines. --Orange Mike 21:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I, Robot: the movie
Ok, thanks for the heads up, Orange Mike. I updated the wording a bit, but you are right that it should stay in the article. Fairsing 20:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Images
Thanks for the advice...i'll do that...
how did you find me btw? --Huper Phuff talk 21:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- A discussion on related topics you were having led me to your page; then I saw the problems you were running into, and thought I'd give you some pompous, well-meaning advice like the graying old hippie I am. --Orange Mike 03:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Tammy Duckworth's editing of her page
Hey, I noticed you already dropped Ms. Duckworth a note on her talk page about the removal of those personal details. As I volunteered for Roskam, and the letters "GOP" are in bold print across my user page, I thought I might want to talk to you first. I think it may be beneficial for everyone if we left her a note talking about Wikipedia:Autobiography and encouraging her use of the talk page. I was thinking something like this:
- Hello, Major Duckworth, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. I noticed you recently edited your biography on Wikipedia, Tammy Duckworth. Generally speaking, such actions are discouraged on Wikipedia. The edit you made removing parapalegic however, was a good example of when such actions are okay: they satisfy Wikipedia's policies on autobiographies which state that you can remove unambiguous errors of fact. In the future, if you see something that you think might be controversial, or you want to bring to other editors' attention, you can go to Talk:Tammy Duckworth and leave a comment where other editors interested in your article can provide feedback and implement changes. Again, we value your contributions and hope you will collaborate with us to make the best, non-baised article about you we can.
It's sorta verbose, and not extremely friendly, but I was wondering what you though of it? --YbborTalk 02:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Minicon
Thanks for trying to find some sources. I only wrote what I did because I just finished a harrowing experience trying to save an article I wrote recently from the big, bad AfD police. My article was tagged for AfD due to lack of notability. It was eventually spared after supporters found two newspaper articles, a magazine article, a mention in a book, and plans to make a movie about my subject. My initial references which included the subject's own website and an IMDB entry were deemed insufficient. Anyway, I'd hate to lose the Minicon article when one of those guys finds it. It seems to be much easier to get good sources before an AfD discussion is begun, rather than scramble to find them and have to defend them within a few days. I doubt if the Smithway sources would cut it; I'll try to find something too.--Appraiser 19:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, there was a guy who back in May was tangling with some fans and apparently out of sheer spite put a "no references" tag on the article for every SF con on Wikipedia. I just finished killing the last of those I could find. Like much of fandom's history, Minicon is documented in lots of places, like fanzines, that are not online (unless some are at efanzines.com). --Orange Mike 20:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- Glad you took the initiative to zap those "no references" tags. I did a few edits on a few of the articles to put in additional references shortly after the tags appeared. I'd hope other, perhaps more-knowledgeable, editors did the same for other of the affected articles. While I certainly didn't agree with the position that the articles qualified under "no references," there is always room for improvement. Mikek999 17:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks...
For the tidying on my talk page. Much appreciated :) Douglasmtaylor 00:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Sercon
Since the link you provided leaves it up to the reader to decide 'why, yes, that does sound the opposite of what I just read.' (ie, it mentions nothing about being the opposite of the Relaxacon). That's rather WP:OR; you say they're opposites, but your cite doesn't actually mention relaxacons). Also, consider that the Arisia relaxcon is definitely a relaxacon, though it has the annual meeting during it, so it is also sercon, which means that though your addition says they're opposites, it is in fact possible to be both.
I'm leaving it for now, but please find something that actually mentions them as incompatible/opposite types (the nippon page just lists them as differing types[6]), or it will need to go. On the other hand, there's enough out there and enough internal refs to sercons[7] to justify it having its own page, if you wanted to create it and link up those internal refs. --Thespian 16:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- A little clearer, yes. As for Readercon, it had a pile of guests there, and was interesting for that, but sales were flat (I was working the dealer's room for Pandemonium Books & Games), and the panels were sort of blah, and often unmoderated, which meant, aside from Barry Longyear's one-man writing panel on Sunday morning, they meandered and rarely discussed what they set out to do. All in all, I think I'd much rather do the Wiscon thing; friends of mine who went there were absolutely thrilled with most of the panels and content. --Thespian 16:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Removal of content on Restless (Buffy episode)
I saw you removed the note about the First Slayer in the article on "Restless". I guess I agree with you; that content should probably be placed in the article about the First Slayer. However, there has been a mass deletion of television episodes going on in the last couple months, and the Buffy episodes need critical outside commentary or they face the same fate. Kweeket 05:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
- I appreciate your motivation, but there is no way that critical analysis about a given program should be posted to articles about the individual episodes thereof. A link to analysis about the First Slayer might be appropriate in that article, but definitely not in the article about Restless. That stuff will have to come out of all the articles you've been putting it in.--Orange Mike 16:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Can't stop the signal!
- I agree, that's why I moved that analysis from Restless into the First Slayer. What do you mean, "all the articles you've been putting it in"? Kweeket 20:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not wikistalking you, but I get the impression from your contributions in recent days that you have been rather enthusiastic in adding material to articles about individual episodes. I just wanted to caution you about only adding material which contributes to the readers' understanding of that particular episode, to avoid the problem we had here. --Orange Mike 22:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Yes, I did go on a bit of a roll putting stuff from interviews and essays into the Buffy articles; honestly I think much more needs to be added. Right now the episode articles are little more than plot summaries, inexcusable given that Buffy - unlike many television shows - actually has a good amount of out-of-universe analysis already published. That being said, I'll try to ensure future additions are specific, and looking my past contributions over I think what is left is specific enough. Thanks for taking the time to wikistalk me :) Kweeket 23:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not wikistalking you, but I get the impression from your contributions in recent days that you have been rather enthusiastic in adding material to articles about individual episodes. I just wanted to caution you about only adding material which contributes to the readers' understanding of that particular episode, to avoid the problem we had here. --Orange Mike 22:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, that's why I moved that analysis from Restless into the First Slayer. What do you mean, "all the articles you've been putting it in"? Kweeket 20:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Great_Maker_news
Dear Orange Mike,
You wrote: “However exciting you may have found the news, it had no place in Wikipedia, which is not a news venue. I know, you were excited, but it was still out of place. Somebody else has already yanked it out.” in User_talk:Dan_Dassow#Great_Maker_news on 23:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC).
I am trying to figure out what I did that prompted this reprimand. I reviewed my contributions and I cannot find any contribution that would fit. I am assuming that you are referring to contributions to the article J. Michael Straczynski, since he is known as "The Great Maker" to Babylon 5 fans. However, my only contribution on 29 July 2007 to J. Michael Straczynski was to Talk:J._Michael_Straczynski#JMS.27_First_Play. My previous contributions to J. Michael Straczynski were to add citations.
Is it possible that you intended your message for someone else? I would appreciate clarification, so I do not repeat the transgression.
Sincerely --Dan Dassow 12:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- My profound apologies. The gushing remarks in question were from another editor entirely! I got mixed up with your edit, which followed his. Again, I regret the error. --Orange Mike 18:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
As you recently edited Elliott wave principle, you may be interested in the related discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Socionomics (2nd nomination). THF 21:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
TAFF
Actually, I think we can delete the tag that was used. The tag used stated: "You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to its deletion for any reason." and goes on to state: "If this template is removed, it should not be replaced." Now the person who tagged it can list it at AFD if s/her wants. Shsilver 15:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- And besides, I've expanded the article.Shsilver 16:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Ellen Kushner
Hi, OMike! I took the LGBT tag off 'cuz it's not sourced and not clear. Got any sources? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, knowing them for twenty years doesn't count, I know, WP:V. It's tacit rather than explicit in most of their interviews, etc. because they also write YA and don't want problems. Lambda Book Report ran an interview with them back in 2003. As I noted, the lede of the article mentioning that Delia is her wife (a fact nobody has challenged) seemed to me to be sufficient. They were married back in 1998, and I've found at least one fanzine mentioning the wedding in passing Devniad #40, p. 10). --Orange Mike 17:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey!
Just a shout! BenBurch 19:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Castillero Middle School
Hey, I have no idea how to do a wikitable. I left some data on the article. Could anyone who's reading this make the table.
24.251.20.93
Blocked again, this time for three days. Daniel Case 13:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again.
Thanks, yet again, for watching my user page! Into The Fray T/C 17:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Could you please say on this article's talk page why this article is unencyclopedic and should be deleted? I am very confused. I can't respond to your template until you give a reason. Wrad 20:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I wrote or rewrote most of it, so I'm insulted. But, the article has been prodded three times, and the first editor told it was inappropriate without anyone checking the content, so what's a little salt in the wounds. I checked all some scholarly articles and searched the news and google books and the group appears quite notable. I suspect there may be a copy vio, but haven't found it yet. Let's try to refrain from insulting or attacking this editor without a little more exactness and evidence, please. Most of my copy does get edited for being a bit stiff, but, still, this is a bit much. KP Botany 20:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Your English is usually much more fluid, less stilted than this; maybe it's the rewrites that are the problem. I certainly didn't mean to give insult or rub salt in the wounds, and do apologize for any offense given. --Orange Mike 20:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- The article is poorly written, but I think it's because it's cut and pasted from elsewhere. I'll accept your apology, but could you please tell me if there is something else going on here that I walked into the middle of and don't know about? The group looks not only notable but important, and I would like to see a good article, but don't really have time to do much now. KP Botany 20:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- I saw that it had been prodded unjustly, and went to see what the fuss was about. If I get a chance, I may take the buffer and saddle soap to it. --Orange Mike 21:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Please do saddle soap it, it's been prodded three times, in spite of which the group sounds very important. I get irritated at prods that do nothing but lower the level of content on Wikipedia--and this one has been overeagerly prodded, and the editor adding scolded. I won't be the least bit insulted if you change my prose, either, as my posse only works on my science articles, rarely touching the art stuff. Thanks. KP Botany 04:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I saw that it had been prodded unjustly, and went to see what the fuss was about. If I get a chance, I may take the buffer and saddle soap to it. --Orange Mike 21:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- If you look carefully my English is always rather stilted, but I have a posse that polishes it. KP Botany 20:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- The article is poorly written, but I think it's because it's cut and pasted from elsewhere. I'll accept your apology, but could you please tell me if there is something else going on here that I walked into the middle of and don't know about? The group looks not only notable but important, and I would like to see a good article, but don't really have time to do much now. KP Botany 20:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Test
"It is considered highly incivil to remove information from a talk page. That is what these pages are for"
- Ok, well I removed it because I thought it was completely unnecessary to add a comment over such a minor issue. It wasn’t vandalism, it was an error. Hozombel 17:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I didn't use a vandalism template, for that very reason. And believe me, if you read this page, you'll see that a number of my own errors (and the warnings I received) are enshrined in it! --Orange Mike 18:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
Hi Mike. Many thanks for your condolences, it's much appreciated. It comes eventually to us all, and Mam was 85; although I'm devastated to lose her, at least she's at peace now - she could have died any time in nearly the last 5 years, and she pretty much didn't want to go on in the last couple of months. I think the doctors were rather surprised that she lasted as long as she did, she was on about seven different types of medication and it was always understood that there would come a time when they just wouldn't work any more. We were told (though she wasn't) back in the middle of April that there was nothing more that they could do, so we supposedly had plenty of time to prepare ourselves, though of course you can't. One regret is that she didn't last long enough to see her first great-grandchild, who is due to arrive next month; still, life goes on... -- Arwel (talk) 23:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Knock off the vandalism
First, the fanboy page, now you are tearing up the Rich Apuzzo page. You have been reported to a moderator. Furthermore, it seems kinda strange that TPIRFanSteve just happened to redo my undo almost immediately. I'm going to put a checkuser on you as I think you are a sock of Steve.Hdayejr 23:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- Just so you know, Mike, Hdayejr thinks everybody he doesn't like on the internet is me in disguise. This has been going on numerous websites for a good number of years now, and I'm sorry you wound up caught up in it. -TPIRFanSteve 23:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hello Orangemike. I am not sure if you are aware that concerns have been raised about some of your edits on the WP:ANI board. Just wanted to let you know.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- I am the writer of the article in question, and even though I have just about BEGGED for any feedback, you seem content to tag it and leave it at that. In fact, it seems like you just want it to be deleted and have no interest in fixing it. I am a reasonable person, and am willing to work with others on this article to make it less controversial. But I cannot do that if you are unwilling to work with me. So, please work with me, or quit tagging it. - Angelika 23 01:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- As you can see, I'm doing just that. Please read WP:BIO for instructions on how a proper biography article should be structured. --Orange Mike 01:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- JUST NOW you are doing it. This has been going on for hours. Also, you are referring me to an article. That isn't exactly feedback. I want to know why YOU personally have such a problem with this page. I mean, to tag it so many times, you must really find it offensive. Do you have a problem with the subject? Do you have a problem with the content? This information will help me make the article better. You seem disinclined to think that I am trying, and I resent that. - Angelika 23 02:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- The article as originally written was a cross between a press release for the guy, and a resume. It is the kind of advertising-like material that gives the word "biography" a bad name. It is structured like a resume; it is full of folksy irrelevancies; it almost totally lacks wikilinks; need I go on?
I have a life, and cannot spend a lot of time trying to turn it into something more suitable for an encyclopedia article; so I did a bit (restoring some information a prior editor removed from the wrong place for it), and offered a place where you can find further help, since the article matters so much to you. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings. I just want the article to be good, or be gone. --Orange Mike 02:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- I am not asking you to fix it for me. I was asking you to answer some questions, which you did answer in your last post, kind of. Are you always so rude to new people asking for validation and help? You seem extraordinarily condescending towards me and I'm not quite sure what I did to deserve it. I am trying to learn the ropes and do the right things. - Angelika 23 02:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
What on earth are you doing! Please stop.If he deletes your message, then that is an indication that he has read it. It's bloody rude to delete messages from one,s talk page but it is not prohibited. Edit warring OTOH most definately is. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 12:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
New Edits to Apuzzo Article
Hello Orange Mike, I have made changes to the Rich Apuzzo article. I would appreciate it, when you have time, if you would look at it and see if you are willing for me to remove the advertisement tag. If not, I am open to any suggestions to make it so. Please note, I am not asking for you to do an edit to the article yourself, nor am I asking you to write it for me. Thank you - Angelika 23 15:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- As can be seen on the article, I've removed the advertisement tag (no longer appropriate) and replaced it with a plain ol' vanilla cleanup request. I've also done some editing myself. Glad to be working with you here. --Orange Mike 02:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Orange Mike, I appreciate it. It is nice to be working with others. I'm sorry we got off to such a bad start. I intend to keep working on the article, and welcome any input, editing, etc.
- Incidentally, it seems there is an IP address that keeps changing things. Is there a way to find out who that is? I certainly don't want people thinking that is me removing your tags. I intend to keep working on it until we agree it is worthy of no tagging, and let you remove the tag (as I did earlier). Thanks Again - Angelika 23 21:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- It's probably a certain banned party, refusing to log in. Report the IP for vandalism using the usual procedures. --Orange Mike 02:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I added links
I added to my band articles third-side links. P.S. Your style is cool! M.V.E.i. 14:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- "Quiet good taste is the key. Once I learned to avoid that, I could find a style that worked for me." (me to Ben Stein while winning his money) --Orange Mike 14:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- I dont agree with him that you look like ZZ Top. you remind me more John Lennon (who was also Irish, by the way, like you). M.V.E.i. 16:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
User talk:172.189.204.249
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The Uncivil IP User...
Just ignore this nonsense Orangemike ;): 1. Let this uncivil IP user spin their own web. If they continue to personal attack, my finger is already fully on the block button.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 17:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Well, that last remark (in this talk page's history) shows he/she's clearly just here to troll, so I'm afraid I've beaten Persian Poet Gal to it this time. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 17:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
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loneranger
Hi Orangemike, thanks for the heads-up. I'm opening an RFC on Talk:Violence Against Women Act to build a consensus that these edits are POV. I brought this to ANI back in June but it got no attention so I asked Seraphimblade about it, after L4j's last reverts and he recommended the RFC route. Thanks for the heads-up--Cailil talk 13:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the statement that Alan Lowe spends three days a week interning with a film studio in New York, the issue has nothing to do with notability — it's whether the statement is even believable without a proper source behind it. Admittedly it doesn't quite rank right up there with "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" in the list of the world's all-time credibility-stretchers, but it is enough to fail WP:BLP if there isn't a valid source. Bearcat 16:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, read your comment "I've read the debates, and I still feel that your edit misrepresents the original 19th-century progressive movement. They were always very blatant in their advocacy of a non-Socialist position, and were not above redbaiting in many areas." on Jack's page and am wondering which edit you are referencing. Read your bio, you sound like a well rounded individual with a passion for sci-fi; something in certain contexts we share. I personally like Star Trek: Next Generation and the Star Wars saga. Lord of the Rings (the book and movies) are also excellent. Well, with the tangent out of the way...Wondering if you'd like to take a swing at the Progressive article linked above. Your input, whether agreed or not, would help greatly. I see you are a "social democrat" if I read your user boxes correctly. Although I am not, I feel the social democracy people have their hearts in the right place compared to some political movements. Best Wishes, --Northmeister 21:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- My objection was to the deletion of the clarification that the Progressive movement in its original incarnation was an explicitly non-Socialist one, offering what would now be termed a "Third Way": reform of the capitalist system from a distinctly bourgeois, reformist point of view without any support for the disreputable radicals. Progressives occasionally allied with the left, but were not above redbaiting, particularly in rural areas and among the middle class. --Orange Mike 13:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC) posted on Northmeister talk page.
- Good point. I actually agree with you here. I'd suggest you move to re-include the deleted material. --Northmeister 13:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC) posted on Northmeister talk page.--Northmeister 14:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Changes to Pension re: Chile
Mike - my purpose is not to dispute the changes made in Chile, I had simply moved that reference to the countries section of that page, and I've opened up a new page on the Chilean pension system.
The definition of pension should stay general and not reference any particular country or system. Country-specific changes are occurring constantly.
PATCO
Hi Mike, thanks for your help on the PATCO page. The editing dispute around the two different unions may be heating up again, as the second editor has finally started talking (User talk:Bookandcoffee#PATCO again). I'm going to try and work through this, but I would really appreciate if you'd keep an occasional eye on the conversation if you have the time. I don't do this 'mediation' thing very often, and it's always nice to have more than one opinion about things. Cheers. (Oh, nice start on the Union bug article by the way)--Bookandcoffee 18:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
speedies in general
See WP:Deletion policy and WP:CSD. Speedy is normally used for incontestable deletions where no reasonable person would think otherwise, and is kept to certain narrow categories. Categories of things which require judgment or which are likely to occasion debate are not appropriate, since a speedy is looked at by only 2 people and this shouldn't really be assumed to represent the community. In general articles about software do occasion debate, and so do special types of articles like lists and tables. Additional classes are proposed every month or so at WP:CSD, and are almost always rejected--there are serious problems with people using it for things that really need a wider discussion. So the procedure for anything not in the specified classes is to use PROD if you think it will not be opposed, and afd otherwise. with prod, anyone can remove the prod tag, so you have to follow it up to check that it is not removed without the article being improved or the objection answered. If anyone does remove it & you still want to delete, then it has to go to AfD. But prod is very often worth the try. I use it a good deal. Any valid deletion reason will do for PROD-you specify whatever you want to say. You also notify the person--it is not yet automatic like it is for speedy. 20:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Your comments on my AFD
Are offensive, and patently ridiculous. You have no inkling of the motivation behind my edits. In 11,000+ edits, over the course of nearly 2 years, maybe a handful have come across SF topics. To think that I have some sort of vendetta against Cramer is ridiculous, and to insinuate that I have such, in an AFD is offensive, and incivil. Not to mention, administrators do not have special editing powers, nor do WMF staff. I would appreciate a retraction. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 21:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- I will point out that I did not mention your status as an admin (indeed, was not aware of it) or as WFD staff; another editor did that. I did not mention Cramer by name, or you by username, in an effort slightly to ameliorate acrimony.
- That said: it still seems to me that your attitude towards Cramer (a widely-respected professional in her field) and (seemingly) all Cramer-related articles oftimes goes beyond a healthy skepticism or the level of deletionism within the realm of acceptable behaviors in Wikipedia, and does indeed seem to approach vendetta status. I may have been wrong; but I flatly deny that my comments were "patently ridiculous."
- It may well be that I have misjudged you; if so, part of the blame must fall on your somewhat immoderate wording and frequent charges of "piling on" and the like. It is possible, as well, that being a lifetime member of a community which has been the target of scorn and vituperation makes one oversensitive towards perceived slurs and prejudice. (There is certainly a widespread impression in the science fiction community that Wikipedians, or at least certain editors here, harbor a deep prejudice against the field.)
- I shall AGF, as all good editors should. If I have in fact wronged you as an editor and human being, I apologize. If you choose to regard this as a retraction, well and good. I fear I can go no farther. Peace be on you and on your house. --Orange Mike 21:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- If I was attributing another editors comments to you, I apologize. Your comments are appreciated. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 07:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
fan fiction
Your edit looks good. Rick Norwood 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if the article is encyclopedic at all, and I tend to be more of an inclusionist or at least non-deletionist. The article had been deleted once before when it appeared to be completely made up. What do you think about the merits of the article as it stands now?
You have a fascinating bio and you must be an interesting person! I always enjoyed watching "Win Ben Stein's Money" (except I didn't care for Jimmy Kimmel)! Royalbroil 14:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I just caught your comment at User talk:Madmaxmarchhare. Do you think that a term specific to a specific college is encyclopedic? Royalbroil 14:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- The tone sure ain't encyclopedic. It strikes me as more for Wiktionary than for here, but as a "Sconnie" myself I hesitate a bit to put it in for an AfD. --Orange Mike 14:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Feminazi
I started to add the "clarification" section as you were editing it! I did not mean to revert your changes. Feel free to take out "Pro-choice" today. I will make the case to add it in tomorrow. Please see the talk page concerning the characterization of "pro-choice." --IronAngelAlice 20:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Nonsense?
You just accused me of adding nonsense to the corset article. How can you call this edit a nonsense? This edit is only one made from my IP address before you posted on my talk page, so I suppose you had this one in mind.
And it is very unlikely coincidence that you posted this message on my talk page just after reverts made by Eyrian. How can you explain it by not having sockpuppet(s)? --83.131.23.167 21:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- I couldn't find a template for "embarassingly pointless and silly fancruft that degrades the article"; so I used the one for "nonsense"; I apologize if that offended you. There is no place in this encyclopedia for a meaningless list of every time somebody in a movie or TV show wears a corset, any more than there would be for a list of every time somebody in a movie smokes a pipe or eats an artichoke! As to sockpuppetry: I don't know Eyrian, but I am an established editor, well known to many even if not ripe for an RfA; I invite you to view my edit history. (For that matter, if you google for "orange mike" you will get references to me, my IMDb listing, even some photos and a drawing; my existence is no secret.) --Orange Mike 15:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
User:Ccsears not blocked
Thank you for making a report about Ccsears (talk · contribs · block log) at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators generally only block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. Thank you.
Note: Just because you disagree with someone else's point of view, it does not make their edit automatically vandalism. Please see Wikipedia:Vandalism for the official definition. A WP:NPOV or WP:V warning such as {{uw-npov}} would have been far more appropriate and in line with Wikipedia:Assume good faith. -- Netsnipe ► 13:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Re: Category Space Opera
If you go to the Space Opera page it lists serenity and firefly as examples - thats the only reason i added the category.--88wolfmaster 19:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
- I figured that ended up being the problem. Have fun with your culling. And thank you for correcting me, or else neither of us would have noticed this.--88wolfmaster 23:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Yellowcard link
I don't see a rule against the unofficial french website link. Tim Y 02:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- From WP:EL:"Links normally to be avoided:
- Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." --Orange Mike 12:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
External Links on M.U.L.E. page violates Software Copyrights
This is complain for Wikipage on M.U.L.E. [[8]]
BLACKBEARD27K is linking to his personal Website. M.U.L.E. Software Download When that was deleted by the Admins, he is now (indirectly) linking to it via another personal Website.
(1) BLACKBEARD27K is offering, on the above Website, for download a pirated / modified / hacked version of the game M.U.L.E. without the permission of the original authors or publishers ATARI. This is a serious violation of copyright material.
(2) It is in violation of WP:EL as it is SPAM and he is trying to propagate his own web-site Forum here.
(3) Wikipedia is NOT a collection of links.
(4) Also, using common sense, no one should download any executable software from a very unreliable source (as above). Such software may contain trojans and keyloggers which steal your personal information (including Credit Card Nos & passwords)
This individual persists in reverting the deletions. I have deleted the offending link.
Hungrywolf 11:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)