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minimizing disruption, has discussed the situation privately, and published their findings and remedies in the RFAR arbitration case which is closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The remedy includes an admonishment to both users, and Orangemarlin placed on parole and a mentor appointed. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 14:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
minimizing disruption, has discussed the situation privately, and published their findings and remedies in the RFAR arbitration case which is closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The remedy includes an admonishment to both users, and Orangemarlin placed on parole and a mentor appointed. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''</sup></span> 14:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:Well this is interesting. Was Orangemarlin given advance notice so that he could present evidence in his defense? I fear that this kind of [[in camera]] secret case could have a chilling effect - you never know if right now the arbiters are considering taking action against you. --[[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 15:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
:Well this is interesting. Was Orangemarlin given advance notice so that he could present evidence in his defense? I fear that this kind of [[in camera]] secret case could have a chilling effect - you never know if right now the arbiters are considering taking action against you. --[[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 15:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:: This was an exceptional case. We did indeed look for evidence both sides, and noted the good work of the user. But we were clear that what we saw was strong, compelling, and repeated evidence of a problem, and that for reasons described, this was the way to address it. If we were wrong, or we were right but Orangemarlin changes and it does not recur, then all will be good. But there was no other reasonable interpretation available to the matters we looked into. It was obvious, and blatant. We will accept an appeal with pleasure, but the nature of this case was egregious; I can't see any actual likely factual matter to appeal ''upon''. [[user:FT2|FT2]] <sup><span style="font-style:italic">([[User_talk:FT2|Talk]] | [[Special:Emailuser/FT2|email]])</span></sup> 15:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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Orangemarlin,
Would you be interested in helping me with The Institutes for the Achievement of Human Potential. History: the article started off as an advert. After a short edit war between a supporter and fellow WP:MED editor (since retired) I had a go at rewriting it as NPOV as I could stomach. That was 2 years ago. Since then, I've watched it. Every now again, some fan or member of staff comes along and deletes the criticism. Over the last two months, two editors have come along and added a whole lot of positive stuff while slowly chipping away at the negative. I just haven't had the time to look into it but tonight decided that I simply must. See my comments at Talk:The Institutes for the Achievement of Human Potential. I have no connection with the IAHP at all and hadn't even heard about it before WP. I think the article needs revised. Shorter. Appropriate weight. Avoid separate support/criticism sections. If you are interested in collaboration, perhaps a sandbox is the place to work on such a revision? I don't think it is a huge task, but will probably involve a battle. Are you up for it? You can respond here. Colin°Talk 22:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- If this causes me to start drinking, the guilt will be on your head. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- I know you asked me to watch this article, and I've been sadly delinquent, mostly just watching an SPA slant the article more and more. I was waiting to see the final result before diving in too much, but I agree that there are some problems afoot there that need to be addressed and will try to provide additional input. MastCell Talk 22:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- Wow. WP:WEIGHT is a serious problem. The "support" section is huge, and frankly, support from George Bush (you've got to be kidding, like that's someone I trust) and Gorbachev means nothing. You're right, this article is a huge advertisement. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- MastCell, don't feel bad. I too have been taking a wait and see attitude. And the deletion of criticism is much more subtle and harder to simply revert. Can either of you two guys get access to any of the papers listed by QuackWatch or the AAP statement from 1999 (reaffirmed in 2006). Colin°Talk 07:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- Wow. WP:WEIGHT is a serious problem. The "support" section is huge, and frankly, support from George Bush (you've got to be kidding, like that's someone I trust) and Gorbachev means nothing. You're right, this article is a huge advertisement. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- actually, what criticism could be stronger than using those testimonials in the lead? I did some copyed, and will do some more. DGG (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks DGG. I'm struggling to find time to do my "share". Don't waste time copyediting stuff that isn't reliably sourced. Sadly, the George Bush letter falls into that category. We need to separate the medical discussion of the therapies (sourced to peer reviewed literature) from the (misguided IMO) celebrity endorsement of people, books and institutions that "do good work". Colin°Talk 21:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- I know you asked me to watch this article, and I've been sadly delinquent, mostly just watching an SPA slant the article more and more. I was waiting to see the final result before diving in too much, but I agree that there are some problems afoot there that need to be addressed and will try to provide additional input. MastCell Talk 22:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Cool tool
I asked Franamax to make a tool here, and this is what s/he came up with. Cool eh? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Vampires???? LOL. You are the weirdest MD I've ever met in my life. Of course, I just edited BMW R 1200 RT, so who knows what lies behind the mask. By the way, I just watched From Dusk Till Dawn again. Still think it's one of the funnier and innovative Vampire movies out there. I know, it's not real vampire lore for an expert such as yourself. Now, I need to figure out this tool. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Avruch
I'm currently supporting him. Could you point to some of the difs that are disturbing you about him? Thanks. JoshuaZ (talk) 08:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Done. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- By the way, it breaks my heart to oppose an apparent MoT (not that being an MoT is sufficient reason to support, as one can see by my oppose), but his support of the undertow and giggy, and his attack on Swatjester are sufficient cause to oppose. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Heeyyy, an' I thought you an' Mastcell always voted together, at least that's what the other folks said....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- We collaborated by morse code and secret drops in a Starbucks in St. Louis, MO to decide on which candidates to take opposite opinions, so that the we would appear to not be a part of the same cabal. But ssssshhhhhh. It's secret, and I don't want anyone to know. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- BTW, I don't really like MastCell. Everything he knows about medical science is from Gregory House. How can we trust an admin and editor like that. Meh. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Man, with one of you on each side, those fence posts are darn uncomfortable...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Seriously, MastCell should review what I've written. I was concerned about MastCell's support, but when I read over Avruch's contributions, I was reminded of what he had done that I found fairly problematic. I'll probably still respect MastCell (save for his medical knowledge), but I don't think MastCell is seeing it from my viewpoint, not that it matters. Well, other than the fact, I'm always right. :) OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Man, with one of you on each side, those fence posts are darn uncomfortable...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- BTW, I don't really like MastCell. Everything he knows about medical science is from Gregory House. How can we trust an admin and editor like that. Meh. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- We collaborated by morse code and secret drops in a Starbucks in St. Louis, MO to decide on which candidates to take opposite opinions, so that the we would appear to not be a part of the same cabal. But ssssshhhhhh. It's secret, and I don't want anyone to know. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Heeyyy, an' I thought you an' Mastcell always voted together, at least that's what the other folks said....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
← Sorry, for some reason I didn't notice my ears burning until now. I think we just have different opinions. It happens. As to the specific diffs, I actually agree with Avruch here, in that we treat RfA too much like a Supreme Court confirmation hearing. I was also of the opinion that DHMO was handling the stress of the RfA quite maturely, right up until the East718 revelation. Lots of people I consider highly reasonable came down firmly in support of DHMO's RfA, so again, obviously an area where reasonable people can reach different conclusions.
I won't go into detail about Swatjester, because I think that is best handled off-wiki. Here I thought Avruch's response was just a plea for de-escalation and cooler heads, which is always a good idea, and I found his accompanying direct comments to the_undertow to be on point and well-said. Again, that was a particularly divisive episode, and a lot of people whom I respect drew different conclusions than I from it. That doesn't mean they're dead to me, just that we disagree about one specific issue.
Yes, I think he erred on the side of cutting GSTS too much slack when he was an obvious troll, but that's a disagreement about how to handle disruptive editors, and I think I tend to line up at least one standard deviation harsher than the Wikipedia mean there. I think I just don't see these things as starkly as you do. If I thought Avruch actually promoted and defended racism or anti-Semitism, then I hope it goes without saying I'd oppose his candidacy. But he doesn't; I don't see him really "attacking" SwatJester, and I don't think he's responsible in whole or in part for the divisiveness of the_undertow issue. He just voiced an opinion on it, one shared by some but not all reasonable people at the time. I thought it was clear early on that the_undertow was intentionally self-destructing in the most drama-inducing way possible, but I could just as easily have been wrong and Avruch right, since neither of us have paranormal powers.
My botom line at RfA isn't really whether I agree with a candidate's stance on specific incidents or issues, but whether their input was sensible, mature, and thoughtful. If I only supported admins with whom I was in 100% agreement on every Wikipedia issue, I'd only have 3 supports to my name: Friday, EVula, and Ray-ray. I can happily support someone for adminship even though I disagree with them on a handful of specific issues, as long as I'm confident that they're sane, sensible, and open to discussion. Really, the problem admins we have are largely those who are immature, who act unilaterally, and who have a proclivity for power-tripping and shit-stirring. I don't see those kind of issues in Avruch, so I think he'll do fine. MastCell Talk 19:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- I worry that Avruch will be closer in style and quality of admins such as.......never mind. But you know the crowd that is currently shit disturbing. Remember the undertow issue was much more than his White Pride bullshit. He unblocked Moulton, he criticizes those who use science and NPOV in standing up to the POV in Intelligent design, and his withering attacks on Swatjester. Avruch lacked serious judgement in the issue. Based on this undertow issue, do I assume that Avruch tacitly supports the ID POV? I know, I'm sounding like Joseph McCarthy, "are you now or have ever been a member of the Intelligent design worldwide conspiracy?" Avruch, being a fellow member of the tribe, ought to have stomped hard on GSTS and undertow. Niceness doesn't count. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Crap, I didn't know Avruch withdrew his RfA today. I hope this doesn't come across as piling on. Enough said. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yup, enough said. We can go back to bloc-voting now. :) MastCell Talk 03:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- Can we bloc-vote that In-n-out has the best hamburger according to my original research. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 05:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- No, because it's too California-centric and perpetuates systemic bias. The words "Governor" and "Schwarzenegger", when juxtaposed, used to be enough to shame you guys into silence, but no longer... MastCell Talk 08:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, we have legal pot dealers, so I'll just bogart a joint, and I'll be able to ignore your uncivil attacks on our fine governor. Of course, as I recall I didn't vote for him. :) OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 08:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- No, because it's too California-centric and perpetuates systemic bias. The words "Governor" and "Schwarzenegger", when juxtaposed, used to be enough to shame you guys into silence, but no longer... MastCell Talk 08:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- Can we bloc-vote that In-n-out has the best hamburger according to my original research. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 05:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yup, enough said. We can go back to bloc-voting now. :) MastCell Talk 03:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- Crap, I didn't know Avruch withdrew his RfA today. I hope this doesn't come across as piling on. Enough said. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- So those movies they made me watch in high school about smoking dope were right. I should have known. Hold on, let me finish my bag of cheetos. Damn, which cabal left orange fingerprints all over my keyboard. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Alzheimer
Feel free to copy-edit as much as you want. First of all that is the essence of wikipedia and I hope to never feel I own an article. Secondly I know that neither my english nor my writting style are perfect and my contributions are more aimed at content than style (which on the other hand is the hardest thing to do). Finally I go on holidays for 10 days in two hours so you will have all the time you want to revise the article.
On the other hand as I commented in talk page I feel that the Disease mechanism in the pathopsysiology subsection is very techincal underreferenced and underlinked, and I feel it would had to be rewritten before a new FAC, but I don't know enough biology to do it... So if you can do some work on it or find somebody to do it would be very valuable. Best regards. --Garrondo (talk) 14:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
THANKS A LOT FOR THE BARNSTAR... YOU DESERVE IT AS MUCH AS ME... --Garrondo (talk) 14:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
User:Jinxmchue
I believe this is your smoking gun [2]. Obviously the same editor. Who is this guy? Is he the same user as Kdbuffalo? Aunt Entropy (talk) 17:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ah hah!!!!!!!! JinxMchue is a well-known disruptive personality on here, who, amazingly, lives in St. Cloud, MN. That works for me. :) OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 20:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
- Glad to help. It was obvious that the IP had a long history with you, though contrary to Jinx's talkpage assertions, he wasn't especially forthcoming about his identity.
- And I must disagree with Shalom Yechiel's opinion on timing. I find it completely unsurprising that old socks would turn up right when the ID project editors are facing sanctions. Aunt Entropy (talk) 20:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if you were informed, but WP:WQA#User:Orangemarlin. seicer | talk | contribs 01:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Being attacked by JinxMchue is a badge of honor for scientists!!! Thanks! OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 03:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sigh. seicer | talk | contribs 17:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah. I've been called a smear monger, a stalker and dishonest by the Jinx IP. Maybe I open a new Wikiquette Alert? Heh. But I am somewhat curious this how long he will continue to flog the dead horse of this Johnson quote flap. Aunt Entropy (talk) 18:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Florida Marlins are looking real good this year. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 17:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah... looks like they've got 2nd place all wrapped up... :) MastCell Talk 18:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- It's JUNE Mr. MastCell. More than enough time to send the Phillies packing!!! And the Mets are........meh. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 19:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah... looks like they've got 2nd place all wrapped up... :) MastCell Talk 18:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sigh. seicer | talk | contribs 17:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
AFA
Thanks for adding that reference on American Family Association, but the blanket reversion wiped out quite a few good edits as well. Please take a bit more care in future. Orpheus (talk) 07:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sound advice. It wasn't OM who made the initial reversion wiping out some good edits, but the questions raised can appropriately be reopened on the talk page. While Orpheus has reorganised the layout, essentially to an earlier version, it looks as though that lost the additional reference[s].[3] Something to review. . . dave souza, talk 09:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry guys, I'm rather laser focused on the Wildmon anti-Semitism stuff. And honestly, when it comes down to Odd Nature vs. Jinxmchue sockpuppet edit war, I'm siding with the long-term NPOV editor rather than the disruptive POV editor. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Bit of a contradiction – on the talk page you seem to have agreed that anti-semitism would be better suited under "Criticism and controversy" while you've put it under "Activism". Your action seems reasonable in light of the content, I'd suggest explaining the rationale on the article talk page. . . dave souza, talk 15:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Was I not paying attention? I thought I did it right...maybe there was an EC. Let me get it right. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 15:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Bit of a contradiction – on the talk page you seem to have agreed that anti-semitism would be better suited under "Criticism and controversy" while you've put it under "Activism". Your action seems reasonable in light of the content, I'd suggest explaining the rationale on the article talk page. . . dave souza, talk 15:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry guys, I'm rather laser focused on the Wildmon anti-Semitism stuff. And honestly, when it comes down to Odd Nature vs. Jinxmchue sockpuppet edit war, I'm siding with the long-term NPOV editor rather than the disruptive POV editor. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
All sorted now, thanks for attending to that. I had a brief go at rearranging and preserving the added reference, but got fed up when I realised I'd already done this a couple of months ago. I figured the path of least resistance was to roll it back and get you to re-add the ref while it was fresh in your mind. That's exactly what happened, so everybody wins - cheers! Orpheus (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Featured Stuff
Give me a hoy when the concerted effort revives on the AIDS article and I'll try to copyedit and give my 2c worth. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- A hoy? My knowledge of Australian English comes from Crocodile Dundee exclusively. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 19:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- How biased of you! Everyone knows that Quigley Down Under, and Finding Nemo are the truest representations of Australian culture...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Oh FFS! What about...erm....oh bother, nevermind....ok..hoy=yell=alert etc. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Tom Selleck is Australian? Wonderful!!!! OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Oh FFS! What about...erm....oh bother, nevermind....ok..hoy=yell=alert etc. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- How biased of you! Everyone knows that Quigley Down Under, and Finding Nemo are the truest representations of Australian culture...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
←Back to being serious. I need to get energized for a couple of articles, AIDS is one of them. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough...I apologise for not getting involved with the Alzheimers but felt a bit drained of energy, not in th least as it is/was an area I found depressing, but I worry when there is a dissonance in article name vs content. I remember this from early on in the first run of katie at FAC, and my alarm bells went up that some of the article focussed on dementia as a whole (eg incl vascular/ MID or whatever its called now) vs Alzheimers as a subset of it. I recenly pushed thourgh a page move of clinical depression to its orthodox DSM name of major depressive disorder so it was unambiguous as to what the article was about (as all the data on 'depression' is pretty much mdd). Anyways...where is this going? Oh yeah, I think you will end up clincially depressed if you push on with Alzheimers..good luck. There is a big push on all the Everglades articles too, with loads of the FA wirters chipping in. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Everglades? The River of Grass? You do realize one of those nasty Australian imports, the Melaleuca tree has displaced native species there? First you send us Mel Gibson. Then this? Is this fair? OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 21:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hel yeah, you mean Melaleuca quinquenervia which I am trying to work up to GA (joining the queue...), I made a stub for a redlink of Ficus aurea...and look what happened...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Verklempt
- Verklempt — choked with emotion (German verklemmt = emotionally inhibited in a convulsive way; stuck)
It just struck me that this was quite an apt word to be used with articles that end up coming to a grinding halt as editors get all emotional and edit-war and the article gets 'stuck/choked due to emotional reasons'. I was reminded of its use by mike Myers on old SNL episodes....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Kind of like the articles on Alzheimer's disease and AIDS. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 01:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed. I was pleasantly surprised when Asperger syndrome finally made it through FARC without too many tears shed too. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- You have the magic touch. It's just not fungus articles!!!! :) OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 02:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed. I was pleasantly surprised when Asperger syndrome finally made it through FARC without too many tears shed too. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Member of the Tribe (MoT)
Here are some more MoT members for you.[4][5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.243.114.109 (talk) 17:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmmm. Not quite sure what to think of this? Are you implying I'm a troll? Or all Jews are trolls? I just don't know. However, I need to buy one for my kids. :D OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 17:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Irpen
You know, today's idiocy (and I mean that to include all editors involved, no free passes from me on this one) was directly related to a complaint that one editor had removed something from his talk page, and another editor reinserted it. It seems to be a pretty widely held opinion that editors are allowed to remove edits from their own talk pages. I seem to recall Until 1==2 being one who supported that principle. Perhaps you disagree; however, given the spirit of the day, perhaps it would be best to revert yourself here? Risker (talk) 00:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ummmm. I pushed the wrong Twinkle button, and there's no opportunity to cancel a stupid mouse click. I immediately reverted my revert. One shouldn't twinkle while drinking and eating an in-n-out burger. :) OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that right after I finished posting. Sorry for questioning, it just seemed so out of character for you. :-) Risker (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I was just curious what Irpen had reverted, so I looked at the diff. It looked boring to be honest. So I went up to click on my watchlist, while eating a double-double animal style, and I didn't want a big glob of animal style to fall on my keyboard....it went downhill from there. Now I have greasy fingers too. And I'm a cardiologist. Sigh. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I once knew a respirologist who smoked a pack a day. He used to joke that he never had to worry about finding a teaching example for his students. Risker (talk) 00:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC) You've got a blob of ketchup under your lip...no, a little further right...
- Got it. How embarrassing to have a blob of ketchup. Yeah, I watch over my cardiovascular health pretty carefully. Could do to lose a few pounds, but I'd rather have the burger. :) OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 01:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Done a stress test on yourself lately? You don't even need dobutamine... you can just wait for someone to start mangling the medical articles with dangerous fringe crap. Antelantalk 01:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I would tell you to get your lipid profile checked, but according to Wikipedia, cholesterol has nothing to do with atherosclerosis. Anyhow, I don't think a stress test would be useful in this case. I'd go straight to cath on the basis of Bayes' theorem, since the pre-test probability is pretty good. Not that cathing people helps anyway, but cardiologists have to eat too. :) Incidentally, Antelan's point is interesting. It would be relatively simple to assay levels of inflammatory markers (C-reactive protein, specific cytokines) and blood pressure before and after a period of editing Wikipedia. I think the results might have interesting health implications. But that's why I never edit without an aspirin and 50 mg of atenolol as premedication. Re: Risker, I've noticed the prevalence of heavy smoking among respiratory therapists to be extremely high. Not at all unusual to see one fiddling with the ventilator settings for a patient with end-stage COPD and have a pack of cigs fall out of his/her pocket. I'm sure there's a succinct psychological explanation. MastCell Talk 16:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- According to me your lipid profile has nothing to do with cardiovascular disease. And certainly not eating a 32 oz prime rib, medium rare (although the calories will kill you). I don't want to even know about stress-related health issues that arise from Wikipedia. I've been smoking, drinking, eating, and listening to rock and roll ever since editing here. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 18:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- That long list of vices, but no sex? WP really is bad for you! Antelantalk 00:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- All my other vices have caused ED...or so say the commercials I keep seeing!!!!! OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:37, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- That long list of vices, but no sex? WP really is bad for you! Antelantalk 00:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- According to me your lipid profile has nothing to do with cardiovascular disease. And certainly not eating a 32 oz prime rib, medium rare (although the calories will kill you). I don't want to even know about stress-related health issues that arise from Wikipedia. I've been smoking, drinking, eating, and listening to rock and roll ever since editing here. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 18:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I would tell you to get your lipid profile checked, but according to Wikipedia, cholesterol has nothing to do with atherosclerosis. Anyhow, I don't think a stress test would be useful in this case. I'd go straight to cath on the basis of Bayes' theorem, since the pre-test probability is pretty good. Not that cathing people helps anyway, but cardiologists have to eat too. :) Incidentally, Antelan's point is interesting. It would be relatively simple to assay levels of inflammatory markers (C-reactive protein, specific cytokines) and blood pressure before and after a period of editing Wikipedia. I think the results might have interesting health implications. But that's why I never edit without an aspirin and 50 mg of atenolol as premedication. Re: Risker, I've noticed the prevalence of heavy smoking among respiratory therapists to be extremely high. Not at all unusual to see one fiddling with the ventilator settings for a patient with end-stage COPD and have a pack of cigs fall out of his/her pocket. I'm sure there's a succinct psychological explanation. MastCell Talk 16:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Done a stress test on yourself lately? You don't even need dobutamine... you can just wait for someone to start mangling the medical articles with dangerous fringe crap. Antelantalk 01:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Got it. How embarrassing to have a blob of ketchup. Yeah, I watch over my cardiovascular health pretty carefully. Could do to lose a few pounds, but I'd rather have the burger. :) OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 01:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I once knew a respirologist who smoked a pack a day. He used to joke that he never had to worry about finding a teaching example for his students. Risker (talk) 00:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC) You've got a blob of ketchup under your lip...no, a little further right...
- I was just curious what Irpen had reverted, so I looked at the diff. It looked boring to be honest. So I went up to click on my watchlist, while eating a double-double animal style, and I didn't want a big glob of animal style to fall on my keyboard....it went downhill from there. Now I have greasy fingers too. And I'm a cardiologist. Sigh. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw that right after I finished posting. Sorry for questioning, it just seemed so out of character for you. :-) Risker (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia and my Mac
Well, I am a Macintosh fanboy. I have maybe 5 Macs in my life. And an iPhone. In Leopard, one can right-click on any word to get a dictionary and thesaurus. It helps with editing articles here, because I can always use the right word. It has been an incredible tool for the Wikipedia life. Today, I right clicked on the word, and up popped the dictionary once again. That was fine, but I was looking for a specialized definition of the word, so I scrolled down. And as I did, there was the long Wikipedia article on the subject. Wow. This is going to bring my editing to a whole new level. I'm just babbling. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- After last evening's discussion above, I had to check this section out to make sure you weren't talking about something else to eat. I am relieved to see you are not further corrupting your diet; heaven forbid the babbling is a side effect of last night's meal. ;-) Risker (talk) 18:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- I dribbled some of the ketchup on my tie. I'm trying to figure out what to eat to corrupt my diet today. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 18:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This case was held by Arbitrators following their own inquiries.
The Arbitration Committee has noted a number of controversies involving the editing of Orangemarlin and Odd nature, and acting on its own volition and in the interests of minimizing disruption, has discussed the situation privately, and published their findings and remedies in the RFAR arbitration case which is closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The remedy includes an admonishment to both users, and Orangemarlin placed on parole and a mentor appointed. John Vandenberg (chat) 14:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- Well this is interesting. Was Orangemarlin given advance notice so that he could present evidence in his defense? I fear that this kind of in camera secret case could have a chilling effect - you never know if right now the arbiters are considering taking action against you. --B (talk) 15:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- This was an exceptional case. We did indeed look for evidence both sides, and noted the good work of the user. But we were clear that what we saw was strong, compelling, and repeated evidence of a problem, and that for reasons described, this was the way to address it. If we were wrong, or we were right but Orangemarlin changes and it does not recur, then all will be good. But there was no other reasonable interpretation available to the matters we looked into. It was obvious, and blatant. We will accept an appeal with pleasure, but the nature of this case was egregious; I can't see any actual likely factual matter to appeal upon. FT2 (Talk | email) 15:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)