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Archives
- Just "unarchive" (copy) stuff as needed if you want to add further comments.
The first "archive" covers the following topics:
- 2005-11-11
- WP:RFD
- WP:CLS (still on WP:3O)
- WP:RC
- Sealand
- Template:Doctl
- Scandinavian Peninsula
- Wikipedia:Customisation
- Template:Catbar
- Template:Shortcut/ (moved to Shortcut + Tfd)
- Brooklyn_Bridge, see infoboxes considered harmful below WP:LEAD
The second "archive" covers the following topics:
- Image:Red-x.gif
- Usenet
- Wikipedia:Colours
- Editor_handbook_removals
- User:!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!_!
- Template:ArbComOpenTasks
- Help:Contents
- m:Help:Reference_card
- Template:Wikivar
- Wikipedia:Article_size
- template:ed2
- WP:HIDE
- m:WM:RFD
- Newlines
Closed or moved topics
To be moved to an archive later
Template:Phh:Reader
"folks complained that the Meta pages are "not for Wikipedia", which is plain nonsense" - I agree, however I still think this is obtrusive and not the best solution. Maybe you should add this to Template:Hh, which would put it in the standard header rather than the article header (this would also make it easier to maintain). I still have a few concerns, so could you 1. explain how this proves these pages are for Wikipedia (in the eyes of the people complaining) and 2. provide links to the page/s where the compaints are being raised. You can reply here. Thanks. Gareth Aus 09:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
- Template:Hh( talk links history) is the "copied from Meta" blurb, in its latest version also working for templates (and all other namespaces, but nobody needs this), better keep it short and sweet (as is).
- Template:Phh:Reader( talk links history) is a kind of dummy if there's nothing special to say wrt Wikipedia in the lead section. For Phh:Namespace you just decided that Wikipedia specific info in the lead section is necessary, so that page has no dummy logo.
- Template:Phh:Redirect( talk links history) is a bastard, starting like Phh:Reader, but with an additional shortcut, see WP:WP for a few others using this style. It took me some time to redirect a bunch of empty (various styles) Phh templates to Phh:Reader, IMO a common look and feel for help pages is reassuring.
- Something like the old WP:REDIR including the complete WP:R resulting in a different look (numerous categories from examples listed in WP:R) was dubious. The complete Wikipedia specific help idea was dubious, I got already in fights about it after I tried to trim the included pages with <noinclude> (before I found out how the Ph magic works). Users don't understand it.
- Somebody said that they voted on b: to delete all imported help pages because the don't edit the copy warning is against their policy. Apparently that
moronuser never noticed that he can - Unfortunately the folks trying to improve the handbook are scattered in various groups here and on Meta, if I do something it's flying blind, until I catch a rv (or throw it in your case ;-) -- Omniplex 10:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
- P.S.: Check out the Phh:Reader links to see the redirects from other Phh templates.
- Discussion continued in the Phh:Reader talk page. -- Omniplex 18:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Infoboxes and data tables
Hello, how do you do? I saw that you think that not every info or series boxes are layout tables (i.e. some of them are data tables), and that's great because I've thinking about it for some time and I believe the opposite, but because I'm not sure I would like to know more opinions.
From my POV all infoboxes I've seen are no data tables. See for example {{Infobox Country}}
or {{Infobox Episode}}. Sometime ago I believed that those infoboxes were data tables, and therefore they should have row & column headers and a caption for accessibility reasons. Row headers were easy to find, but what about column headers? I can't find them in any infobox. And in series boxes I could't find even row headers. And that's because in my opinion they aren't a 2D data table with raw data like {{Most Active Regional blocs}}
, but the cells are only used for layout purposes.
But I would like to disscus it while developing the Wikipedia:Accessibility policy (really). Am I missing something? Best regards, surueña 15:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe we should discuss it on the WP:WAI talk page, because I've no clear definition of "infobox" vs. "layout table" / "data table" / "series box" / "sidebar" and what else.
- What you or somebody else wrote about "data table" makes sense, if it has caption / summary / row headers / column headers, then it either is or should be a "data table". The opposite should also work, if it merely emulates what <div> with CSS could do on modern browsers, then it's no evil table layout, but only "visible with any browser" for a value of "any = my" browsers without CSS. I don't use Lynx to read Wikipedia, I only use it to test my own pages.
- Generally I don like these constructs, see User:Omniplex/ich and IPstack. They start an article with tons of unrelated info crying "don't read what follows, click on of those fine links to other articles". Annoying from my POV, I don't want to wade through dozens of lines before I finally arrive at the real lead section and ToC. But if these obscure boxes work as on Sealand they are fine, with legacy align="right" and a decent legacy width, 20% or at most 300, let them float. For a screen reader it should be exactly the same effect, if it's bad with CSS it will be also bad with align and width. But it's a big difference for me with my old browsers. That's one of the details I care about, if there are two ways to get exactly the same effect, excluding cruft like <font> tags, then I prefer the solution also working with my browsers. -- Omniplex 17:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, the issue of an article not starting with the lead section (from the POV of non-graphics browsers) should also be addressed by the Accessibility policy (I've some ideas, but they still need more work).
- But please, do you have an example of a data table used as infobox / navigational box (e.g.
{{EU}}
) / series box ({{History of Spain}}
) / succession box ({{sequence}}
). I'm very interested. Thanks --surueña 18:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Changes to Help:Table and m:Help:Table
Hello again. I've just noticed that the above pages gave some bad advice about using background:inherit
on tables. I've edited the meta page accordingly. Would you please check my edit? If it's OK, you might want to TRANSWIKI the page. (But there's a complication: CmdrObot did some good tidy-up edits to Help:Table since the last TRANSWIKI.)
Aside: I used to use REXX myself, or at least ARexx, which was the official glue/scripting language for the Amiga and (like a lot of Amiga software) very much a Good Thing. But now my Amiga sits unused (*sigh*) and I program mostly in Perl. So we're both fans of orphaned operating systems ...
Aside #2: I had a brief encounter with OS/2 in 1993. I was paid to get a SPARCstation to talk to an interactive voice response system which ran on OS/2. I was quite impressed with the multitasking (something we Amiga fans were quite picky about) and the UI.
Cheers, CWC(talk) 13:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Just for fun I looked into m:Help:Table, removed anything that didn't work at all on my browser (or was "off topic" like a list of XHTML colours), added missing quotes to attribute values, and finally copied it back to our Help:Table.
- You can also do this, don't worry about minor fixes by a bot here, they were incorrect: If the nowiki-text says ×, then the example should use it as is, not the UTF-8. It's a stupid bot, it will try to "unicodify" the page again, no harm done for readers, the server translates × to UTF-8 anyway. If a help page is as you like it just copy it from Meta to Wikipedia (or vice versa if you're sure that this is okay).
- The major obstacles are templates working here but not there (again: or there but not here), such examples are often bogus, remove them or copy the templates. And links, the Meta folks tend to forget the important m: for links to pages on Meta. And interlanguage links, on Meta the leading colon in :en: is optional, here it's not, and besides w:en: works everywhere, see WP:INTER. Apart from these technical details you can just copy help pages when you think it's necessary. -- Omniplex 21:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Discussion continued on m:Help talk:Table. -- Omniplex 21:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Template:ifdef
Related discussions joined into this section, it's now clear that Template:Ifdef( talk links history)} doesn't work as expected within templates creating table rows. Credits to Brossow, Algae, Francis_Schonken, and Mangojuice. See also what I posted on his talk page with a question about his cute solution for shortcuts in header templates. -- Omniplex 18:47, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Soon (I hope) {{ifdef}}
and its more verbose relatives like {{Qif}}
will be unnecessary, see the new Parser functions expr:, if:, and ifeq: on Meta. -- Omniplex 04:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Update: Paddu found the reason for the imaginary ifdef-problem: As always "=" in template parameters doesn't work directly, examples on Ifdef. -- Omniplex 13:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Template:Wikipedia subcat guideline
Good morning! I suspect your recent revisions to Template:Wikipedia subcat guideline may have affected the use of the optional third parameter. See my note at Template talk:Wikipedia subcat guideline for details. I hesitate to revert the template just to find out if it was your changes or not. If this wasn't your "fault" I apologize in advance. ⇒ BRossow T/C 14:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Template:Style-guideline
I reverted your changes to Template:Style-guideline because they broke the shortcuts code. Better luck next time :-). Algae 16:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
- ACK, see previous comment, I'll revert the rest of the header template zoo. Omniplex 16:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Template:booleq
It took me lots of tries to get it to work. However, I think this might be the solution you want for Template:ifdef. Basically, {{qif|test=T|then=A|else=B}} is a simple if/then/else thing. {{booleq|A|B}} returns true if A and B are equal, otherwise returns false. So, {{booleq|{{{1|}}}|}} returns true if {{{1|}}} evaluates to the same thing as (nothing), in otherwords, if variable 1 is defined. So you could maybe write ifdef as {{qif|test={{boolne|{{{1|}}}|}}|then={{{2}}}|else=}}... hopefully it will work. Mangojuice 19:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
- Got it, then we can go back to qif|test={{{param|}}}|then= without booleq for this part. But I don't want qif for ifdef, it's simple code copied from a Meta help page about default parameters. We could add your explanation of booleq to its docu, as a case where it's overkill,
like the hint in ifdef why there's no ifndef;-) -- Omniplex 20:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC) - Update, ifndef isn't necessarily stupid, I've deleted that hint in the Ifdef docu, and added the boolne overkill to the related booleq docu. Let's hope that the new if: is released soon. -- Omniplex 20:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
TfD nomination of Template:Ifdef
Template:Ifdef has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. -- Omniplex 14:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
3-24
True, you changed it on 3-24, but you also instantly reverted yourself. You didn't re-add the template until today. Had you left it on 3-24, I would have removed it then. Forking is totally inappropriate, especially since {{qif}} works fine, and m:ParserFunctions are the generally accepted way of doing conditionals. We do not need to make templates anymore complicated than they already are. Please stop. —Locke Cole • t • c 12:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- The m:ParserFunctions stuff is under test, among others in
{{policy}}
, you added{{subcat-guideline}}
, somebody added{{Ltsmeta}}
. - But as something under test it changes, today #rand: was apparently replaced by #switch:. It's abolutely unnecessary to deprecate or replace
{{ifdef}}
now before MediaWiki 1.6 is history, and 1.7 plus parser functions are stable. Your statement that most Wikipedia header templates use #if: is wrong, most used Qif for some time, and in between plus today Ifdef. The latter works, folks (see also the credits above, and on the ifdef talk page) invested time to make it work. I'll reactivate the "ifdef" section (was "closed"). -- Omniplex 13:36, 18 April 2006 (UTC)- I'm sorry, but a forked template is unacceptable when {{qif}} worked fine. #if is an improvement, and the page was categorized into Category:Templates using ParserFunctions so if #if did somehow disappear, finding it and removing it would be easy. However, Tim Starling has said (on the mailing list IIRC) that the "trial" is mostly in name only, and he expects most of these new functions to remain intact after the trial. Also, part of the trial is actually using these constructs and seeing if there are any flaws. As long as we remember to categorize them properly we can do this.
- I am going to revert your edits one more time. You have already made three reverts, so please keep the three revert rule in mind; if you revert again you will be in violation of the 3RR. —Locke Cole • t • c 13:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
mediazilla:2777
I do not understand this edit. What do you mean by spam and vandalism? Is it that you believe that if bugzilla:2777 would be implemented we would have more spam and vandalism? Sorry, I just don't get what's the point. --Ligulem 08:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing's wrong with mediazilla:2777, quite the contrary, it's a good or at least interesting idea. But it's not so good that it must be linked on each and every help page mentioning subst. Help pages document what is, they're not wish lists where all remotely related pet peeves should be added again and again and again. After about a dozen 2777 links I was seriously annoyed by this link spam. Link spam hurts projects like ZEAL, DMOZ, and Wikipedia. And commercial services like Google, but they have the money to fight professional link spammers. -- Omniplex 11:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- I see. But I just don't understand your tone. Vandalism and linkspam? BTW on the M:PF page are links to other bugzilla's too. But if you feel happy without 2777, please do so. I'm just a bit astonished. On another note, I see subst garbage on a lot of pages (even articles!) on the en wiki. Previously it contained even qif's (some geeks even went ahead and added a qif call to the AfD template!), now we have #if's blasted into articles. I just don't get the point with all this substing mess. People say it's because of server-load. And then we send numerous bots around to clean up all that mess left behind from substing. Honestly puzzled, --Ligulem 11:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- For the technical side the new "#if:" or the old "direct ifdef" parameter default techniques should be slightly better than separate templates qif or ifdef.
- In conjunction with "subst:" it's not yet clear (for me), the new "#switch:" is rather horrible, maybe the old template:switch is more subst-friendly. Try to subst template "Allpages", it works: , but the resulting wikitext is ugly / unreadable.
- The server load issue might be secondary, at least in relation to scaled / thumbnailed pictures. The "tidy" (= valid) XHTML output is also expensive, and one of its bugs clobbers all "nbsp" later on the same page. The "nbsp" issues mediazilla:5569 hurt me often because many help and docu pages need pre. But IMO it would be wrong if I'd add links to 5569 on all affected pages.
- If substall is implemented, who's gonna update numerous 2777-backlinks? Can admins see such external link farms, or is that feature restricted to bureaucrats? -- Omniplex 14:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yesterday I saw that I already voted for 2777. Comparison of switch vs. #switch: wrt subst: not yet available. -- Omniplex 21:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Blocked for 8 hours
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule on Help:Footnotes. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. |
Stifle (talk) 19:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, can we sort this block out among us or should we use a more formal procedure? -- Omniplex 22:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see anything to sort out. You violated 3RR, I blocked you, the block expires, and we move on. I havn't been able to find anything exempting Help pages from the 3RR.
- Your message wasn't very understandable to me, however. You don't say what you allege I did wrong, you don't specify the policy that you allege I broke, and you don't make clear what you want me to do about it. If you could tell me these things, I might be able to help you better. Stifle (talk) 22:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Answered below User talk:Stifle#1-2-3 by me: 23:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Review request posted on WP:ANI by Stifle -- Omniplex 00:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
As to my response on ANI, the 3RR is a cut-off point at which people can start reporting others, however, there was an obvious content dispute and edit warring going on. This constitues a disruption and is blockable regardless of whether there were 3 reverts or 4. The 3RR policy itself states that it is in no way an entitlement to revert said number of times. Please find other ways to resolve editing disputes in the future. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 02:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- Answered below Good block with summary So it's just 3RR and then report the other party, fascinating. -- Omniplex 02:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Template:Blocked
Why did you add class="user-block" and a table to Template:Blocked? ~MDD4696 23:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- I found class="user-block" in Template:Spam4( talk links history), but I can't tell what it does, my browser doesn't support CSS. The "table" simply arranges that the icon is shown to the left of the warning also on old browsers, see WP:EIS. -- Omniplex 23:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Increased Popularity of NWscript
You will be glad to know (since your comment regarding the edit of the NWScript Userbox), that its popularity has increased to 5 users... more than some have and with the up-coming release of the second game it should continue to increase in popularity as people discover it is there. Links will be made to the NWN 2 Wiki specifically under scripting tutorials as the information comes to light. Enigmatical 23:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- No idea what that's about, I tried to check the category, its 4 subcategories, the 5 templates, and some corresponding talk pages, but found no comment from me. As far as I'm concerned 5 categories (some empty) + 5 templates (some unused) for 5 users make no sense, the "Babel" skill levels are more interesting if there are hundreds of users. YMMV. -- Omniplex 23:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Just in case, if you're (almost) sure that these templates + categories will be used by more users in the future they are fine. Whatever causes less work in the long run. -- Omniplex 23:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Any new category that is being added will of course be blank to start with (save for the person adding it), and it will take time to fill these up. Its not as if its possible to add such a category and *instantly* have hundreds of people magically appearing in it. This scripting language is for a computer game, one which has sold well over a million copies and has been quoted as being the best RPG of the year. Its received many reviews and has a large community of developers who use it. Over time it will fill up as people become aware of it being there. Just thought your initial comments about it being "empty" when its a brand new category were a little bit unwarrented considering its new, so thought you might like to know its slowly filling up. Enigmatical 04:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, but it's not required to use the Babel-scheme for programming languages, and maybe also not desirable for less than 200 users in total (above that limit you'd get more than one page for the category). For huge categories it's good to split them into subcategories in time, and the Babel-scheme is an established way to do this for languages. -- Omniplex 04:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, I've still no clue when and where I commented this category / template before. -- Omniplex 04:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Your comment including the *sigh* Enigmatical 06:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link, I completely forgot this page after several weeks and looked in the wrong places (= your cats + templates). Now it's clear why you wanted the cats, and why I wrote "sigh" in this older edit summary... <g> -- Omniplex 06:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Template:Edi
Greetings, I see you are going around and swapping out examples of {{Tnavbar}} for the template you created {{Edi}}. Would you kindly refrain from doing that? The Tnavbar templates are more comprehensive than Edi as Edi only allows for access to edit a given template rather than allowing for a more complete access (viewing, discussion) also the template that Edi is based upon was originally developed with the (+/-) for cross-language portability on the international Mediawiki, not the English Wikipedia. I'm reverting your edits that counter my edits to include Tnavbar templates. If you had concerns that {{Tnavbar}} was too big, I've allayed those concerns by creating Template:Tnavbar-mini. Thanks. Netscott 11:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Just to inform you, myself and a few other editors have produced some additional classes of Tnavbar since I left the above message which you might want to peruse at Template:Tnavbar. Thanks. Netscott 22:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- NAK, for various reasons
{{Tnavbar}}
is completely unsuited for the affected project templates - it's too big, not only the output, also the code with weird colours unrelated to any colour scheme on these project templates, it introduces unnecessary Unicode on pure ASCII pages, and for some cases like "policylist" I seriously doubt that a very visible edit link is a good idea. I fixed various things on those templates, also the width, broken <br/>, the height by eliminating unnecessary empty lines, and the floating align=right for old browsers, and I added a category for templates using the style (mainly colour scheme) chosen by Gareth Aus. Thanks for the credits for{{ed}}
and family, but they were not my idea, I only tuned them to use "fullurl:" like I did with{{tnavbar}}
. -- Omniplex 23:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC) - Copied / moved to Template talk:tnavbar. -- Omniplex 23:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've responded on Tnavbar's talk page. Netscott 00:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Template talk:Ordinal date
I've partially reverted you on this template, please see Template talk:Ordinal date for information. I'm certainly not trying to edit war with you over it, but it looks like there is a math error. Please review the notes and change it back if the error is on my side, if so please leave me a talk page note with a link, and some exampels if possible. Thanks! — xaosflux Talk 23:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- For some minutes 152 should be still okay, I've added a "purge" link, just in case, same idea as on Template:MJD ( · talk · links · history) at Meta. If something's wrong with the leap year we'll fix it before March 2008 ;-) -- Omniplex 23:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Too late, now it's 153, and of course we want the leaap day not only in February, stupid. -- Omniplex 00:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Discussed on Template:Ordinal date( talk links history), in essence my bad. -- Omniplex 00:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
CSS Expertise
Hello, "the only User css-0 ;-)". I'm still laughing out loud as I type this! Cheers, CWC(talk) 06:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Haha! That's hilarious :)
So why are you(omniplex) using nn3 anyway, if ya dont mind my curiosity..? ;) --Quiddity 08:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's a kind of FAQ, the WP:HIDE warriors were also curious, I think I'll write an article about it later. I'm a REXX fan, that's a programming language ideal for scripting and strings used on old IBM mainframes. Later they also integrated it into OS/2 (an operating system roughly at the level of W2K, only six years earlier). Therefore on my first real box (not counting some horrible 8086 and 286 PCs), a "Dell omniplex", I installed OS/2 and was happy with it.
- Omitting some stuff that's how I arrived in the Internet: Dell omniplex + OS/2 + REXX, my Fido node xyzzy was already history at this time. Then a dying fan killed the omniplex CPU, and I got a no name box with the same old SCSI 2GB harddisk. Netscape 4.x is a pain, its CSS is broken (still based on Netscape's proprietary "JSS", J = JavaScript). NN3 is small and fast, 2 MB binary, loading it takes less than 5 seconds, and its performance with 64 MB RAM is excellent.
- In theory I should test if Firefox works on Warp 3, if not I should install Warp 4 (I've the CDs) and try again, for that I should reformat a FAT partition to HPFS (OS/2 version of NTFS), if that turns out to be too tricky I should get a bigger harddisk, save the old almost dead first harddisk, and try again, and ideally get some more RAM, but I doubt that this kind of Y2K DRAM is still for sale. So actually I might end up with needing a new box.
- But OS/2 isn't supported anymore, I won't find drivers for some types of modern hardware. And I'm not really interested in MultiMedia and fast DSL connections, my V.90 modem is good enough for my interests: How stuff works, at the software / protocol level, not below (hardware). I just haven't the time and money for a huge upgrade adventure as long as I'm not forced to do it. The next box should be Linux or any *NIX with a 64bits CPU. OS/2 is a 32bits OS, so that would be also a point of no return.
- Of course some NN3 limitations like missing UTF-8 and no inline PNG are annoying, but no CSS is actually interesting wrt Web design and accessibility. Does that answer the question? -- Omniplex 16:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Absolutely :) I've been running w98 since it came out, so fully understand reluctant upgraders.
- (personally, i dream of having OSX running on my current AMD boxen (ha!). though linux seems to be getting almost user-friendly, and recent live-cds finally have fonts that don't look hideous, so maybe ubuntu is in my future.)
- And that all helped me find Wikipedia:Accessibility, which i was looking for. I'm glad to see "Avoid using tables for layout purposes only" in there, as I kinda hope to recode the Community Portal, Help:Contents, and Main Page to not rely on tables (at some point before 2007...). But i'll investigate that further another time.
- Thanks again for the prolific reply :) -Quiddity 18:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Cat:User kon
(from speedy renames) - Thats not really a speedy rename, tho changing Category:Category:Wikipedians who use the Yahoo! Widget Engine to Category:Wikipedians who use the Yahoo! Widget Engine would be. Did you ask Cyde why he deleted the cat after WAS' no consensus? --Syrthiss 00:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- No, it's obvious abuse, already reported on WP:ANI. Is there a better way to defrock rogue admins as fast as possible before they can cause more harm? -- Omniplex 00:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Background for others: Template talk:User kon, Template talk:Catfd, WP:AN/I (incident report about the rogue admin).
Images
Hey there! I've noticed that you were replacing a lot of instances of Image:Padlock.svg with a JPEG. May I ask why? Wikipedia policy is currently to use the most extensible and expandable file format, which is currently SVG. You mentioned browsers in your edit summary; what browser do you use? —BorgHunter ubx (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Discussed at WP:ANI, WP:DRV, and WT:CSD. For details about my platform see above. -- Omniplex 04:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Micronation cleanup
Thanks for your work recently cleaning up a few micronation messes. However, I'm going to restore the section you deleted at micronation concerning micropatrology, because this term has actually been used as described since the 1970s. --Gene_poole 03:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe put in at the end of the 1st section (definition) instead of the lead section. The "nation" vs. "state" issue is already confusing, adding "patrology" doesn't help, it's also not in wikt:micropatrology. -- Omniplex 03:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Mergeto
Would you care to explain why Mergeto is special compared to a large number of other in-article template in requiring that we cater to users with broken browsers? I pointed out in my edit that mergeto is breaking our standard practice, so you could at least have the courtesy to propose a counterargument along with your reversion. --Gmaxwell 12:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've given the reason, inline PNG doesn't work with my browser. Mergeto is used together with mergefrom, I use them sometimes, e.g. just today, and they are supposed to be visible with any browser. That's what they were until you unnecessarily changed one of them. It's a simple icon, nothing where the complete power of SVG is essential. -- Omniplex 12:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not created for your personal benefit. I have a hard time seeing how you can justify reverting against the project norm based on your personal preference. I'm not saying that there isn't an argument for leaving it a .gif, but rather that you have not provided one. If such an argument exists we need to hear it because it may also apply elsewhere. --Gmaxwell 19:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Forgive my intrusion, but I'd like to know what justification you have for switching one of the templates to an SVG file (which, incidentally, is sloppily drawn)? Apart from fulfilling your apparent desire to bureaucratically follow the rules purely for the sake of following them (which certainly isn't "the project norm"), what advantage does it provide in this case? —David Levy 19:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- What 'rule' was I attempting to bureaucratically follow? Your overt hostility is unwarranted and unappreciated. This is a trivial matter which does not call for such rude treatment. --Gmaxwell 20:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- I apologize if my reply came across as hostile and rude, which wasn't my intention. I'm referring to our image use policy. Again, I ask you to please explain the advantage of switching the template from a GIF file to an SVG file. —David Levy 20:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Kernel edit
I noticed you removed the no-kernel section in the articel Kernel (computer science). During two cleanups and housekeeping sessions which I performed recently on the article, I never noticed anything wrong with the section and think it should rest there, as not using a kernel in an OS is also an approach and due to the fact that most OSs do use a kernel, it should be mentioned in that very article.
However, I am completely open to any suggestions you may have, so I would like to hear from you about your reasons to remove that article. Regards, Candamir 23:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
PD: I've added your talk page to my watchlist, so we can continue our discussion here.
- Mainly I was annoyed by this Unununium crap popping up in serious articles. My only clue what a "no kernel" OS might be would be a set of components with two or more working subsets, where these two working subsets have no component in common. Hard to tell if that's still one OS, for starters why does it have two completely independent ways to boot? -- Omniplex 05:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Strange template behaviour
See Template talk:CURRENTMINUTE. I reverted some changes you made to that template and 'CURRENTHOUR' because they were sometimes displaying negative values, seemingly at random. Probably some kind of bug in the mathematical evaluation 'behind the scenes', but it was causing havoc with other templates that use those two values for computations. --CBD 13:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, I missed that comment somehow, therefore the 59/00 post on your page, move it here if you like. -- Omniplex 12:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- As I understand the 59/00 problem it theoretically occurs when two time based 'magic words' are used in a subtraction at just the right nanosecond for the value to change between the evaluation of the first and the evaluation of the second. Before implementing the change I made I tested for that possibility by putting a thousand calls to 'CURRENTTIMESTAMP' on a page and reloading it fifty times... the seconds value never varied amongst the thousand instances. I have just done the same with 'CURRENTTIMESTAMP' subtracted from itself and received a result of 0 in all cases. Thus, if this happens it has to be exceedingly rare and since the method I used performs subtraction on hours and minutes rather than seconds it would be even less common. I think the '59/00' problem may in actuality be entirely the large modulus divide problem... have you seen an instance of '59/00' which didn't involve a modulus division? --CBD 12:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- I thought that I saw them, as documented in m:Help:Variable#Varying_with_time (2nd of two text paragraphs after the table). It was plausible at this time, because Meta was extremely slow for some days. Therefore I started to fix this problem in several templates, CURRENTMINUTE / HOUR yesterday was only an afterthought, the serious stuff operating on one timestamp is Timestamp2MJD. It's certainly not wrong to avoid race conditions, but much less important than I thought until I saw your test result in CURRENTMINUTE here. That's when I debugged it and found 6356. For at least a week action=purge + action=render + action=purge always apparently cured all problems, it never occured to me that MOD could be broken. Intermittent errors are always ugly... :-( -- Omniplex 12:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)