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TheWikiWizard - October 2019
Hello, Nick Moyes! Here is the September 2019 issue of TheWikiWizard.
- What's Hot! (Turkey Overload, Federal Election...)
- Articles (Cite reliable sources!)
- The Wikipedian
- News about Wikipedia! (Wikipedia News and Events!)
- Editor's Notes (New Main Page Planning)
- Activity Page (Fun Activities, and answers to last time's questions...)
- Ads (Cool Ads)
We hope you like this month's issue! If you'd like to discuss this issue, please go to this issue's talk page. Happy Reading! --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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- @Thegooduser and DannyS712: Once again, thank you for your efforts on The WikiWizard. Alsays great to see it! Nick Moyes (talk) 06:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thank You! Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 23:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Not quite a wikibreak, but...
On your user page, you state "...up to summer 2019 I shall have less time for Wikipedia work". Summer's already over. Would you mind changing that? Interstellarity (talk) 16:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- No. I'll change it when I choose to, not on request. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
DYK nomination of Dream Cave
Hello! Your submission of Dream Cave at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello Nick Moyes,
This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.
- Getting the queue to 0
There are now 802 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox.
Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.
- Coordinator
Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.
- This month's refresher course
Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.
- Tools
- It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
- It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.
- Reviewer Feedback
Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13.
- Second set of eyes
- Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
- Do be sure to have our talk page on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.
- Arbitration Committee
The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights.
- Community Wish list
There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion.
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Administrators' newsletter – November 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).
Interface administrator changes
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- An RfC was closed with the consensus that the resysop criteria should be made stricter.
- The follow-up RfC to develop that change is now open at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2019 Resysop Criteria (2).
- A related RfC is seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure.
- Eligible editors may now nominate themselves as candidates for the 2019 Arbitration Committee Elections. The self-nomination period will close November 12, with voting running from November 19 through December 2.
Tech News: 2019-45
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adoption request.
im looking to be adopted. another user is pinging you atm about this. sorry to bother you. DarknessHorses1989 (talk) 19:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I will try and answer you on your own talk page. Give me a bit of time, though, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks!
Hi Nick Moyes, Thank you for your work over at Murray Edwards College, Cambridge, and for the thanks. If the sources don't work out, feel free to remove. Otherwise, I think it's fixed now. :) Zanygenius(talk to me!)(email me!) 00:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- No, that's fine. Thank you for reverting my edit and for then for adding sources. That's how Wikipedia rolls! Best, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:29, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
A survey to improve the community consultation outreach process
Hello!
The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking to improve the community consultation outreach process for Foundation policies, and we are interested in why you didn't participate in a recent consultation that followed a community discussion you’ve been part of.
Please fill out this short survey to help us improve our community consultation process for the future. It should only take about three minutes.
The privacy policy for this survey is here. This survey is a one-off request from us related to this unique topic.
Thank you for your participation, Kbrown (WMF) 10:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Workshop for the creation of new Portal Guidelines
Hello Nick Moyes. There is currently a workshop going on about the creation of a new Portal Guideline: User talk:Scottywong/Portal guideline workspace. Your insights and ideas would be appreciated. --Hecato (talk) 16:40, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Tech News: 2019-47
20:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
ArbCom 2019 election voter message
Editor of the Week
Falcon by Edwin Henry Landseer |
Nick Moyes |
Editor of the Week for the week beginning November 24, 2019 |
10 year veteran editor. Incredibly welcoming to new editors, willing to share knowledge and experience. Adopter in the Adopt-A-User program with expertise and interests in several areas.Organised WP events and promoted and supported Wikipedia in the real world |
Recognized for |
being the top editor for the WP:Teahouse and organizing Glam events |
Notable work(s) |
Falconry, Flora and Mountain climbing are just a few interests |
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Editor of the Week | ||
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of helping Newcomers adjust and grow. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project) |
User:Clovermoss submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
- I nominate Nick Moyes to be Editor of the Week for his 10 year effort in helping newcomers adjust to Wikipedia. He is incredibly welcoming to new editors, going above and beyond normal to help, and is always willing to share his knowledge and experience. He is the top editor for the WP:Teahouse, making over 1,800 edits to the project page. He's also made improvements to the project itself and has contributed to many nuanced discussions in order to do so. Nick Moyes is also an adopter in the Adopt-A-User program, and I'm one of his three adoptees. Nick Moyes is a talented editor with expertise and interests in several areas. Falconry, Flora and Mountain climbing are just a few. Nick has also organised Glam events in RL, and generally promoted and supported Wikipedia in the real world. I have to be concise, even here, as Nick has made so many valuable contributions that it's almost impossible to summarize the quality of everything he's done.
You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:
{{User:UBX/EoTWBox}}
Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 14:54, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Clovermoss and Buster7: Thank you both very much. I'm honoured. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes, Congratulations on becoming Editor of the Week. I have been keeping an eye on your contributions and each and every one of them show you are truly making Wikipedia a better place for our editors and our readers. Thank you for all that you do here! Keep it up! :-) Interstellarity (talk) 23:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, Interstellarity, that's kind of you to say. Likewise I see you're getting around a fair bit, too. Keep it up! Best, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes, Congratulations on becoming Editor of the Week. I have been keeping an eye on your contributions and each and every one of them show you are truly making Wikipedia a better place for our editors and our readers. Thank you for all that you do here! Keep it up! :-) Interstellarity (talk) 23:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Clovermoss and Buster7: Thank you both very much. I'm honoured. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Hot articles
Hallo Nick, I noticed you added a "Hot articles" list to Wikipedia:WikiProject British and Irish hills. How does that work - can any WikiProject have one, and if so, how? I tried experimentally adding it to a couple of WikiProjects and it didn't work, at least in "Preview" - might it have done if I'd saved the edit for real? I can't find any documentation about it, all a bit mysterious. Can you shed any light, please? Thanks. PamD 16:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, I now realise it's run by hotarticlesbot and updated daily so wouldn't produce an instant effect. But I still can't find anything written about it - any pointers, please? PamD 16:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- @PamD: Funnily enough, I've only just this a moment ago posted a request for help on the Hot Articles feed for WP:WikiProject Mountains and WP:WikiProject Mountains of the Alps as these two projects share the same template, and I can't figure that out myself, even though for projects with their own template, it's not too hard. But the instructions are far from clear, I must agree with you. Here is my understanding of the process. Example 12 is up-and-running; whilst Example two is not yet working, and I'm awaiting a reply to my help request. Let me know how you get on:
Instructions for creating a new 'Hot articles' feed on a WikiProject page:
- Go to your WikiProjects's main page (e.g. WP:WikiProject Derbyshire) and create a blank sub-page to receive your project's hot article feed. (a bot will populate it daily, once activated, at around 07:50 UTC) As it's unusual to crteate and save a blank page, you'll be prompted whether you really want to do this. You do!
- Example 1: WP:WikiProject Derbyshire/Hot articles
- Example 2: WP:WikiProject Mountains/Hot articles
- Go to User:HotArticlesBot and follow the link in the 'Subscription' section to then go to User:HotArticlesBot/Config.json
- That page shows you all actively subscribed WikiProjects with Hot Article feeds (latest at the bottom), but you cannot edit it yourself as it is a fully protected page. But note the six entries for each Project feed. You will need to modify these for your own Project. These entries are explained in the row labelled 'description' at the top of the table.
- Now go to the Talk page at User_talk:HotArticlesBot/Config.json, click New Topic, and place an 'edit request', using the edit request template ({{edit fully-protected}}. The template should be completed so that it looks as follows:
{{edit fully-protected|User:HotArticlesBot/Config.json|answered=no}}
- Below the edit request, please your precise text you want adding to the page at User:HotArticlesBot/Config.json. You can use a previous edit request to help you. The text you add might look like this:
"WikiProject Derbyshire": { "Category": "WikiProject Derbyshire articles", "Page": "Wikipedia:WikiProject Derbyshire/Hot articles", "Articles": 10, "Days": 7, "Orange": 5, "Red": 10 },
These settings will give you a table showing 10 articles, the number of days to survey (max 7) for edits made to those articles in that WikiProject's category over the last seven days, and the cut-off point between orange and red background text for the number of edits to include. A popular topic would probably choose a much higher number than a fairly obscure one. You will probably also need to create a new WP:Category for your articles to be put into Category:WikiProject xxxxxxxxx articles where xxxxxxxxx is the name of the relevant Project.
- Example 1: Category:WikiProject Derbyshire articles -had to be newly created
- Example 2: Category:WikiProject Mountains articles -note that this category previously existed for this Project, yet as at the time of this post, is empty.
It may take a few days for your edit request to be implemented, then a further 24 hours for the bot to populate the 'hot article' page you created.
- To insert that feed on the relevant Wikiproject page, just add the template in an appropriate section, either using its full WP: address or, if it is a sub-page directly under the Project page, use {{/Hot articles}} to insert it. Example 1:
33 edits | List of tramcars of the National Tramway Museum |
19 edits | National Tramway Museum |
8 edits | Mark Fletcher (politician) |
7 edits | Greg Knight |
7 edits | Derby |
6 edits | Benty Grange helmet |
5 edits | Margaret Beckett |
5 edits | Derby County F.C. |
5 edits | Bolsover (UK Parliament constituency) |
5 edits | Derbyshire Dales (UK Parliament constituency) |
These are the articles that have been edited the most within the last seven days. Last updated 3 June 2024 by HotArticlesBot.
Let me know if these instructions make sense as you follow them through. Note that I can't advise on setting up a Hot article feed where one WikiProject is a dependant of another with a shared template - that's beyond me at the present time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
You have been turkied! :)
Zanygenius(talk to me!)(email me!) has given you a Turkey! Turkeys promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a turkey, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy Thanksgiving!
Spread the goodness of turkey by adding {{Thanksgiving Turkey}} to their talk page with a friendly message. |
Zanygenius(talk to me!)(email me!) 15:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Special Notice for TheWikiWizard
Dear Reader, You may have noticed that you did not receive a mailing for the November 2019 Issue, this is due to thegooduser being very busy with schoolwork and other important life issues. We do apologize that you have not received the November issue, and we will continue to work very hard to deliver to you the December Special Issue for 2019. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. If you like hearing about Wikipedia News and events, don't forget that The Signpost (our rival paper) does cover such events, in case we do not publish an issue on time. Thank you for subscribing and we will work very hard to deliever the December Issue. Best, --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Coropuna/archive1
Pinging you to this discussion as you previously commented on the topic at FAC and the FAC has not received that much input in terms of "support","oppose" or "no opinion". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2019 (UT
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I'm happy to support it. I'd quite like to work through and do some minor copyediting first, but may not have time to do it immediately. So as my one and only FA application didn't go through because it ran out of time, and someone closed it through what they perceived as inactivity (which was quite demotivating) I'll suppport it now, then try to work through it in odd moments. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Some help?
Some time ago when I first began editing on Wikipedia I noticed on your page you were accepting adoptees (this was a while back around the first of this year). I'm unable to figure out how to get back to that page... I've been editing for a while now but still have trouble getting my head around some of the rules. Specifically, I've been reading the rules related to 'No original research' and the related links to reliable sources and primary, secondary and tertiary source but sometimes the 'how to' apply these rules is where I run into trouble. When challenged I clearly don't really understand the difference as these rules apply to living persons biographies. If you don't mind mentioning the link if you remember I'd be most appreciative. :- ) LorriBrown (talk) 17:26, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I think I've already found it...LorriBrown (talk) 17:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, LorriBrown. I'm glad you've found it, as I wasn't confident I knew exactly which pages you were referring to. There are usually a handful of logically-named shortcuts to most policy or guidance pages, so it's often productive to type into the search box WP: followed by the best keywords or abbreviations you can think of relevant to that topic, and then checking the 'See also' section at the bottom of each help page for related topics. So WP:PRIMARY, WP:ORIGINAL, WP:SECONDARY, WP:NOR should all lead you to the same or similar pages. One tip is to look for the little 'shortcut' box in the top right side of the page, and try and remember its logical naming for the future. Another way is to copy paste any page name you encounter into a section of your userpage, or a subpage. You can even install a script to compile page names of interest into a sub-page. (Let me know if you'd like further details on how to do that).
- I'm happy to help further if you need guidance. To be frank, I've felt a little guilty since you first approached me, seeking support. At the time I didn't see enough broad commitment to the wider aims of the Project to offer you my help, though I've since seen you giving just that commitment, and I felt I should have given you more time. I am sorry for that. I've had very little free time myself over the last 18 months to really offer adoption to anyone else, though things should start to be easing off soon. If you want further help or guidance on interpretation/application of policies and guidelines, just shout. All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hey Nick Moyes that was nice of you to say that! I get that and I can't really remember but I think I may have removed my name from the list. I put my name out there again and I'll wait to see if someone has the time. I can see that it could be challenging. There is so much to learn. LorriBrown (talk) 02:47, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
- I removed my question which when I read it again it seems sort of long winded I think I'll try in the Teahouse. Thanks, LorriBrown (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Kindest person of the year on internet
File:A beautiful reminder.png | Most patient person I've met this year on internet! |
Hi Nick!, as you can see I'm a little bit anxious but wanted to start this last month by thanking you for your patience and understanding and support you gave me when I asked about a thing you already know, and I want to share with you my achievement of the year!, I can now make eye contact with people when speaking, another step overcome!. Again, thank you and have a good start of new Year! CoryGlee (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2019 (UTC) |
- Hi CoryGlee! That's a very nice thing for you to say, so thank you. And that's a really brilliant achievement, and must have been quite a challenge for you to overcome at first. Well done, indeed. I'm sure making that step must reassure you that you can make the next one too, and the next and the next... ... All the best, and get in touch anytime you want further help or support. As we're now just into December, you're the first person I've felt able to wish a Merry Christmas/Happy New Year to! Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:35, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – December 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2019).
- EvergreenFir • ToBeFree
- Akhilleus • Athaenara • John Vandenberg • Melchoir • MichaelQSchmidt • NeilN • Youngamerican • 😂
Interface administrator changes
- An RfC on the administrator resysop criteria was closed. 18 proposals have been summarised with a variety of supported and opposed statements. The inactivity grace period within which a new request for adminship is not required has been reduced from three years to two. Additionally, Bureaucrats are permitted to use their discretion when returning administrator rights.
- Following a proposal, the edit filter mailing list has been opened up to users with the Edit Filter Helper right.
- Wikimedia projects can set a default block length for users via MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry. A new page, MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ip, allows the setting of a different default block length for IP editors. Neither is currently used. (T219126)
- Voting in the 2019 Arbitration Committee Elections is open to eligible editors until Monday 23:59, 2 December 2018 UTC. Please review the candidates and, if you wish to do so, submit your choices on the voting page.
- The global consultation on partial and temporary office actions that ended in October received a closing statement from staff concluding, among other things, that the WMF
will no longer use partial or temporary Office Action bans... until and unless community consensus that they are of value or Board directive
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- The global consultation on partial and temporary office actions that ended in October received a closing statement from staff concluding, among other things, that the WMF
Why
I see you edited out a flint water crisis sentence for "no citation" but your account says your a level 3 vandal and that would mean your telling people not to edit in no citation stuff but you do it. hypocrite — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrEmployee (talk • contribs) 00:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Ha ha! You got me going there. Nice one, MrEmployee. I assume you didn't really mean that comment seriously, did you? If you did, I'm afraid you've rather misunderstood what the little box at the top of my page userpage is doing. But not to worry. It's not there to report to the world that I am a "level 3 vandal" (I hope I never stoop so low). Instead, what it's doing is alerting me automatically to the overall level of vandalism across Wikipedia. When I see it's at level 2 or level 1, I drop what I'm doing and pop over and monitor live updates at Special:RecentChanges in order to protect the encyclopaedia from kids, vandals, malcontents and POV pushers, as well as correcting new editors who innocently make editing errors. I and others try to steer them all in the right direction, or get them blocked if they persist in causing trouble. The editor (you?) who added uncited content only got the lowest, gentlest notification from me (see here). You know, I'd never looked at my userpage in that way before - thanks for drawing it to my attention, and for registering for an account name to edit under. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Nick; A Month Ago You Said...
"When I next get a chance to sit down at a proper pc and keyboard (rather than this miniscule phone) I'm going to paste our discussion..." and I'm wondering when you might get a chance, because I have a new article - my first - in my sandbox almost ready to go, but it too uses a text-over-image photo (an updated one of that which we were discussing) and I'm hoping to first get feedback that I think was going to result from your paste of "our discussion". I'm not in a great hurry and I think you're busy with renovations, but thought a quick reminder might help. All the best. Cheers, BrettA343 (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oops, yes, I'd completely forgotten. So much so, I'm going to have to reread our original discussion. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- No worries, I'm not in a hurry, but I'll direct you to Mt. Lyell and Walter Peak for the updated image and its use - it's now shorter vertically to better distinguish it from the Mt. Lyell infobox photo, includes the 'L' in the Lyell number L1 - L5 and the text includes 'icefield' as per your suggestion, IIRC. TIA. BrettA343 (talk) 20:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Right, so I've pasted in the discussion, as promised. I'm going to have to sit down and catch up on anything unsaid that I wanted to add there. (Just chase me if I forget!!). Nick Moyes (talk) 21:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- No worries, I'm not in a hurry, but I'll direct you to Mt. Lyell and Walter Peak for the updated image and its use - it's now shorter vertically to better distinguish it from the Mt. Lyell infobox photo, includes the 'L' in the Lyell number L1 - L5 and the text includes 'icefield' as per your suggestion, IIRC. TIA. BrettA343 (talk) 20:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Happy Winter!
Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020! | |
Hello Nick Moyes, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
Thanking you
Thanks for you help and encouragement. I will try to improve my editing skills.☺ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siwan2002 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. Always happy to help if you get stuck. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Cheers
Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry
No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well NM. MarnetteD|Talk 20:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC) |
Happy holidays
Next January will mark my first anniversary actively editing Wikipedia. I have learnt a lot during my journey as a Wikipedia editor and a teenager/young adult. I fight vandalism, help others at the Teahouse, almost graduating from NPPSCHOOL, and might become an AFC reviewer in the near future. I would be interested to know, what have you learnt this year editing Wikipedia? I edit Wikipedia because I care about the well-being of Wikipedia. I enjoy editing Wikipedia!! I fight vandals because I do not want Wikipedia to become the hub for vandals. I help others at the Teahouse because I want newbies to feel welcomed on Wikipedia. I also care about the issues that are facing the world such as climate change, war, and poverty. I know there is no such thing as a perfect world, but I want to help as much as I can. Besides donating money, what could I do to help our world become a better place? Have a think about this before responding. Best wishes, Interstellarity (talk) 23:39, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hello Interstellarity. Thank you for your best wishes. Next January marks my tenth year of editing here and, like you, I have also learned a lot along the way. But the more I know, the more I realise I don't know. C'est la vie!
- To make the world a better place, you have to ask yourself what your are rich in, and how much you want to commit. You may be rich in money, but you can be equally rich in knowledge, skills, time, commitment or passion. You don't have to be a Greta Thunberg and irritate stupid presidents to make a difference. You could campaign locally; sign and promote petitions, become an activist for a particular cause; do environmental volunteering work with your local 'Wildlife Trust' or equivalent, improve environmental articles on Wikipedia; encourage family and friends to plant wildlife-friendly flowers in their gardens; take steps to reduce your energy/material consumption; recycle more; use less. The list is endless, and no-one can do everything. Just find a way to do your bit. Then do a bit more.
- Here's my Christmas 'best wishes' to you. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: Thank you. I'm sure I can find something I can do. I hope life is treating you very well and look forward to editing in the next decade. Interstellarity (talk) 00:12, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
New Page Review newsletter December 2019
- Reviewer of the Year
This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.
Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.
Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.
Rank | Username | Num reviews | Log |
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1 | Rosguill (talk) | 47,395 | Patrol Page Curation |
2 | Onel5969 (talk) | 41,883 | Patrol Page Curation |
3 | JTtheOG (talk) | 11,493 | Patrol Page Curation |
4 | Arthistorian1977 (talk) | 5,562 | Patrol Page Curation |
5 | DannyS712 (talk) | 4,866 | Patrol Page Curation |
6 | CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) | 3,995 | Patrol Page Curation |
7 | DragonflySixtyseven (talk) | 3,812 | Patrol Page Curation |
8 | Boleyn (talk) | 3,655 | Patrol Page Curation |
9 | Ymblanter (talk) | 3,553 | Patrol Page Curation |
10 | Cwmhiraeth (talk) | 3,522 | Patrol Page Curation |
(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)
- Redirect autopatrol
A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.
- Source Guide Discussion
Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
- This month's refresher course
While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.
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DYK for Dream Cave
On 21 December 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dream Cave, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when lead miners discovered Dream Cave in Derbyshire in 1822, they found it to contain the near-complete skeleton of a woolly rhinoceros? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dream Cave. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Dream Cave), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
A brownie for you!
Merry Christmas! Mystery Bros (talk) 15:02, 21 December 2019 (UTC) |
God Jul och Gott Nytt År!
Please enjoy these messages from our readers! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:44, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
HI FROM CRETE!
Thanks a lot for your help! for my article ! Merry Christmas! What I wrote is correct the problem is that there aren t so much english references about the village1!! Greetings!Ioannis1981dr (talk) 12:04, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
A cookie for you!
What a nice Christmas poem you shared! Best wishes Sarasota6 (talk) 03:25, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
Beast of Riber
Gooday and Compliments of the Season to you. I saw the closed AfD noting your extensive comments. I have done some editing at articles named Riber and Riber Castle (which I feel should be merged) and was minded to delete the prose at Riber relating to the beast. I was lucky to find a cached version of the deleted article at Google, so instead I left it with a couple of tweaks to de-sensationalise. As explained by WP:VNT, I have added the local sources which establish well-historic usage of the phrase in secondary media. Unfortunately, after a quick look only, there isn't an easy way to explain the local name of Lumsdale used by Matlock Mercury (Beast of Lumsdale) in WP terms. b rgds,--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 13:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, Rocknrollmancer. I should have thought of doing that. I'm not totally convinced Riber and its Castle should be merged, as both are notable in their own right. However, Riber is a small article, so maybe a merge and a redirect would be sufficient. If you live in, or are actively editing articles about Derbyshire, you might like to joined and Watch WP:WikiProject Derbyshire. It could certainly do with a few more active editors participating there. Seasons greetings, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Peace Dove
- Thank you, Buster7. May peace be with you, too. (PS: I think you forgot the closing 'center' command! I've added it here, but maybe you've forgotten it on a few other editors' pages, too?) Nick Moyes (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Special Barnstar | |
For all your hard work as an adopter in the Adopt-A-User program! I was rereading some of our adoption page last night, and I just kept smiling. Did you figure out what you were going to do with Room yet? Stuff like that helped me realize that it's not just newbies that can be indecisive and that every editor can continue to learn new things. I don't think I can thank you enough for all of your help! Clovermoss (talk) 15:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC) |
- Thank you! Well, I did cut down the number of images. Then, shortly afterwards, they began to expand again! At least there's a bit of variation now. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:59, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Image
Sorry for my earlier edit summary because obviously you must not be aware of the background, otherwise you would not add that image. A very-banned and very-LTA performed the world's greatest troll by paying Pricasso to use his usual implements (skim that article) to paint Jimbo, and then spent the next year putting the image on as many pages in as many Wikipedias as possible. The LTA hates Jimbo and the image is a great way to be super-offensive while confusing onlookers who don't know the background. That is why the original image is on the MediaWiki:Bad image list. Hopefully the cropped version won't need to be added to the blacklist. Johnuniq (talk) 09:39, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq: Sorry for the delay in responding. I did actually draft a carefully worded reply the following day, but my tablet browser crashed and I lost it all. Only just got around to following up. You are quite right. I certainly had no idea of the backstory to this image, and was initially pretty annoyed with you for rereverting my edit as a troll. Then I was annoyed at myself for not knowing that Jimbo had taken unkindly to the image and all that went before. So me posting it on his own talk page I can see might not have gone down too well. I've also chosen to remove it from User:Nick Moyes/The Night Before Wikimas, as it's linked to from Wikipedia:Poems about Wikipedia. That said, it's actually a pretty competent portrait, and somewhat better than work by some more traditional mouth and foot artists we see. (eg here and here). I have no plans to reopen a discussion on this image, but I do sense that for all our forceful statements we make that Wikipedia and Wikimedia content is not censored, we could, as a community, be accused of leaning a tiny bit too far towards self-censorship (me included), and I was rather surprised that the cropped image wasn't deployed on the page for Pricasso despite, or even because of, the clever trolling. Anyway, thanks for dropping by on xmas morning to advise me of my little faux pas. Happy New Year to you! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:47, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
- Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message
Seasons Greetings
Seasons Greetings | |
Happy holidays. Hope you are well and are enjoying Christmas. Happy New Year too. Whispyhistory (talk) 19:47, 25 December 2019 (UTC) |
Might want to double check
Hi Nick. You might want to double check this. You unintentionally "garbled" part of a previous post made by another editor. Probably better if you were to one to fix it since it seems fairly obvious that you didn't mean to do that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, Marchjuly. I've now fixed it. Please feel free to correct any obvious error I might make at the Teahouse, in future. The priority is not to confuse the reader. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:00, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For all of your tireless work to make this website a better place, a more reader friendly source of information and for all your efforts to resolve and conflict resolution at various WIKIdrama at ANI. Shellwood (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
- Hey, Shellwood, that's very kind of you. Though actually I think you work a lot more tirelessly that I do! Have a really great New Year, my friend. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
note on your work
I admire your work. keep it up! happy new year!! --Sm8900 (talk) 19:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
On The Bright Side
Hi, it's me yet again. I thought you might be interested to know that I have started collaborating with Pine for On The Bright Side. Weekly threads are sent out on the mailing list; the first one that I helped contribute to was sent less than an hour ago! You're mentioned in the thread (with a link to your userpage) because I'm a graduate of your adoption program. Also, since it's the start of the last day of the year, happy new year! Clovermoss (talk) 06:20, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Clovermoss: yes, I saw as I was browsing through The Signpost that you'd offered to contribute. A good move on your part. I run a blog which has had quite a following, and it's quite rewarding to write in a different voice than that which we have to use here. Well done, and a Happy New Year! Nick Moyes (talk) 09:46, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
In your guidance to referencing for beginners, the second clause of the first sentence says I actually think it's one of the worst help page we have here, as it's so long and off-putting for beginners.. To make that sentence clearer, I recommend I actually think it's the worst help page we have here, as it's so long and off-putting for beginners. or I actually think it's one of the worst help pages we have here, as it's so long and off-putting for beginners.. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Interstellarity (talk) 17:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- It feels a bit like "spot the difference"! They all work for me (which do you prefer?) There's a lot more to tidy up elsewhere on that page, though it sounds like you're ok with much of it, thus far. Happy New Year! Nick Moyes (talk) 18:08, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: I think you misunderstood my message. The statement in the page is not grammatically correct so you might benefit from fixing it to one of the two grammatically correct sentences in the original message. Interstellarity (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Happy New Year to you as well!! Interstellarity (talk) 20:19, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Jeez! Must have lain in the bath, staring at that text and my original for 20 minutes before I finally spotted what you were getting at. LOL. A perfect example of an author being totally unable to see their mistake because they know precisely what it 'says', and no amount of re-reading will let their brain actually see the error. i.e. I wrote 'page' when I should have said 'pages'. Doh! In seven days I think I hit the 10th anniversary of my first edit here; I don't seem to have improved much! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:05, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Wears the soap?
- A: Yes, it does, doesn't it! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:07, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: We should all learn from our mistakes. It's a part of how we develop as an editor. I feel I have made Wikipedia a better place for our readers and our editors. Love the humor!! :-) Interstellarity (talk) 22:42, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- A: Yes, it does, doesn't it! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:07, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Wears the soap?
- Jeez! Must have lain in the bath, staring at that text and my original for 20 minutes before I finally spotted what you were getting at. LOL. A perfect example of an author being totally unable to see their mistake because they know precisely what it 'says', and no amount of re-reading will let their brain actually see the error. i.e. I wrote 'page' when I should have said 'pages'. Doh! In seven days I think I hit the 10th anniversary of my first edit here; I don't seem to have improved much! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:05, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Happy New Year to you as well!! Interstellarity (talk) 20:19, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: I think you misunderstood my message. The statement in the page is not grammatically correct so you might benefit from fixing it to one of the two grammatically correct sentences in the original message. Interstellarity (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia Books
Since you participated in the discussion on Wikipedia Books I herewith inform you that a decision has been taken.
See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_176#Suppress_rendering_of_Template:Wikipedia_books Dirk Hünniger (talk) 20:28, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
thanks
Thanks for the fix. That's an unusually wierd string of typos even for me. DGG ( talk ) 00:57, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've done the same; after the third bottle I really don't care, either! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:23, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year!
Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message.
TWW
If you know any editors who like writing and journalism please refer them to thewikiwizard as we are short on editors! Thanks! --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:20, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Thegooduser: I think Clovermoss could be an ideal contributor. (You don't need old blokes, like me!) Did you see the discussion at Wikipedia:Editor Retention here) that I pinged you in to? There's mileage there to bring younger editors together, and also to tell us older folk how we need to deal with you younger 'whippersnappers'! HYN Nick Moyes (talk) 01:28, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Thegooduser: Have you been in touch with Smallbones of The Signpost? I'm sure they would be willing to support, promote and help your youth-orientated newsletter. Your enthusiasm as a young editor here is absolutely brilliant. I just don't feel that this particular 60+ year old is the right person to be contributing to something so fresh and youth-focussed. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:34, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'll give you a reply after, taking care of some vandals at simple english wikipedia.... --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Thegooduser: Sorry for the late reply. I'm somewhat interested, but I don't think I can make that kind of commitment at the moment. I just started contributing to the Signpost and I'd like to get the hang of that first and continue making real life my priority before making any promises to help. If you contact me in a few months about this, I might be able to give you a different answer. I wish you the best of luck - I read the Wikiwizard and I appreciate the effort you put into it. Clovermoss (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'll give you a reply after, taking care of some vandals at simple english wikipedia.... --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Thegooduser: Have you been in touch with Smallbones of The Signpost? I'm sure they would be willing to support, promote and help your youth-orientated newsletter. Your enthusiasm as a young editor here is absolutely brilliant. I just don't feel that this particular 60+ year old is the right person to be contributing to something so fresh and youth-focussed. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:34, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Clovermoss, Feel free to join when you're ready :) --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:34, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
ANI comment
Hi, there are 2 independent proposals at ANI, you seem to have commented on the wrong thread. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oops - had an edit conflict when I first tried to post and was in a rush- will check again. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:47, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes, thank you. And if it was me who caused the conflict, then consider my apology. regards. DBigXrayᗙ 15:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- No worries. You might have caused the edit conflict, but I was the careless one. Now fixed, and a further post added in the right place (hopefully). Nick Moyes (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes, thank you. And if it was me who caused the conflict, then consider my apology. regards. DBigXrayᗙ 15:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – January 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2019).
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- A request for comment asks whether partial blocks should be enabled on the English Wikipedia. If enabled, this functionality would allow administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces, rather than the entire site.
- A proposal asks whether admins who don't use their tools for a significant period of time (e.g. five years) should have the toolset procedurally removed.
- Following a successful RfC, a whitelist is now available for users whose redirects will be autopatrolled by a bot, removing them from the new pages patrol queue. Admins can add such users to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist after a discussion following the guidelines at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist.
- The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being
the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted
rather thanreasonably construed
. - Following the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Beeblebrox, Bradv, Casliber, David Fuchs, DGG, KrakatoaKatie, Maxim, Newyorkbrad, SoWhy, Worm That Turned, Xeno.
- The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being
- This issue marks three full years of the Admin newsletter. Thanks for reading!
Hi: I'm new to wikipedia editing, and am desperate for some human interaction. Would you like to adopt me?
This is a reply from Nick Moyes (talk page stalker): @Gaurarjun: You have posted on the page of another new user, like yourself. I think Clovermoss might have since asked you to be careful not to leave the 'adoptme' template on other people's pages - this is rather unhelpful for reasons that are a bit complex to explain to a newcomer, but it adds Maryanne Cunningham's name to the list of people seeking adoption, not yours! Asking another new user to adopt you is not what the template is for - in other words, I'm afraid it's not a way of flagging up that you want to make friends here, sorry. Please also read WP:NOTFORUM for an understanding on this. Of course, if you seek human interaction, you will find there are other social media platforms that are designed for that. We do expect and require editors, old or new, to appreciate that we are solely here to build an encyclopaedia, not as a means of social engagement. I don't know your age, but it's also inadvisable to solicit conversations off-wiki via WhatsApp etc. as I see you've done a bit. Please see WP:YOUNG for guidance and safety issues for young editors and their parents. We take the safety and privacy of young editors very seriously, and so it's best that all our business should really be conducted on wiki, and in an open manner. That said, there is a great community of editors here, and they'd love you to contribute to that in the spirit of information sharing and dissemination. In so doing, we all get human interaction with other encyclopaedia-builders. If we get stuck, the Teahouse is a great way to get help from other humans (yeah, I know: mostly men - sorry!) I'm now going to remove the 'adopt me' template you added, though Maryanne is totally free to re-add it to her Userpage if she so chooses. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:47, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the above, I had few questions on the same, if you have time that is, Would it be a terrible idea to consider speaking to me on WhatsApp rather than this texting back n forth.
--Gaurarjun (talk) 16:35, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Haha, I read your full piece just now only, sorry for soliciting WhatsApp to you, hey, at least i removed that stupid 'adoptme' template, enjoy your tea party : )
--Gaurarjun (talk) 18:57, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
One request if you would like to consider, Would it be a terrible idea for you to consider removing your above comments from Maryanne's talk page, i removed it, but your friend Gråbergs came stalking there as well
--Gaurarjun (talk) 19:24, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm actually very likely to question the protocol here, here's something for you >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMPSaZ4hxKk
--Gaurarjun (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
you see why i suggested WhatsApp, i could talk to you about this whole apology and friendly warning thing, but texting back n forth just doesn't do it, anyways enjoy something non-youtube : ) https://www.principles.com/principles-for-success/
--Gaurarjun (talk) 01:20, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- It just isn't going to happen, I'm afraid. I'd be willing to Skype/Whatsapp with one of my adoptees, if needed, but thus far in 10 year here have only done so twice - both times with WMF employees or researchers. (Please place your signature on the same line as your last sentence, not on a new line) 5 minutes in to the smug presentation I gave up the will to go on, sorry. No need to send any more links. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Great, how do i get in touch with those WMF employees or researchers you spoke with, i think the time has come to change the protocol around here : ) Gaurarjun (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- You don't - their involvement with me was not relevant to how English Wikipedia is operated in the way you mean. If you want to change the way things work, you would make a proposal at WP:VPP - but you stand a snowball's chance with what you propose. Please remember to sign in the right place (not on a new line) and to indent each reply (see WP:THREAD). Nick Moyes (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2020 (UTC).
- You are right, i am going to face same inertia at wp:vpp as I am facing here with you, but come on, at a work project, not being able to use phone is completely dumb, it makes no sense that somehow that is completely acceptable in this wiki project, haha --Gaurarjun (talk) 02:33, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- If you and I want to collude on editing, then let's chat by telephone, as no-one else will hear us. We can ring our mates and get a private cabal going to influence certain articles we want to change. No - this isn't how we work. I agree that nuance and spontaneity are lost, but transparency and shared editing are the benefits. 6 millions articles later - we must be doing something right, and I know your wish would not be granted, sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:42, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- You are right, i am going to face same inertia at wp:vpp as I am facing here with you, but come on, at a work project, not being able to use phone is completely dumb, it makes no sense that somehow that is completely acceptable in this wiki project, haha --Gaurarjun (talk) 02:33, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- I see plenty of cabal behaviour already on the site. All the people i speak to, nobody, not even one trusts wiki. 6 million articles are despite all this inertia, i easily see 60 million articles and much superior quality and far more depth as a result of better trust, cooperation and yes communication amongst us humans. It's not my wish, it's inevitable, it's only when you decide to break your inertia and embrace the opportunity that lies right in front of all of us. --Gaurarjun (talk) 02:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Reciprocal assistance
Hi Nick,
I got here, and thanks to User:Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång (have I dont that right?) for informing me that 'Add topic' is also 'New section'. People have been very kind and there's lots I have to look through. On the roast chicken front, I'm afraid that if I went near a timer it would probably go backwards, and you'd be more likely to end up with a fully-squawking fowl than a delicious roast chickie (it might lay a few eggs, I suppose...)
Thanks again Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:14, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yep, the "ping" worked! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Well done, Maryanne Cunningham - you've cracked it! And I even managed to set the chicken to be cooked for when I and the family got home this evening, so all is good with the world! I'm pleased to see you've also edited your main Userpage - it's a great place to collate stuff about editing Wikipedia. I also see you also asked Clovermoss (I won't ping her this time round) about the adoption template and deleting comments. It's all got a bit confusing, hasn't it? Firstly, you are certainly allowed to delete any post from your talk page - it's taken as a sign that you've read it - even formal warningscan be removed. Once the page gets full of lots of messages it's even possible to create an archive. You'd be surprised how useful that can become later on; but lets not run before we can walk. The one thing everyone does frown upon is if one editor changes or selectively deletes what another editor said on a talk page - that's called refactoring, and isn't OK. So yes, feel free to remove the entire thread.
I think it's me that should be apologising to you if I removed that 'adoption template' from your talk page. I actually thought that another editor (Gaurarjun) had added it when they posted there. Sorry if, in my haste, I removed it. That said, the right place to put it is, as Clovermoss explained, is on your userpage, not your talk page. So feel free to place it there, if you wish. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Nooooo! I didn't post the adoption template (or if I did, it was by accident). I'm looking at all the talk of templates and my brain hurts, and anyway I don't think adoption is the way forward any more.
Glad the chicken got roasted. Cheers Maryanne Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:53, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
User:Gaurarjun blocked
FYI, Gaurarjun has been blocked, and I agree with the block. Also pinging Clovermoss to inform her of this. I left a comment on Gaurarjun's talk page with some advice. ↠Pine (✉) 21:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Pine. Yep I saw that at ANI. I also tried to give them some advice, but some people think they know how best to do things, only to discover, too late, that they don't. BTW:How did the training videos work out? Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Nick. I set up a space for the videos and associated information on the Outreach wiki, which you can see by following this link: Outreach:NavWiki. Progress is slow but good. At the moment I'm doing this work on unpaid time, and the future of the project is uncertain, partly because of the problems associated with funding. Funding issues include the history of WMF having conflicts with the community, and concerns regarding WMF's unreliability with providing grant funding. I would prefer to get funding from a non-WMF source, but I don't know if that will ever happen, and without that funding this project will continue at a slow pace for the foreseeable future.
- By the way, I am usually fine with people requesting to have off wiki conversations. Email, Google Hangouts, and IRC conversations happen routinely for official business such as meetings, and there are many Wikimedians who have informal conversations on social networks. What I am not OK with is someone refusing to accept "no" for an answer to a request for an off-wiki discussion, especially if the discussion is of a personal nature rather than for some official business such as discussing nonpublic evidence in a sockpuppet investigation.
- Thank you for mentoring Clovermoss. She seems to be doing very well on Wikipedia. ↠Pine (✉) 23:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks - I'll take a look. Yes, I daren't say I'm proud of her, as Clovermoss would be a darned good Wikipedian without me, but I have taken some pleasure in seeing her grow and guiding her development here. A very mature head on those shoulders, I must say. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the compliment! I noticed the block when I logged on yesterday, but I wasn't sure what I thought about it at first, and it took me awhile to come to a conclusion. I was slightly surprised that I wasn't notified of the ANI discussion while it was ongoing, especially since I'm mentioned in it. Throughout my interactions with them, I tried my best to steer it in a more productive direction. I was clear about not wanting to communciate over WhatsApp, but I got the impression that this was someone who didn't really understand why that doesn't usually happen and felt that asking repeatedly might change the answer I gave (which is why I wrote my last response the way that I did). In general, I'm not opposed to off-wiki conversations, but I felt uncomfortable doing that here and I tried to make that clear. I was frustrated when they continued to ask after I clearly said no, though. I like to feel like I can trust someone if I talk to them off-wiki, and I felt uncomfortable making that judgement call here. I've had some bad experiences with stuff like that before (though not related to Wikipedia, with the exception of some disturbing messages a few months ago from a different person in my talk page history that have since been revdelled). I don't have a WhatsApp account and I wasn't creating one to interact with just one person, anyways. Around the time I stopped replying, when I got the YouTube links, I went to their talk page and saw CaptainEek's message about how comparing other people to the Gestapo is not cool. I started thinking that so far their editing has been fairly distruptive and they might get blocked for that. Now, they've been blocked, for personal attacks, and PAs are clearly not okay. They appear to have since apologized for their actions: I'm not sure if that's enough in this context but I'd like to believe that it is a sincere apology. I think taking some time away from Wikipedia could be useful, as other people have already pointed out. I think that demonstrating how they'd like to contribute to Wikipedia constructively would also be a good idea if they'd like to be unblocked in the future. Clovermoss (talk) 02:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks - I'll take a look. Yes, I daren't say I'm proud of her, as Clovermoss would be a darned good Wikipedian without me, but I have taken some pleasure in seeing her grow and guiding her development here. A very mature head on those shoulders, I must say. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
TheWikiWizard - January 2020
Hello, Nick Moyes! Here is the January 2020 issue of TheWikiWizard.
- What's Hot! (We Found Santa Claus!...)
- Articles (DFFT, Young Editors!)
- The Wikipedian
- News about Wikipedia! (Wikipedia News and Events!)
- Editor's Notes (New Main Page DYKS)
- Activity Page (Fun Activities, and super cool stuff...)
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We hope you like this month's issue! If you'd like to discuss this issue, please go to this issue's talk page. Happy Reading! --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 04:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
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Question/observation
Hi Nick, hope you don't mind me asking you another question (you are very helpful, bless you).
Pages that don't exist show up in red. But, so do some pages that DO exist Eg, I inserted this link to an article esplumoir , and it shows up red, as does the other French reference in the entry. The page itself is there, in French.
But 'your' Mont Blanc Massif: (French: Massif du Mont-Blanc is blue.
Could you explain? (Hope this is the right place to post this, should it be in the Teahouse?) Thanks again Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- No problem, Maryanne Cunningham. That's a darned good question, and you are absolutely right to hold me to account to my statement at the Teahouse. I am very impressed you've advanced already to using interlanguage link templates (
{{ill}}
) where, it is quite true: you get both a red link if there's no page on English Wikipedia (we often just write en-wiki for short), and then a blue link for the tiny 'fr' linking to the equivalent pre-existing article on French Wikipedia. There is no page on Esplumoir yet on enwiki, so it is red, but the target page on fr-wiki is 'Esplumoir Merlin' -which does exist as you appreciate.
I probably ought to go through the Mont Blanc massif article to look for any new blue links in the interlanguage link templates and remove them (mainly glaciers), as I'm intending to renominate the article for Featured Article status later this year, as it needs to be as near perfect as possible. Were you aware that, in desktop view, the lower left side of the page shows all the languages that an article is available in? So there's then no need to use the 'ill' template when there is an article here on en-wiki.
- Now, I've copied the text in wikimarkup from that article which I've pasted below, and it's worth looking at in detail:
- "The Mont Blanc massif (French: Massif du Mont-Blanc; Italian: Massiccio del Monte Bianco) is a mountain range in the ..."
- The source code for this is:
- "The '''Mont Blanc massif''' ({{lang-fr|Massif du Mont-Blanc}}; {{lang-it|Massiccio del Monte Bianco}}) is a [[mountain range]] in the ..."
- Note that, instead of using the interlanguage link template (
{{ill}}
), that sentence is using a different template to speedily indicate how the place name is spelled in different languages. It uses the{{lang-fr}}
template. Thus, it is 'French' which is blue linked, not "Massif du Mont-Blanc", so allowing a user to go to the page on the French language, and so on. Click either of those template names above, and you'll go to the documentation for those templates.
- I rarely use the language template, and so I forget how to format it. So, whenever I need to add in the source code for it (a.k.a. wikimarkup), I find an existing article that uses it, open the 'Edit source' tab and then just copy, paste and then tweak the text to suit.
- By the way, have you encountered 'Redirects' yet (Shortcut: WP:REDIRECT). This allows you to create alternative spellings for articles, but send all users just to the one page. Thus, Massif du Mont-Blanc will REDIRECT to Mont Blanc massif.
- Has this made sense, I wonder?
- There's no problem you posting questions on my talk page, if you wish. Obviously, apart from a few friendly 'talk page stalkers' there's no-one else here to see your question, so it can be quite a while before I can reply - sometimes days. In contrast, the Teahouse gives you access to a wider range of potential helpers, and thus a quicker reply. This is why I encourage complete beginners who enquire about adoption to actually ask their first basic questions at the Teahouse, as they'll get a far quicker reply than on one person's user talk page. It's the complicated questions that are not urgent, but which perhaps require much more detailed handling over a prolonged period, that I think really suits the 'Adoption' process better, especially as there's no risk of threads disappearing after a few days into an archive, and one can follow the flow of conversation far better when two people engage over finer detail or multiple queries. (In case you're interested, this page shows the back and forth chats between me and my recently graduated star pupil, Clovermoss, who I'm rather proud of - if that's the right word to use, which it probably ain't! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:49, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Nick. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Conditional inversion
Hi, Nick. In your interaction with Sergacy at the Teahouse, you said " Were you to change the licencing back, you might find yourself having to go through our WP:OTRS system to prove there was no current copyvio". They asked for explanation, and you did so, using the phrase "Should you do so". I get the impression that the other party is not a native English speaker, and of course I don't know what part of your suggestion they had difficulty understanding. But I notice that in both your original comment and in your explanation you used the rather literary device of inversion to express a conditional ("Were you... "; "Should you ..."). I'd like to suggest that it is clearer, especially for non-native readers, to use an explicit "if".
- With appreciation for all you do at the Teahouse, yours ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- Fair cop, Colin - I will change it. Thank you so much. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)