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hi
hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.15.60.102 (talk) 14:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hey 103. Were you looking for some help? --NeilN talk to me 14:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thank you for your help with the Talen Energy logo and in recognition of all the good stuff you do here at Wikipedia. Truly outstanding! Grahamboat (talk) 16:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC) |
- Thanks Grahamboat, appreciate that. --NeilN talk to me 19:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Please explain.
Please explain how my edit "vandalized" Wikipedia. I stated a fact which many people agree with and you called my editing disruptive. I see absolutely nothing wrong in what I did and I would appreciate it if you would explain your reasoning behind your threat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xx.can't.think.of.a.good.username.xX (talk • contribs) 21:13, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- It's pretty obvious you are joining the mob in denigrating Drake Bell. If you must, you can do that elsewhere, not on Wikipedia where we have a strict biography policy that applies to all articles. --NeilN talk to me 21:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Drake Bell
I've seen you removing vandalism at the Drake Bell page. Does the whole thing with Caitlyn Jenner qualify for inclusion in his or her article? -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Deadpool100. We cannot add anything unless we have good quality reliable sources covering it (not tabloids). With these types of things I like to apply the ten year test, only cut down a bit. In a couple years, do you think anyone will still be mentioning the incident? --NeilN talk to me 00:12, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, NY Daily News and Billboard as far as I've seen. But the Justin Bieber thing has been going on for three years. That, maybe? -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Deadpool100: The Bieber thing is already mentioned in the article. If coverage is ongoing, and you think it warrants more space in the article, go for it, keeping in mind other editors might object to what they see as adding trivia. --NeilN talk to me 00:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for your help. As you see, I'm pretty new. But I read up on policy and such before editing. And jeez, there has been a lot of vandalism on his page since this happened. -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Deadpool100: Yes, when a celebrity does or says something controversial their article usually experiences a wave of disruptive edits. Thank you for helping out on this one. --NeilN talk to me 00:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yup. I look forward to editing with you in the future. And looking on the history, a major editor to the article hasn't touched it in a while. Did something happen? -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Deadpool100: They got blocked from editing for six months for persistent edit warring. --NeilN talk to me 01:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, shame. I hope he does come back after the block. Granted, I wouldn't, but maybe he might. He looked like a positive contributor to quite a number of articles. If he does come back, maybe he'll learn from the block. And don't keep tagging me, I'll be watching your page. -- Deadpool100 (talk) 01:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Deadpool100: They got blocked from editing for six months for persistent edit warring. --NeilN talk to me 01:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yup. I look forward to editing with you in the future. And looking on the history, a major editor to the article hasn't touched it in a while. Did something happen? -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Deadpool100: Yes, when a celebrity does or says something controversial their article usually experiences a wave of disruptive edits. Thank you for helping out on this one. --NeilN talk to me 00:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for your help. As you see, I'm pretty new. But I read up on policy and such before editing. And jeez, there has been a lot of vandalism on his page since this happened. -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:25, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Deadpool100: The Bieber thing is already mentioned in the article. If coverage is ongoing, and you think it warrants more space in the article, go for it, keeping in mind other editors might object to what they see as adding trivia. --NeilN talk to me 00:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, NY Daily News and Billboard as far as I've seen. But the Justin Bieber thing has been going on for three years. That, maybe? -- Deadpool100 (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
im from nepal and you I am trying to edit page systematically whats your problem and where are you from ??+ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahul Giree (talk • contribs)
- Hi Rahul Giree. As per the messages on your talk page (which you have deleted) you can't just add your own commentary to articles. Content must be written in an encyclopedic tone and be verifiable: "Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." That means providing references to reliable sources. Also, please don't use inappropriate or misleading edit summaries. [1], [2] --NeilN talk to me 03:36, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks NeilN for proving my mistakes sorry for previous things that I have done editing Wikipedia's articles sorry I waana know where are you from ? From today I will only add things in Wikipedia's tone and add things that are proven right sorry for mi.... (copied from [3])
- @Rahul Giree: We were all new here once and learning how to contribute to Wikipedia can sometimes be challenging (but rewarding!). Just read through the help links on your talk page and ask if you have any questions and you should be fine. As to where I'm from - some editors reveal details about themselves on their user pages but I don't. I prefer to keep my personal details private and I want other editors to judge my edits without having any preconceived notions about who I am. --NeilN talk to me 04:01, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks NeilN for proving my mistakes sorry for previous things that I have done editing Wikipedia's articles sorry I waana know where are you from ? From today I will only add things in Wikipedia's tone and add things that are proven right sorry for mi.... (copied from [3])
RE: Taoism Counter to Christianity
Dear Neil,
I am working off my tablet until I am to replace my computer and do more formal research to site credible sources. However, if you actually study the topic of Taoism, it is actually a pagan religion and needs to be correctly catagorized as such. Someone has been citing multiple books and its similiarities to christianity, and while there are some similiarities, Christians need to be FULLY aware that as a "folk" religion/philosophy, observations and reverence of nature, and most importantly many references to taoist magick (ie: sorcery, alchemy, and worship of local spirits) this creates a major conflict because as you know Christianity condemns magick of all religious forms as being "evil" and moreover, considers the worship of any spirit, diety, or god other than the Christian god as a sin.
Please read the main entry page for taoism as well. It also further emohasizes what I have said. I will contact those who submitted the similiarities to christianity and inform them of their inaccuracies. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idx730 (talk • contribs) 08:55, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Idx730. This makes it seem you are writing about your own analysis and conclusions. Along with our sourcing guideline you should be aware of our no original research policy. Even statements of opinion must be attributed. --NeilN talk to me 13:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Query
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bladesmulti
Seendgay's comment that he is administrator. How a sockpuppet became admnistrator?
Very much confused. Right now the account is blocked. Is it true that he was administrator?
This question has no relation to your administrator candidature!Cosmic Emperor 17:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- @CosmicEmperor: Seendgay was mistaken. Bladesmulti was never an admin. --NeilN talk to me 17:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Generation Z
Neither of us can prove that the source actually says this about Generation Z as follows "ABC Family uses the term "becomers" for its future target audience (Gen Z)."
So why is your edit more valid than mine?
Do you have access to Broadcasting and Cable?
2606:6000:610A:9000:1D0F:636F:39A:867D (talk) 22:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Please see WP:PAYWALL: "Do not reject sources just because they are hard or costly to access." You cannot reject a source just because you don't have online access to it. --NeilN talk to me 22:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Of course that makes sense about a paywall source. But I doubt the source says it that way. Also, it's an inferior fact -- I mean who really cares if ABC Family uses the term "becomers" for its future target audience" -- what does that even mean? In addition, the person who added the statement should rewrite it in a way that tells the audience what they are talking about and provide some context. 2606:6000:610A:9000:1D0F:636F:39A:867D (talk) 23:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- It's fine to challenge material because you don't think the source backs it up and ask the person who added the source to provide a quote. Or if you think the material doesn't belong in the article at all. Both are valid reasons but "this reference is behind a pay wall" is not. --NeilN talk to me 00:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Of course that makes sense about a paywall source. But I doubt the source says it that way. Also, it's an inferior fact -- I mean who really cares if ABC Family uses the term "becomers" for its future target audience" -- what does that even mean? In addition, the person who added the statement should rewrite it in a way that tells the audience what they are talking about and provide some context. 2606:6000:610A:9000:1D0F:636F:39A:867D (talk) 23:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
hi, you reverted my edits just because the qadiani hackers hacked the website of www.irshad.org and because of the you couldn't access the page I referenced from Mirza's book. For reference see this archived copy of the same book page here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamiri~enwiki (talk • contribs)
- @Kamiri~enwiki: I don't consider this anywhere close to a reliable or scholarly source. --NeilN talk to me 01:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Necromancy
Thanks for catching that. Somehow I managed to miss the talk page discussion. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 02:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Resubmitted Santorum edit
I have resubmitted the Santorum edit, with an additional citation which I hope will meet your standards for verifiability. Johnd39 (talk) 03:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Johnd39. I've removed the synthesis. We need a source that explicitly makes that connection. --NeilN talk to me 03:57, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Citation needed revert
Hi NielN, I see you have taken out a citation which I put in, on a page that specifically requests "citation needed". You have marked it as "good faith", which it was, so I don't understand why you are taking it out again? It's to a peer-reviewed journal article specifically on this topic. Why the change? Sorry this is a repeat message, I didn't add subject/headline last time. apiano (talk) 16:01, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Already explained here. --NeilN talk to me 16:03, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello NeilN, I have changed the internet troll edit, is that better?
- apiano, looks that way but you have another editor disputing your addition. Do you have any connection to Binns? --NeilN talk to me 16:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I know, I had half a day so have done several things at once, which I think is what he is annoyed about. I've left him messages asking him to suggest changes but he is hitting undo to everything. On the Ask.fm and Formspring pages in particular, I think the current entries have clearly been written by the new owners and I think the citations to peer-reviewed research (and there is very little on the subject) are valuable. I work in the same dept but she is in no way a client. Do you have a suggestion for conflict resolution?
- Ohnoitsjamie What do you think about apiano placing proposed edits on the talk pages of articles for other editors to review? --NeilN talk to me 16:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm OK with her proposing edits on the talk pages for others to consider, providing that she discloses her COI (either she is Binns or she is doing this on behalf of Binns) on any such talk page proposal. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- apiano, please read Wikipedia:Edit requests, specifically Wikipedia:Edit_requests#Making_requests on how to do this. If you have any questions, just ask. --NeilN talk to me 16:34, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm OK with her proposing edits on the talk pages for others to consider, providing that she discloses her COI (either she is Binns or she is doing this on behalf of Binns) on any such talk page proposal. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello NeilN, I think I have added a request edit to the talk page of Ask.fm, can you please take a look and tell me if this is helpful?
- Hi apiano. I've fixed your post. [4] Also, please remember to sign your posts. --NeilN talk to me 16:50, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
GreenEarth Cleaning
Hi,
On the GreenEarth Cleaning page,someone had put false information, some of which is just blatant lies, the rest is out dated, non conclusive research, which has since been proven wrong by the EPA, SEHSC, and Environment Canada. I made the appropriate edits to the page. Your editor Joesph2302 then reverted those edits, stating I did not give valid reason in my edit summary. I simply stated the information was not true. I then went back and made the edits again, and was more descriptive in my edit summary. He then accused me of creating an edit war. I then received a message from another editor saying my username was in violation. So I thought may that that may have been the issue all along. So I created a new account as ajnewport, I was using the the GreenEarth Cleaning username because I thought it would be good to be up front, apparently not. Regardless, can we get this resolved and get the false, irrelevant, & outdated information off of our page please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajnewport (talk • contribs) 18:09, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Ajnewport, you've triggered sockpuppetry, edit warring, and conflict of interest reports. The best advice I can give is to stop editing the article immediately and place a note on your talk page saying that you won't be making any more changes. Then use the article's talk page to discuss the changes you want to make. Note that simply claiming the info is false or outdated is not enough. You must provide reliable sources (not vague pointers to the EPA, SEHSC, and Environment Canada) to back up your assertions or say why the existing sources are flawed. I see one of our very experienced editors, Jytdog, has carefully gone through the article and has stubbed it, citing specific problems with sources. Hopefully this should allay your concerns. --NeilN talk to me 20:07, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
FYI: Rangeblocked
Have blocked 169.57.0.192/27 for 31 hours since they were primarily being used recently to troll your and User:Black Kite's page (and prior to that User:Liz's pages along with the False accusation of rape article), and the 32 IP block was held by a single company. Any admins watching your page are welcome to extend/modify the block as they see fit. Abecedare (talk) 05:32, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Abecedare: Thanks and FYI --NeilN talk to me 05:34, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
United Synagogue
Please can you clarify why the assertions I made on the US.org.uk wiki page are not allowed to stand with this source: http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/10/12/381997/israel-lobby-to-block-uk-palestine-vote/
which clearly points out that
"The Zionist pressure group "United Synagogue" has called on all its members to press their constituency representatives to reject the motion or make amendments to it
and that
"Meanwhile, Davis Lewin, the Deputy Director and Head of Policy and Research at the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), has hit out at planners of the recognition proposal, describing them as people who openly want to destroy Israel."
Why is this not a quote that is allowed to stand? Internetwikier (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
- Replied at ANI --NeilN talk to me 15:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
neilN
I wasn't vandalizing wikipedia Neil . Woody Paige was born in 1941 and he is a Snooker hall of fame voter (his cousin is a good snooker player) And yes Paige is friends with bob Saget and Michael Gross
I hate adding sources,it's so hard to find them and when you do,they don't work. And Paige was born out in unincorporated territory in Tennessee (rural tennessee) so it is like parts unknown — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edhor3332902309 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- If you don't add sources, then how can other editors trust what you've written? I mean, lots of people make the assertion "because I said so."--Mr Fink (talk) 05:05, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- No sources because it was vandalism. [5], [6] --NeilN talk to me 05:07, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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This is your 12th RfA question. 103.6.159.179 (talk) 15:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- I obviously won't be answering that question and have asked that page to be deleted. --NeilN talk to me 15:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Allow me...
...to be one of the first to congrat.... Wait, where is everybody? Am I the first one here? Darn it, I showed up too early. Well, let me leave this T-shirt and crystal decanter of Clorox Cleanup over here in the corner, I'll be back a bit later when the party has started. Zad68
18:20, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- I should have voted for you. One of the Opposes makes me so nauseous, I get "flummoxed" if I'm anywhere near him. Good Luck. . Buster Seven Talk 19:04, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Buster7: RFA's not closed yet and I think handing me the bit may break Wikipedia. First edit after I see Zad68's post I get:
- Wikimedia Foundation Error
- Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes.
- --NeilN talk to me 19:10, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- It seems as though you already have a fan. Welcome aboard. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Here's one more fan [7] - NQ (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Your request for adminship
Hi NeilN, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations for your clear pass and place on WP:RFX100. As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin school is most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Have fun and good luck with your adminship! Acalamari 20:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Nicely done NeilN!
Winner 42 Talk to me! 20:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congrats! ^-^ I know you will do well! - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:26, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congratulations. This is good news for the encyclopaedia. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good on you mate, I supported you. Well done and keep up the great work - EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 00:43, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Congrats!
I'm sure you will be getting plenty of these in the next few days, but I wanted to congratulate you for getting the mop - a very successful RfA, I'd say! I know you'll be a real asset to the administrator's group. Cheers! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congratulations NeilN. Enjoy your new mop!- MrX 20:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Im waiting for the T-shirt to be awarded =p - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:38, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- See two sections above. - NQ (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, always good to see =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- See two sections above. - NQ (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
So you going to go with {{administrator topicon|tan|cat=no}} (Wikipe-tan with mop) or {{Template:User wikipedia/Administrator}} (Wikiglobe)? Im talking about your admin userpage icon. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Haven't decided yet - still getting used to the new links/buttons. Let's look at the block log - whoops, there's now a "block" link where the "block log" link used to be... --NeilN talk to me 21:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- FWIW, I do like
{{administrator|tan}}
--IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- All right, then. Let's try that out on the talk page. --NeilN talk to me 21:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- FWIW, I do like
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Admin_T-shirt.svg/220px-Admin_T-shirt.svg.png)
- Congratulations - the community showed a lot of faith in you, and you obviously deserve it. Welcome aboard. But wait - where's the T-shirt? I see a link above, but hey! You're supposed to get a crappy T-shirt, not a crappy LINK to a T-shirt! Here it is. Wear it with pride, you earned it. --MelanieN (talk) 21:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Congratulations, Neil! I think this is overdue. I hope you enjoy your new range of activities as much as you enjoy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 21:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Well deserved. Congratulations. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- That was quite the RFA, congratulations. §FreeRangeFrogcroak
- Congratulations!!! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congrats! If you'll pardon the informality, good luck, man.
Epic Genius (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Belated congratulations!!!!! --Orange Mike | Talk 15:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congratulations.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:35, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, at last! Now I just have to figure out how to write a Edit-filter/IFTTT script so that any "can you look/protect/block?" request at my talk page is immediately duplicated onto Neil's. :) Abecedare (talk) 15:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Welcome to the club. Please ask me if you need any advice. I would have posted here earlier but I have been offline. Chillum 19:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Chillum. I have to admit, whenever I see an admin posting here I think, "oh heck, what did I do?". Haven't blocked Jimbo or deleted the Main Page so things seem to be going smoothly so far. --NeilN talk to me 19:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks everyone
Thanks to everyone who nudged me to run and thanks to everyone who participated in my RFA. I honestly wasn't expecting that level of support, given that I usually just keep my head down and try to fix what needs fixing or help where needed. I'll be starting off slowly and carefully with the admin tools so please don't expect any magical declines in the backlogs :-) Any advice from admins regarding their particular best practices or scripts/tools they use will be gratefully received. --NeilN talk to me 20:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Please make sure you don't accidentally block anyone.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:54, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- If anyone wants The Bbb23 Experience™ please let me know, and I'll block them for 60 seconds so they can feel the buuuuurn. never gonna live that one down §FreeRangeFrogcroak 21:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- especially for possible incompetence - NQ (talk) 20:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Bbb23, an admin would never make that mistake. Any "accidental" blocks are just put in place to give the blockee a new user interface experience. --NeilN talk to me 20:59, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Heh. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:18, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- I like that...so, we are giving vandals the opportunity to have a new user interface experience? Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Permanently, in some cases. --NeilN talk to me 21:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- I like that...so, we are giving vandals the opportunity to have a new user interface experience? Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- As the recipient of one of Bbb23's accidental blocks, I can confirm that it never happened. Alakzi (talk) 23:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congrats from me, Neil. You deserve the mop :). Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:26, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Is that a compliment or a curse? :-) --NeilN talk to me 21:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Nice work! ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 21:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Best of luck! Should you want to get started, RMs are one of the safer areas, and it's hard to get in trouble at WP:RFPP. If you want to close AfDs, use a script. Never go to ANI unless you have to, and always tell people to use DRN. EdJohnston (talk) 22:07, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Ed. Doing some work at RFPP now. Ironically, some of the reports resulted in users already being blocked hours ago so all I'm doing is updates - something I could have done without the tools. --NeilN talk to me 22:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- User:MusikAnimal/responseHelper and User:MusikAnimal/MoreMenu - NQ (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- @NQ: Oh those look helpful, thanks. I'll have to figure out if I want to switch to Vector or use User:Haza-w/Drop-down menus instead. --NeilN talk to me 22:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Vector offers more flexibility, but it's hard to say goodbye to monobook if you've been using it long enough. Tough choice. MusikAnimal has incorporated a lot of sysop specific tools into his version. - NQ (talk) 22:38, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- @NQ: Oh those look helpful, thanks. I'll have to figure out if I want to switch to Vector or use User:Haza-w/Drop-down menus instead. --NeilN talk to me 22:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- User:MusikAnimal/responseHelper and User:MusikAnimal/MoreMenu - NQ (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- @EdJohnston: just to clarify – are you saying "new" Admins should avoid ANI? Or all Admins should avoid ANI?!... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- @IJBall: You can sometimes get feedback on a possible admin action just by asking other people, before you start a new ANI. Or you can take the problem to a more specialized noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Congratulations. Flyer22 (talk) 22:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Congrats, officially! And I'm glad to see somebody opened and presented you with the T-shirt. The importance of wearing the T=shirt while performing ALL admin actions cannot be overstated. Best of luck, and just keep doing what you've been doing. Zad68
22:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Best wishes and congratulations - I know my !vote aroused some interesting opining from some, but it was made in the best of faith that you will be careful in AfD matters, as I have full confidence in your vandalism reverts -- Cheers. Collect (talk) 00:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Collect. And yes, if I close AFD's I will be very careful. I haven't seen any constant complaints about AFD backlogs so it's likely I'll be focusing elsewhere. --NeilN talk to me 00:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Good luck mate! Simon Irondome (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congrats for getting the mop! Just be sure you do not delete the main page or block Jimbo or ClueBot or do anything foolish enough to warrant yourself a lovely day in the stocks. Oh, and please please please please remember to lock your computer when you go AFK so nobody can come in and use your mop to deface Wikipedia. That would not be a pleasant experience. Anyway, congrats! --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 00:50, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well done! Congrats and good luck! Jianhui67 T★C 01:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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- Congratulations! You will do a great job.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 02:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, that was a bit of a nail-biter, wasn't it? ;-) . Hey don't forget the little people now that you are one of the suits. Remember: We knew you when .... Softlavender (talk) 02:13, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Don't think janitors wear suits :) --NeilN talk to me 02:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congrats! If I knew you were running I'd have
baked a cakevoted for you. I keep missing out on who's applied 'cos I'm usually being oppressed for being a disciplinarian (ping, ping, ping!). More than happy to accept a rap on the knuckles from you! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)- Well done, NeilN. And I know that you will do well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:48, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congratulations Neil :). –Davey2010Talk 19:43, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- You'll do fine, don't worry. Late to support and congratulate, but in both cases, it is very sincere. I'm sure you will find a niche and make a difference. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:25, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Dennis. Good to see your reasoned posts at ANI again. --NeilN talk to me 16:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Many congratulations and thanks for your support. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Congratulations not only passing your RfA but also for demonstrating that RfA is no longer the week of hell on wheels it used to be :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for running, congratulations, and thanks for your ongoing work to improve Wikipedia!
North America1000 10:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well I'm late to the party but already I can see you'll be a fine admin, and you've got the second best score this year so far. And yes, as Kudpung says and from my own personal experience last month, RfA is not like WP:Gorillas consuming gerbils anymore! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333 and Kudpung: Thank you. I purposefully did not look at RFAs preceding 2012 before choosing to run. I think the community behavior at RFA has changed and constantly looking back on the Wild West days just unnecessarily discourages people. --NeilN talk to me 14:25, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Could admins please use their spidey-senses and judgment on this IP
Could admins please use their spidey-senses and judgment on this IP, who has posted nothing but vandalism and disruptive nonsense: Special:Contributions/205.215.254.132. -- Softlavender (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Softlavender, not enough disruption or warnings to block. I've given them a {{uw-test3}} and will check back periodically. --NeilN talk to me 05:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
The Continuing Excavations of Leigh Daniel Avidan
Greetings --NeilN talk to me
I wish to discuss with you about a recent edit I've made to the page Qumran Caves. I believe there was a little misunderstanding between the two of us, thus leading to a rather uncomfortable situation. Wishing that no offence is taken by you, I would like to inform you that there was a slight research error on your side, the error being that the above mentioned Qumran Caves were actually dug by Leigh Daniel "Seven and 3 Quarters" Avidan among others. I also wish to inform you that I've found the ban threatening message you've sent me quite offensive and a bit rude due to the fact that your research into this topic wasn't accurate at all. I hereby wish that you apologize for the ban threat you've sent me, but if you don't want to I will find it appropriate for you to simply leave the text I, and many other companions of Leigh Daniel Avidan, have left on the Qumran Caves Wikipedia page. For what are my personal feelings in comparison to the truth. I thank you in advance,
Sincerely, Proja — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proja (talk • contribs) 14:14, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Proja: Please do not perpetrate hoaxes. [8] --NeilN talk to me 14:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Why all the activity on this page?
What is going on? ;) -Roxy the black and white dog™ (resonate) 15:09, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Roxy the dog: I got a crappy T-shirt and a rather sad looking mop. Also, a new range of opportunities for people to tell me I'm wrong. --NeilN talk to me 17:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. Are they all currying favour? Do you need some dungarees? -Roxy the black and white dog™ (resonate) 17:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Roxy the dog: I've already hit Jimbo's page: User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#RfA_is_broken --NeilN talk to me 17:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Looks like you have some IP's on your case, all the same person I am sure. I wouldn't take anything they say to heart, it sounds like a grudge of some sort. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Roxy the dog: I've already hit Jimbo's page: User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#RfA_is_broken --NeilN talk to me 17:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. Are they all currying favour? Do you need some dungarees? -Roxy the black and white dog™ (resonate) 17:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Political correctness
NeilN. i made edits to removes some examples that showed some bias and did not lend to the general understanding of "political correctness". the "right wing political correctness" section is pure BS, since the term seems to only be used by purveyors of liberal bias (as a google search shows the first page of results are mostly used in editorials and blogs). without any substantial confirmation by use, the term cannot be seen as relevant to the subject and should not be included. even the " Dixie Chicks political controversy" example does not in itself ever mention "political correctness" in any form. using a made up term as some sort of counterbalance, does not benefit to the readers and give them a better understanding of the subject. the entire section "right wing political correctness" uses an example (dixie chicks) that was about "patriotism" and not about political correctness and two sources (Krugman and Latham) who are both admitted leftists. overall, political correctness is not necessarily a liberal only concept and the entire article seems to have a "wing" bias to it, with unneeded uses of "left wing" and "right wing".
the other edit was eliminating the "false accusation" section that equates "christian" to conservative, and it is fact that most christians worldwide are not politically conservative, therefore, christian opposition to "violence (and sex, and depictions of homosexuality) on television" is not a "political correctness" issue and cannot be an example that validates the section. additionally, the "baa baa black sheep" example as "false accusations" refers to an article for support, yet that very article states "Just one problem: the reasons for the singing of words other than black is nothing to do with "political correctness".". even with the contradiction, the entire paragraph does not make any sense, eve after re reading it several time, i don't understand it. again, this section does nothing for the reader's understanding of the subject.
you just undid the edits, without even an attempt to understand why they were made...and i know this because you undid them within few minutes of my making them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthisfreedomandjustice (talk • contribs) 18:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Truthisfreedomandjustice: I did in fact look at your removals and saw your were removing sourced, attributed opinions. You then inserted your own point of view into the article. [9] Here you referred to European Christians but the example explicitly was about American Christians. You may have points, but these should be discussed on the article's talk page. --NeilN talk to me 18:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
as mentioned above, the "sourced" opinions were either not related to the subject or were poor sources...i'm sure i can find sources for alien invasions of earth. and nowhere did i add my opinion to the article. my point about the christians is that the statement equated christian with right wing, and that if false, no matter the nationality of the christians. again, opposition based on religious beliefs is not "POLITICAL correctness". as i mentioned above, political correctness is not an exclusively liberal concept, but morality is not a part of political correctness. in any case, these is no value to keeping these sections in the article, since you agree that i may have points...it makes more sense that questionable sections should be excluded until a discussion can support inclusion. inclusion of what is clearly biased material distracts from the purpose of the article Truthisfreedomandjustice (talk) 19:25, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- This is your definition. And I said you may have points, but these should be discussed on the article's talk page. This is so other interested editors can participate in the discussion if they so choose. --NeilN talk to me 19:31, 8 June 2015 (UTC) Truthisfreedomandjustice Forgot to ping. --NeilN talk to me 19:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Topicons
Congrats on becoming an admin. You might, however, want to remove the autopatrolled rollbacker and reviewer topicons from your userpage now, since they don't apply to you anymore. Everymorning talk 20:57, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Everymorning: You're right! Updated, thanks. --NeilN talk to me 21:05, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Tea house
That question has no answer. How long it remain answerless in tea house — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.176.4.215 (talk) 01:22, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- It will go unanswered until a volunteer who knows the answer, answers it. If no one answers it after a period of time, the question will be moved to an archive page. --NeilN talk to me 01:26, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Muhammad
Maybe you should remove the tags, I found the problem "Such edits are frequently a sign of corruption caused by the inappropriate use of WP:VisualEditor." from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Tags.
This is not a deliberate action of adding tags which I don't what it was before this. RussianDewey (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- RussianDewey, whatever you're doing isn't working. All you're adding are the tags (three times now). --NeilN talk to me 20:01, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
There was a miscommunication, I understand now, when I was on my watchlist, I clicked on diff to see what changed and it seemed like the whole of my edit work was deleted at least most of it, so after the third edit I was thinking of not using the virutal editor and do it manually and realized no text were being removed, so I understand my mistake now RussianDewey (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
109.149.202.215
Could you revdel his other contribs too please 109.149.202.215 (talk · contribs) Andy Dingley (talk) 20:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Andy Dingley, is that the right IP? --NeilN talk to me 20:49, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- It is now, thanks. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Andy Dingley, looks like it's already done. --NeilN talk to me 20:54, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- It is now, thanks. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
as involved admin, please do not freeze Meghan Trainor article to state achieved via Winkelvi's edit warring
Please allow an uninvolved admin to handle this. Thanks--BoboMeowCat (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- I am not involved. How do you figure that? --NeilN talk to me 00:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC) BoboMeowCat Retry ping --NeilN talk to me 00:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- NeilN, I seem to recall you being involved in an edit war, along with Winkelvi, on another Meghan Trainor article. When I have a chance, I will post the diffs regarding this (or retract this if I am mistaken). It also seems I recall past support from you for user:Winkelvi who appears to be edit warring disruptively here against talk page consensus, so it really seems better to let an uninvolved admin handle it.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 00:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- BoboMeowCat, please post diffs for this article. Just because I might edit Alabama does not mean I'm involved at Arkansas. These are my edits. Two corrections total to factual inaccuracies. Six hours full protection saves you all a trip to WP:3RRNB. --NeilN talk to me 00:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Found it, It was on Meghan Trainor discography where Winkelvi was edit warring against multiple users to change the opening sentence of lead. Content which had been in the article for months. At one point in the discussion, I inquired why you didn't simply ask Winkelvi to please stop edit warring against consensus: talk page discussion here: [10]. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 03:26, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- BoboMeowCat, I remember that. I got thanked by MaranoFan, one the editors usually arguing against Winkelvi, for that one edit. [11] --NeilN talk to me 03:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- I think you are mistaken, because at that point, MaranoFan had put herself on self enforced block, which multiple users attributed to wikihounding from Winkelvi, which led to an AN request to interaction ban Winkelvi. I'll see if I can find link to that discussion to confirm dates. (add link to WP:AN disussion: [12]) --BoboMeowCat (talk) 03:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Did you look at the diff? --NeilN talk to me 03:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- It appears to be a link to a barnstar from MaranoFan not a diff. Perhaps we are both remembering correctly though. I think perhaps Winkelvi was edit warring so long on that article that it spanned beyond Marano's departure. I also remember right before Marano's departure, she was accepting edits that seemed disruptive from Winkelvi, apparently in hopes of getting article stable enough for FA. I've had all the Trainor articles on watchlist since flurry of RfC's and ANI's a few months back and have witnessed an unusual amount of disruption. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 03:48, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I was aware of that AN discussion. Given the history between you three, did you not think the way things were going today, all of you wouldn't end up at some noticeboard? --NeilN talk to me 04:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- I reverted once and opened talk page discussion via BRD. I also don't recall having much history with Lips, beyond the fact that I believe we both voted in support of that proposed interaction ban. I honestly don't think the problems on Meghan Trainor articles are going to improve if editors who perhaps admire Winkelvi's good work elsewhere, don't acknowledge some problems. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- If you're assuming protection was somehow an endorsement of Winkelvi, it was not. It was simply the WP:WRONGVERSION. Protection was lifted over three hours ago, constructive comments about content have been made, and you're free to heed them or not. --NeilN talk to me 04:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- I reverted once and opened talk page discussion via BRD. I also don't recall having much history with Lips, beyond the fact that I believe we both voted in support of that proposed interaction ban. I honestly don't think the problems on Meghan Trainor articles are going to improve if editors who perhaps admire Winkelvi's good work elsewhere, don't acknowledge some problems. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Did you look at the diff? --NeilN talk to me 03:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- I think you are mistaken, because at that point, MaranoFan had put herself on self enforced block, which multiple users attributed to wikihounding from Winkelvi, which led to an AN request to interaction ban Winkelvi. I'll see if I can find link to that discussion to confirm dates. (add link to WP:AN disussion: [12]) --BoboMeowCat (talk) 03:39, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- BoboMeowCat, I remember that. I got thanked by MaranoFan, one the editors usually arguing against Winkelvi, for that one edit. [11] --NeilN talk to me 03:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Found it, It was on Meghan Trainor discography where Winkelvi was edit warring against multiple users to change the opening sentence of lead. Content which had been in the article for months. At one point in the discussion, I inquired why you didn't simply ask Winkelvi to please stop edit warring against consensus: talk page discussion here: [10]. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 03:26, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- BoboMeowCat, please post diffs for this article. Just because I might edit Alabama does not mean I'm involved at Arkansas. These are my edits. Two corrections total to factual inaccuracies. Six hours full protection saves you all a trip to WP:3RRNB. --NeilN talk to me 00:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- NeilN, I seem to recall you being involved in an edit war, along with Winkelvi, on another Meghan Trainor article. When I have a chance, I will post the diffs regarding this (or retract this if I am mistaken). It also seems I recall past support from you for user:Winkelvi who appears to be edit warring disruptively here against talk page consensus, so it really seems better to let an uninvolved admin handle it.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 00:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Latest gender identity matter at Chris Crocker article
If you and/or one or more of your talk page watchers don't mind keeping an eye on this matter (see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Gender identity matter at Chris Crocker article, with the WP:Permalink for it here), please do. Flyer22 (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Oh gosh. I had no idea Leave Britney Alone was anything more than a video of the day type thing. --NeilN talk to me 03:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- You forgot all about Crocker? Shame on you. Well, as you know, that video was huge. It sustained Crocker's fame for some time. And as the Wikipedia article shows, Crocker went on to do other things and presented in a way that a lot of society deems good-looking. But then again, a lot of people felt that Crocker was pretty at times when presenting as a woman. Anyway, for now, I am avoiding male pronouns for Crocker even though Crocker has yet to state that we should start using female pronouns and the name "Christine"; I keep MOS:Identity in mind, and would rather not having anyone telling me that I am misgendering and being otherwise transphobic. Flyer22 (talk) 03:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
belated congratulations
I'm late to offer my congratulations on your successful RFA, but here I am! Allow me to impart the words of wisdom I received from the puppy: |
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No Worries
I'm not overly concerned with this, Neil. The user was headed in the wrong direction and failing to listen to anyone. I regret it but I saw it coming. Tiderolls 17:10, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Greco-Turk Middle East Dispute
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Greco-Turk Middle East Dispute and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted in most arbitration pages please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.
Thanks,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Greco-Turk_Middle_East_Dispute
- Responded --NeilN talk to me 22:31, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Confusion on Red Meat article
I am sure you are confused. Because this article is so lacking I attempted to alleviate some confusion with an excerpt from the Beef article. I am sorry that this other article does not meet your quality standards, and would suggest looking at it and correcting it, as you thought my edit was so egregious that you interrupted a discussion i was trying to start about off topic discussion that seem to be deliberately influencing the readers. Some commentary about the confusion (deliberate by the pork lobby and not deliberate due to the other definitions of the term is needed in the article. I hope since you are so keen on removing a the addition (which i admit is a work in progress) you will find a way to replace it that meets your standards.144.188.128.3 (talk) 23:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi 144. I believe Macrakis reworked some of the useful text while keeping out the restored unsourced text. [13] --NeilN talk to me 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Ip socking
After you protected this page, faizan came back to edit with registered account. Can he be blamed for IP socking? Most SPI cases, check users say, no comments on IP. But this is not a good practice: If i log out and IP edit to pose as a different user and then log in. I disconnect my net connection and then reconnect, so that i get different IP address and then edit as a third user. --Cosmic Emperor 04:18, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- @CosmicEmperor:, I assume you're talking about Kashmir conflict. When you have a registered account mixed in with IP accounts SPI will evaluate if there's sockpuppetry involved based on behavioral evidence that you have to provide. It's not enough to say that an editor showed up after an article was semi-protected. My advice is to not make any socking accusations unless you are ready to open a SPI with rock solid evidence. --NeilN talk to me 04:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)