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- Saw a meme without revealing your age say something a younger person would never understand. This isnt bad, but the "video games only worked on channel 3" made me feel way older than this. nableezy - 00:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well, what can I say. Having grown up with and learned how to program on the Amstrad CPC464 I'm a sucker for the 8-bit microcomputer line-up! Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I dunno, I grew up poor in a rural area, so video games at channel 3 were still a thing for a while after the practice disappeared elsewhere... what do you mean, that was 15 years ago? LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 00:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I remember going to my grandmas apartment in Cairo as a kid and trying to adjust the color on her TV with the dials, not realizing that what I was doing was adjusting the frequency each of the buttons would tune the TV to when pressed. She had like one and a half working channels until we could get somebody to come fix it lol, was not a fun summer in Egypt
nableezy - 00:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Substitute Cairo for my grandparent's house in Balloo, County Down, and funnily enough I have the exact same story. Fixing it wasn't too bad, though I vaguely recall my granda being angry about not being able to watch the 6 O'clock news. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wild lol, mine was more concerned with the dubbed Bold and Beautiful that would play in primetime back there and then. nableezy - 14:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Substitute Cairo for my grandparent's house in Balloo, County Down, and funnily enough I have the exact same story. Fixing it wasn't too bad, though I vaguely recall my granda being angry about not being able to watch the 6 O'clock news. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I remember going to my grandmas apartment in Cairo as a kid and trying to adjust the color on her TV with the dials, not realizing that what I was doing was adjusting the frequency each of the buttons would tune the TV to when pressed. She had like one and a half working channels until we could get somebody to come fix it lol, was not a fun summer in Egypt
- Saw a meme without revealing your age say something a younger person would never understand. This isnt bad, but the "video games only worked on channel 3" made me feel way older than this. nableezy - 00:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Editors and BLP
"Sanger is both covered by BLP and NPA," Yes and no. He is covered by NPA, but not, as an editor, by BLP. I once was severely libeled (total falsehood) in my capacity as an editor by another major editor and was told that BLP did not apply to me. I tried to delete it as a violation of BLP and was repeatedly reverted. I couldn't get help from anyone. The libel is probably archived now. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well yes not as an editor, but when somebody says Larry Sanger is such and such that is talking about an identifiable living person who has a BLP in our encyclopedia, and if they are saying something negative about him it needs a source. No, calling him a troll on WP is not a BLP violation, but saying has struggled and failed for decades arguably is. nableezy - 19:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- His case is both interesting and troubling. As an enemy of Wikipedia, he occasionally drops by to troll us with the most uninformed, disinformed, amateurish, and innane comments that usually aren't taken seriously. His advocacy of fringe POV, such as defending Trump, casting doubt on the Mueller investigation and proven Russian interference, are forbidden WP:Advocacy, so he should be sanctioned for that, all done civilly. As an editor, he can be blocked or topic banned. It's just difficult to keep a straight face and remain totally civil when he pokes and trolls us. It's like dealing with a child who shows few signs of intelligence, but we must be patient...
-- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- His case is both interesting and troubling. As an enemy of Wikipedia, he occasionally drops by to troll us with the most uninformed, disinformed, amateurish, and innane comments that usually aren't taken seriously. His advocacy of fringe POV, such as defending Trump, casting doubt on the Mueller investigation and proven Russian interference, are forbidden WP:Advocacy, so he should be sanctioned for that, all done civilly. As an editor, he can be blocked or topic banned. It's just difficult to keep a straight face and remain totally civil when he pokes and trolls us. It's like dealing with a child who shows few signs of intelligence, but we must be patient...
Sources on the Holocaust's effect on Zionism and the founding of Israel
Sources that are about the Holocaust specifically say nothing or next to nothing about this aspect. Nevertheless, the GA reviewer suggested to add some content about this to the Holocaust article, but I'm struggling to find sources that would be good to cite. On the off chance that you know of any I'm asking here. Thanks in advance, (t · c) buidhe 04:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Id guess Nishidani or Zero0000 would have better recommendations, but Wistrich: Israel and the Holocaust Trauma would be a decent source for an avowedly Zionist view. But Zionism predates the Holocaust, Palestine had been honed in on as the place to establish that state before the Holocaust, and like Wistrich says the major impact on Zionism was that it wiped out a huge portion of what would have been the largest source of Jewish immigrants to the new state. I think I can find sources that say it added a new imperative to it, and that it largely muted what had been some quite active Jewish anti-Zionism as groups that had been opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, for whatever reason, dropped their opposition in the face of the destruction of European Jewry. nableezy - 12:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- This is constantly mentioned but en passant, perhaps also because it requires a counterfactual historiography (had the holocaust not taken place would the state of Israel have come into being?), which because it is speculative, is pointlessly unhistorical. That the holocaust was a critical factor, as opposed to a hypothetical sine qua non is, nonetheless, unchallengeable. Zionism is one of those curious things, an ideology void of a fixed ideology, consisting in an extremely pragmatic, flexible praxis, which grabs at any new idea which furthers its simple aim, and discards effortlessly notions hitherto functional when they have reached their use-by date, and this affects the ways scholars within its framing tradition approach the past. Even the holocaust was ignored until the 1980s, the premise being Zionism's 'incremental' momentum of statehood by the stealth of numbers growth (shem ha-meforash) rendered the culmination of statehood inevitable). I don't buy that: one factor always missing is that the war of 1948 was effectively decided by the massive devastation of Palestinian society and its powers of self-defense by the British Army in 1936-1939, a war which played an important role at the same time in the regularization of the Haganah along modern lines under British auspices (ignoring this allows the '48 war, particularly in the pushover destruction of Palestinian villages and the disappearance of 13,000 Palestinians, look more heroic than it was). An ideology as thin as Zionism, in any case, now has the holocaust to fill the void of its rhetoric. By 2005, Idith Zertal (Idith Zertal, Israel's Holocaust and the Politics of Nationhood, Cambridge University Press 2005 ISBN 978-0-521-85096-4) appeared at times to be virtually saying Israel's identity had become so inextricably interwoven with it that it is unimaginable otherwise. The Holocaust does now form the basso ostinato of justifications for the state of Israel, perhaps because that crime was, and remains so monstrous, that the collateral effects of 1948 (the nakba) will always look in the only opinion that counts, Western impressions, (not mine, if that need noting) trivial, petty, marginal whinging by the people who were dispossessed by it, and ironically, turned into metaphorical Jews, fellow 'Semites' who now must undergo what in Zionist myth, Jews underwent for 2,000 years, a diaspora of desperation and nostalgia.
- Specifically, however, you might profit from reading (if you haven't) Abraham J. Edelheit , 'The Holocaust and the Rise of Israel: A Reassessment Reassessed,' Jewish Political Studies Review, Vol. 12, No. 1/2 (Spring 2000), pp.97-112. Though I remain unconvinced, it is far better than Wistrich. Nishidani (talk) 14:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Edit
I hope that you have been keeping well. I noticed in the Dayr Aban article, under the section "Ottoman period," where the most-recent edit there should be emended to read as follows:
- In 1838, Deir Aban was noted as a Muslim village, located in the el-Arkub District, south west of Jerusalem.[1] (End Quote)
If you'll agree to the revised edit (improvements), I'll go ahead and made the edit.Davidbena (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC) Davidbena (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Think this is fine under your AN ban which exempted things not related to the modern conflict. Anything in that article from the start of the mandate is off limits though. nableezy - 03:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)