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Hello! Have you seen [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Re%27im_music_festival_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1185900937 this edit and it's comment] right before you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Re%27im_music_festival_massacre&diff=next&oldid=1185901250 have added the info again]? Could you please clarify why you have done it? Please also see [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/nov/17/stew-peters/no-this-video-doesnt-show-israeli-military-killing/ this] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57UQKWdZRco this]. Do you mind to remove what you have added? Thank you! With regards, [[User:Oleg Yunakov|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;">Oleg Y.</span>]] ([[User talk:Oleg Yunakov|talk]]) 18:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC) |
Hello! Have you seen [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Re%27im_music_festival_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=1185900937 this edit and it's comment] right before you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Re%27im_music_festival_massacre&diff=next&oldid=1185901250 have added the info again]? Could you please clarify why you have done it? Please also see [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/nov/17/stew-peters/no-this-video-doesnt-show-israeli-military-killing/ this] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57UQKWdZRco this]. Do you mind to remove what you have added? Thank you! With regards, [[User:Oleg Yunakov|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;">Oleg Y.</span>]] ([[User talk:Oleg Yunakov|talk]]) 18:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:yeah, no, Im not removing Haaretz reporting on Israeli investigations because PolitiFact discusses some other video that has nothing to do with what Haaretz reported. I dont know what NewsRu is, and based on my quick perusal of sources it doesnt come close to Haaretz in terms of reliability. Beyond that, Haaretz doesnt report this as an Israeli police investigation, but Israeli security services, which would include the Shin Bet and be outside of a police official's ability to respond to. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17">nableezy</span>]]''' - 19:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)</small> |
Revision as of 19:15, 19 November 2023
Deletion of content based on a reliable source
Can you show me where it was said that Arutz Sheva a garbage source? You also removed content from Maariv, which is one of the most-read newspapers in Israel and a reliable source. Why did you remove it? Eladkarmel (talk) 16:58, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Per BLP, this hearsay needs stronger sourcing. As far as Arutz Sheva, see here or here or for example the NYT describing it as "a news organization that represents the view of Israeli settlers in the West Bank". Im sure I can find more, but its reliable for the views of settlers and thats it. nableezy - 17:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Huh? Agree with you on the need for good sourcing for BLP. But bias is not indicative of reliability, as you've rightly argued many times elsewhere. Neither RSN reflects a consensus view that AS/INN or Maariv are unreliable. The NYT does not say AS only reliable for "the view of settlers." RS also say that Al-Jazeera represents the view of Qatar. But we wouldn't say that AJ is only good for the views of Qatar and that's it. Longhornsg (talk) 22:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Arutz Sheva has a long history of being a settler mouthpiece, and for any material related to Qatar I would not be using al Jazeera either. But see for example: such as the establishment of the radio station Arutz Sheva, which represents the settlers, Arutz Sheva, the settlers radio station or Arutz Sheva, a settler source. It is a garbage source, and there are countless other Israeli sources of much higher quality that we can, and do, use. nableezy - 22:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Popping back in, though I love talk page debates, as no arguments provided here resonate with me and sound like WP:DONTLIKE. Sure, Arutz Sheva is biased. But bias != unreliable, and excluding a source that is quoted extensively by other RS solely for its perceived biased (but that produces similar journalism as other RS in this area) would be a violation of NPOV, just as excluding Al-Jazeera Arabic or Al-Arabiya, etc, would be. And there's no consensus that AS is "garbage" (despite umpteen threads at RSP). Longhornsg (talk) 08:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Arutz Sheva isnt extensively quoted by anybody, so the rest of the comment does not follow. nableezy - 10:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- If Obama, a Muslim who is not known to have ever apostasized, is elected, then 'Israel is screwed'. That is just one of hundreds of articles one could link to to document the moronic, hysterical, extremist quality of its input.Nishidani (talk) 16:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not denying the site posts some looney-bin op-eds. So does the Guardian, Counterpunch, Washington Report, and a whole host of other outlets you would likely deem RM. Again, that has no bearing on its reliability for facts. Longhornsg (talk) 22:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Compare how Arutz Sheva covered the material under discussion here and how a more respectable outlet did: A7: The Palestinian activist and terrorist supporter Ahed Tamimi called for the murder of the settlers in Judea and Samaria. In a post she uploaded today (Tuesday) to her Instagram account, Tamimi wrote ... vs Haaretz: Palestinian activist Ahed Tamimi was arrested overnight into Monday by the Israeli army after allegedly threatening to kill Jewish settlers. Reuters: Israeli troops on Monday arrested a Palestinian activist, regarded in the occupied West Bank as a hero since she was a teenager, on suspicion of inciting violence, but her mother denied the claim and said it was based on a fake Instagram post. So we have A7 making a statement of fact that Tamimi did such a thing, before she was even charged, we have Haaretz saying she is alleged to have done these things, and we have Reuters saying she is alleged to have done this things and the allegation has been denied by her family. You think A7 is reliable for facts that Tamimi did these things that all the responsible outlets are saying she is merely alleged to have done, and more than that most of them include the denial? Where A7 simply says, without any substantiation whatsoever, that Tamimi is a. a terrorist supporter, and b. wrote in Hebrew a Nazi inspired threat, and c. that this is a fact so clear we shouldnt even include a denial? Well if you feel that way thats nice for you, I do not. And I will continue to remove bullshit sources like A7 where I see them, and I dont need a consensus that it is generally unreliable to do that. I dont need that consensus for Stormfront either. nableezy - 22:23, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not denying the site posts some looney-bin op-eds. So does the Guardian, Counterpunch, Washington Report, and a whole host of other outlets you would likely deem RM. Again, that has no bearing on its reliability for facts. Longhornsg (talk) 22:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- If Obama, a Muslim who is not known to have ever apostasized, is elected, then 'Israel is screwed'. That is just one of hundreds of articles one could link to to document the moronic, hysterical, extremist quality of its input.Nishidani (talk) 16:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Arutz Sheva isnt extensively quoted by anybody, so the rest of the comment does not follow. nableezy - 10:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Popping back in, though I love talk page debates, as no arguments provided here resonate with me and sound like WP:DONTLIKE. Sure, Arutz Sheva is biased. But bias != unreliable, and excluding a source that is quoted extensively by other RS solely for its perceived biased (but that produces similar journalism as other RS in this area) would be a violation of NPOV, just as excluding Al-Jazeera Arabic or Al-Arabiya, etc, would be. And there's no consensus that AS is "garbage" (despite umpteen threads at RSP). Longhornsg (talk) 08:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Arutz Sheva has a long history of being a settler mouthpiece, and for any material related to Qatar I would not be using al Jazeera either. But see for example: such as the establishment of the radio station Arutz Sheva, which represents the settlers, Arutz Sheva, the settlers radio station or Arutz Sheva, a settler source. It is a garbage source, and there are countless other Israeli sources of much higher quality that we can, and do, use. nableezy - 22:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Huh? Agree with you on the need for good sourcing for BLP. But bias is not indicative of reliability, as you've rightly argued many times elsewhere. Neither RSN reflects a consensus view that AS/INN or Maariv are unreliable. The NYT does not say AS only reliable for "the view of settlers." RS also say that Al-Jazeera represents the view of Qatar. But we wouldn't say that AJ is only good for the views of Qatar and that's it. Longhornsg (talk) 22:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- "Most read" ≠ good; The Sun/Daily Mail are the most read in the UK, and crap. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Arutz Sheva hosts a writer driven out of mainstream Italian newspapers because he plagiarized stuff. It hosted articles by people arguing for conspiracy theories about Obama. It is happy with ethnic cleansing. It cannot be used for facts, but, rarely, for settlers' opinions. That is obvious. We don't use The Electronic Intifada by consensus, and the same should go for a partisan rag of dubious worth, like Arutz Sheva on the other side of the line.Nishidani (talk) 22:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Saying Sorry!
I just saw your reply and I have to say sorry. I reverted to remove vandalism and made my way through all the edits that were made in between to manually reinstated as per RV. I reinstated your edits here [1] and here [2] but may have missed one.
Just wanted to say apologise and happy editing! Jo Jc JoTalk💬Edits📝 15:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Oh no worries, I didnt even notice. nableezy - 15:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Dovidroth
Hi there, I recently came across your post on Dovidroth's behavior in regards to their topic ban and for what it's worth, Dovidroth still engages in such behaviors (1, 2), particularly socks of AndresHerutJaim/Yaniv Horon. There are likely a few more discreet examples where Dovidroth would "repackage" their edits instead of outright re-reverting but I am unfortunately a bit too busy to sift through all their edits at the moment. John Yunshire (talk) 02:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
A barnstar for your efforts
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The Current Events Barnstar | |
For your efforts contributing to the page 2023 Israel–Hamas war. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 16:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
- Thank you very much very kind of you. nableezy - 03:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Addition of the info on helicopter
Hello! Have you seen this edit and it's comment right before you have added the info again? Could you please clarify why you have done it? Please also see this and this. Do you mind to remove what you have added? Thank you! With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- yeah, no, Im not removing Haaretz reporting on Israeli investigations because PolitiFact discusses some other video that has nothing to do with what Haaretz reported. I dont know what NewsRu is, and based on my quick perusal of sources it doesnt come close to Haaretz in terms of reliability. Beyond that, Haaretz doesnt report this as an Israeli police investigation, but Israeli security services, which would include the Shin Bet and be outside of a police official's ability to respond to. nableezy - 19:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)