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I saw you have been contributing to khalji dynasty page. The page have been vandalized. Can you restore it to your original edits. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.20.23 (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi again. I know you might be busy but there is a serious vandalism done in khalji dynasty page. It is known as turko afghan dynasty (as you edited it and put it on the opening too)
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- Mind explaining what page restriction of wikipedia policy I didn't follow? Mydust (talk) 17:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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"Indian Muslim"
You seem to have an obsession with adding an "Indian Muslim" qualifier to members of Muslim dynasties in India ([3][4][5][6], among many other examples). This is highly misleading, as it suggests Indian ethnicity (which, for an invader, is hard to claim), or Indian nationality by virtue of their establishing themselves in India or even being born in India (which, especially at the time, makes no sense in the absence of nationality laws, including Jus soli). This sounds more like a weird attempt to muddle history, and claim that these invaders were really Indian, or became Indian, or that them or their dynasties were "Indianized dynasties" (discussed here), which does not make more much sense than saying that India was "Islamicized" or "Turkified" by these invaders, beyond mentioning these phenomena as a facet of cultural hybridation. Lastly, your "Indian Muslim" label does not appear in your sources, which is really not acceptable. This can be viewed as disruptive behaviour and might inevitably lead to a block from Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:NOTHERE). @Sutyarashi, Noorullah21, Utcursch, and RegentsPark: पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 10:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
>>>>>These examples you @पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) mentioned were indeed Indians, ethnically speaking: ([7][8][9][10]), and all of their sources point towards it.-----Mydust (talk)
1) Ziauddin Barani: Satish Chandra: "14th century Indian historian, Ziauddin Barani", [11], V. D. Mahajan: native of Baran in the Doab[12], even his 'ancestral' history goes towards the Indian village of Kaithal: "The ancestors of this noted historian originally hailed from Kaithal . When the family shifted to Baran ( modern Bulandshahr in U.P. )"[13] Arbind Das: "Barani never called himself Turk for one intention that he wanted to be an Indian than anything else."[14]. Medieval India Quarterly:Volumes 1-5, Mohammad Habib:"His ignorance of the geography of Central Asia and Persia is surprising...in his modes of thought and feeling he is hundred per cent Indian."[15]
2)Ikhtisan-i-Dabir Dehlavi: Professor Ahmad Nazir says: "Akhsatan's birthplace was Delhi whereby he is called al-Dehlawi. He is also called al-Hindi, which indicates from India. The author speaks very highly of his birthplace delhi. The great metropolis is his place of origin whose earth is soul rearing...." If Ahmad Nazir says that he was from India, from where are you to use the vague words 'muslim' or somethinge else? Professor Ahmad Nazir reciprocates the use of the word al-Hindi, by using the word "Indian" to describe Ikhtisan, "Among the contemporaries of the Indian Akhsatan"[16] so it is completely unjustified for you to reject the use of the word "Indian" to describe him in the introduction, which is opposite to what Ikhtisan describe himself and the historians describe him, based on some false notions.
3)Madurai Sultans: The fact that all historians agree that Jalaluddin Ahsan Khan was a native of the village of Kaithal, and belonged to the clan of the Sayyids of Kaithal, is enough for the qualifier "Indian Muslim". "Kaithali" in the "Kaithali Sayyid" refers to a clan that's specific to India, just as the "Bilgrami Sayyids" are not considered Arabs but an Indian muslim community of Bilgram, as is the case for the 'Barha Sayyids', 'Amrohi Syeds', etc. Not to mention the name of Jalaluddin Ahsan Khan's successor as king was 'Alauddin Udauji Shah', which is a name of Hindu origin. In fact, Barani was himself a Sayyid of Kaithal(but born in Baran),[17], but "But his family must have been living in India for many generations and lost all contacts with foreign lands, long before these relations were severed by the Mongol invasions....in his modes of thought and feeling he is hundred per cent Indian.."[18]-Mohammad Habib. If Mohammad Habib's claim applies to Barani's family, who were Sayyids of Kaithal, then it would equally apply to Kaithali Sayyid family of Sayyid Hassan Kaithali/Jalaluddin Ahsan Shah of the Madurai Sultans. I am indeed highly justified in calling Sayyid Hassan Kaithali/Jalaluddin Ahsan Khan, an ethnic Indian. As there is no source directly using the words "Indian Muslim" though, I do not need to add that he was an 'Indian Muslim" per se, but it is needed to specificy his nisba(origin) that he was a "Kaithali", as he is referred to as "Sayyid Hasan Kaithali", or "Hasan Kaithali". Qanungo emphasizes his links to the town of Kaithal and its inhabitants: "Sultan ordered a general massacre of the Sayyids of Kaithal and all the Muslims on account of his spite against Hasan."[19] It would be better to indicate some kind of origin, such as "the madurai sultanate was founded by dynasty of kaithali origin", rather than simply "muslim" in the absence of any other origin
3)Bahmanids: Notwithstanding the first Bahmanid Sultan 'Hasan Gangu's descent, where Gangu is an Indian cognomen, see the descriptions of the founders of the kingdom in general:
Richard Eaton not only specifies the term "North Indian" settlers, or "North Indian immigrants" to describe the founders of the dynasty : "On the one hand, the court was obliged to patronize the descendants of those north Indian settlers who had migrated to the Deccan in the fourteenth century, and who, rebelling against Delhi, had launched the dynasty"[20], and not only reiterates those who had revolted against Delhi were: "North Indian immigrants who had settled in the Deccan from the 1320s" but specifies that they were characterized by their speech of "an early form of Hindavi called Dakani."[21] The historian Jamal Malik uses the words 'local' or 'North Indian Muslim' to describe the founders of the Bahmanid state: "change of capital to Daulatabad(1337) proved to be the most important vehicle by which North Indian Muslim ideas and institutions crossed the Narmada. The status of being a tributary to the Sultanate was deeply resented by the local Muslims, culminating in the revolt by Deccani nobles led by Ala al-Din Hasan Bahman Shah in 1347, eventually establishing an independent kingdom called the Bahmani kingdom."[22]
But more important than 'north indian', is the key word "Deccani". Even after the descendents of the North Indian settlers in the Bahmanid state adopted a south Indian 'Deccani' identity', as according to Roy Fischel, they "aimed to distinguish themselves from their North Indian ancestors and later from the Foreigners", he points out that nonetheless: "The attitudes of the Deccan Sultanates towards their neighbours reflect some of the sensitivities of the Deccanis within the local political system. More than any other group, the Deccanis were associated with the Deccan Sultanates...This framing enables us to locate the Deccanis within their environment as the most dominant group when it comes to determining the direction of the Sultanates."[23] Richard Eaton: "If the Deccanis manifested a colonial idea, namely a society composed of transplanted settler-founders and their descendants, the Westerners represented a cultural idea: a refined style of comportment, an eminent tradition of statescraft, a prestigious language". The Sultanate was defined by its founding by the Deccanis and their North Indian ancestors; therefore the term "Sunni Persianate" in the current introduction in the page is an incomplete definition of the Bahmanid Sultanate, because Persianate is not an ethnicity, but solely cultural. Fischel says that regarding the 'Persianate' element: "Their continous transient nature emphasises the weakness of their vertical connections to the political structure."[24] This is why Fischel emphasizes that the Deccanis i.e. the Deccani Muslims were the most associated with the political structure, and the 'most dominant group' when it comes to determining the direction of the Sultanates. Overton: "consequently more than other elites [Deccanis], the Foreigners were dependent on the conditions of the host courts themselves. Once a court lost stability, direct patronage, employment, and defense dwindled, the Foreigners left."[25] Threfore it is necessary to emphasize the Deccanis' as being the strongest in association with the identity of the political structure, while the 'Persianate' in contrast had weak connections to the political structure of the Sultanate. Therefore, instead of incomplete descriptions such as 'Persianate state' which could apply to almost everything from the Tipu Sultan to Ilkhanids, not only should it be designated an Indo-Muslim state as Richard Eaton does[26]. but ethnically it is more appropriate specify the word 'Deccani' when describing the Bahmanid kingdom, relating to the Deccani Muslim people, with a Persianate or Indo-Persian culture as Eaton says the Bahmanid court was obliged to patronise those descendents of 'North Indian' settlers who had "launched the dynasty". Yaaminey Mubayi: "The Deccanis...enabled the founding of the kingdom"[27]
To sum up for the rest of the points, I have cited my sources well. What I recognize is that Wikipedia editors, in the absence of evidence of a Muslim in India being ethnically foreign, would rather use vague buzzwords such as "Muslim", "Persianate", or even "Hindu convert", anything except the word "Indian Muslim", for which there is some kind of allergy apparently, as if there was no such thing as an Indian Muslim before the 21st century. I do not need to specify the word 'Indian Muslim' but their origin, specifically, 'kaithali', 'deccani', 'dehlawi', should indeed be emphasized instead of erasing all links to Indian Muslims in bad faith.-----Mydust (talk) 23:13, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Mydust
You are generally confusing ethnicity with place of birth or place of provenance. In History, we generally do not qualify people just by their place of birth: Timur, although born in Sogdia and hailing from Sogdia, was not Sogdian, his descendance, although born in Iran is not "Iranian". The rulers of the Yuan dynasty are Mongols, despite being born in China. From a methodological standpoint, your references with Google keyword searches are invalid: a good reference requires you to provide access to the page in question, or give an actual quote, so that the quote can be checked by other users. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 06:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
They don't merely name their place of origin, in the case of Barani, he is described explicitly as an Indian by Mohammad Habib, Arbind Das, and Satish Chandra, referring to his family. Same goes for Ikhtisan Dabir Dehlavi by Ahmad Nazar who describes him as an Indian, not a Turk or a Persian or an Arab, and same goes for the Bahmanids who are described as North Indians and Deccanis. And I have explicitly written down all the quotes on this talk page. If you're still complaining about your old point about 'place of birth isn't the same as ethnicity', then it seems you haven't read any of my sources where they describe in detail what their outlook was, and disingenously push a refuted point, and giving strawman arguments about Timur which have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Notice how you have cited 0 sources related to the topics being discussed and bring strawman arguments about other countries. I need to ask you why you are threatening to get me blocked, and who will agree to block me when I have shown all the quotes from the sources I cite. Mydust (talk) 17:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Hmm. Mydust, why do you need to add muslim specificity to various articles? In addition to the ones I've pointed out at Indian rebellion of 1857, I notice "North Indian Muslim soldier" at [28]. Isn't all this overly specific? --RegentsPark (comment) 06:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
I have not looked at your other edits, but your additions here are not relevant. There is a separate article on the Sayyid Brothers - them being Urdu-speaking Indian Muslims from Sadaat-e-Bara is not relevant to the article on Dost Mohammad Khan of Bhopal. It's like stating that Nehru was a Kashmiri Pandit in Sino-Indian War or specifying that Barack Obama is black in the Drone strikes in Pakistan. Just because a fact is sourced doesn't make it suitable for addition to any article. utcursch | talk 09:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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- Copland was not removed contrary to your false claims. Stop fabricating excuses to justify your edit warring and WP:DE. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 04:25, 31 March 2023 (UTC)