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:::::: No. I'm not an "almighty admin"; I'm a human being - and as I have continually treated you like one - even recommending that you be provided the chance to request an unblock, when the community thought otherwise. As such, I expected to be treated like a human being as well. Look, I don't follow your edits - I don't when and where you've created complaints, and even if I did, I'm under zero obligation to post there. I don't ''agree'' with all of your edits, and I don't take sides on disputes unless there's a good reason to do so. What I don't agree with most, however, is how you instantly attack people - even those of us who have TRIED to extend an olive branch, or show some degree of goodwill. That is unacceptable, and you continue to do it. You're claiming some form of admin abuse from someone ... but have neither provided links to any, or attempted to prove any. Every action taken against you has been done to protect the project from your anger. It's not those half-dozen admins who have fucked up, it's ''you''. I really hoped you would take some time away to re-think your approach to the other human beings on this project. I DO think you have things to add to this project, but we cannot accept the bullshit that comes with it. ([[User talk:Bwilkins|✉→]]<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">[[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]]</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|←✎]]) 12:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC) |
:::::: No. I'm not an "almighty admin"; I'm a human being - and as I have continually treated you like one - even recommending that you be provided the chance to request an unblock, when the community thought otherwise. As such, I expected to be treated like a human being as well. Look, I don't follow your edits - I don't when and where you've created complaints, and even if I did, I'm under zero obligation to post there. I don't ''agree'' with all of your edits, and I don't take sides on disputes unless there's a good reason to do so. What I don't agree with most, however, is how you instantly attack people - even those of us who have TRIED to extend an olive branch, or show some degree of goodwill. That is unacceptable, and you continue to do it. You're claiming some form of admin abuse from someone ... but have neither provided links to any, or attempted to prove any. Every action taken against you has been done to protect the project from your anger. It's not those half-dozen admins who have fucked up, it's ''you''. I really hoped you would take some time away to re-think your approach to the other human beings on this project. I DO think you have things to add to this project, but we cannot accept the bullshit that comes with it. ([[User talk:Bwilkins|✉→]]<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">[[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]]</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|←✎]]) 12:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC) |
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* {{nowiki}}*sigh*{{/nowiki}} Clearly this isn't helping anyone - not least yourself. I have turned off your talkpage again. You can email BASC without needing your talkpage. I'm very sorry that I tried to find a way out of this situation for you. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 13:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC) |
* {{nowiki}}*sigh*{{/nowiki}} Clearly this isn't helping anyone - not least yourself. I have turned off your talkpage again. You can email BASC without needing your talkpage. I'm very sorry that I tried to find a way out of this situation for you. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 13:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC) |
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shahid m malik is my page on wikipedia someone messed around and chagned many things on my page i want to correct it but dont know how to do it please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.240.244 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
- I know your wish is to improve the article but it's not your article. Read WP:OWN. I don't know much about the subject of the article so I can't be of much help to you. Sorry! Mr T(Talk?) 08:06, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think he means he is Shahid M. Malik. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 07:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Blocked
This is a violation of your topic ban. I have blocked you for 72 hours. Spartaz Humbug! 13:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- How? I didn't comment on any article. I proposed a topic ban on the ANI. I am already topic banned and now you want to stop me from proposing topic ban for the one who needs a ban more than me? Mr T(Talk?) 13:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Two wrongs don't make a right. You were clearly banned from anything to do with IP articles so this is a clear violation. Whether or not DS needs a topic ban is another matter that I haven't got time to research right now but I may come to it if I have time. Spartaz Humbug! 13:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't comment on any article on that edit. FWIW, I didn't know that commenting about editors active in an article
aboutabout a subject from which I am topic-banned is a block-worthy offence. I get it now, good job!
"I may come to it if I have time. " - no you've certainly got time to block me. Mr T(Talk?) 13:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)- This pattern of "block-first-talk-later" is it only applicable to me? Now people will pontificate on AGF. Now people will, after aaaaaaaaaaalllll this, harangue me on the merits of assuming goood-fuuuuuuucking faith. Good job. Mr T(Talk?) 13:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Baiting after baiting after baiting...Mockery after mockery....Just block me indefinitely because you fuckers won't stop until you eliminate me by abusing your little admin toys. Mr T<duo>(Talk?) 13:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- This pattern of "block-first-talk-later" is it only applicable to me? Now people will pontificate on AGF. Now people will, after aaaaaaaaaaalllll this, harangue me on the merits of assuming goood-fuuuuuuucking faith. Good job. Mr T(Talk?) 13:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't comment on any article on that edit. FWIW, I didn't know that commenting about editors active in an article
- Two wrongs don't make a right. You were clearly banned from anything to do with IP articles so this is a clear violation. Whether or not DS needs a topic ban is another matter that I haven't got time to research right now but I may come to it if I have time. Spartaz Humbug! 13:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
You know what just fuck it....<BLOCK ME INDEFINITELY> Just do it.. My Lord, just fucking do it. There is some demented shit going on. This is an orgy of idiocy. Mr T(Talk?) 13:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have turned off your talkpage to prevent you from doing yourself even more damage.Spartaz Humbug! 13:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
MrT ... I'm going to agree with Spartaz's removal of your talkpage access at the moment. You're pissed off, but you're not reacting well. Although we allow some venting, your comments were doing you more harm than good. I know this is a 3 day block, however, after a day passes you're welcome to e-mail me to request access to the talkpage back. You'll need to show me that any potential unblock requests will be more coherent and less attacking, but at least you can gain the right to try to request unblocking. I will, however, ignore any such e-mails until at last a day has passed. Cheers (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:52, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Please consult me before unblocking. This is effectively an arb enforcement block and I'm fed up with disruptive users being unblocked early. Spartaz Humbug! 17:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
MrT, asking for someone else to be topic banned is a violation because you're attempting to impact the articles that you're topic banned from. I don't think you should be topic banned from India Pakistan articles but the ban is there so you're better off abiding by it. The way you're going about it, the ban will only get lengthened and it'll be harder to overturn it. Better to wait a bit, work on other articles, and then ask for it to be lifted. (Meanwhile, I had a question for you but will wait till you get talk page access to ask it.) --regentspark (comment) 14:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
MrT, I tried to help you. Go back to the top of this page, read the advice, and start fresh. Dusti*poke* 15:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- After reviewing a disgusting screed e-mailed to me by MrT, I rescind my offer to assist by re-enabling talkpage access. Based on the content of that e-mail, and as I am aware now that MrT has sent similar e-mails to others, I should be extending this block to indefinite. I'll leave that in someone else's hands - however, should ArbComm wish to see the contents of the e-mail I received, I will provide it as evidence. So much for trying to help (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Please publish the email. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 07:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Doing that without the permission of MrT would violate the foundation's privacy policy. Spartaz Humbug! 07:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oh! Yogesh Khandke (talk) 08:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Doing that without the permission of MrT would violate the foundation's privacy policy. Spartaz Humbug! 07:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Please publish the email. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 07:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Blocked indefinitely
For misuse of the email system, I have extended your block to indefinite and removed your access to the email system. To be clear, the 3 days initial block is an artbitration enforcement block but this one is an ordinary adminstrative action. I am prepared consider turning on your email and talk page when you are calm enough to engage with other editors in a satisfactory manner and you will then be welcome to make an unblock request. Per the privacy policy, I am willing to forward the email you sent me to the arbitration committee or any functionary. Spartaz Humbug! 18:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know what Mr. T said in any e-mail, but I feel this sort of situation is not how the process should work. The underlying topic-ban was wrong, in my opinion, for a variety of reasons and everything since then is simply a consequence of that initial wrongful action. One thing I can say is that this whole confrontational "you done broke da rulz! you must be preventished!" response tends to rile people up and when a person is already riled up this can turn quite bad quite fast. You could have informed him that his comments at ANI were a violation as it is reasonable to suspect that he may not think his restriction applied to projectspace. Revoking his talk page access for pretty mild drama in response to your block gives the situation an Orwellian boot-to-face feel to it. People who feel they are being repeatedly stomped on can react in seemingly unpredictable ways.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 23:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I do tend to agree in the sense of a potential overkill here. The Ed has been a very useful member of the project and has contributed much, especially to technical articles and lists. I would advocate a topic ban of a short duration based on the issues that have got us here. At the least I would suggest the Ed is allowed to comment on talk page, to defuse this. I have had interactions with this Ed, and he is not totally unreasonable in my limited experience of occasional conflict on tech articles :) Can we not take this to an appropriate forum for a consensus based "judgement" that deals with the issues holistically, and not as knee-jerk sanctions, justifiable as they might have seemed at the moment? Obviously unaware of the email issue, but with the permission of the Ed, they should be made public. Many of us, me included, say utterly crap things when stressed, perceived as feeling vulnerable and temporarily alienated, especially from something one is close to. Irondome (talk) 23:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- I realise that it is traditional to blame admins without knowing the full facts but in this particular case I only acted after I became aware that MrT wasn't just sending messages to me. I do actually get that he is venting and very upset which is why I didn't act after getting either of my messages. Had this happened in the real world and in my workplace, I would have suspended the author on the spot and they would have been extremely lucky not to be dismissed. I have never received anything like this before from anyone! Spartaz Humbug! 02:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- I do tend to agree in the sense of a potential overkill here. The Ed has been a very useful member of the project and has contributed much, especially to technical articles and lists. I would advocate a topic ban of a short duration based on the issues that have got us here. At the least I would suggest the Ed is allowed to comment on talk page, to defuse this. I have had interactions with this Ed, and he is not totally unreasonable in my limited experience of occasional conflict on tech articles :) Can we not take this to an appropriate forum for a consensus based "judgement" that deals with the issues holistically, and not as knee-jerk sanctions, justifiable as they might have seemed at the moment? Obviously unaware of the email issue, but with the permission of the Ed, they should be made public. Many of us, me included, say utterly crap things when stressed, perceived as feeling vulnerable and temporarily alienated, especially from something one is close to. Irondome (talk) 23:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
- Spartaz has offered to provide ARBCOM with a copy of the email. It can therefore be assumed that it is of a nature that needs reporting. It does not need to be published for the Arbs to act upon it. I think the thing to do is wait and see. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:40, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. Time to chill for all would be wise. Irondome (talk) 00:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- We need to spell indefinately right. On a more serious note, Mr T seems to have scored a self goal. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 07:23, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes. Time to chill for all would be wise. Irondome (talk) 00:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Your WP:AE appeal is on hold
Hello Mrt3366. Please see the result of the appeal of your topic ban at WP:AE. Your appeal has been placed on hold since your indefinite block keeps you from participating in the discussion. The appeal can be reopened after you are once again able to edit. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I have reenabled your talk page
Hopefully you have calmed down by now and we need to see if we can find a way forward. My intention with the indef block was undetermined rather than forever and that's subject to your being calm enough to start moving forward. Spartaz Humbug! 07:17, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- I have no idea what I am expected to say. I certainly won't thank you for this. You've already done irreparable damage. I would obviously loath it if my AE appeal, my ultimate plea, is archived because of this utterly deleterious indefinite block which frankly seems to be the "worst wrong" on top of other "wrongs". I am a very predictable guy; I try my best to be consistent with my behaviour. My style of expression might have been changed but I feel the same way about this block as I did few days ago. Whatever is happening is really, really unhelpful to put it very very mildly.
If you don't wish to unblock me any time soon please, I beg of you, don't let me post on this talk because ultimately it's useless to speak to deaf ears. That's the highest level of politeness I can evince right now. I am not at all hopeful that this comment would have any effect on anyone. Mr T(Talk?) 08:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not expecting any gratitue and I don't expect grovelling either. What I want to do is find some way forward that would allow me to shorten your block. Whether or not you are happy with the block is immaterial. The issue is whether you can deal with it without the emotional outburts that made your original response so unacceptable? I'm feeling in something of a quandry because I'd like to get some second opinions, but I can't really do that without revealing your email and I'm not prepared to do that even if you agreed to it because the contents really don't reflect well on you. I'd like to see some acknowledgement that the way you responded was inappropriate and in particular some reflection on the contents of your email. The fundamental problem is whether you can change the way you react to disagreement enough to elimate the battleground and editwarring that has characterised so much of your recent behaviour on wiki. If that's not going to change then unblocking you is ultimately going to be a waste of your time and other editors' effort. I was planning to unlock your email once it was clear that you were in control but based on what you have said I'm going to leave the conversation here until we have made some progress. Spartaz Humbug! 09:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- "The fundamental problem is whether you can change the way you react to disagreement enough to eliminate the battleground and editwarring that has characterised so much of your recent behaviour on wiki." - I beg to differ, that is not the fundamental problem I am just a commoner with no real power, the fundamental problem is whether you admins can change the way you react to disagreements in a manner that is adequate to eliminate the obvious distrust inculcated in the hearts and minds of the editors who are victimized by your vindictive and autocratic mentality that has characterized so much of your (some of the admins I've encountered lately) recent behavior on wiki. Some overly harsh and immensely inconsiderate actions are what goaded me to lose my calm, I should not have lost my calm anyway but that's the crux of it. This sort of pathetic attempts to rationalize otherwise disgusting behavior depresses me. Mr T(Talk?) 11:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- {Oh and your AE will resume where it left off if we are able to reach agreement Spartaz Humbug! 09:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)}
- I'm not expecting any gratitue and I don't expect grovelling either. What I want to do is find some way forward that would allow me to shorten your block. Whether or not you are happy with the block is immaterial. The issue is whether you can deal with it without the emotional outburts that made your original response so unacceptable? I'm feeling in something of a quandry because I'd like to get some second opinions, but I can't really do that without revealing your email and I'm not prepared to do that even if you agreed to it because the contents really don't reflect well on you. I'd like to see some acknowledgement that the way you responded was inappropriate and in particular some reflection on the contents of your email. The fundamental problem is whether you can change the way you react to disagreement enough to elimate the battleground and editwarring that has characterised so much of your recent behaviour on wiki. If that's not going to change then unblocking you is ultimately going to be a waste of your time and other editors' effort. I was planning to unlock your email once it was clear that you were in control but based on what you have said I'm going to leave the conversation here until we have made some progress. Spartaz Humbug! 09:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- When I offered to start working towards your unblock, I had assumed that Bwilkins would be amenable to this based on his statement ahead that he would not block you for the email you sent him. It appears that this was an incorrect assumption [1]. On that basis, we seem to have no valid on-wiki way to move forward as I am not prepared to unblock you unilaterally and I am also unwilling to publicly publish the email you sent me to allow an on-wiki consensus to develop. On that basis, you have two options. You can contact UTRS or BASC where any request to be unblocked can be dealt with in accordance with the privacy policy. If you were interested in my opinion, I would suggest that you go directly to BASC as they can overrule admins and UTRS would still need a community discussion. I am genuinely sorry it has come to this but we wouldn't be here if you hadn't sent the emails. I wish you all the best for the future. Spartaz Humbug! 11:01, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- Facepalm [Despondent chuckle] I think you should block me out of this talk page again. That would be the best way forward. As it seems from Bwilkins' comments, his mind is already made up, his thinking doesn't seem to conform with WP:NOTPUNITIVE. But then again I never expected any better. I sent an email to Brad which may have been a tad opprobrious, but I should be indefinitely deprived of the right to edit the Wikipedia based on "the contents of the e-mail .. alone" even though Brad himself concedes that I'm "trying to do right". Wow! Typical case of megalomania, if you ask me. What right does he have to presume that this behaviour is a pattern that could not have been avoided or will not be rectified? Like I said, I am not in a position to want to do anything about it. Wikipedia is a perfect example of adminocracy and certainly I alone cannot do shit. I can only hope that I serve as an example of what direction this "experiment" of a project is headed. Mr T(Talk?) 11:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- When he is amenable you're not and now when you're amenable he is not. Why can't you just tell me what it actually is? You guys don't want to allow me to edit. You're offended by the emails and now you want to seek revenge. Well, good luck with that. Now you, in a typical pharisaical manner, excuse yourself of the terrible injudiciousness and lack of effort to correct it? Enjoy your adminhood. This is why I think comparisons are indispensable to the proof of admin-partiality. Mr T(Talk?) 11:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- Revenge? No. You were not venting, you were abusive. I'm a volunteer here - as are you. If you were a volunteer at the Boy Scouts and you pulled another volunteer into another room and swore at them, called them disgusting names, abused them, and verbally attacked them you would not be a volunteer there anymore. In fact, if you did that to me in person, I'd be laying charges against you - and I would win. Your actions were unwarranted, and you seem to think that they should be instantly forgiven ... even though you're not asking for forgiveness. On what planet do you believe such vitriol is appropriate? This project is an electronic workspace - the same rules for the real world apply here (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- "I'm a volunteer here - as are you." - but deep down there is a big difference between your capabilities and my capabilities, isn't it? You are an almighty Admin who has no clue what he is really supposed to do, OTOH I am just an angry helpless fool who couldn't hold it off any longer. I am an imbecile, not as cunning and adroit in sophistry as you guys are perhaps, I tell it as I see it. Thus, I am very susceptible to baiting. It's too late but I have come to realize that forthright assertions are discouraged both in articles and discussions (but we are supposed to accept it when somebody's pal does it... gets unblocked again and again). It doesn't really suit my style of articulation which, more often than not, redounds to my disadvantage.
"On what planet do you believe such vitriol is appropriate?" — on a virtual space where admins try to rationalize their own misconducts and imprudence. On a virtual space where people are robbed of their freedom of expressing what they think as iniquitous treatment. Need I go on?? This sort of double-standard needs to stop right now. Use your head. From my past experience with you, I don't expect you would understand my frustration. I have very little tolerance for idiotic statements or chicaneries.
So just end everything by blocking me out from this talk page again. Mr T(Talk?) 12:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)- No. I'm not an "almighty admin"; I'm a human being - and as I have continually treated you like one - even recommending that you be provided the chance to request an unblock, when the community thought otherwise. As such, I expected to be treated like a human being as well. Look, I don't follow your edits - I don't when and where you've created complaints, and even if I did, I'm under zero obligation to post there. I don't agree with all of your edits, and I don't take sides on disputes unless there's a good reason to do so. What I don't agree with most, however, is how you instantly attack people - even those of us who have TRIED to extend an olive branch, or show some degree of goodwill. That is unacceptable, and you continue to do it. You're claiming some form of admin abuse from someone ... but have neither provided links to any, or attempted to prove any. Every action taken against you has been done to protect the project from your anger. It's not those half-dozen admins who have fucked up, it's you. I really hoped you would take some time away to re-think your approach to the other human beings on this project. I DO think you have things to add to this project, but we cannot accept the bullshit that comes with it. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- "I'm a volunteer here - as are you." - but deep down there is a big difference between your capabilities and my capabilities, isn't it? You are an almighty Admin who has no clue what he is really supposed to do, OTOH I am just an angry helpless fool who couldn't hold it off any longer. I am an imbecile, not as cunning and adroit in sophistry as you guys are perhaps, I tell it as I see it. Thus, I am very susceptible to baiting. It's too late but I have come to realize that forthright assertions are discouraged both in articles and discussions (but we are supposed to accept it when somebody's pal does it... gets unblocked again and again). It doesn't really suit my style of articulation which, more often than not, redounds to my disadvantage.
- Revenge? No. You were not venting, you were abusive. I'm a volunteer here - as are you. If you were a volunteer at the Boy Scouts and you pulled another volunteer into another room and swore at them, called them disgusting names, abused them, and verbally attacked them you would not be a volunteer there anymore. In fact, if you did that to me in person, I'd be laying charges against you - and I would win. Your actions were unwarranted, and you seem to think that they should be instantly forgiven ... even though you're not asking for forgiveness. On what planet do you believe such vitriol is appropriate? This project is an electronic workspace - the same rules for the real world apply here (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- When he is amenable you're not and now when you're amenable he is not. Why can't you just tell me what it actually is? You guys don't want to allow me to edit. You're offended by the emails and now you want to seek revenge. Well, good luck with that. Now you, in a typical pharisaical manner, excuse yourself of the terrible injudiciousness and lack of effort to correct it? Enjoy your adminhood. This is why I think comparisons are indispensable to the proof of admin-partiality. Mr T(Talk?) 11:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- Facepalm [Despondent chuckle] I think you should block me out of this talk page again. That would be the best way forward. As it seems from Bwilkins' comments, his mind is already made up, his thinking doesn't seem to conform with WP:NOTPUNITIVE. But then again I never expected any better. I sent an email to Brad which may have been a tad opprobrious, but I should be indefinitely deprived of the right to edit the Wikipedia based on "the contents of the e-mail .. alone" even though Brad himself concedes that I'm "trying to do right". Wow! Typical case of megalomania, if you ask me. What right does he have to presume that this behaviour is a pattern that could not have been avoided or will not be rectified? Like I said, I am not in a position to want to do anything about it. Wikipedia is a perfect example of adminocracy and certainly I alone cannot do shit. I can only hope that I serve as an example of what direction this "experiment" of a project is headed. Mr T(Talk?) 11:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- {{subst:dtag|nowiki|}}*sigh*User talk:Mrt3366/nowiki Clearly this isn't helping anyone - not least yourself. I have turned off your talkpage again. You can email BASC without needing your talkpage. I'm very sorry that I tried to find a way out of this situation for you. Spartaz Humbug! 13:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
A bowl of strawberries for you!
Take these strawberries as a gift from one of our friends. I wish I could have helped you but I don't have as much brain to burn as needed to debate with the admins. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 13:28, 30 June 2013 (UTC) |