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Let me take an example here. Let us see the page of [[Autonomy Corporation]]. If what I have written is promotional, surely the Products section on this page is as promotional if not more. It is an endless discussion. My intention is to have a productive conversation. I have already removed a whole lot of actually useful information on how the technology works and accomplishes what it does, lest it might be considered as "promotional". I am prepared to do even more. Just point out your objections. |
Let me take an example here. Let us see the page of [[Autonomy Corporation]]. If what I have written is promotional, surely the Products section on this page is as promotional if not more. It is an endless discussion. My intention is to have a productive conversation. I have already removed a whole lot of actually useful information on how the technology works and accomplishes what it does, lest it might be considered as "promotional". I am prepared to do even more. Just point out your objections. |
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:See [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]]. If there is other advertising on Wikipedia, that means we should remove that advertising, not add more. I would also suggest that your read the guideline on [[WP:COI|conflicts of interest]]. - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie#top|talk]]) 16:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC) |
:See [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]]. If there is other advertising on Wikipedia, that means we should remove that advertising, not add more. I would also suggest that your read the guideline on [[WP:COI|conflicts of interest]]. - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie#top|talk]]) 16:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Virtual Globe
Mr Ollie, Can you please explain whats wrong with the statement I place in the Virtual Globe about 3rd Planet. If you have visited my web site, we do have tons of articles and the product and the launch date is real. What do you expect us to write about the company in WIKI. Or is it simply that only an outsider can contribute to WIKI and we can only put FACTS in when its launch. Or simply we need to rephase the wording? DO advise! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.116.141.152 (talk) 02:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
- You need to have sources that are independent of your company. Linking your website is improper, you should have a reference in a reputable newspaper or similar. Even then, it would be a very good idea if you proposed content on the talk page and left it for people who are not associated with your company to make any actual changes. - MrOllie (talk) 03:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks I just tried adding the references link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-rubin/travel-planning-goes-3d-3_b_888538.html from Huffington Post but the WIKI seems to revert to your edits. Can you help advise on how I can post them again. Do I need to create a new entry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.10.14 (talk) 20:58, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- That's someone's blog, and so does not qualify as a reliable source. I suggest you do not post it again, given your conflict of interest. If someone with a very strong journalistic reputation (like, say, CNN) writes about it, then you should suggest it on the talk page. - MrOllie (talk) 21:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
This is frustrating, Huffingtonpost is one of the most highly read site in USA. What about a non-for-profit organization like PATA.ORG, with 40 offices globally and a leader in the tourism industry. Do you think they are not reputable? http://www.pata.org/news/3rd-planet-introduces-3d-tourism-marketing-tool. I have seen more content coming from WIKI from less reliable source. If the policy is to have someone else put the post on WIKI, then I can begin to imagine how the process can be easily managed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.10.14 (talk) 02:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- The Huffington Post is widely read, sure. It also hosts people's personal blogs, and what you have linked looked to be one of those. No, Pata does not help, either. Your company is a member of that organization, so they are not an independent source. Look, your company just isn't notable yet. That's fine, it's just getting started. We don't have a deadline here, come back when you have started to get wider notice. - MrOllie (talk) 04:08, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Proxy List
Hi MrOllie,
I'm who recently modified the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_list
You said that old one was better but it was wrong when saying that a proxy list has only proxy IP addresses, it has ports too. I corrected that and added problems and uses. The problems was directly copied from the reference source that I put and then I explained a little more.
Please tell me if you have other reasons for removing my contribution to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.48.32.239 (talk • contribs)
- Your reference didn't actually cite the content, the mention of ports is more technical trivia than a needed correction, and, frankly, your grammar was not acceptable English. I'm afraid that your edit didn't represent an improvement to the article in my opinion. - MrOllie (talk) 19:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your fast response. I agree that my grammar could be not the best one. Can you tell me some example of something that I wrote with bad grammar and how should I wrote it right? Why you said that my reference didn't cite the content? The "problems" was explained in the reference site, I copied from there. Then I tried to explain a little more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.48.32.239 (talk) 19:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm waiting for your response. My reference do cite the content and my grammar could not be the best but neither not acceptable I think... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.48.32.239 (talk) 21:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Please consult the verifiability policy and how to identify reliable sources for more information. - MrOllie (talk) 19:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Your deletion of links to useful technical information has no merit.
And you can't hide behind wp:linkspam as an excuse. You leave all sorts of other links to white papers (that are useful) from other companies, yet you target Analog Devices exclusively. Are you working for Crystal Semi or some other competitor?
The fig leaf of wiki-lawyering does not cover up your obvious POV in deleting references that are relevant and practical that happen to come from a commercial source. Have you even bothered to look at the white paper that the link points to? 71.169.189.170 (talk) 20:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- If there are other inappropriate links, that would be a reason for you to remove those, not to add more inappropriate links. - MrOllie (talk) 20:09, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- There is nothing inappropriate about the link and if you were 1/2 of an electrical engineer, you would know that. You haven't answered a single question asked of you. You're just covering up your ignorance. 71.169.189.170 (talk) 20:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- So which is it? I work for Crystal Semi, or I'm not ' 1/2 of an electrical engineer'? - MrOllie (talk) 20:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- There is nothing inappropriate about the link and if you were 1/2 of an electrical engineer, you would know that. You haven't answered a single question asked of you. You're just covering up your ignorance. 71.169.189.170 (talk) 20:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
There is certainly a pattern of deleting appropriate links to technical information, judging by this page. Silverstarseven (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- It's not unusual for people to react strongly when their links are removed. I'm curious: what prompted you to break a 10 month absence to comment on this? - MrOllie (talk) 12:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- You are not an honest player, Ollie. this is appropriate technical information that is relevant to the content of the article. 70.109.188.195 (talk) 13:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Decision making software article
Hi MrOllie. As we have been chatting about at Talk:Decision_making_software, what should be done about the list of software at the decision making software article? Paulwizard (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- As I said on the talk page already, barring some evidence of notability (indiscriminate surveys don't really help) it seems best to leave them out. - MrOllie (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Are citations or reports of the respective software's use in refereed journal articles sufficient to establish notability? (As revealed, for example, via Google Scholar.)Paulwizard (talk) 03:45, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Possibly? It depends on if they are trivial mentions and how independent of the software the journal authors are. - MrOllie (talk) 04:04, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Naturally. So, how many non-trivial, independent journal articles that cite or report work done using the respective softwares are required to establish notability? Supposing that some of the softwares on the list that you removed pass this test, then would you like to see these articles (presumably a subset?) referenced in the Wikip article (decision making software) in order for the list (after deleting softwares that do not pass the test) to be reinstated? (It seems to me that such referencing risks cluttering the Wikip article - but your call.) Paulwizard (talk) 05:52, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Rather than talk in hypotheticals here, if you have independent sources, post them on Talk:Decision_making_software. - MrOllie (talk) 21:30, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Naturally. So, how many non-trivial, independent journal articles that cite or report work done using the respective softwares are required to establish notability? Supposing that some of the softwares on the list that you removed pass this test, then would you like to see these articles (presumably a subset?) referenced in the Wikip article (decision making software) in order for the list (after deleting softwares that do not pass the test) to be reinstated? (It seems to me that such referencing risks cluttering the Wikip article - but your call.) Paulwizard (talk) 05:52, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Possibly? It depends on if they are trivial mentions and how independent of the software the journal authors are. - MrOllie (talk) 04:04, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Are citations or reports of the respective software's use in refereed journal articles sufficient to establish notability? (As revealed, for example, via Google Scholar.)Paulwizard (talk) 03:45, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering about the PROD. I removed the tag for now, but please feel free to reinstate it if you still feel it's proper. As I'm sure you've read, IllusionMage is a scam selling free software for a price. I'm sure you also agree that the software in question, Blender is notable. I just came across a discussion on Facebook where someone asked what Illusionmage is and whether it's worth buying. I pointed them to the WP page (that's how I discovered it was PROD'ed).
My point is that some users may look up Illusionmage to check up what kind of software it is (as I do regularly with software I consider buying), and find the information given now. This probably leads them to not wasting any money on this scam, and so Wikipedia has fulfilled its mission to educate people (and make their lives a tiny bit better in the process.) Asav (talk) 13:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
- That's all well and good, but it has no third party reliable sources. If it doesn't get some, it will almost certainly be deleted sooner or later. - MrOllie (talk) 13:50, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Image at Frozen section procedure
Pathology Innovations created the image you have on this page. Why wouldn't you site it appropriately? Please look at pathologyinnovations.com and all of the educational content on there (that you are missing here) before removing more links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epeters1 (talk • contribs)
- That's not what the uploader of the image claimed. He said it was his own work and was published under CC-By-3.0, which means the attribution we already have on the image's description page is sufficient. If that user was actually uploading something in violation of your copyright, please email info-en-c@wikimedia.org explaining the situation and someone will help you get the image removed. - MrOllie (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
They have a picture of a cryostat with part of a Precision Cryoembedding System (the chuck), which is a product of Pathology Innovations - this will not make sense to anyone trying to learn about frozen section unless they are aware of Pathology Innovations' systems. I don't know why or how I have to convince you that Pathology Innovations is a thought leader in this field... If you let me, I could put a ton of valuable information on this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.20.173 (talk) 12:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- You don't have to convince me or anyone else of that. What you do have to do, though, is refrain from promoting your products and/or books on Wikipedia. It would be great if you added valuable information to the page. As a subject matter expert, it should be a simple matter for you to cite information to reliable sources which are independent of yourself and your company. - MrOllie (talk) 14:46, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
TURF Insight
Dear Mr Ollie,
This article is written to explain about the new paradigms in Information Retrieval, Natural Language Processing, Enterprise Search Technologies, Personalized Knowledge Discovery and Semantic Search that are introduced by Xurmo Labs through TURF Insight.
TURF Insight, more than a product, is an open platform on which thousands of developers are being encouraged to develop applications that are powered by the information retrieval APIs that TURF exposes.
Similar articles about other companies in the same space, with sometimes no notable presence at all, are being encouraged on wikipedia. Hence it would be a bias if this page is deleted.
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Mr Ollie,
It is quite easy to be unfair here. I do not think the objective is to be unfair. It is about equality and fairness in terms of representation of information. When it is quite clear that all major search providers have a place on wiki, with more than enough promotional content on their pages, it would be inherently unfair if the reader is not given the opportunity to know that there is another option as well. Let us not take an elitist approach here. That is not why we all have donated our hard earned dollars to the wikimedia foundation.
Let me take an example here. Let us see the page of Autonomy Corporation. If what I have written is promotional, surely the Products section on this page is as promotional if not more. It is an endless discussion. My intention is to have a productive conversation. I have already removed a whole lot of actually useful information on how the technology works and accomplishes what it does, lest it might be considered as "promotional". I am prepared to do even more. Just point out your objections.
But I am not prepared allow a firm to be excluded from a place where every one of its peers has one. I hope you understand. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeep999 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
- See WP:OTHERSTUFF. If there is other advertising on Wikipedia, that means we should remove that advertising, not add more. I would also suggest that your read the guideline on conflicts of interest. - MrOllie (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)