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Copyvio Notice for The Mysteries of Alfred Hedgehog.
Hi there,
As I looked at The Mysteries of Alfred Hedgehog page on Wikipedia, I understood that a copyvio notice is under the Synopsis. As I double check each page, I and someone rewrote it on the temp page without copyright infringement. Those this page doesn't need a Synopsis even though the information of the show is already up next to the title. The Characters and Episodes are understandable and info is intact. Once you reviewed it and feel that a Synopsis is no longer needed for The Mysteries of Alfred Hedgehog, go ahead and remove the Synopsis part and leave the rest intact without problems.
Thanks. Agentmike41 (talk) 15:18, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm requesting help from other Wikipedians who know what POV is and recognize the huge NPOV violations that WTM and Viriditas are currently building. Viriditas' rank NPA about me having personal problems and "Wikipedia is not therapy"......no indeed, it's not, and it's also not meant as a stump for people building POV content and seeking to exclude sources and editors in the course of building WP:POV forks; it's not me that needs therapy, or wiki-punishment/harrassment and yet another attempt to get me out of the way of WTM's POV empire-building.
WTM is complaining because I'm fixing the execrably bad English composition resulting from his admitted method of throwing up trivial tidbits without context, saying that once he learns more, he may discover the context; yet I provide that context, and with sources; only to find myself vilified.....the real reason being that the real issue for him is defending his POV agenda, while claiming it's not POV, and trying anything and everything to disallow sources and information that compete with his SYNTH constructions e.g. the Hongcouver section in all its POV/UNDUE glory. The sino-centeric bias and ongoing focus on how [all] white people were/are anti-Chinese IS, and it's highly offensive, and POLICY expressly says that POV content that is offensive should be removed/disallowed.Skookum1 (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have little hope of being treated fairly given the history of one-sided slags against me, including by yourself; whetehr DRV or ARBCOM or t he POV board, there is much amiss here that needs redress; and campaigning to block me for citing policy and demanding it be respected is so far off-base it's not funny. In fact, it's very serious, this violation of NPOV and all that has been done (to me) to try to prevent correcting the heavy bias and one-sided content agenda that remains ongoing.....now in a sandbox where all the POV and TRIVIA/SYNTH and very bad writing is being repeated and mollycoddled...while complaints are being made that I am working to correct the NPOV and bad facts and very bad writing on the CCinBC article, where WTM's erratic and a-contextual contributions often repeat themselves, and sentence construction is awkward and mal-formed, and redundant even within the same sentences, and content repeated.... to underscore/advance the SYNTH/POV that is the hallmark of WTM's agenda and attempt to strictly limit and restrict sources that put the lie to the ethno-ideological drivel that his contributions really are.Skookum1 (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In what dispute resolution forum is this currently being reviewed? --Moonriddengirl(talk) 18:54, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I approached this with an open mind. I was friendly with both parties and tried to give equal consideration to each side. After examining concerns from both editors I have reached a final conclusion. Skookum1 is engaging in WP:IDHT behavior that makes it impossible to communicate or collaborate with him. He does have moments of lucidity which always surprise me, as if there are two different people using his account (there aren't). Because he is unwilling to change his behavior, there is nothing more to discuss with him. Looking through the archives, there is long-term pattern of WP:DIVA and paranoid behavior, combined with uncontrolled personal attacks that he is unwilling to modify and that the community is also unwilling to address. In my investigation, I found WhisperToMe willing to engage, collaborate, and compromise in a civil manner. I would like to suggest that Skookum1 be given a final warning before receiving a long block. Viriditas (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And I would like to suggest that you are not an M.D. and point out that what you have said here is an outright personal attack, and it's you should be at ANI for any such comment. That you have begun this new line of response since refusing to acknowledge the primacy of the NPOV policy is not incidental; and that kind of conduct is described somewhere in NPOV, about making personal attacks or otherwise discrediting editors and/or sources so as to maintain a POV agenda. That you now are cultivating a WP:POV fork violation to the letter of that policy makes your posturing about blocking me all the more brutally ironic and ...hypocritical. Oh, is that an NPA? Should I apologize first, or should you?:
That neither you nor MRG have sufficient knowledge to address the NPOV matter or any interest in improving the quality and readability and neutrality of the article, and are only interested in finding self-justifications to block another editor who pointed out your own failings makes all this even more of a sick joke; NPOV is not any of your concern, you've made that clear....but you sure do seem to think you have both morality authority and psychiatric expertise as justification for your now-campaign to not deal with POV issues - but instead block, for a long time, the long-time editor experienced and knowledgeable in the field at hand (which you are not), to get him out of the way so that the POV-driven editor you are now mollycoddling and encouraging to perpetrate and expand his POV and his SYNTH ways without being "interfered with" by someone from the reality he's presuming to field a very biased mis-presentation of;
So, I respond to another NPA about my alleged ill-mental-health and get another one on top of it, then a call for a (long) block if I don't "take my pill" or whatever; and wind up spending a lot of energy on defending myself against unfairness...and didn't make another stab at making the article cogent and fair; or cleaning it up of it many repetitions and worse..... it's not like you or MRG or anyone at WMF is giong to work on it if you get me blocked; well, other than WTM who has always wanted it for himself, and himself only.....Skookum1 (talk) 14:51, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I commented on WTM's talkpage only because of Viriditas' "Nurse Ratchet NPA" about me; I've been "not looking" at the little confabs between them two of them about the POV fork project they have going and taking the time to clean up the disorderly mess that the article is in, plus get at other projects long in need of doing, when I do have time to be on here that is; so while WTM is now again trying to get me blocked (as he keeps on talking about - I do look now and then and see all this but resist commenting...until Viriditas made that very rank NPA against me), I've been applying myself to
improve content, and not just on that article alone; some larger projects I'd like to have started months ago (e.g. Cassiar Gold Rush, Salmon War, Great Smallpox of 1862) I never had time/energy/goodwill for because of all the harassment and other obstructionism
recruit new blood from "the real community" and not just on content relating to the CCinBC subject, so that BC history is not written by those who know nothing about it first-hand and/or have political agendas behind their contributions, which is clearly the case here; if you don't know what I mean by that, you don't know enough about current or historical Canadian politics to fully "get it", but that's no surprise, either....
enlist other BC and Canadian Wikipedians (or others who care about neutrality and non-biased content) to take on contributing to and monitoring their local histories and the province's general historical and geographical wiki-content; this is including outreach to specific historians and community museum curators I know (often personally).
browsing source after source (readily available online if you know where to look) for materials and for my own education too; but also to find the balance I know is out there to offset the very POV nature of WTM's erratic and in-cogent whiteboarding and POV/SYNTH...
stand up for NPOV and the principle that "the interests of the general readership should be put before those of specialists"
And what do you want to do about me. Talk about me, play amateur shrink-cum-executioner, refuse to acknowledge NPOV as important, and endorse WTM's desire to have me blocked.
Is this to "protect the encyclopedia", or punish those who don't like to see it turned into a POV soapbox where neutrality is unwelcome, and violators of that expressedly "non-neutrality policy" will be punished?
So either acknowledge that NPOV is just as important as WP:V, acknowledge that page-cite demands are not to be used as a weapons in a very obvious POV dispute, and recognize that I'm not the problem
- that problem is in your own preconceptions and a mix of gullibility, fake CIVILity masking actually very aggressive and obstructionist content, and recognize that all the bullshit thrown in my face and heart this last few months has prevented me from working at, as I have been lately, making the article useful and valid for the general readership and also making it so that scads of people won't be offended by the grossly POV tone and agenda of the manifesto that WTM constructed....so erratically and without cogency or readability...
....all while being hostile to anything that would balance out his harsh condemnation against "white" society that he is so interested in, even though he's not even a Chinese Canadian himself (Chinese Canadians often make comments about other Chinese coopting their history for political or personal gain, in fact) . It's all race politics, and is in no small way connected to China's growing political influence in Canada, and so it's political in Canada, ergo it's POV, and blocking me will only serve the person and agenda being pushed, and prevent my work on making the article in conformity with content policies from continuing.
Blocking me would serve only to perpetrate POV and to soothe the egos of those who like to hand our moral judgments on others, but can't take it themselves when it's pointed out that they are in violation of policy - as well as of the NPA guideline; and are calling for me to be tied to a post (ANI) where I can be subjected to yet more NPAs; and there will be - as before - people who come forward to support me and tell the rest of you to leave me alone, there'z nothing worth blocking me over;
Standing up for policy should not result in "he's crazy/out of control, block him" as a way to end debate on that policy.Skookum1 (talk) 16:16, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Skookum1, standing up for policy does not require that you attack other editors. I am not focused on the NPOV issue - that's an editorial question, and I have been engaged in this since I first stumbled upon it (on your request for copyright review) as an administrator. I am not able to mix these roles. You said you were "requesting help from other Wikipedians" - where? At what dispute resolution forum are you pursuing this issue? Consensus (reached through collegial engagement) is the way to resolve disputes. --Moonriddengirl(talk) 20:39, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, well "collegial engagement" would be all fine and dandy if there was any such effort to accept good faith about me and the issues/facts I regularly raise, and "consensus" weren't used to make personal attacks against me, whether "soft worded" or outright distorted condemnations and false allegations as has been the typical conduct of "that place" called ANI. And it seems that criticizing someone's bad-sourcing and POV activity/bias is construed as a "personal attack" but somehow actual personal denunciations like the many that are levelled against me (as above) are fine and dandy, too.
But if I were to make a "psychiatric NPA" in return such as "psychotic denial and deflection/projection" I'd be blocked/banned forthwith; but it's peachy-keen to attack me as a way to not discuss the issues I raise, and which, yes, get very frustrating when someone who is not interested at all in "collegial engagement" with another editor experienced on a topic where the complainer is a completely neophyte and spends huge amount of energy (and massive WoT board/talkpage posts which are vast in their size and number) seeking to discredit me or derail discussions with such blather - or keeps on trying to enlist support to get me blocked and out of his way over and over, just as he's never let go of his false premises and POV on wanting to talk about BC's Chinese history/society limited to Vancouver (without even having any idea of how the city is laid out or governed) and only focussing on a certain bias and being combative against anything that challenges that bias; which is now all over the internet on wiki-clone sites e.g. re his mistake from one of his "superior because scholarly" sources about a Peter Wong supposedly being the first mayor of Victoria. One of countless examples of "bad facts" from his preferred sources that were dumped en masse into the article even as he was mounting and encouraging a campaign to have me blocked.....
Editorial issues should always have priority over claims/allegations of behavioural-guideline violations, and lot of regular talkpage guidelines by him have been ignored, e.g. "butting in" by putting his replies ahead of my already-extant ones in reply to TheMightyquill (just one example); never mind false reporting of what board-comments have said in reply to his essays about his claims about guidelines; as with sources he cherrypicks guidelines and then conflates them.
That you didn't focus on the "editorial question" and engaged an ANI targeting me personally calls into question your own priorities - i.e. not caring about policy matters but making allegations based on a half-reading and apparent/alleged claims against me; i.e. putting so-called "behavioural guidelines" ahead of the neutrality policy, and ignoring that latter matter when condemning me in one-sided fashion for "combativeness" when that's been a largely one-way street from WTM's side from day one, as I've often said and never once been acknowledged by him or any of those condemning me for "talking too much" while at the same time having no problem at all with his much-longer rants against me, or his SYNTH/OR theories on talkpages, including the CCinBC one....
That you ignore HIS "bad behaviour" while escalating claims against me while ignoring the content-policy issue that has been the core of my problems with WTM is very questionable as far as your own agendas/priorities go. That you are WMF staff and don't care about "editorial questions" but view yourself as a behaviour-cop without any conscience about quality, neutral content for the encyclopedia itself raises a host of issues....
I'm going to continue working on content; and improving the encyclopedia, which is much in need of improving, quite frankly; my goodwill towards the Wikipedia "community" has been at a low ebb sinc the last round of ANIs against me, which similarly were fielded to stop me in my tracks when my success-rate at overturning a host of BOLD and somewhat POV moves by another "specialist scholar" wiki-academic-wannabe was getting a little too successful; and during one of those arbitrary blocks, the blocker went at the remaining RMs and "hostile closed" them.....contrary to the mounting consensus very evident in 80 or more similar/parallel RMs; that block, like its predecessor, also arbitrary, was NOT by consensus, and it was imposed as that admin had a grudge against me for pointing out her error about a certain CfD she had closed wrongly and stating outright she wasn't going to read all the relevant information about....invoking TLDR in her close, even though it' not supposed to be used about talkpages or board discussions and should only be invoked re articles (and is another reason why WTM's contributions need trimming for concision/composition as well as for POV issues).
Persistently POV-pushing and seeking to get blocked an NPOV-minded editor who criticizes and takes action against such POV-pushing is "bad behaviour" and a violation of guidelines as well as policy. Somehow this doesn't matter to you, and you continue to claim I'm the one doing personal attacks; when really I'm replying to them, or to very pointed AGF (such as telling me sternly to "only include material in published sources", as if I found what I know on the sidewalk or in a sewer somewhere) or lecturing me on the proper handling of copyrighted materials, as if I were his student and he was my TA.....
The out-of-kilter topsy-turvy world of the adminship I had early exposure to (I'll comment soon on the history of my blocks, starting with teh initial one by User:Zoe who didn't even read what I said right and blamed me for "legal threats" when it was me mentioning that i had been personally threatened with real, physical violence over a certain issue re a non-wikipedia matter; her withdrawal of her block states that I had "withdrawn" my comment; that's not what i told her AT ALL. I've seen things only get worse over time, and I dont' mean just about me....less and less "collegial" discussion about content is being deluged with aggressive personal attacks masquerading as the voice of wiki-authority, and the content issues continue to mount (as well as the paid editing and organized campaigns that are clearly behind so many problems).
I really think you and other staffers at WMF need to talk around the watercooler more about POV problems, recruiting good writers and keeping knowledgeable contributors around...instead of discussing ways to condemn and drive people out......"if you don't know anything about the subject of a discussion, please stay out of the discussion" is something you all need to put one sticker-tape on the top of your monitors, quite frankly. And if you are going to comment on a "combative" problem it behooves you to study up on the subject and its issues before wading in to condemn only one side of an argument, while not understanding what t he argument is about.Skookum1 (talk) 07:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Re "You said you were "requesting help from other Wikipedians" - where? At what dispute resolution forum are you pursuing this issue?"
Did I say that I was requesting help at a dispute resolution forum? No, from what I've seen of "dispute resolution" it's not very productive no more than ANI isn't. I've pondered "since day one" about taking the matter to the POV board but found myself too busy trying to deal with attack-comments/derailments/obstructionism, then trumped-up ANIs which served no purpose at all, to take the time to do so; it's no secret I'm not good at "talking in point form" because I insist on articulating details of a problem instead of making "pat" summaries that do not cover all the full scope of a problem; I've seen so much bad logic and a-factual rejoinders at RM and CfD discussions, and always at ANI, that I 'do not like procedure' and view t he procedural manoeuvring launched against me by WTM (which you have ignored, or just are not aware of, as you "came to the party late".
There's any number of things that could use informed discussion and rational lines of argument that I defer from taking to any board, never mind DRV procedures, because "bureaucratic warfare" is the general tendency of such milieus and indeed that's the purpose; to keep issues from being addressed logically and cogently by people who know the subject matter - or are prepared to learn about it and think. I've contemplated ARBCOM proceedings against a number of people, including the blocking admins referred to above, and also re the Ottawa shootings article and the nasty behaviour of a certain k-named editor who I'm not allowed to talk about (or will be summarily blocked) who obstructed and edit warred over all those RMs and also re WP:NCET and WP:NCL. Why should I have faith in a "dispute resolution process" that does not resolve such disputes, but only wind up being a sea of personal attacks, and when valid criticisms are trumped up as if "personal attacks" while personal attacks are me are not just condoned, but regularly made by admins and "board lurkers"?
As for where I discuss these problems with other Wikipedians, sometimes it's on given article talkpages, or with short notes linking discussions for their attention. But given the long period of my life (almost 10 years now) I've been involved on Wikipedia, with some I have off-line friendships with; most BC editors of times past have moved on, a good half dozen or more I retain regular contact with; others from WPCanada or beyond I have email contact with when not FB...... as I regularly get attacked on Wikipedia I find it necessary to speak privately with them, which is impossible in Wikipedia.
Those I contact about wiki matters are among those who have barnstarred me or otherwise shown support when the rest of the pack is hounding for my blood; can you blame me? And they do recognize the value of both my contributions and my knowledge of sources and about certain topics and have no problem with my not-point-form writing style (I come from an age before Cole's Notes and 15-second soundbites), and who regularly come forward to debunk claims and hostility against me in the various block-campaigns that have been launched; and I've had a good long look at pages such as WP:EXR and its talkpage and similar discussions/essay talkpages that are rife withg complaints about unwonted attack behaviour by those presuming to CIVILity, or making one-side statements like finding someone to be collaborative when I've found, as in this case, and very much so, the exact opposite.
And what I see in those discussions and boards and so on, very consistenty, is frustration with those who, like yourself, base their harassment of people trying to address content issues by raising/inflaming "behavioural guidelines" as if their own behaviour was lily-white.
This has taken up an hour of a now-busy life, and like last night is yet more energy put towards defending myself from a bureaucracy that shows no interest at all in taking on major and mounting POV and OR/SYNTH issues; and which revels in levelling personal attacks with impunity without any concern for or knowledge of the subjects under dispute. Witch-hunting and kangaroo court/star-chamber activity rather than informed "collegial discussion" are becoming the norm in Wikipedia, as are needless code-conflation and guideline-instruction creep; "Wiki" no longer means "quick and easy", it means more and more "labourious and painful".
As for those other BC Wikipedians, a good number of them are now published authors in their own rights; I stuck around because so much was damaged (vandalized) in my absence from June 2011 through to the fall of 2013 that had to be corrected; it's been painful, to say the last, but somebody had to do it since the bureaucracy is not equipped knowledge-wise or in terms of its priorities to monitor such vandalism/damage and anti-consensus moves - such as that "sea of RMs" that got so many people mad at me for ....for successfully overturning, by consensus, things that had been done single-mindedly and against guidelines and policy in my absence; which was prompted by a block levelled at me during the Canadian election campaign for having the temerity to stand up for fairness (and Canadian election laws) in an AfD where the participants were admittedly POV and "out to get me", as has also been the case with the Ottawa shootings and Mount Polley mine incident article.
So if you want editors in Wikipedia who do know the material and do have respect for NPOV, I suggest you re-order your priorities and put content propriety ahead of personal condemnations of those trying to deal with those who do NOT respect neutrality, or the input of informed, experienced editors in topic areas where they should be respected, not hounded and vilified.
I see a huge discussion about the gender gap and how male editors are allegedly more "aggressive" than female editors...... I have a rather different experience of female editors, to be frank, and as an almost-senior editor (I turn 60 at the end of October this year) I strongly feel there is a "generation gap" and that has to do with pushback from younger editors who show no respect for 'older people's' knowledge, as in this case, or who weigh in on political AfDs/RMs without sufficient experience of the political milieus involved to be able to know what's up; i.e. who don't have a clue.Skookum1 (talk) 08:14, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Skookum1, I came into this as an administrator because you asked for somebody to review copyright problems. You've been around long enough that surely you know that policy forbids people who engage in an issue as an administrator from engaging as an editor as well. I'm not going to mix those roles, as I take that responsibility and requirement seriously. I also will not mix my role as staff with my role as a volunteer. There are plenty of editors on Wikipedia who will resolve disputes if you will engage with them collegially, and there are other areas where I work content where I will not engage as an administrator. Here, my role is clear. While you indicate above that you think I am looking for reasons to block you, in fact you have given me ample reason. I prefer not to block people, which is why I sought other options at ANI and withdrew from that conversation when the discussion was shifted in that direction. But I will block if I think I must.
That said content is critical, but not the only consideration on Wikipedia. We have a larger goal than getting a good article on a single subject, as important as that is - we're here to create a sustainable, growing project, for which we need willing workers, and disruptive behaviors and a toxic environment threaten that larger goal. Whatever provocation you may have encountered, your behavior has been demonstrably a problem. It is concerning that you do not recognize how you are contributing to this.
Wikipedia was founded with the philosophy that anyone and everyone can contribute. We do not privilege "subject expert" editors - the project we superseded, Nupedia, did that. There are other projects that still do, like Scholarpedia. I know that it can be frustrating to work in an area you know well and have a newcomer show up who seems to have an agenda or is generally clueless, but it's part of the lifecycle of Wikipedia. To contribute to Wikipedia, you must work collegially with everyone who shows up. If you're having problems with article content, it is required that you resolve them through discussion with other editors. This needs to be done neutrally and transparently using on-Wikipedia processes, as per Wikipedia:Canvassing. Reaching out to other editors through e-mail is inappropriate. Editors who legitimately don't have a clue can be mentored until they do, or, if they are disruptive, consensus needs to be developed that what they are doing needs to stop, at which point the community will join in on handling them.
I don't have time to read all of the above right now as I'm about to go out, but from your opening I came into this as an administrator because you asked for somebody to review copyright problems" - I'd asked that the massive amounts of info-dumping that were going on (and still continue albeit in sandbox) looked suspiciously like pastiches of copyrighted material; what he does, actually, is often just make one word in quotes and page-cites that one word; that his whole gist is cribbed from a certain body of "racialized" literature (at the expense and to the exclusion of anything that does not meet his approval) is guideline-wise "OK" and I often rephrase or condense what certain sources say myself (e.g. the entries in BCGNIS, or what used to be called that; it's not the BC Names Office of GeoBC); , but his reliance and echoing of the biases in his preferred sources, and his campaign to discredit me got harsher and more prolix than even I have EVER been. He repeatedly rejected and AGFd and sought to guideline-flail sources he should read that I fielded and issues/events he should have spent some time investigating instead of being a parrot for the hate-mongering racialized content of "scholarly" sources and ethno-political diatribes, in all their over-published glory, replete with many easily disprovable FACTS.
That you didn't find any COPYVIOs is fine, that was a side-issue relative to the POV problems you and others continue to ignore and deflect.....but that you ignored my points about POV then and now and wrap yourself in your cloak of admin-ly inviolability on content matters, but turned your guns on me personally without realizing/recognizing that amount of AGF/NPA and obstructive behaviour that was coming at me and about me in DELUGES remains a bone of contention for me about you. Once COPYVIO worries were set aside, that should have ended your involvement.
Instead you threw a one-woman grenade at me and invited others to catcall and berate me without cause related to the dispute about CONTENT and you didn'ty say "boo" about false claims levelled against me in the ANI you launched, which seriously derailed any energy and remaining goodwill for working on improving the mass of POV junk that continued to be built while the campaign to rid me of Wikipedia fovever was mounted....with my posts on ANI fiddled with by somebody who had an ANI against himself open at the same time, and who had no connection with the topic of the dispute; just rank hatred for having shown his POVness and exposed his bias and suspect edit-comment behaviour and more.
So what I read about policy was that NPOV, COPYVIO and VERIFIABILITY were all "non negotiable"...... so if COPYVIO was your purview, whose is NPOV? Or are you only seeing yourself as a "behaviour controller" separate completely from editorial control?
That one policy could be put before any of the others, and that behavioural guidelines could be conflated and one-side-targeted so wantonly is not in anything I've read about policy. And he has been around long enough (since 2007 I think) to know what WP:NPOV and WP:POV fork have to say; and yet he stated outright a rejoinder to the POV fork policy that indicates he either doesn't comprehend it or never read it; and he doesn't understand (or claims not to) what "POV" is, or NPOV either.
I'm going to go out and have a good time with real people and put this out of my mind for the evening; I would have spent today on various article improvements and starts/fixes (interestingly, given the disabusing of capital-W "Whites" and Wikipedia's endemic passion for ethnic breakdowns, British Canadian is a primary-topic dab page long - long - in need of doing.
But tell me this - if you aren't a WMFer able to or equipped to take on NPOV violations, who is. And how many WMF staffers are engaged in content NPOV and quality/literacy/cogency control, and how many (by comparison) spend most of their time on "behavioural guidelines" and/or writing/commenting on same. Is there anyone at WMF's little paid-admin bubble who is a content controller, to coin a term? Or has it just come down to patrolling the community and not giving a fig about the resulting content being politicized and OR'd? Given the continued existence of overt Original Research opuses like Quadripoint and Four corners (Canada) it seems not.
Whatever else you've said above I have no more time to today; spinning off your last line, though, it is open to you to reconsider your role in perpetrating POV by going after the editor whose cause has been NPOV and fair content all along, since long before you weighed in and painted a "hit me" target on his forehead with your ANI. It is open to you to consider the damage to the public record that your standoffishness from editorial matters because of your "rules" ('there are no rules' remember?) by allowing POV to stand untouched, while you support and launch campaigns and comments to indict a long-time editor who is equipped and dedicated to fairness and encylopedically-valid content.
Fine, you've put yourself in some kind of official bubble about keeping behavioural stuff separate from editorial/content problems....... how nice. But why is it that others who similarly have the same capacity as you have weighed in on editorial matters, rather regularly too?
Is there no one at WMF who actually writes content or do you all spend your time patrplling and condemning and admonishing people who DO?Skookum1 (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to me that there's more guidelines and arguments about them being created that actual meaningful content, and/or code-fiddling and format-tweaking, and arguments about those than actual writing of an encyclopedia. And lots of non-encyclopedic content e.g. pop culture not just being covered in rather excessive detail while actual history and geography and more is left to the wayside; what's going on is the writing and policing of guidelines and not of CONTENT.
More's the pity, and I regret not sharing the common sense path of avoiding wasting time trying to improve and expand Wikipedia isntead of writing my own books and articles, as several other BC Wikipedians have done, all of them commenting to me privately that they couldnt' stand the place anymore because of the obsession with guidelines and the lack of rational discussion/behaviour. I've stuck it out because of massively vandalized content, and after doing that set about working on various history and geography articles; this last time I came back was to deal with the body of Pacific Northwest history articles in collaboration with another editor who begged me to come back (as often happens when I leave). To be confronted by someone disputing normal Canadian English usages in favour of his own interpretations of what we should use - who also starts on a massive campaign involving several articles (mostly he created small stubbish ones to validate his ethnicity-by-city campaign about Vancouver, as there were no other ethnicity-by-city articles on Canadian topics other than one on Jewish life in Montreal (I think it's called); all cribbed from heavily-biased sources and without any knowledge of context, geographical or historical, who set about waging wiki-war against me for daring to dispute his "sophomoric superiority" (to coin a phrase) that he knows best and I must obey HIM.
If you're so concerned, and only concerned, about behavioural violations, you should have levelled your guns at him and not me; but of course TLDR/WoT doesn't get read, and that means you'll never look at the reams of exegeses he laid out in the course of his persecution of me for disagreeing with me and being in the way of his personal POV/agenda.
I'm late for my friends; I'm still here because I care about my province's history and I am highly offended by the posturing and POV that has been fielded about it by somebody who's never even been there or read so much as ONE general history on the place.
Whatever you said above, it's more lecturing and more targeting me, while not dealing with HIS editorial and behavioural issues; that the two cannot be separate in real-world terms is somehow lost on those who created the rules your claim yourself to be bound by. POV (=propaganda) has long used personal attacks impugning someone's alleged behaviour so as to not allow REAL issues to be discussed....how interesting that's hard-wired into WMF's rule-book huh:?Skookum1 (talk) 13:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The WMF doesn't write content, Skookum1; it's not allowed to. There are many volunteers who also work for the WMF, including me, who do. The fact that I'm not involved in this content is immaterial to that. I am free to act as an editor where I choose, but not in issues where I am acting as an administrator. This is a line that cannot be crossed.
Aside from blatantly obvious issues, POV-determinations are not an admin matter. They're content and are up to editorial consensus. That's what dispute resolution forums are for.
In terms of behavioral issues, you have yet to produce evidence showing personal attacks against you from User:WhisperToMe. I have seen and located on my own many from the other direction.
As a final point here, you cannot provoke me into an intemperate response. That's not the way I work. --Moonriddengirl(talk) 13:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello my dear Moonriddengirl, it's always a pleasure to visit your talk page. Here is the thing I want to ask you about. A user copied and pasted a gastropod species description from a new paper into a species article. The user believes that he can do this, because 1. he is one of the authors of the paper, and 2. he is the editor of the journal. Is that or is that not a copyright problem?
The species description he copied is currently in the article Conasprella edpetuchi, and also in a fork of that article which is at Dalliconus edpetuchi. Needless to say the fork is a problem in its own right and needs to be deleted. The user left a note about this on the talk page of the first article.
Thanks for everything, Invertzoo (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Chiming in, since MRG has been silent for a few weeks. My take: Unless the paper he's using was published under a compatible free license, then that text cannot be used here verbatim, regardless of his authorship of it. If he wants to donate that text for use, he can of course follow those steps, but if it is a published paper, the journal it is published may not appreciate that. The approach I use in cases like this is to essentially state the above, with the sentiment that if they are the copyright holder, they should (hopefully) appreciate that we take extra precautions to protect their intellectual property, since the Wikipedia license allows anyone to take what he's added here and use/re-use/sell/parody it for any purpose beyond his control (and while he may not mind it being here, he probably doesn't want any of that extra to happen). As to the second part... that's more concerning. It looks like there's a scientific debate playing out in article titles. That's the kind of thing that needs rein-in. CrowCaw 23:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Crow for your reply. This afternoon I turned the fork into a redirect. One thing to understand is that User:Shellnut is both one of the three co-authors of the paper that described the species (and thus he is one of the co-authors of the species), and also he is the editor of the journal/magazine that published the paper. That creates a COI of course, and thus I suppose he should not be editing this article at all. But either way, we need to determine if the journal The Festivus is published under a "compatible free license". How do we determine that? I have a copy of the journal but there is no indication on the masthead what kind of license it is published under. Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 20:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhere in the first 2 pages (typically) is the copyright statement. If "all rights reserved" appears, then it is non-free. If a copyright statement appears without further clarification, then we'd assume it is fully copyrighted as well. Of note, I found This online, with instructions for submitters to the journal. The last sentence suggests they do wish to retail all rights. CrowCaw 20:50, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, user:Crow. :) I'll add that if there's nothing licensing the content or otherwise releasing rights to it, full reservation is assumed. It's automatic under current copyright law. --Moonriddengirl(talk) 18:56, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much to both Crow and Moonriddengirl. First rate advice as usual! Much appreciated, Invertzoo (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion
Hi :) I came here thanks a very nice user who told me you are the person I need to speak. I would like your opinion on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_locations_in_Once_Upon_a_Time Clearly, it is copied from the Wiki without mention or anything else. But apprently, you are able to determine what to do :) 77.193.106.198 (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another possible copyright problem
For reasons that I assume will be obvious to you, I suspect that Sutton Forest Public School (except for the first and last sentences) is a copyvio of the source cited in the article. That book is unfortunately not viewable online and is sufficiently obscure that it's unlikely that a request at WP:RX would help. What does one do in such a situation? Deor (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Actually OCLC221082963 a.k.a. OCLC221319750 is shown as held in several major Ozzie libraries. The odds are a helpful local Wikipedian in Sydney, Wollongong, Barton, Newcastle, or Canberra can be persuaded to visit one of them. Alternatively, you could presume an infraction and rewrite it entirely in your own words. LeadSongDogcome howl! 21:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
in order to get more users and get some good editing going on the Wikispecies admins have created a Facebook page for the group. I just wanted to check would this be a reasonable use of the Logo? for the Wikispecies project. On this Facebook page. Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers Faendalimastalk 02:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, User:Faendalimas! I'm sorry for my delay here; this is my volunteer account, and my time for volunteering has been pretty restricted lately. I'm afraid I can't really answer you directly but I can tell you who to ask! If you write to trademarks@wikimedia.org, they should be able to help pretty swiftly. :) Thanks for reaching out, and please let me know if I can be of further assistance. --Moonriddengirl(talk) 02:25, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I have come across the article Delaware, Ontario about a small village outside of my hometown, which a user has expanded a great deal without providing any sources at all. At least one large portion of text is directly quoted from a book (noted in the article, but still inappropriate), and I am concerned that the user has lifted portions from other works, although my quick searches have not revealed anything. Would you mind taking a look? Ivanvector (talk) 20:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Ivanvector. :) I can see why you would be concerned! I have done a very thorough spot-check and have found no copying outside of that massive quote, and since that source is public domain it's not a problem from a copyright perspective. I can't be sure there's not any copying from a source I can't access, but I've come up empty with what I can. This guy is editing again, I see. I wonder if he could produce sources to verify any of that content? --Moonriddengirl(talk) 02:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Society for Marketing Professional Services Page
Since I am new, I was searching for pages that already exist that I may be able to contribute to. I searched for the Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS) since I am a member of this organization. I noticed that a page previously existed and was deleted. I did review your policies about copyright but I wanted to ask if you could tell me why the old page was deleted so I don't make the same mistake in attempting to create a new page. SMPS has not asked me to do this. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Bitsybubbles (talk) 21:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bitsybubbles! I hope Moonriddengirl doesn't mind if I offer input here, I'm watching this page because I made a comment further up. The page Society for Marketing Professional Services was deleted because it was copied from the organization's website, which is a copyright violation. We have to delete content that violates copyright to comply with United States law, and if there is no content left that does not violate copyright then the page will be deleted entirely. If you would like to create a new page on the organization, you can create a new article in that space, but you might want to instead start your page in our "draft" workspace, at Draft:Society for Marketing Professional Services, and when you think it's ready you can submit it for a review through our Articles for Creation process. Also, since you've mentioned that you are a member of this organization, you might want to be familiar with our plain and simple conflict of interest guide before you start to edit. Cheers! Ivanvector (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]