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I found myself in a discussion with Monshuai, and a few day later I find user [[User:Lantonov]] take text I wrote in this discussion and use it in an entirely different context in another discussion altogether (see [[User talk:Lantonov]] for more I wrote on this). Both users are interested in POVs in connection to Bulgaria. [[User:Martijn faassen|Martijn Faassen]] ([[User talk:Martijn faassen|talk]]) 19:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC) |
I found myself in a discussion with Monshuai, and a few day later I find user [[User:Lantonov]] take text I wrote in this discussion and use it in an entirely different context in another discussion altogether (see [[User talk:Lantonov]] for more I wrote on this). Both users are interested in POVs in connection to Bulgaria. [[User:Martijn faassen|Martijn Faassen]] ([[User talk:Martijn faassen|talk]]) 19:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC) |
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Regarding Atanasoff, I'm disappointed to see you say in your edit summary that I don't take neutral point of view "into account". Given the Wikipedia MoS guidlines about not emphasizing ethnicity in the lead unless it is relevant to a biographical subject's notability, the only neutral point of view is to follow the MoS--to list Atanasoff's nationality but not his (complicated) ethnicity. There is plenty of space elsewhere in the article to deal fully and encyclopedically with the Atanasoff-Bulgaria relationship. I have offered to assist you with fleshing out this part of the article. Despite my exhortation in the talk page, you apparently cannot be bothered to spend energy working on the article in earnest and would prefer to espouse a position which works solely to "claim" Atanasoff. This is not good article writing. |
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If you're going to edit war, I should think it's time for you to involve your administrator friends, as you offered on the Atanasoff talk page. I'll be glad to let them examine the evidence and determine whether Atanasoff's ethnicity is indeed relevant to his notability or whether undue weight placed on it by forcing it into the lead is not the boosterism of editors whose sole contributions to the encyclopedia are in Bulgaria-related articles. [[User:Robert K S|Robert K S]] ([[User talk:Robert K S|talk]]) 22:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:Per MoS, a biographical subject's ethnicity should generally not be mentioned in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Yes, this applies for African-Americans, who shouldn't be presented as such in the leads of their articles unless ''being African-American is relevant to their notability''. (For a number of notable African-Americans, it is.) I have said repeatedly that I think the Atanasoff article could benefit from a (properly sourced, encyclopedically-written) section detailing his 1970 Bulgarian recognition, and I have also offered to help you write this section. I never said Atanasoff's Bulgarian ancestry wasn't ''important''. I've said it ''isn't relevant to his notability''. The ''reason'' for Atanasoff's notability ''isn't because he had Bulgarian ancestry''. If you still have questions about this, just ask on my talk page. Cheers and happy editing, [[User:Robert K S|Robert K S]] ([[User talk:Robert K S|talk]]) 11:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC) |
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Edit summaries and signing comments
Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, such as in England, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Working together
I have the impression that you are rather upset with me after our discussions on the talk pages of Bulgaria and Gradeshnitsa tablets. We've been discussing matters for a few days now. I am not trying to make you upset; I am just trying to help improve these articles.
I realize I have removed and changed some text in these articles and that you disagree with my editing actions. This is a normal interaction on Wikipedia. Our task is now to work out our differences to our mutual satisfaction while retaining Wikipedia's encyclopedic neutral, encyclopedic point of view.
I wish to note that I was not the only editor who has removed your edits. From your comments, I do get the impression you think I am someone actively working against you. Working against you is not my intent - I am trying to work with you. I want to find the proper place, and way, to address your concerns in Wikipedia. I do not dispute the evidence for possible ancient writing in the region of present-day Bulgaria. I dispute that we have reached the proper place, and proper tone: I think we should not discuss this so prominently in the Bulgaria article without a lot more care.
Some of the work that resulted in part from this discussion was actually productive - there is now a Gradeshnitsa tablets article, and you have found some very useful academic articles about the matter of early writing in the region. We should definitely continue with this productive exercise and expand the Gradeshnitsa tablets article.
Possible connection to User:Lantonov
I found myself in a discussion with Monshuai, and a few day later I find user User:Lantonov take text I wrote in this discussion and use it in an entirely different context in another discussion altogether (see User talk:Lantonov for more I wrote on this). Both users are interested in POVs in connection to Bulgaria. Martijn Faassen (talk) 19:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Your name has been mentioned at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard
You are welcome to join the discussion there. EdJohnston (talk) 05:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)