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:::::::: "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde. Actually, I'm ok with sitting in the corner and watching. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3#top|talk]]) 02:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::: Same fellow: "A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." For most Wikipedians this is the biggest day of their WikiLife, where everything is supposed to be manicured and fake and done-up. Like a wedding. And here you are being all sincere about everything. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] ([[User talk:JayHenry|talk]]) 02:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC) |
::::::::: Same fellow: "A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." For most Wikipedians this is the biggest day of their WikiLife, where everything is supposed to be manicured and fake and done-up. Like a wedding. And here you are being all sincere about everything. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] ([[User talk:JayHenry|talk]]) 02:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of a fool than open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain, I think, but Harper Lee said it in front of the Alabama legislature a couple years ago while getting an award. That, and "Thanks" was all she said. I have been known to watch Bridezilla shows gawping in astonishment. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3#top|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Hey! :)
Hey Moni,
I'm running out of time today, so I'll get to M tomorrow, k? From my first initial read-through, it looks ossim. ;) Willow (talk) 19:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yay! Whenever you can would be great. The keeper of Davy Jones' locker looked at it today, too. --Moni3 (talk) 20:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I took care of the list. Cheers. Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 00:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes your edits were smack on. Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 14:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- Good deal. I already noticed something I missed - Daily Mirror in italics. It's good to take a break and come back once more for once last peek. Excellent article. Great job. --Moni3 (talk) 14:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Black Mo thanks
<font=3> Thanks for your all comments and support - Black Moshannon State Park made featured article! Take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Pennsylvania State Parks Groundhog Award, with Featured Article Star | ||
This award is given with respect and admiration to Moni3 for assistance in helping Black Moshannon State Park become a Featured Article from Ruhrfisch and Dincher (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)) |
- Sweet! WP:FLORIDA needs one of these. With a flamingo standing on an alligator, both being eaten by a panther beneath a palm tree. Next time I visit Pennsylvania, I'm going to be looking for beavers wearing bronze stars, like so many disco medallions. Thanks so much! --Moni3 (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
You've done it again :-)) ... journalist, writer and environmentalist ... Literature because she's a journalist/writer, or Culture and society as an environmentalist? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I am drawn to the utterly ambiguous. If it weren't you, I'd tell folks to leave it open to interpretation, but I wouldn't ever want to deal with the crap you deal with, so I'm leaning toward Culture and society. Just in case you have to figure out where to put her in the FA list...should it pass. --Moni3 (talk) 23:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- Jawga, LOL; I've been to the airport in Atlanta :-)) Thanks, Moni !! Just in case, that is. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, freakin' I have too. I spent 10 hours in the Atlanta airport last August. Dang. Although I've otherwise spent quite some time in your namesake. Thanks for checking. --Moni3 (talk) 00:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- That was one of the best edit summaries ever seen outside of Yomangani's or The Fat Man's talk pages :-)) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- What, isn't there a notable edit summary list somewhere? Or is that just another gem that we keep amongst ourselves? --Moni3 (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- User:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back keeps track of unusual names; bet we could get him to track stupendous edit summaries. Well, back to work here; watch out for those drunken truck drivers !! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'd sign a petition for this new list; with The Fat Man at the helm, it would be nothing short of glorious. Maralia (talk) 02:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I know The Fat Man's foibles: we can surely get him to head this venture (but first, let's get him to copyedit that FAC at the bottom of the list). He pretends laziness: yea, right. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Perhaps a contest to see whose edit summaries will become the basis for a Stephen King novel, David Lynch film, or in Sandy's case, plot for Laguna Beach. But nonetheless, I'm sure Mrs. Douglas would be very pleased to be so associated with these edits. --Moni3 (talk) 02:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- If we keep this up, Outriggr and Ceoil will catch on and come over to illustrate the book; just don't let The Fat Man get near the illustrations, or we'll all be blushing :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think avant garde high school performance art would do these summaries justice. --Moni3 (talk) 02:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ceoil will throw some YouTube videos at it, too! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think avant garde high school performance art would do these summaries justice. --Moni3 (talk) 02:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- If we keep this up, Outriggr and Ceoil will catch on and come over to illustrate the book; just don't let The Fat Man get near the illustrations, or we'll all be blushing :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'd sign a petition for this new list; with The Fat Man at the helm, it would be nothing short of glorious. Maralia (talk) 02:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- User:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back keeps track of unusual names; bet we could get him to track stupendous edit summaries. Well, back to work here; watch out for those drunken truck drivers !! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- What, isn't there a notable edit summary list somewhere? Or is that just another gem that we keep amongst ourselves? --Moni3 (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- That was one of the best edit summaries ever seen outside of Yomangani's or The Fat Man's talk pages :-)) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, freakin' I have too. I spent 10 hours in the Atlanta airport last August. Dang. Although I've otherwise spent quite some time in your namesake. Thanks for checking. --Moni3 (talk) 00:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Jawga, LOL; I've been to the airport in Atlanta :-)) Thanks, Moni !! Just in case, that is. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Congrats on another great job. Horologium (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks so much, Horologium! I would like to bring Everglades and its 4 or 5 associated articles to FA and perhaps make it a Featured Topic as well. I also responded to some comments at WP:Florida yesterday. Don't know if you saw them. --Moni3 (talk) 18:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Hippie
I've responded to your offer of help, here. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 10:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. Please keep the talk page on your watchlist as I'll be adding a second reply soon. Viriditas (talk) 09:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hello, again. I just wanted to let you know that one of the authors User:Benjiboi suggested, a Dr. Margaret Cruikshank (author of The Gay and Lesbian Liberation Movement), covers the issue quite nicely. I thought you would like to know in case anyone ever asks you about the relationship between the hippies and LGBT. Of course, if you can offer any other authors for inclusion, that would be great too. I've asked Benjiboi to consider adding LGBT to the counterculture of the 1960s article, but your help would also be appreciated. Thanks again, and please keep an eye on the hippie article for new edits on the way. Viriditas (talk) 08:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Katie Sierra GA review
Yo Moni, thanks for taking the time to review Katie Sierra! I don't know if you have the talkpage on your watchlist, but I have left a few comments addressing some of the points of your review. As it has been nominated quite some time ago, I am quite anxious to bring the article up to standard as soon as possible, so if you could drop by the talkpage, that would be great. Regards, Skomorokh 15:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- I do have it on my watchlist, and I just left you some comments. Don't make me come collect that $1000. --Moni3 (talk) 15:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ha ha I am rather coming to enjoy this review. Thanks for the prompt response! Skomorokh 16:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Re Katie Sierra
Hi Moni, and thanks for the note. I've given the article a very quick once-over (pushed for time at the moment!), but for what it's worth, I agree with you on both points. The article does come over as slightly non-neutral in places, though I'm sure this is a function of the prose rather than editor bias. To take one example, from the lead: "The actions and attitude of the school toward Sierra were sharply criticized in the media for what critics perceived as censorship and McCarthyism, as a dark sign of post-September 11th American society and its conception of freedom of speech." It's not clear whether it's the media claiming that American society has entered a 'dark' phase, or it's the article writer's opinion. Such a statement is also open to challenge, so, assuming it is media opinon being paraphrased, it should really be cited (even though I'm not generally a fan of cites in the lead).
Regarding your second point, per WP:MOSQUOTE, the first indented quotation is far too short to use that format, and I agree that it over-emphasises the phrase in the context of the section (possibly giving the impression of POV). The MoS also strongly discourages wikilinks within quotes. The second indented quote at the end of the article is also slightly short, although I would argue that one less strongly as it is more directly relevant to the section it's in. I'm not sure why one would use epigraph rather than blockquote either (it's the first time I've seen it!). No problem with the boxed quotes though, as they are permitted by the MoS and give a balanced viewpoint from both 'sides' of the dispute.
Hope this helps! Any questions, etc... you know ;) All the best, EyeSerenetalk 20:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, EyeSerene. Thanks for getting back to me. As per a discussion with the nominator of the article, he's going to remove it from the list of GA noms for the time being. I'm recusing myself from the review process, since I assisted him in locating better sources than what he had. I sent him I think more than 20 emails of newspaper stories to replace the more liberal sources he had. He stated on his talk page that he's going to read what I've sent him and rewrite it depending on the material. I may remain involved in the article, but I don't think I can remain as neutral about it as I was since I read the majority of what I sent him. --Moni3 (talk) 20:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I think you've made the best decision - if the review had continued I don't think you would have needed to recuse, but a major re-write is different (and would probably in any case fall foul of the instability criterion). I'd also like to say what a pleasure it is to have reviewers like you on the team, who are willing to pitch in and work on the article they're reviewing ;) Fantastic work! EyeSerenetalk 20:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Re: Is my playhouse that interesting?
Your performance has been outstanding, so I assumed that I could "take the plunge" and improve your works. I would certainly be willing to offer some help for the articles. You have completed several impressive ones, and you're a comprehensive editor. I did recall a source for the Spanish moss garments, but I couldn't find it. I always attempt to cite my sources for various changes. Good luck on future FA endeavors! I will continue to add further details to the current culture sandbox. CVW (Talk) 22:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, well in that case, jump right in! I altered my userpage to reflect what I'll be working on. I need all the help I can get. This project is massive. --Moni3 (talk) 22:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Mary Meader
Hello Moni3. I noticed you failed Mary Meader as a GA. Would you mind putting the article back on hold? I completly forgot about the article and I will be addressing the issues tommorow or the next day. I would otherwise have renominated it for GA once the changes are made, but since there is such a backlog there I would rather not go through the experiance again. I have very little experiance in the GA field being that this is only my second (the first was Lazare Ponticelli, which is now an FA!). Please give me feedback on whether this is possible or re-review it after the changes are done. Editorofthewikireview my edits here! 01:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Heh. You're new to writing, and I'm new to reviewing them. I think you're good to just renominate it at any time. If you want me to review it again, I can. Just let me know. --Moni3 (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Indigenous people of the Everglades region
Looks good - have you thought about nominating it at WP:DYK? You may like recent changes to the Native Americans section of Worlds End State Park. I think we sould also work on a Indigenous people of Pennsylvania article, or at least add it to the ever lengthening to do list. Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've nominated maybe half a dozen items to DYK, and all but one have been turned down. So, like a big dumb idiot, I offered this article too. I eagerly await the creativity with which my factoid will be denied... Worlds End is looking good! --Moni3 (talk) 20:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Re: Climate content check in Everglades
Hey. Sure, I'll be happy to take a look. Just give me a few minutes, and I'll get right on it. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, I gave it a copyedit and corrected a couple things, but it looks good for the most part. It should be good to go now. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
You lurk on other user's talk pages too? (LOL). Anyways, we'd be glad to have you aboard, just add {{adopting}} to your userpage. and then go into the C:ADOPT and leave messages for users who haven't been offered adoption, and then make sure make the appropriate change to their adoptme as explained above.
Dear Moni, please accept my congratulations and best wishes. Graham. GrahamColmTalk 20:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- Graham, thank you once again for your support. I look forward to living up to your high expectations with future nominations. --Moni3 (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject Good Articles May Newsletter
The May Newsletter for WikiProject Good Articles has now been published. Dr. Cash (talk) 22:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles Newsletter |
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Nice Job on And the Band Played On
Hi Moni. In case I forgot to mention it, nice job getting this article to "GA" status. The last time I looked at it (more than a year ago) it was a mess. Uranographer (talk) 06:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Mary Seacole
All done. Rudget (Help?) 13:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
heads up on Melaleuca quinquenervia
Given yer gonna work up Everglades at some point, I was just giving you a heads up on Melaleuca quinquenervia, a stub I completely forgot I started way back when, which I think would be good to get to GA or FA at some stage. Someone has added a lot about the situation in Florida which may need a look over a bit later. I am just tidying it and I'll get some more taxonomic and ecological stuff from my neck of the woods (Oz) as well but I am not familiar with stuff in US. Anyway...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- I saw that change. I'm going to rewrite the entire second half of the article, expanding it significantly by creating larger articles. I'm in the middle of the Geology and ecology of the Everglades right now, and the next one I'll be doing is Draining and development of the Everglades. Restoration is coming up after that, and those last two are probably where invasive species and encroachment will be addressed. It's going to take me a couple months at the least to get them all up to FA quality. Let me know when you're working on Melaleuca and if there's anything I can do to help out. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 22:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- I have just pulled out my local aussie plant books to spruce up the beginning bit on basic description/taxonomy etc. -the only other thing initially is finishing off converting the refs to inline. As they are from peer-reviewed journals etc. I suspect they will end up staying. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
White Mountain art
I thank you for taking the time to review White Mountain art. I have made a number of changes already. Some require the use of my reference materials that are not currently available to me. I will continue to make changes that you suggest to which I agree. On the talk page to the article, I will respond with comments where I feel strongly that I agree with Jack Bethune. Is this OK with you for a way to proceed? And, please give me two weeks to make changes and have discussions. OK? I feel we are all trying to make this article better. JJ (talk) 22:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Let me take a look at the article with some fresh eyes tomorrow. I've been writing one steadily throughout the day, and that overtaxes my copy editing abilities. I had two featured article candidates that went on many weeks after I expected them to, and I went on vacation without my materials to respond to the comments about them. I know what that's like. Where we seem to disagree, we'll have to get consensus from other GA reviewers. It's not time to get stressed out yet. --Moni3 (talk) 22:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- You have been very helpful. I have implemented many of your suggestions. I have taken exception to some. Please see may comments at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:White_Mountain_art#GA_review:_evaluation_and_responses. I continue to believe that everyone involved wants this to be a good article on the subject. I hope you will find that I'm opinionated but reasonable to work with. And, again, thanks for doing such a thorough and thoughtful review. (I did mention that I have not read guidelines. And, I probably won't unless they will help clarify issues that to me are common sense.) JJ (talk) 01:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Moni3: I have implemented most of your suggestions, with only one exception that requires reference materials that I won't have until next week. Those which I dispute are discussed on the article's talk page (see above). Please 1) review my changes and 2) discuss disagreements on the article's talk page. I feel confident we can reach compromise on these outstanding issues. JJ (talk) 11:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Moni3: I have noted on the talk page of White Mountain art that I would like a re-review by you (and others?). You did note on May 12 that you were reading the article again. Can you give me some guidance about this process and how I should now proceed? I will not make any further edits until I "hear" from you. And, thanks again for your help. JJ (talk) 12:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
So sorry to be a total pain, but you'll have to remove all the fair-use images from that user page per our policy. :) indopug (talk) 22:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Yeah, poop on bots. --Moni3 (talk) 12:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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Indigenous people of the Everglades region
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Re White Mountain Art
Lol, that's an impressive knack you have! My first impression is that you have done (another) quality review, and all wikilawyering aside, the article is not currently GA standard but won't take much work to get there. You haven't raised anything that's too far above and beyond the GA standard, which is on a steadily upward curve. The criteria (as always on WP) lag behind current practice, and although some of the issues you've raised are perhaps negotiable, you seem to feel as I do that, given a suitably knowledgable reviewer, GA is a good opportunity to fix those things you know from experience will be raised at a later date. The only important proviso is not to fail the assessment for those issues that aren't in the criteria - some reviewers split their reviews into "GA blockers" and "Nice-to-haves", with addressing the latter completely up the the editors' discretion (I'm not suggesting you should do this btw, I'm just illustrating the fact that what you've done is completely in line with current GA-review best practice).
If you'd like more detailed comments on the article itself, let me know where you want them! I'm not sure whether you want comments on the article talk page or not, given the potential to further confuse the nominator there. In any case, you were completely right to insist on the re-review given the unsafe pass - if these things aren't challenged it affects the credibilty of our project - and as a trusted GA reviewer it's assessment is your call. Regards, EyeSerenetalk 08:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Questions re Wiki Guidelines
Moni3: I would like to ask you questions about guidelines in an effort to make White Mountain art a GA. Please answer below each question.
- What is the guideline for external links? Specifically, please look at the second image in the article. This painting is in the collection of the New Hampshire Historical Society. There is no wiki article on this organization. (I could start one, but it would be a distraction from my current article.) So, I put an external link to the organization's Website. Since there is no wiki article, this seems very helpful to readers to get more information on the organization. Is this acceptable, or will you dispute this external link? Please advise. I'll continue to post questions here if that's OK. JJ (talk) 11:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
An FAC discussion that you commented on was restarted
The FAC discussion Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Getting It: The psychology of est, which you had previously commented on, has since been restarted. Would you care to carry your !vote/comment forward from the FAC before it was restarted? Cirt (talk) 21:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Let me take another look at the article and comment. Thanks for the invitation. --Moni3 (talk) 21:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Like a sweet apple that ripens on the uppermost bough, just out of reach
I really would appreciate your help with my favourite poet, but I'm not ready yet. I've been thinking about her for a long time, pretty much since I came here, but it's kind of like treading on holy ground for me, so I've wanted desperately to do it right. I've been working on some Catullus as a warm-up exercise; he's totally different as a poet, but somehow similar in being intensely personal; if I can do well with him, then I'll feel more confident about singing of deathless and dazzlingly cunning Love, and of flames running just under my skin.
I'll try to help out later today with the Everglades; is there an article you'd most like me to look over? I'm still feeling under the weather, but I'm gradually coming back. My new problem is that I'm so sore from gardening (ploughing is not for sissies ;), that I feel it even when I'm typing. :P Willow (talk) 12:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
PS. I wanted to say how much I appreciated your Friends' testimony on your user page. I do see how they apply to the wiki-world, and also to me. I feel the peace testimony most strongly, but all of them seem vital (in both senses); I can also imagine me becoming more balanced as I learn more. Anyway, thank you for giving me the chance to learn more. :)
- Hey there! It should go without saying that I enjoy your messages. There are topics that I find I just can't do until all the sudden, I can. Everglades is one of them. Several months ago I was chilled by the prospect of how much work has to go into this. I don't know what changes, but it does. I created Indigenous people of the Everglades region and posted it on April 30. On May 5 I posted Geography and ecology of the Everglades, and that one for some reason was more difficult and may have weird prose in it. I think I have to add more to that, but I would appreciate (and think I really need) a copy edit. I'm also concerned that it's too sterile or too sciencey, if there is such a thing. I'm starting to write Drainage and development of the Everglades now, and that may take me a week or so to do. Then take a couple days off and start Restoration of the Everglades.
- Any suggestions for any articles you might have I would love to hear. I'm adding content to the big kahuna Everglades article each time I post a satellite article, so I've added through Native American people - everything after that is something I'll be rewriting. This may be a lot of reading for you - do only want you want to do. A few other editors are assisting. CapeVerdeWave watches my sandbox and comes in rather like a cattle egret to pick the ticks and bugs off of my facts. Ruhrfisch and Cryptic C62 gave very helpful peer reviews.
- I thought last night my testimony was hackneyed, so I took it down. I might put it back up. Why are my cucumber leaves turning yellow and dying? Is it a fungus or is that what cucumber leaves do? (You plow?) --Moni3 (talk) 12:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I think you're amazing for all that you're doing for the Everglades; you could make them into a Featured Topic! :) We're pretty similar, I think, in how we throw ourselves bodily at articles, although I think you're at least slightly less distractable than me. ;) Case in point: I was going to look at the science-y one today, but I have to run to the library to get something for helping User:Scartol as well. (sheepish) But I'll try the waters of the river of grass tomorrow.
I do plow my vegetable garden, although perhaps it's over-the-top. (People in my village are always kidding me about my "small farm", at least until I feed them some asparagus or berries. ;) I don't plow the perennial gardens, trees and sundry plots of berry bushes, of course, although I do try to amend the soil as needed every year. I don't use any chemicals on my gardens so I make yards and yards of compost, which I plow into the soil; plowing also helps me to turn and aerate the soil, bringing up nutrients and introducing oxygen. For my vegetable garden, there's a certain consistency to the soil that I'm looking for, rich and organic but somehow "fluffy". I like to plow twice in the spring, a few weeks apart, but also a few weeks before the main planting time, so that the local soil bacteria have time to digest the compost, without hurting the plants with byproducts.
I'm not sure about the cucumbers, since my own luck with cucumbers is rather hit-or-miss, although I do pretty well with the rest of the Cucurbitaceae. :P (Have you ever eaten kiwanos? They're delicious!) The yellow leaves might be normal, if they're just the initial leaves from the seed, you know, the cotyledons? If they're "real" leaves and if you don't see any pests, my guess would be that your plants are being overwatered or maybe not getting enough nitrogen? Do you have good drainage in your soil? Other general things I usually worry about are the soil pH, the temperature and whether the plants getting enough sunlight? Unfortunately, there's roughly a bazillion things that might cause yellow leaves; I'll think some more about how you might figure out what's going on. Good luck with everything and hasta mañana, Willow (talk) 21:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ooh. Sshh and don't tell anyone, but I was thinking of going for a triple crown for each satellite and a featured topic. I'm writing to Everglades too slow for it to get a DYK (those pooters at DYK!), so no triple crown for it, alas. I don't know about who's more distractable. Once I'm finished with all of this, I probably won't be able to read these for a month or so. I come back round eventually. Like I said, read it whenever you want, or not at all if you don't. Though if it proves so deathly dull you'd rather poke a fork in your eye, please let me know. I need to find the fine line between high school textbook boring and Steve Irwin shouting, "Crikey!"
- I need a gardening book. My poor gardenias look so haggard every spring. I'm not doing something right with them. I've never grown cucumbers before, so this is new to me.
- Scartol needs help too. Get to me when you can, but let your passion direct you. --Moni3 (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Mackintosh Article
It was very kind of you to write the note advising me on getting a bit more interest in the Aeneas Mackintosharticle. There was quite a lot of interest in at at peer review, which hasn't for some reason transferred to the FAC stage. It would take a short essay to explain my motives in writing the article. I have been interested in polar exploration since inheriting my father's travel library, with a particular soft spot for the second-string characters who weren't lauded as heroes but whose contributions were in their way just as important as those of the big-name stars, Scott, Shackleton and co. Mackintosh, an almost unknown figure, combines misfortune and heroism to a remarkable degree; he died after doing his duty - and nobody knows about him. For this reason I chose him, as I explained at the peer review, as the subject of my very first Wikipedia article. It was so bad that I abandoned it in shame and confusion, before sharpening my skills on other polar articles and gaining confidence through the GAN and FAC procedures. I then returned to Mackintosh, and have developed what I hope is a article worthy of him. But I can't say all that in my "reasons for nomination". I'll try and figure out an appropriate sentence, though. And many thanks for your advice, and for supporting the article. Brianboulton (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- I inherited my father's travel library x years ago and read about this explorer, and I discovered a soft spot for underdogs who weren't lauded as heroes. Mackintosh, an almost unknown figure, combines misfortune and heroism to a remarkable degree; he died after doing his duty - and nobody knows about him. For this reason I chose to write his article, and I hope I have been able to honor him by writing it.
- Well, I hope it works. It helps when I'm scanning FACs to read a particularly engaging and poignant reason that someone worked like such a dog to get an article that far. And I like your reason and identify with it. Had I known it, I would have read it earlier. I hope you get some takers if you edit it. Good luck! If it gets restarted, let me know. --Moni3 (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Zelda F.
Hi Moni, I'm looking for help from Wikipedia's smart literary types. I tend to review these articles but have yet to take one to FAC myself. Hoping to start with Zelda Fitzgerald (and eventually work myself up to Scott or even my namesake!) and so I've listed Zelda for peer review. As you're one of the aforementioned smart ones, I wondered if you could help me out! --JayHenry (talk) 04:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Who lied to you about my being a smart literary type? I read Zelda when it was waiting for GA. I liked it, but that was before I started reviewing GA noms. I'll read it again since you probably changed it. Somewhere locked in the deep chasms of my memory is the idea that she used to get violent obsessions with her women friends. Did you come across that in your studies? I'm doing a few things today, so I'll try to get to it at some point within the next 24 hours. Good job, by the way! --Moni3 (talk) 12:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, hope you're doing well. I noticed you put an "On Hold" template under Larry Norman on the WP:GAN page— but unless I'm mistaken, your username doesn't appear anywhere on Talk:Larry Norman...? Thanks! Ling.Nut (talk) 05:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ohh dude, that's too confusing for someone as feeble-minded as I to figure out first thing in the morning. I think when I passed A Day in the Life I neglected to remove my name. I think. I removed my name. I'd review it, but I have a few too many balls in the air right now. --Moni3 (talk) 11:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I hate to rip on that map (seeing how the peer review was not kind to it), but when you redo it, you might want to omit "Jobe", as that is simply another name for the Jaega (see the article). I had not encountered any reference to the "Jobe" before while I was researching for History of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and I suspect the citations in the Jaega article will adequately reference that point. Horologium (talk) 13:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ok. Took me and someone else two freakin' days to do that map...poot. Guess it's going to take two more. Don't hold back if you see errors, please. The object is not to spare my feelings, but to make sure the information is accurate. You don't have to call it garbage, per se, but please point things out to me. --Moni3 (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Your performance on these articles is remarkable. I have one plausible suggestion for the section on Napoleon Bonaparte Broward in your sandbox, which involves the Everglades' drainage and development. Michael Grunwald's The Swamp: The Everglades, Florida, and the Politics of Paradise notes that Napoleon's popularity and praise eventually lead to the christening of Broward County, Florida. Additional landmarks and sites across the state also bear his name. Unfortunately, I don't own the book, and I can't recall the exact pages that contained the information. Regardless, I think that notable fact should be added, and it definitely fits the context. Additionally, Napoleon supported the dredging of canals across southern Florida, including the present location of Broward County. CVW (Talk) 02:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ok. I probably should include a couple more sentences about the rest of his political career. I have Grunwald's book, and I'll see what I can add. I'm actually trying not to rely on it too much... --Moni3 (talk) 02:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Hamilton Disston
Why is this article not up for GA? Is that something you might be interested in? --Moni3 (talk) 12:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'm glad you find it interesting. I actually had pipe dreams about finding some pictures - maps perhaps - and expanding the article if possible, and trying for FA. You seem to have some experience in that realm... what do you think? William I of Schenectady (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think you have a very good chance for an FA with that article. The only thing I would suggest would be to vary your sources a little bit since you rely a lot on Michael Grunwald. If you need any suggestions, I included Disston, of course, in an article I'm writing on Drainage and development of the Everglades - check out my sources (I hope this to become an FA along with some others I'm writing involving the Everglades. If you can't get the articles, I can do my best to email them. If you're looking for images, try the Florida Memory Project Photograph Collection and the Everglades Digital Library. Let me know if you want help and I can assist you through the FA process. --Moni3 (talk) 00:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Mackintosh star
The Aeneas Mackintosh article got promoted to FA today. It had a rather gentler ride at FAC than I'm used to or was expecting, but so what? Thank you for supporting it and for thoughtful advice. Brianboulton (talk) 10:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Charles Manson
Hi. I asked that the GA nomination be withdrawn because this is the second time I've attempted to take it to GA only to be met with problems in doing so. The first time, in November, was done when the article was fairly stable and as soon as I nominated it, another editor and John Bonaccorsi embarked on what was close to being an edit war over relatively trivial wording issues. This time, with Bonaccorsi stating very clearly he was opposed to trimming or revising the article in any way, I realize that any attempts to edit it down will result in the same. It's a really good article, it's well researched, but it would fail on its own merit once I started cutting the bulk down because he would come along and object. It's not worth the headache to me to go through this again. It's also obvious to me that there is a bit of an ownership issue with it, not on my part. I've put lots of hours in on the article too, but I give up. I can't take the stress. Thanks for your attempt to help. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Bummer, dude. I understand the stress. I tend to work on articles that have been completely neglected; I like an underdog. There is a clear issue of ownership with this article, I agree. You'd have to pursue it with administrators, though. My message was directed to you and John Bonaccorsi - there's no reason to split this article. Because you or he doesn't want to watch both or five or however many, is so silly it can't be a real reason. Sit on your decision if you want. I can direct you to the right committee if you want to discuss it with admins. --Moni3 (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Everglades
My mistake, sorry. That was a particularly difficult article to assess as I could see some content was already on the Everglades page and some was not. I could also see you had done a lot of work on the Everglades article yourself, but I missed the fact that you had added the ecology section only recently. To avoid such errors in future, might I suggest you leave a note alongside the hook next time to explain your procedure? That would also save time for the reviewer, thanks.
Anyhow, since it's a very comprehensive article, I have now rectified the situation by promoting it to the lead spot for the next update, and that's where it should appear unless someone decides to move it in the meantime. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 01:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. I put another one up today, and I'll amend the hook to explain it, since I'll be adding the information from that article to the Everglades article tomorrow. I appreciate your flexibility.--Moni3 (talk) 02:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
DYK
I did have it in the lead spot, but someone bumped it down 'cos it's the Buddha's birthday. But at least you still got one :) --Gatoclass (talk) 06:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- No problems. I suppose I'll take second place to Buddha... for now... Thanks, Gatoclass! --Moni3 (talk) 11:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
No problem - and thank you for all the hard work in turning that article around. Lugnuts (talk) 17:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Your thanks is appreciated, but writing that was much more for me than for anyone reading it. (And thank you again for the barstar!) --Moni3 (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, I read it the other day and thought it was a lot of fun to read too. I remember when I saw that movie in college, I was so confused by the whole thing that afterwards I went to the concession stand and then snuck back into the theater for the next showing to try to figure it out. I love that you wrote User:Moni3/Mulholland Drive with your theories too. I tried once to get Scartol to write a section composed entirely of personal conjecture about what Emma Goldman would think of Wikipedia. While reading the actual article, I was excited to see a link for cuckold, assuming the attached article could be one of those magical bits of Wikipedia madness. I was surprised to see that either the definition at the start of cuckold is completely wrong or I always misunderstood the word. It's not the woman, right? The cuckold is the man... --JayHenry (talk) 02:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- When I was watching the movie once a day I told my sister-in-law (she finds my obsessions funny) who told me about her experience seeing it in the theater. Apparently she had to pee really badly during the film, so she left and came back four or five minutes later. When she slid into her seat again, she asked my brother what had happened while she was gone. He replied, "No way could I tell you what's going on in this movie." Cuckold, according to Dan Savage is a man whose wife sleeps with other men. I'm very glad you like the article. I hope to read through Zelda again this week. --Moni3 (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Mary Meader again
Could you review Mary Meader again? Ther really isn't that much written about her, and I have improved the article somewhat since the last review. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 00:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, now I have 4 sources. I tried my library, but there was nothing on her. There is a few obituaries of her, but most are just mirrors of the NYT article. However, I am not okay with the bombardment, and I don't even have e-mail enabled (I prefer to keep discussions onwiki), but I don't see why you can't add to the article myself or give me the info on my talk page. I guess I'll give it another go, but like I said, there was very little. It would be wonderful if you could find that book somewhere... I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 19:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- It's true, I could add to the article. But I'm a big believer in letting your passion inspire you to what you want to write. Mary Meader is not my passion. I think she's interesting, but the entire reward I find here at Wikipedia is going absolutely nuts on something I'm enthralled with. And I'm smack in the middle of writing and re-editing 5 articles about the Everglades. So - I can't do this for you, I'm afraid. Let me know if there's something I can. --Moni3 (talk) 19:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Not to try to add any more work to your already busy schedule, but would you mind if I nominate you for adminship? Browsing through User:SandyGeorgia's talk page and reviewing your edits myself, you seem to be a perfect candidate, even if you don't have thousands of edits in that stupid wikipedia namespace. We all want to poop on bots sometimes: one time the coren search bot tagged like 15 of my perfectly-fine articles on towns in Myanmar. User:Blofeld of SPECTRE and myself started an ANI discussion before that stupid bot stopped yelling at us. Not that you should be reading this incoherant rant... but I'd love to nominate you for adminship. However, if you want to stick to article editing that's fine with me too. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 22:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- I appreciate the thought for sure. I'll tell you what I told User:Balloonman (who you should probably discuss this with - I figure he has his good reasons for not nominating me). I'm ok with your nominating me, although I'm not sure what it is I would do besides continue to write articles and review when I have time. If you read that thread, you saw that I really loathe politics, bureaucracy, and internet drama. I've read a few of those RfAs and they seem to be a lot of all three. Though I don't play devil's advocate because I don't believe it, I do say what I think if I think it's worth saying. That may make for a sticky nomination. I'm not as worried about me, though, than you. It might affect your reputation to nominate someone who would not be a strong candidate. I leave it up to you. --Moni3 (talk) 22:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- And yet, I have nominated you: see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Moni3. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 00:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Why do I feel as if I have sent out invitations for people to come to my funeral, where I can watch them give solemn eulogies or pee in my coffin? Not sure what you've gotten me (or you) into. But ah, it's a new experience I haven't yet had. Let's see what it brings...--Moni3 (talk) 01:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- The only way you can become a legend is in your coffin. Yee-haw I say! --JayHenry (talk) 02:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde. Actually, I'm ok with sitting in the corner and watching. --Moni3 (talk) 02:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Same fellow: "A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." For most Wikipedians this is the biggest day of their WikiLife, where everything is supposed to be manicured and fake and done-up. Like a wedding. And here you are being all sincere about everything. --JayHenry (talk) 02:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of a fool than open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain, I think, but Harper Lee said it in front of the Alabama legislature a couple years ago while getting an award. That, and "Thanks" was all she said. I have been known to watch Bridezilla shows gawping in astonishment. --Moni3 (talk) 02:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Same fellow: "A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal." For most Wikipedians this is the biggest day of their WikiLife, where everything is supposed to be manicured and fake and done-up. Like a wedding. And here you are being all sincere about everything. --JayHenry (talk) 02:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde. Actually, I'm ok with sitting in the corner and watching. --Moni3 (talk) 02:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- And yet, I have nominated you: see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Moni3. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 00:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- I appreciate the thought for sure. I'll tell you what I told User:Balloonman (who you should probably discuss this with - I figure he has his good reasons for not nominating me). I'm ok with your nominating me, although I'm not sure what it is I would do besides continue to write articles and review when I have time. If you read that thread, you saw that I really loathe politics, bureaucracy, and internet drama. I've read a few of those RfAs and they seem to be a lot of all three. Though I don't play devil's advocate because I don't believe it, I do say what I think if I think it's worth saying. That may make for a sticky nomination. I'm not as worried about me, though, than you. It might affect your reputation to nominate someone who would not be a strong candidate. I leave it up to you. --Moni3 (talk) 22:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Not to try to add any more work to your already busy schedule, but would you mind if I nominate you for adminship? Browsing through User:SandyGeorgia's talk page and reviewing your edits myself, you seem to be a perfect candidate, even if you don't have thousands of edits in that stupid wikipedia namespace. We all want to poop on bots sometimes: one time the coren search bot tagged like 15 of my perfectly-fine articles on towns in Myanmar. User:Blofeld of SPECTRE and myself started an ANI discussion before that stupid bot stopped yelling at us. Not that you should be reading this incoherant rant... but I'd love to nominate you for adminship. However, if you want to stick to article editing that's fine with me too. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 22:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- It's true, I could add to the article. But I'm a big believer in letting your passion inspire you to what you want to write. Mary Meader is not my passion. I think she's interesting, but the entire reward I find here at Wikipedia is going absolutely nuts on something I'm enthralled with. And I'm smack in the middle of writing and re-editing 5 articles about the Everglades. So - I can't do this for you, I'm afraid. Let me know if there's something I can. --Moni3 (talk) 19:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, now I have 4 sources. I tried my library, but there was nothing on her. There is a few obituaries of her, but most are just mirrors of the NYT article. However, I am not okay with the bombardment, and I don't even have e-mail enabled (I prefer to keep discussions onwiki), but I don't see why you can't add to the article myself or give me the info on my talk page. I guess I'll give it another go, but like I said, there was very little. It would be wonderful if you could find that book somewhere... I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 19:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much
Thanks very much for the barnstar and your kind words. It is nice to know my efforts at PR have not gone unnoticed. I meant to mention in my last peer review of one of your Everglades articles that there is a state park named for Gifford Pinchot in Pennsylvania (he was its governor)(twice). Keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)