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"attack" subpages that are really meant to document abuse before submitting it
you used to have a subpage documenting what you perceived to be abuse by tothwolf. recently, I've run into a problem with an admin wikihounding/harassing me and I've decided to document it so that I can report it. the abuse goes back quite a while and it would take me a long time to track down the diffs, so i've created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Theserialcomma/InappropriateAdmins. I was almost immediately then contacted by another admin who warned me that I might actually be attacking the admin in question by having a page like this. Would you please advise me as to whether I can continue to add diffs to this page, or if I should delete it?
Thanks Theserialcomma (talk) 06:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know what the official stance on it is, but my personal feeling on it is that what's in your userspace is yours, and as long as you're not calling attention to it (outside of the appropriate forums), it shouldn't be an issue. However, once it's discovered, I could easily see how it would be a source of annoyance for the person you're documenting. I guess my suggestion would be to keep it documented on a file on your computer, instead of on-wiki. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 06:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- the subpage you created that i'm referencing has been deleted. even though i cannot see it, could you give me the diff so i could add it to my evidence? i was accused of being involved in the situation somehow but i wasn't, so it'd be useful. thanks. Theserialcomma (talk) 06:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Theserialcomma, I've had no interaction with you regarding your current problems with other editors and I suggest you leave me out of it. Based on what I've been observing from my watchlist you seem to have brought it on yourself. --Tothwolf (talk) 08:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- this isn't about you, tothwolf, so you can back off now. User: Mikaey created a subpage that documented some perceived abuse by you. none of the evidence that he gathered had anything to do with my interactions with you. except, then Jeske Couriano randomly came here to tell Mikaey that there is "an agent provocateur".
- Jeske's exact words are "you might want to address Theserialcomma, who's been harassing and stalking (the alleged abusive user), at the same time. Whatever behavioral problems are there are aggravated specifically by TSC. Remove him from the equation and see if (the alleged user) is as evil as you would believe.".
- User: Mikaey responds: "I barely even looked at that. Most of the stuff I documented predates their interactions. ". Actually, I was literally uninvolved in any of the evidence that Mikaey gathered. Jeske Couriano attacked and blamed me without examining the evidence in any way.
- Theserialcomma, I've had no interaction with you regarding your current problems with other editors and I suggest you leave me out of it. Based on what I've been observing from my watchlist you seem to have brought it on yourself. --Tothwolf (talk) 08:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- the subpage you created that i'm referencing has been deleted. even though i cannot see it, could you give me the diff so i could add it to my evidence? i was accused of being involved in the situation somehow but i wasn't, so it'd be useful. thanks. Theserialcomma (talk) 06:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- So yes, you are right, Tothwolf, this should have nothing to do with you. You and I have had no recent interactions until you came to this page. This is about Jeske Couriano hounding me. You don't need to respond to this any further because we have nothing else to discuss. I am currently gathering diffs of Jeske's abuse (e.g. [[1]], but if any of them involve you, I'll make sure to say "a user" instead of your name. I have no intention of further communicating with you. Thanks. Theserialcomma (talk) 20:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- Let me be blunt, chummer: Were it not for your interesting contributions history, accusations of bias against one of THE most neutral administrators I know, and your harassment of Tothwolf and SarekOfVulcan, I wouldn't have interposed myself. However, I was here when H got chased off and JVM attempted to escalate his harassment. I don't want to see any more legit editors leaving the project because someone took undue interest in them, as you have.
- It is because you have such a history that I'm even bothering to call you out. All I see in that contribs history, in between category removals, is pestering other users, including taking an unhealthy interest in Toth and SOV, accusing GWH of not being neutral, and, recently, butting into my business with an unrelated user. You are not innocent by a long shot, TSC; if you keep denying it asking for diffs you will regret asking for them. -Jeremy (v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!) 20:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
- So yes, you are right, Tothwolf, this should have nothing to do with you. You and I have had no recent interactions until you came to this page. This is about Jeske Couriano hounding me. You don't need to respond to this any further because we have nothing else to discuss. I am currently gathering diffs of Jeske's abuse (e.g. [[1]], but if any of them involve you, I'll make sure to say "a user" instead of your name. I have no intention of further communicating with you. Thanks. Theserialcomma (talk) 20:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Time For Yet Another Run
On Monday, 7 September, our esteemed colleague, User:Magioladitis put WPBiography banners on approximately 10,000 talk pages according to his note on Category talk:Biography articles without listas parameter. As a result, the category grew by over 13,000. I have taken care of "Q", "X" and everything after "Z". I am working on "Z" as it has fewer article that does "V" which was empty before the weekend. Many of the ones I have done have had a sort value on the article page.
Thank you.
- JimCubb (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's on my to-do list. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 17:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Histmerge list
Hi! What should be done with the entries where a copy-paste move was made, but both articles have since been deleted? Just remove them from the list? Or should they be merged regardless? I think the GFDL only concerns content that is actually used in the project. What do you think?
By the way, typing "Wikipedia:New histmerge list" every time is a pain, so I took the liberty of creating a shortcut at WP:NHML. Is that convenient or what? :P Jafeluv (talk) 10:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Works for me. As far as deleted articles, yeah, it happens...I think we can pretty safely ignore those, since they're technically no longer part of the project. Might not hurt to watchlist them, just in case they get undeleted as part of DRV or some other undeletion process. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 12:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
a user you previously interacted with
you once had a subpage about tothwolf's failure to agf and other potential transgressions. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Continued_wikistalking.2Fwikihounding_and_harassment_from_User:Miami33139 also see [[2]].
i feel that he has this long pattern of this type of behavior. perhaps you have access to the subpage still to see. Theserialcomma (talk) 08:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not going to get involved in it. I can't seem to win on that front, and I don't have the energy to deal with it. However, if you can find an uninvolved admin that thinks it would be helpful to have that available, then they have my permission to undelete it for you. It's still stored in the database (at User:Mikaey/Tothwolf), it just needs to be undeleted. Thanks, Mikaey, Devil's advocate 03:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- I still had you talk page watchlisted and saw User:Theserialcomma's attempt to involve themselves in something that does not involve them. You might also want to be aware of this attempt by Theserialcomma to start trouble in this area. [3] There are some other diffs, but unless Theserialcomma decides to have a go at making trouble again (they know they aren't innocent), I have no reason to bring them forward. Theserialcomma does need to be aware that I have everything saved from the last time they stirred up trouble, including an AN/I report that I never posted. --Tothwolf (talk) 06:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- quit showing up in ANI for the same reasons you harassed me (someone votes against you in an AFD and you claim they are stalking you), and i will stop noticing. mikaey, please undelete this page. this trend of tothwolf's behavior is now affecting up to 4 separate editors, unrelated editors in the past week. my only involvement is reading about it on ANI Theserialcomma (talk) 17:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Harassed you? The way I seem to remember it, You got your knickers in a twist over my pointing out your attempt to further escalate the situation surrounding the YTCracker AfDs.
- After which you began a massive campaign of wikistalking/wikihounding up to filing a false claim of COI on COI/N and a false SPI report against me (which you have a history of doing to other editors with whom you have a dispute with) and following me around reverting my edits and nominating things for AfD. I have all the links right here and we can certainly do a full report if you are really intent on dredging this up. I had hoped after you were warned and told repeatedly to disengage and to leave me alone that you had decided to let things be however these recent actions of yours seem to indicate otherwise.
Mikaey, if you or another impartial admin need these links for any reason, I'm happy to provide them, just let me know.
--Tothwolf (talk) 20:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- quit showing up in ANI for the same reasons you harassed me (someone votes against you in an AFD and you claim they are stalking you), and i will stop noticing. mikaey, please undelete this page. this trend of tothwolf's behavior is now affecting up to 4 separate editors, unrelated editors in the past week. my only involvement is reading about it on ANI Theserialcomma (talk) 17:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- I still had you talk page watchlisted and saw User:Theserialcomma's attempt to involve themselves in something that does not involve them. You might also want to be aware of this attempt by Theserialcomma to start trouble in this area. [3] There are some other diffs, but unless Theserialcomma decides to have a go at making trouble again (they know they aren't innocent), I have no reason to bring them forward. Theserialcomma does need to be aware that I have everything saved from the last time they stirred up trouble, including an AN/I report that I never posted. --Tothwolf (talk) 06:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Tothwolf and the ANI thread, and according to Tothwolf... Miami33139, Joe Chill, JBSupreme, and I are all harassing/stalking him. this guy is out of control. Theserialcomma (talk) 21:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Miami33139 and JBsupreme, absolutely (and documented). Joe Chill I'm trying to AGF and think he may have just got caught up in Miami33139's actions. In your case, Theserialcomma, you've been butting in each time you've seen my username somewhere. Btw, Theserialcomma, I still have my webserver logs from your attempt at outing me and can provide those if someone ever requests them. --Tothwolf (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- so you think that threatening to reveal my supposed IP is somehow going to help you? or are you just threatening me to try to scare me? or what? how would you ever prove that IP is mine? you need to seriously just act proper and no one will complain about you further. stop involving me in this drama immediately with your threats and nonsense. i am 100% uninterested in interacting with you on any level. if you continue to harass people by claiming false harassment, and it comes to my attention, I will point the proper people in the right direction to see your history. as for you personally, i don't want to talk to you in any way. you can keep your creepy and fake IP logs. no need to respond here further because i'm uninterested in your threats or drama Theserialcomma (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Mikaey, Tothwolf states that User:Mikaey/Tothwolf "contains nothing that is unavailable in my contributions"[[4]]; however, I don't believe this to be true. i think you had added your own comments to the page, and so therefore there is information available in that page that is not available in tothwolf's contributions. Further, tothwolf states "It was deleted because it contains a fair number of errors and inaccuracies and was woefully incomplete"[[5]]. would you consider this to be an accurate assessment of the content and the reason it was deleted? thanks. Theserialcomma (talk) 04:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- [6]
- Woefully incomplete, yes, but only because I didn't have the patience to go back through all of Tothwolf's contributions. And yes, as Fabrictramp pointed out, it contains my interpretation of things, but I believe that my errors were at a minimum. Was that why it was deleted? No, not at all. It was deleted because another admin pointed out to me that having such a page in my userspace could make it look like I had a mission against him. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 03:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
A belated congratulations
Hello Mikaey :) I haven't really been active on Wikipedia for the past few months. I just noticed you managed to attain adminship. Congratulations! Not bad for 4 months since your last RfA Neutralle 11:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)