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Can you possibly put semi protection to Megan Young article so that only auto confirmed users can edit this biography? I can only see IP addresses of the editors in the edit history. Thank you. [[User:Marktanoja78|greenmarktea78]] ([[User talk:Marktanoja78|talk]]) 15:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC) |
Can you possibly put semi protection to Megan Young article so that only auto confirmed users can edit this biography? I can only see IP addresses of the editors in the edit history. Thank you. [[User:Marktanoja78|greenmarktea78]] ([[User talk:Marktanoja78|talk]]) 15:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:: "Changes must be reviewed before being displayed on this page"? Hmmmm. Let me see if this approach works. Mark, I noticed you made an edit to [[Megan Young]] on December 2nd at 17:03, which alleges that anons like myself are Persistent Vandals. From my reading of [[WP:PROVEIT]], it looks like any edit challenged, or likely to be challenged, requires some sort of evidence. I challenge your edits that day. :-) I don't insist on the BBC, or even a blog, but can you at least point to some logfile which documents those dern persistent visigoths that allegedly keep invading this article in mainspace? I didn't see any slobbering horde in the edit-history. HTH. |
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:: p.s. As you may have guessed, I don't believe enWiki and deWiki should be twinkies. I also don't think one visigoth per month is "persistent" enough of a vandal to force us to violate our mission-statement. p.p.s. If you reply, and I don't respond promptly, please ping my talkpage. You can also ask Marktanoja to join us if you like, of course. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.84.101|74.192.84.101]] ([[User talk:74.192.84.101|talk]]) 23:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC) |
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== Abhinav Girdhar Deletion == |
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Berkeley Hall School
Dear Mark, I am writing to you with regards to deletion and redirection of the Berkeley Hall School wikipedia article. Berkeley Hall School is the oldest coeducational school in Los Angeles which was founded 102 years ago (in 1911). The fact that it was the first and oldest co-ed school in Los Angeles with it's history makes it a notable school and I believe that an article should be dedicated to it. --Azakeri (talk) 20:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Can you offer evidence that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources? Mark Arsten (talk) 22:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Incidentally, I hope something close to "university" is meant by "school", here, otherwise the claims seems somewhat implausible too! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:40, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Mark, I have gathered a list of the evidence required:
- Oldest coed private school in Los Angeles – Founded 1911
- Centennial celebration covered by Patch.com (links on deleted article)
- Centennial celebration attended by Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa
- Proclamation awarded by the City of Los Angeles on the 100th Anniversary of BHS (Link to document)
- Accredited by the California Association of Independent Schools (Link to BHS page on California Association of Independent Schools)
- Accredited by the National Association of Independent Schools
- Accredited by the Western Association of Schools & Colleges
- Accredited by the Western Association of Schools & Colleges
- Notably high diversity for a Los Angeles independent school – 41% by NAIS (National Association of Independent Schools) standards
- Notable alumni: Val Kilmer
- BHS Art teacher Tracy Cheney just named Outstanding Elementary Visual Art Educator for 2013 by the California Art Education Association.
- Hi Mark, I have gathered a list of the evidence required:
--Azakeri (talk) 18:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, but can you offer evidence that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources? Think newspapers, books, magazines etc. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:45, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Appy Pie Deletion
Hi Mark. I see you're the one responsible for deleting the above mentioned article. I was the author of this page and if you see following references are from highly reputable news sources where journalists have featured mentions about the Company http://technorati.com/technology/cloud-computing/article/appy-pie-makes-making-an-app/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/04/16/appy-pie-launches-its-cloud-based-mobile-app-creation-tool-with-opentable-and-soundcloud-support/ http://www.veterinaryteambrief.com/article/it-time-app http://blog.mobpartner.com/2013/04/05/top-5-app-builders/ http://techcircle.vccircle.com/2013/08/29/diy-mobile-app-developing-platform-appy-pie-secures-10000-on-kickstarter/ http://yourstory.com/2013/04/mobile-app-building-platform-appy-pie-is-now-open-to-public-use-initial-thoughts/ Please advise me steps to recover this page? • Cxs107 (talk) 20:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, I suggest you create a well sourced draft in your userspace and then we can work from there. See WP:USERSPACEDRAFT for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello Mark, As Suggested I created a well sourced draft in my userspace and here is the link for your kind review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cxs107/sandbox/Appy_Pie. Now please advise me on next steps.• Cxs107 (talk) 2:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I guess the next step is to file a request for undeletion at deletion review: WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Sure, As suggested I filed a request for undeletion at deletion review and following is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Appy_Pie , Do we just wait Now? • Cxs107 (talk) 22:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.63.144.42 (talk)
- Sorry if I wasn't clear, but the request has to be filed at WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Time for a block
Can you look at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:212.9.8.161 reported by User:Moxy (Result: ) - Thank you -Moxy (talk) 00:25, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Looks like someone just beat me to it! Mark Arsten (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Request
Hi, can you please protect Alice (Avril Lavigne song) with expires two years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.171.178.130 (talk) 02:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- I don't like to protect pages long term like that usually. I tend to prefer short protections, at first, anyway. I've protected this page for one week. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
A cookie!
Blake Gripling (talk) 06:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Glad to help :) Mark Arsten (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Another Request
Hi, I have a request, and I'm not sure how else to place my requests in these regards. I see that you are busy on Wikipedia, so I thought I might get lucky if I ask you... I am trying to make my own User page. I haven't done much on it, just gave a few basics. But I don't know how to go further. Could you please help? I'm sure you will be able to see Freddie de Lange...
11:49, 14 November 2013 (South Africa) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freddie2012a (talk • contribs)
- Generally, the best way is to find a userpage of someone else that looks good, and try to copy how they made it. But changing the specifics of course. Are there any users whose pages look good to you? Mark Arsten (talk) 15:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Admin's Barnstar |
Thanks for all of the work you do at the perennially backlogged (before you get to it) WP:RFPP. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:06, 14 November 2013 (UTC) |
- You're welcome, it feels good to clear out a backlog like that! Mark Arsten (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Sock at work
Hi Mark: You blocked Moshiach101. It looks like he continues as Himynameismoshiach plastering the same slogan/s on the Hanukkah page. Thanks again for all your help, IZAK (talk) 17:20, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, looks like the same user. I've blocked him. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
DO MORE THAN THAT!!! KILL HIM!!! I HATE SOCK PUPPETS!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adeptzare3 (talk • contribs) 04:23, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Admin's Barnstar |
Not only for having a sharp eye at the SPI, but also for all your work in general all over the place, all the time. Widr (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC) |
- You're welcome. And thank you too for all the work you do around the wiki. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
A sockpuppet
Hey, do not mean to bother, I just know your online frequently, but yesterday IP address User:187.109.228.3 was blocked for disruptive editing and today the same person returned under IP address User:187.109.228.4. Notice the similarity in their edits and IP address. Notice both accouts immediatly remove warnings/notices on their talk pages [1], [2], they both WP:OVERLINK frequently and remove content from articles without giving a reason. Also making many edits in great succession to the exact same topics. Not sure if we need to do a range block yet, but if they return it might be necessary.STATic message me! 22:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I tried some rangeblock magic on 187.109.228.0/24. Let me know what else turns up. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not sure what happened, but 187.109.228.4 is back and recking havoc, adding factuly inccorect content, overlinking and removing references and content without giving a reason. STATic message me! 15:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Reverted my edit
Hi, you just reverted [3]. I'm not sure why. Please un-revert it or explain what I did wrong. Cheers. 80.195.244.108 (talk) 00:41, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: Never mind, you've explained on my talk page. Thanks! 80.195.244.108 (talk) 00:42, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Mega Dereio
I'm from Mega Dereio . I just do some updates the page but you didn't accept it. They're all true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.174.52.235 (talk) 00:48, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but as this is the English Wikipedia, we only allow text to be added in the English language. I'm sure there is a version of Wikipedia in your native language that you could contribute to though. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:50, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The annoying IP from ANI
Hi Mark, here's another article they've vandalised Historicity of Jesus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, good catch, I've semi'd it for a few days. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Tichester
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A tag has been placed on Tichester, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 04:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Note that I merely redirected the title, someone came along later and turned the redirect into an article. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:11, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Alright, works for me. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Is this Hounding?
Recently, I was involved in a sock-puppet dispute. I was wrong and you blocked my account for a week. I did paid editing and caused a lot of problem on Wikipedia, but I wasn't aware with the guidelines then. After my block has expired, I came back to edit Wikipedia, but an editor is hounding me.
I voted keep on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Q Mobile because I have a QMobile cell phone and because the company is very notable. Everybody else is voting keep, but as I voted keep, this user came and posted Comment the above editor is a sockpuppeteer and paid editor. [4] It is unclear whether he has WP:COI on this article.
I created The Future Project and he marked it as COI and tagged the article with multiple issues. I didn't take money to write this article. I read all the guidelines and read a lot of articles about non-profit organizations to make sure that I write what is accepted at Wikipedia and what I get is a COI tag. He put the sock-puppet investigation link on the talk page of the article. I'm sure that he didn't even bother reading the article before tagging it.
I agree that I was wrong for making multiple accounts and doing paid editing. I did actually apologize to another user who had to do a lot of work to fix things from my horrible editing. But now this is unwarranted. I am feeling humiliated, specially because of the comment made by this user on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Q Mobile. Am I not allowed to edit Wikipedia any more? I just came to you because you blocked my account and I didn't know anyone else to go to.Muhammad Ali Khalid (talk) 14:45, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I left a message on the Afd. If he keeps it up you can report him to WP:ANI. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response. Can I remove the COI tag on The Future Project now?Muhammad Ali Khalid (talk)
- I wouldn't recommend doing that yourself, maybe go to WP:3O with the issue? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response. Can I remove the COI tag on The Future Project now?Muhammad Ali Khalid (talk)
What Harrasment ? I demand a understandable answer.
I want a specific answer to why I was blocked for harrasment.--MRivera25 (talk) 16:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)MRivera25
- You were blocked for this edit. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:31, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
It seems some one is angry on you
Don't what was the intention of this User:75.171.195.138. Has removed contents that belongs to you. -- L o g X 18:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- About 1800 people are angry with me :) Mark Arsten (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
2013 Owner
Dude, you blocked the account of the brand new owner of Wikipedia! He said he was going to upgrade my account "for brand new amazing features" and put money on my credit card because I'm so great on Wikipedia! You owe me, Mark Arsten, you owe me... Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- lol, sorry about that! Mark Arsten (talk) 20:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- WT*
-- L o g X 20:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:42, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- WT*
AfD comments
Thanks for your comments here. I respect your contributions to WP and I thought your comments were nuanced and basically right on. I will keep these points in mind. With that said, if no one had been "following him around," you would have never blocked him. He would still be sockpuppeting, writing spammy articles, and lying to fellow editors to cover up his COI. As for what he will do in the future, your guess is as good as mine. Cheers. Logical Cowboy (talk) 00:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, all I meant was that you didn't have to leave a disclaimer after ever edit he makes. It's fine to observe him to make sure he's adhering to community standards. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, you are right, thanks. Logical Cowboy (talk) 00:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry
You may see that I rolled back one of your edits a few minutes ago. That was a completely inadvertent misclick and I've reverted your edit back in. Sorry for any inconvenience. Newyorkbrad (talk) 07:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't notice, but thanks for the note! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Removal of reliably sourced content
User:Haldraper has three times removed reliably sourced content.
He also misrpresents the consensus on the talk page. which was to remove it from the first sentence, not from the entire introduction. I left a message on his talk page but he did not reply. Whats the best way forward? Pass a Method talk 11:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, it sounds like WP:AN3 might be a viable option if he keeps reverting. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Perri Reid
Hello. You locked Perri Reid. You said IP edit warring which I think refers to me. If you look at the talk page I am trying to discuss the edits. summerphd feels she owns the page and wont accept any one else contributions. summerreverts to its version. I feel until there is consensus it is best that you clear the page and just have on it that Perri Reid was an 80s pop/RB singer. To save her version--which is disputed-- over mine and others I feel is bias. Thank You. 65.205.13.26 (talk) 15:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- I suggest you try to get more input from other editors on the talk page. You could ask for help at WP:BLPN, WP:3O, or on the talk page of a relevant wikiproject. Or you could hold a talk page WP:RFC about the disputed content. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Deletion of page GoldCoin - Discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Goldcoin
Result you found was against general consensus...
In your reason you state "The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:57, 9 November 2013 (UTC)"
When in fact the general consensus was to keep the page.
Please explain yourself and why you purposefully and unilaterally closed a discussion in minority favor despite Wikipedia criteria.
And if you will argue something about notability please look at the following list of cryptocurrencies and note that several currencies have pages that have lower marketcaps than the one in question.. Not to mention that there are currencies on that list that are simple litecoin and bitcoin clones with virtually no improvement over them whereas GoldCoin is the first proof of work currency to have virtual immunity to majority hashpower style attacks. This alone makes it more notable than the previous currencies.
Also I believe there is some bias on your part as towards what is and what isn't notable,
For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_warp_(science_fiction)
Has only one reference, but this is deemed enough to keep the page with a citation needed notice...
It's important to understand that in the portal of cryptocurrency GoldCoin is extremely notable even though this may not be the case in the general public, it is notable within the context that it applies to.
Similarly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protostar is notable to astronomers.. but not necessarily the general public.. It also has few references and yet is not marked for deletion nor is there a citation notice.
Unless you have substantial proof that the article reads like an advertisement or promotion I recommend the article be restored.
- Well, consensus in deletion discussions is not determined by how many people vote for keeping vs how many people vote for deletion. Consensus is determined by the strength of the arguments made by the participants in the discussion. In this case, the supporters of deletion argued convincingly that the subject had not received significant coverage in reliable sources. Although many people supported keeping the article, they did not provide evidence of significant coverage, thus limiting the strength of their argument. Let me know if you have any questions, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Regardless of what arguments where made, I still don't see how the article warrants deletion... would not vague citations tags along with a notability tag be sufficient until the article was cleaned up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Notability
From what I can gather no where near enough time was provided for the participants who helped write the article to establish proper notability. I suggest we give them more time.
Will you consider restoring the page provided a notability tag be attached? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefifthlord (talk • contribs) 19:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- When there is a consensus in an Afd that an article is not notable, we delete the article. It doesn't matter how much time we give it, if there is not significant coverage in reliable sources it should be deleted. If you can offer evidence of significant coverage, I may be able to undelete the article though. Or you can apply to have the deletion overturned at WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:45, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Mark Arsten, I see you keep stating that“…the supporters of deletion argued convincingly that the subject had not received significant coverage in reliable sources.” U repeated yourself when u said, “…if there is not significant coverage in reliable sources it should be deleted.” However, there are plenty of extremely reliable sources that were provided. In other words the real question is who is deciding what is “significant coverage in reliable sources” and what isn’t. Here is a link to the GoldCoin Official Repository https://github.com/goldcoin/gldcoin where you will find detailed information about what the program is and what it is actually doing. Here is a quick explanation “GoldCoin (GLD) - an improved version of Litecoin using scrypt as a proof of work scheme. • 2.5 minute block targets up till block 45000 • 2 minute block targets there after • 504 blocks per difficulty re GoldCoin (GLD) - an improved version of Litecoin using scrypt as a proof of work scheme. • 2.5 minute block targets up till block 45000 • 2 minute block targets there after • 504 blocks per difficulty retarget up to block 45000 • 60 blocks per difficulty retarget thereafter • target up to block 45000 • 60 blocks per difficulty retarget thereafter“ You can also contact the developers of this program at http://gldcoin.com/contact-us/ who would be more than happy to explain their work to you ;) Nihondino (talk) 04:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)nihondino
- I'm sure it's a great program, but that's kind of a red herring here. Whether something is ingenious or junk doesn't affect its notability. What we look for is coverage by established sources that are independent of the subject, i.e. newspapers, magazines, etc. If you can point some of those out to me, there's a chance the article could be undeleted. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Notable enough yet to restore the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefifthlord (talk • contribs) 18:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- That is certainly a reliable source, but I think it's only trivial coverage, not significant coverage. Seems like it would be best mentioned on a list of currencies or something. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:33, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
I see, would you humor me then and remove any/all of the pages for coins that are on that list but don't fit the "extensive coverage" requirement? Seems a bit biased to remove just goldcoin and not ,for example, anoncoin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.175.227.84 (talk) 00:31, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- I have nominated a couple similar pages for deletion, so I wasn't just picking on one article. I haven't looked at the page on anoncoin, but it is possible that it should be deleted. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Challenge Deletion of Article: Peter Pakeman
Hi Mark, I’ve revisited the criteria for an athlete in Wikipedia:Notability (sports) and would like to challenge to the decision and have the it reversed, because I'm confident that the subject of the article meets one or more of Wiki’s notability requirements: (1) Association football (soccer); and (2) Amateur sports person/ College athlete. Clearly, the subject of the article is not a super-star. He is not famous or popular. His professional career was brief, similar to the subjects of other Wikipedia articles, where their notability was as brief and where, in some cases, a single link or reference is provided. However, unlike the subjects of other articles, the article about my subject provides references about his success over a period of approximately 10-15 years. In your deliberations I would ask that you keep in mind the saying that “the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.” Below are the relevant criteria and explanations about how the subject of my article meets the criteria.
Association football (soccer) - Players who have appeared in a fully professional league (list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football), will generally be regarded as notable. EXPLANATION- The subject of the article was a call-up, and played three games with the North York Rockets in the Canadian Soccer League (CSL). Youth players are not notable unless they satisfy one of the statements above. EXPLANATION- As an amateur (youth), the subject of the article played with the Toronto Falcons and Toronto Italia in the National Soccer League (NSL), a professional soccer league in Canada that existed from 1926 to 1997. In 1977 and 1978, he played with the Toronto Jets, a farm team to the Toronto Falcons and Toronto Italia. During those years he was called-up to play on the parent teams. Amateur sports persons- College athletes are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other coverage. EXPLANATION- In his senior year (1983), the subject of the article he received an individual award at the national level, by being selected to play at the ISAA Senior Soccer Bowl Classic, a forum where top college soccer players could compete in an all-star game and where professional soccer scouts could come to see America's best players. Both the NCCA and the ISAA also have longstanding roots in sports. However, unlike the NCAA, which has its roots in rowing and football, the ISSA, which was founded in 1926, was created for and supported soccer, only. The first NCCA, All-American award/selection occurred in 1973, a year after the first ISAA the Senior Soccer Bowl Classic game was played. While the NCAA All-American award may be more widely recognized, individuals selected to play in the ISAA the Senior Soccer Bowl Classic were also being recognized at the national level. Notwithstanding the fact that the some of the article's references came under scrutiny, they were credible/ non-trivial sources related to the subject: playing with the North York Rockets in the Canadian Soccer League (CSL); and being recognized at the national-level by playing in the ISAA the Senior Soccer Bowl Classic.
Note #1: The subject of the article assures me that he is confident he can obtain the appropriate permission for the recently deleted reference that confirms he played with the North York Rockets.
Note #2: The subject of the article also assures me that another reference can be provided to confirm his selection to playing in the ISAA the Senior Soccer Bowl Classic.)Xave2000 (talk) 18:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, first of all, you have to provide sources to back up your claims. Can you do so? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Most of these references were already present in the article. The reference to him playing with the North York Rockets was called in question, and removed (see Note #1).Xave2000 (talk) 01:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Mark (and Xave) - Pakeman never played in a fully professional league so he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. He also appears to fail WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 09:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- The Canadian Soccer League (CSL) is a fully professional soccer league, and it is listed under Canada (incl. North York Rockets). I just checked it and the CSL exists, so I'm not sure why this is being raised as an issue. You can check for yourself.Xave2000 (talk) 22:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- One of the criteria for NFOOTBALL (soccer) is: "2. Players who have played... in a fully professional league". As previously mentioned, the reference to him playing with the North York Rockets was called in question, and removed (see Note #1).Xave2000 (talk) 22:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- It would be helpful to know why a CSL publication would not be viewed as a reliable and independent source. I would also ask for some feedback on his notability as an Amateur (College Athlete)-- here, again, it would be helpful to know why one or more of the many references provided would not be viewed as reliable and independent. Please note that I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm simply trying to understand. Thank you.Xave2000 (talk) 22:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- So where is the source that he played in the CSL? Mark Arsten (talk) 22:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- The reference was contained in the article. If you are able to access the article and the reference, you might want to search and find North York Rockets in Wikipedia, scroll to "References". As I understand it, Ref #1 was the main (static) publication for the team, and Ref #2 was an insert that served the purpose of providing soccer fans with up-to-date information about the team. Ref. #2 is the August 1987 insert, where you will find reference to the subject. As previously noted (see above for Note #1), this reference was called into question re: permissions and was deleted. Further, the subject of the article assures me that he is confident he can obtain the appropriate permission for the recently deleted reference that confirms he played with the North York Rockets. I am not in possession of Ref #2, so if you are able to access it, then great. Otherwise, I will have to ask the subject to get a copy to you.Xave2000 (talk) 22:37, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I checked the deleted revisions of article but couldn't find a full text of the reference. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- I will contact the subject and have him help you find it.Xave2000 (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- The location of the text where I am named is in the third paragraph under the section, ROCKET UPDATE.InPerpetuity (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- The third paragraph of which document? Mark Arsten (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- The North York Rockets Program Insert, August 1987 that was recently deleted. InPerpetuity (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if I haven't made myself clear here, but I need you to link me to a document that clearly confirms this. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- I understand your request. Above, Xave2000 is trying to tell you that the reference document (i.e., the North York Rockets Program Insert, August 1987) originally uploaded to Wiki was recently deleted from Wiki. It is within this same deleted documented (i.e., the North York Rockets Program Insert, August 1987) where I am named. The broken link for the reference document still exists and can be found if you search for the Wikipedia article on the North York Rockets. If you are unable to access the deleted/archived document then I could email a version to you.InPerpetuity (talk) 18:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark. I'm checking back to see if you were successful with obtaining the archived version of the the North York Rockets Program Insert, August 1987 recently deleted from Wiki. If not, then please let me know how I can get a copy to you. Thanks for your efforts.InPerpetuity (talk) 17:14, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- The location of the text where I am named is in the third paragraph under the section, ROCKET UPDATE.InPerpetuity (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Why make Mark's life hard. The deleted pdf seems to be File:North York Rockets Program Insert (August 1987).pdf and it was less hard to find than to wade through the clues. If you want help please make the person you ask's life easy. Fiddle Faddle 17:26, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- I see where it says he was called on a three-game trial for the Rockets, but I don't see where it confirms that he actually saw playing time. You might want to contact an admin from the soccer wikiproject to check as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:57, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- My apologies for not being more specific. I am not trying to make anyone's life difficult. You are correct in what you read; however, it is unlikely that extensive statistics on players (e.g., games played) were ever prepared-- none that I've come across. That being said, if Wiki's position is that confirmation of a player actually seeing playing time is required, then none of the players identified in the Official Program (File:North York Rockets Official Program (1987).pdf, for example, or any other CSL team for that matter would be considered notable, unless of course they happened to score a goal, for example, where basic statistics such as this might be more readily available).InPerpetuity (talk) 21:47, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Europium
You recently reverted some vandalism to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europium, but missed some in the Europium as a nuclear fission product section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.80.25 (talk) 19:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think that might actually be on a template or something, I'm not seeing it in the article itself. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, it seems to be gone now... how strange. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Natalee Holloway Talk/FAR
On the FAR you said "I've reviewed the article and the comments here and have concluded that this FAR is completely meritless" and also "Animosity ... also seems to be motivating some of the above comments". I had quoted the main editor on the page: "(redacted quote, Overagainst)"
He decided to leave that on the talk archive, and stood by it as representative of his sense of humour. You may have had thought it poor form of me to bring that up. Yet when Anthonyhcole (who had a lot of hard work ahead of him) was a bit mocking and disrespectful about another editor you slapped him down hard on the Talk page, then judged him very harshly: "In my experience, few good-faith editors begin their involvement with a dispute by announcing their intent to mock the other participants."
Etiquette is a means, not an end in itself. Keeping everything serene on talk pages is desirable to produce better articles, sure. (It's also good tactics, I regret some of my remarks.) But most important is keeping the article encyclopedic about real people in the real world who are not hiding behind pseudonyms. The lack of drama at the 'Death of Gareth Williams' may be because there is nothing there about his parent's private lives (though newspaper coverage critical of them of them has appeared). While an editor's etiquette on talk pages is indeed relevant to the quality of his edits, BLP issues ought not to be judged simply by determining who is being most disrespectful about another editor .Overagainst (talk) 21:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, your concerns have been noted. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
- There is some concern over that quote so I have taken the liberty of redacting my first comment, if that is OK. There is a discussion of the matter at BLP Noticeboard here.Overagainst (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- This seems to be getting further and further from a discussion of the content of the actual article... Mark Arsten (talk) 21:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- There is some concern over that quote so I have taken the liberty of redacting my first comment, if that is OK. There is a discussion of the matter at BLP Noticeboard here.Overagainst (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
List of aircraft carriers in service
I have another editor opposing Enok edit, so I shouldn't need your assistance. Thanks anyway, Rob (talk) 21:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
afd closings
On the log for Nov 10, I'd guess you started at the top, not the bottom, and ignored the time stamps, as of course you know that except for explicit SNOW or speedy, 7 days = 7 times 24 hours, not the beginning of the 7th day. (I do not have any objection to any of the actual closings). DGG ( talk ) 05:18, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- To be honest, I don't agree. If the outcome is clear, I don't think it matters if it has not been exactly 168 hours since the discussion was opened. If it has only been 165 hours but the outcome is clear, what is the harm of closing it then? I'll make sure I work from the bottom of the list in the future though. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:46, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- Also, if you can point me to a discussion where there was a solid consensus behind an exact 168 hour rule, I will certainly abide by that. But looking at the WT:AFD archives here and here I don't see a solid support for that. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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Adeptzare3 (talk): Why were my edits to 91730738691298 considered vandalism?
- The text of the article was "In base 36, 91730738691298 is WIKIPEDIA." That is not a helpful contribution. Articles in Wikipedia should be about notable subjects, not just random facts one has learned. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Adeptzare3 (talk): All right, but you shouldn't have considered it vandalism. —Preceding undated comment added 00:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- My apologies if you were offended by my remark. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Would you please look at this archival
I suspect you left a line or two off when you archived Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PrincessKannapolis. I could probably have made a decent fist of adding it, but I think this is an area of Wikipedia where the well meaning editor is best speaking to the archiving admin instead. It seems to me that the link does not link to the archived case. Fiddle Faddle 09:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, good catch, I'll blame that on a script error. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- It seems to be showing up now, oddly enough. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Request page unprotection
I wanted to suggest you that this page Singh Saab the Great should be unprotected because it is a very small stub , and chances should be given to the users who are not autoconfirmed to provide content for this page. If it is possible then please unprotect it so that more content can be added on this page. --Param Mudgal (talk) 12:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- The protection should expire shortly, I believe. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Really good work against vandalism! Keep it up! :D Vapenhandelkosovo (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC) |
- You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
This has been vandalized for a long time. Is longer protection necessary? --George Ho (talk) 00:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, I'll take another look through the history later. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
KITTEH
I gives yuh kitteh!
Vapenhandelkosovo (talk) 08:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Deletion Review: Carol Kicinski
Hi Mark, I wrote to you last week about the Carol Kicinski article. I read your reply about needing additional sources and I'd like to request that you open the article back up so I may go in and add some more sources. During the time that I was first writing the article I had a few other projects I was working on and I wasn't able to pay as much attention to the sources and other information in the article but I recently found about 8 more sources and I'd like a chance to add them to the article to see if that improves it. Also, I'd like to combine the Carol Kicinski article with two others that I've been working on and that should also help add additional sources and notoriety as well. I would greatly appreciate the chance to improve this article, as I mentioned before this is my first article and I'd like to get it right.
Thank you, --M.Renae (talk) 15:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- So what are the sources that you'd like to use? Mark Arsten (talk) 17:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Here are some of the links I'd like to add:
http://www.celiaccentral.org/NFCA-s-10th-Anniversary/10-Years-of-NFCA-Personal-Stories/10-Years-of-NFCA-Personal-Stories/925/vobid--10025/ (shows she is in with the NFCA, a major organization in the gluten free & celiac world)
http://wholesomesweeteners.com/Recipes/FeaturedChefs/featuredchefrecipes/tabid/178/UserId/68/Carol-Kicinski.aspx (shows that she does recipe development for them)
http://www.americanpistachios.org/users/carol-kicinski(shows recipe development)
http://www.san-j.com/carolkicinski.asp(shows recipe development)
http://www.oregonlive.com/foodday/index.ssf/2011/07/with_a_nut_crust_mascarpone_be.html (book review written by Oregonian)
http://tbo.com/dining/dunedin-author-offers-recipes-for-gluten-free-goodies-243413 (book review written by Tampa Tribune)
http://www.tonawanda-news.com/feature/x1909739832/SIMPLY-GLUTEN-FREE-Get-ready-for-football-season-with-a-delicious-dip (shows that she has been published in newspapers, this is one of her published articles in the Tonawanda News in New York, I have at least 5 more links for different articles that she's had published)
http://gfafwellnesspresentations.blogspot.com/ (shows her as a presenter for the Gluten & Allergen Free Wellness Event)
http://www.youtube.com/user/simplyglutenfree (Shows her Daytime TV show segments. I know this is content posted by her company, but the videos are from Daytime TV. This is an important source in establishing her notability because one of the main ways she is known is from this syndicated show. I would use Daytime's website for this instead but they update their site so often with new clips so if I put a link to one of Carol's clips it might not show up later when someone goes to visit the site)
Let me know what you think. I'm still looking for more in the meantime. Thanks, --M.Renae (talk) 18:50, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, the only sources there that look good for notability purposes are the two book reviews. Can you find more like them? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I also found this one: http://www.northjersey.com/food_dining/051811_In_Your_Kitchen_Salted_Peanut_Caramel_Brownies.html
What about the different food company websites like Wholesome Sweeteners? Those show that she does recipe development. And the Daytime shows can't be used either? It's sometimes difficult to find tons of sources out there because gluten-free is still a pretty new niche market and there are only so many sources out there. She has been published in newspapers and magazines, is on TV and she is also the editor-in-chief of a national magazine, I can prove all those things with the sources I provided on the article and that I just listed above, but I understand they might not be considered independent of her but again that's sort of difficult as it's still a growing market. I could show you a physical copy of the magazine or the online edition to show she is the editor-in-chief, but that is from her company's site so that might not be approved either. I also have some physical sources (books, magazines, etc.) that might not be available online, is there a way to show those? --M.Renae (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Here are a few more I have:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/dining/gluten-free-dishes-become-a-lot-more-tempting.html?_r=0
http://eastvillage.thelocal.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/a-guide-to-gluten-free-eating/
http://dunedin.patch.com/groups/around-town/p/dunedin-womans-cookbook-features-gluten-free-desserts
— Preceding unsigned comment added by M.Renae (talk • contribs) 19:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I suggest you file a request for undeletion at WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Recent socking
Hey, Mark. Thanks for cleaning up the dirty sock drawer. I am pretty certain that Mrwallace05 is indef blocked User:Plant's Strider. Will the old CUs on PS confirm this, or will I need to open another SPI? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 18:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, you could try filing a new SPI, but the data on him may be stale at this point since he hasn't edited in a while. How certain are you about the behavioral similarities? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I was under the impression that because PS had been CUed before, that the IP info stays on file. Is that not correct? As far as behavior, well Mrwallace05 has been careful not to say too much in talk or in edit summaries, but they have 20 pages in common with PS and Y45ed has 24 pages in common. I am pretty certain that either this is yet another PS sock, or the sock master wants it to look like it is. Any thoughts? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 19:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks like it may be worth filing an SPI then. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- If PS has an IP on file from his last CU, can that be compared to the recent CU on Mrwallace05? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 19:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- We're getting "above my pay grade" at this point... I don't know too many technical details about how the checkuser software works. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Right on, I've asked the Check User clerk the same question. Thanks again for your help. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 19:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- No prob. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Right on, I've asked the Check User clerk the same question. Thanks again for your help. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 19:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- We're getting "above my pay grade" at this point... I don't know too many technical details about how the checkuser software works. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- If PS has an IP on file from his last CU, can that be compared to the recent CU on Mrwallace05? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 19:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks like it may be worth filing an SPI then. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I was under the impression that because PS had been CUed before, that the IP info stays on file. Is that not correct? As far as behavior, well Mrwallace05 has been careful not to say too much in talk or in edit summaries, but they have 20 pages in common with PS and Y45ed has 24 pages in common. I am pretty certain that either this is yet another PS sock, or the sock master wants it to look like it is. Any thoughts? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 19:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, we haven't got a chance to meet but I was wondering what happened to the SPI since it got closed and archived rather quickly. Thanks! Baseball Watcher 23:14, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I closed it because it did not appear likely that one person was controlling both accounts. Since they separately wrote articles about different students at the same school almost simultaneously, it seems much more likely to me that they're friends rather than one person controlling both accounts. If they keep editing and get involved on the same subject, we should reevaluate though. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- I just wish I had a chance to put forth more of an explanation before it was closed Baseball Watcher 03:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, feel free to explain more if you like. Or let me know if anything else turns up. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- I just wish I had a chance to put forth more of an explanation before it was closed Baseball Watcher 03:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey Mark, This file has not been deleted yet and it has been more than seven days. 63.92.231.105 (talk) 00:15, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Might want to ask someone else, I don't do much disputed non-free work. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:12, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry!
I was using huggle app to warn to revert the ips unconstructive edits and it said your warning was less issued then seconds agof. so I decided to manually warn the Ip not knowing I accidently warned you. Dont worry I undid it. Dreth 00:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- No worries, I figured that's what it was :) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
My friend Nvvchar wanted to move User:Nvvchar/sandbox/Puloma to Puloma, but inadvertently created Wikipedia:Puloma and User:Puloma. Can you please delete the latter two and merge the history for Puloma. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 03:56, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think I got it... let me know if something's not right. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC
- Thanks for the prompt response.--Redtigerxyz Talk 04:15, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Miss_Universe_2014*
You salted Miss Universe 2014*, I think because a page was being repeatedly recreated at that title. Could you unsalt it so I can redirect it to Miss Universe 2014 (or redirect it yourself if you'd prefer), it got 3,810 views on Sunday. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I misread the statistics, it got 3,810 views last week, not on Sunday. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Done Mark Arsten (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
User ip 111.243.34.140
Hi, please notice , this User ip 111.243.34.140 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/111.243.34.140 , Vandalism a lot of article, please stop it , thank you Buglerazedg21dnlole (talk) 12:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, in most cases accounts should be given a warning before they're blocked. Is there a good reason to block without warning here? Mark Arsten (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- The IP isn't vandalizing, by the way. Just very, very strong POV-pushing on the Republic of China/Taiwan issue amongst a fair few pages. Might be an IP-sock of someone, as all they seem to do is reverting other people's edits. Which, in combination with a highly sensitive subject and the strong POV pushing, raises some flags for me. Could be wrong, of course, as I haven't dug deep enough to say whether they likely are or not, though, just enough to see it's a possibility. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 17:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Johnstown
Mark, explain how my edits on Johnstown, Navan were nonconstructive. I don't see what was wrong with them. Please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.228.18 (talk) 01:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, you referred to a team as "GAAY", so I thought you were insulting them. Is this actually a gay team? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thanks for all of the work you do on Wikipedia! Clarkcj12 (talk) 01:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC) |
- Thanks! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:54, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Crossdressing
Hi mark can you please explain how my crossdressing edit was disruptive I was. Just making a statement saying that was a fetish and used for fun by males ? Nikigoyal (talk) 01:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't revert that edit, actually. It was automatically reverted by a bot here. The bot occasionally makes mistakes, so you can restore your text if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
DANCING IN THE MOON LIGHT EVERYBODY'S FEELING WARM AND BRIGHT IT'S SUCH A FINE AN NATURAL SIGHT EVERYBODY'S DANCING IN THE MOONLIGHT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.228.18 (talk) 01:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Request to Check Article
I would like to request you look at this articles history page College of Engineering and Management, Kolaghat. If you look at it there are two accounts there. User:Jecob8888 and User:Jecob88888 I am not sure but would that be counted as edit warring, or what because they have similar usernames and by doing that they prevent other people from editing the article. As what there auto undoing is that it keeps blanking a section and back. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Odd... I've protected it for now, could you leave a note on their talk pages explaining the situation to them? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will do that. But what kind of message should it be? Edit warring? --Clarkcj12 (talk) 02:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, Edit warring/BRD/Talk page, and maybe ask why the usernames are almost the same. If you don't mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- I just noticed that User:Jecob8888 just made an edit to User:Jecob88888 userpage which you may want to take a look at? --Clarkcj12 (talk) 03:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, Edit warring/BRD/Talk page, and maybe ask why the usernames are almost the same. If you don't mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will do that. But what kind of message should it be? Edit warring? --Clarkcj12 (talk) 02:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks You --Clarkcj12 and Mark Arsten. I am User:Jecob8888 and was the main contributor to write College of Engineering and Management, Kolaghat. But User:Jecob88888 user is a false user to try to put some content that is not true. Every time the user try put notable alumni section with couple of alumni's name (Abir Chattopadhyay , Debartha Banerjee,Reema Mukherjee ,Sawon Pratiher ,Sabyasachi Mukhopadhyay ,Parichay Das , Rohit Samanta) . I think the college is very new and after doing some research I don't found anything notable for the mentioned alumnus. I think the User:Jecob88888 try self proclaim or glorify himself/herself. And I think he/she is one of the 7 person mentioned in notable alumni section. Every time I try to delete the section, next day he will revert back the section. So I request the admin to protect the page. —Preceding undated comment added 14:20, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've blocked him for impersonating your username. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Your RfPP pings
Hi there. I've just logged back in and seen that you pinged me yesterday. My view would be that we shouldn't be changing semi to TPE/full en masse, but that individual cases is fine if it fits whatever that admin's view of WP:HRT is. I think that's the consensus on the talk page as well. Personally, I look for at least 1000 transclusions, so I'd personally protect those two templates as they're both well over that. The templates were Template:Wikiproject Punk music/class and Template:IMDb episode, to save you having to look them up, if you're planning on changing them. :) GedUK 12:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for the note. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
SPI
Thanks for closing Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Miss.Dina Rae. But the question of overlap is still open: just before you closed it, User:Miss.Dina Rae marked her user page "Account disabled" [8], whatever that means. User:H.Mandem has been blocked as a sock of Miss.Dina Rae, but User:MariaHickment13 was blocked by another admin as a sock of User:MariaJaydHicky. User:Miss.Dina Rae, the subject of the SPI, hasn't been blocked yet. Are they all socks of MariaJaydHicky? Should the two SPIs be merged? Ruby Murray 20:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I dropped the ball there... I thought MDR was already indeffed. Fixed now. As to whether they're all socks of another named user, I can't answer. You'd have to ask the checkuser about that, all I'm going off of is what she posted on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Miss.Dina Rae. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
This article has so many reverts, including counting "accepted" revisions that reverted bad edits. --George Ho (talk) 21:25, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- I suggest you bring this up with the admin who applied pending changes to the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Is the snow fall heavy enough?
Please check out this AFD[9]....William 23:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm a little hesitant since someone was giving me a hard time over the weekend about early closures. This does look like it's heading for a clear SNOW though. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Vince is a Nice_guy
It's important for everyone to know that Vince Ness is a nice guy. The picture helps show that he is nice, because he's on the entry for "Nice guy." How else will everybody know he's nice? Well, I guess they could follow him on Twitter and learn how nice he is, but that seems unnecessary. We should just make sure to show everyone that he's nice right on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skibum8713 (talk • contribs) 01:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi, this is Vince. I am nice. I am a nice guy. I do not understand why I wouldn't be the photo for this page. I am very nice. Please correct this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.106.37.58 (talk) 01:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Very funny :) Mark Arsten (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
You seem to think this is all a joke, Mark. It's not. Vince is a nice guy and the world needs to know that. Laugh it up wherever you want to do so but Vince's niceness is no laughing matter. Please try to be more respectful with regards to the Nice Guy picture in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.244.174.242 (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Vince again. I am not laughing. I am nice and it is mean to laugh. What is funny here? Who is the joke on? You are confusing me, Mr. Arsten. Please, let's get back to the topic at hand- returning my picture to its rightful place on the Nice Guy Entry. I have had enough jokes for one day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.106.37.58 (talk) 00:36, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, but per our verifiability policy we need a reliable source to confirm that Vince is, in fact, a nice guy. He could be trying to trick us, no? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Good reads on Sockpuppets
In case you missed it, here are some articles on mass sockpuppets on Wikipedia that you could use in the future:
- A CBC news article (You could click listen)
- An Independent.co.uk article
Just wanted to share this with you since you contribute a lot on WP:SPI! ///EuroCarGT 03:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Interesting, thanks. I'll give them a read/listen. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Unclear clarifications
About closing this (which I appreciate), would you mind actually posting this allegedly clarified definition? Even though I know (from seeing this problem over and over) what Bbb23 is thinking, I think that the definition is just about as clear as mud. Ideally, I'd like to have this clarification posted directly in WP:EW.
If the clarified definition is the expansive one, then we need to give fair warning to people who engage in collaborative editing that this can get them blocked. If it's the narrower one, in which an actual revert (as in going back to a pre-existing version of a sentence) is is required, then the clarified definition will help rein in admins who have an unusually expansive concept. But if we don't post the clarification, then we're just going to have more grievances from people who didn't happen to have guessed what this bit of jargon means.
And, having said all that, if, after this conversation, you find yourself unable to write out an accurate definition and get people to agree to it, then I guess we didn't actually clarify it at all. I'm really hoping that won't prove to be the case. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, there's the technical definition of a revert ("undoing the effects of one or more edits") and then there's the commonly accepted definition of edit warring ("repeatedly overrid[ing] each other's contributions, rather than trying to resolve the disagreement by discussion"). I believe (and I think this is in line with how most of my fellow admins see things) that a number of technical reverts can take place without violating the spirit of the prohibition on edit warring. For example, it could happen while updating a page on a current event or copyediting a confusingly written article. If someone were to block an editor in one of these situations, I'd expect to see the block overturned. Edit warring blocks are only likely to gain consensus if the parties have chosen to pursue their disagreements by repeated reverting instead of discussion. I think this is how most admins go about deciding whether to block users. Does this clarify things? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- And then there's the one put forward by Bbb23 in that discussion, which is "Technically, any change, no matter how small to the text of an article, is a revert." I think that a reasonable person looking over that section is going to assume from your closing statement that you endorse his definition.
- Which means that, if your user talk page were an article, I'd be "reverting" you by posting this comment. So perhaps you would like to join me at Wikipedia talk:Edit warring#Definition of "Revert" and "Undo", and we'll see if we can come up with a definition of "reverting" that is not a synonym for "editing". WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, adding new content to an article is not a revert, unless that content has previously been removed. Changing the existing text could be seen as a revert, but, like I said, unless it's part of a pattern of repeated changes in the face of some opposition it will likely not be seen as problematic. These things often involve judgment calls, and admins have to consider both the letter and the spirit of the rules. I'll take a look at that discussion you linked to when I have some spare time. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- "Well, adding new content to an article is not a revert, unless that content has previously been removed." -- It was pointed out in the AN thread that if, for example, someone adds the word "not" to a controversial statement to negate the factual sense of the sentence that was just inserted, that could be construed as a technical revert even though it's the adding of new content that had never before been removed. "Prof. X is a scientist" to "Prof. X is not a scientist." is considered a revert for the purposes of WP:3RR. jps (talk) 19:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, fair enough. I was thinking in terms of expansions to the article when I said "new content". Mark Arsten (talk) 19:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- "Well, adding new content to an article is not a revert, unless that content has previously been removed." -- It was pointed out in the AN thread that if, for example, someone adds the word "not" to a controversial statement to negate the factual sense of the sentence that was just inserted, that could be construed as a technical revert even though it's the adding of new content that had never before been removed. "Prof. X is a scientist" to "Prof. X is not a scientist." is considered a revert for the purposes of WP:3RR. jps (talk) 19:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, adding new content to an article is not a revert, unless that content has previously been removed. Changing the existing text could be seen as a revert, but, like I said, unless it's part of a pattern of repeated changes in the face of some opposition it will likely not be seen as problematic. These things often involve judgment calls, and admins have to consider both the letter and the spirit of the rules. I'll take a look at that discussion you linked to when I have some spare time. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Cite doi/doc/format
You [Special:Log&type=protect&page=Template:Cite_doi/doc/format here] protected a /doc text. Was that intentional? LeadSongDog come howl! 22:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- It might have been an instance of getting tabs confused, actually. I don't recall exactly. I've unprotected it though now. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:09, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Christ article vandal
Hi Mark,
I saw that you reverted some of their edits (and I got the rest) but there are a few pages they've vandalised again. So another semi may be required:
- Jesus in Christianity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Knowledge of Christ (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Osiris (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Esoteric Christianity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Son of God (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Christian mysticism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Esoteric Christianity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
And these are the IPs this time:
- 75.51.164.70 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- 75.51.164.121 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- 75.51.164.182 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- 75.51.165.0 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) this one is within the range, but it's editing in a different area so it may very well be a different person
- 75.51.168.159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
- 75.51.168.162 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
Do you think it's worth filing an SPI so we have them on a central record somewhere? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs)
- Hmm, I would agree with semi-protection and maybe a range block here. Do you think I'm WP:INVOLVED? I reverted him a bunch of times tonight. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- No not at all involved, reverting something which has previously been decided is disruptive/vandalism on ANI (something which you only contributed to by adding another block at the end) and for which the user has previously been blocked, rangeblocked and pages protected. Same as reverting edits from an account/IP, blocking it for 31 hours then following up with an indef/longer block if they continue. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've protected those pages. I guess this qualifies as the block evasion exemption anyway. Do you recall what the previous rangeblock parameters were/who issued it? Mark Arsten (talk) 03:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Does 75.51.160.0/20 sound right? I've just blocked it for a month. I see now that User:Kww blocked 166.216.226.0/24 a couple weeks ago. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- And it appears that it's Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Ararat arev that we're dealing with. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:07, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- This is 75.51.160.0/20 and this is 166.216.226.0/24. So that shows that there is a bit of long term blocking going on with those ranges as well. And the blocking admin was User:JodyB.
- Well the LTA case makes reverting and blocking much easier.
- Out of interest how did you find the LTA link? Feel free to email if you've got BEANS concerns. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:17, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, phew, glad to see that I got the right range. I noticed the connection to AA based on edits that the 75.51* range was making to Hayk, actually. Apparently this user has quite the history on Armenian topics! Mark Arsten (talk) 04:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- No not at all involved, reverting something which has previously been decided is disruptive/vandalism on ANI (something which you only contributed to by adding another block at the end) and for which the user has previously been blocked, rangeblocked and pages protected. Same as reverting edits from an account/IP, blocking it for 31 hours then following up with an indef/longer block if they continue. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
User:Larrypooplinson
Hello. I noticed your indef-block notification at User talk:Larryfuckstylinson regarding a vandalism-only account and username policy violation. May I ask you to also have a look at User talk:Larrypooplinson? It seems to have the same issues and to be a probable sock. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
User(s) blocked. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Fucking Machines thanks
Thanks for your copy editing help at Fucking Machines.
I've trimmed the lede a bit more in size, and I think it looks a bit better.
What do you think?
— Cirt (talk) 19:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that does look better. Very interesting article you have there! I'll try to read the rest and make some copyedits as I go. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, thank you! Yes, it's part of my theme of improving articles related to freedom of speech and censorship along the topic. Fuck (film) was recently promoted to WP:FA, and Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties to WP:GA. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, congrats on the promotions! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you! The former was not easy to get promoted to FA, but a fun effort. The latter has had a copy edit and may be up for peer review some time soon. And then there's Go the Fuck to Sleep, which would be really neat to get to GA at some point. — Cirt (talk) 19:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, congrats on the promotions! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, thank you! Yes, it's part of my theme of improving articles related to freedom of speech and censorship along the topic. Fuck (film) was recently promoted to WP:FA, and Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties to WP:GA. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Ali Arshad Mir
well sarcastically, thank you mark for blocking me and my friend's account and blaming us for sock puppeting. i just wanted to ask you , from where the hell i would bring copyright image of a man , who died 5 years ago , if we all have one and only one portrait of that man and that i am posting it on wikipedia from my own facebook page , how the hell i would bring a copyright? and i you people dont have any proof of sock puppeting, google it , the only picture you will find is from my blog and facebook page now why i am supposed to bring copyright?? and if yes then how , please tell the procedure. i tried to pay some tribute to my uncle ,who was a noble renowned man, by making an article on wiki, o that more and more people come to know about his work, but i am really pissed off by the way wiki guys always delete the pic i upload on copyright basis. please help else i am bound to delete my article about Ali Arshad Mir from wiki. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davinci81191 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, let's deal with one thing at a time: when did I block you? It doesn't look like you've been blocked before. If you were blocked under a different account, please log into that account and post an unblock request. You will have to explain why it looked like you were using more than one account. Were you coordinating your editing with someone else? Also, do you have question about images? If you took a picture of someone you can release it under a free license, but if you did not take the picture you cannot. A picture that you did not take can be used if you have a fair use claim. See Wikipedia:Image use policy. You might also want to talk to User:Diannaa, who deleted one of the images as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
UP Protection
Mark, could you please protect my user page? Since, i won't be here for a while. Thanks. -- L o g X 22:45, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- What a coincidence, I was just doing so when you left this message :) Hope to see you around soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Reverts!
You and I are zeroing in on the same pages in the recent changes page or something. Every time I see vandalism, it was just reverted by you! Keep it up!
BenYes? 01:56, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, that's funny. Sorry about any edit conflicts :) Mark Arsten (talk) 01:56, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
International Debutante Ball
Hello Mark Arsten, The same person is trying to add the same unknown family names yet again to the International Debutante Ball page without discussing. It is the same person again making different account and is unwilling to discuss this issue and just consistently reverting edits. It seems they have waited until the temporary protection of the page ran out and are trying to add these names again with multiple fake accounts without discussing. Please could you protect this page to prevent people trying to add unknown names to the lists (presumably their own names or names linked to them) without even discussing this and just repeating the 'undo' option. Please advise further. I personally see this as vandalism and would suggest that the accounts should be blocked.
Thanks --1wikideb1 (talk) 04:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've blocked the most recent account on username grounds. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, although I do fear that they will persist in trying to add these names to the page and they seem unwilling to discuss this issue. The latest account threatened to 'block' me if I did not let them add these names...--1wikideb1 (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, let me know if problems persist. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:02, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate your help.--1wikideb1 (talk) 05:06, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
IntDebBall
Mark:
Regarding your block of this user, I had posted several comments about their behavior on the user page, which they deleted. Could youtake a look to see if a hard block without talk page access is justified? Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Wanted to let you know. Sock of User:IntDebBall. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 05:52, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- I edit conflicted trying to post the same thing. User:Caretwind and User:WrappedInBlue are earlier socks. All should be blocked. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:55, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note guys, I've blocked the two most recent socks. I'll look into their past accounts later. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I blocked Caretwind, I'm not sure that WrappedInBlue's edits are clear enough to block for the duck test. Feel free to ask a CU though. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Having taken a second look, I agree with you on WrappedInBlue. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know if it was on the basis of CU data or not, but jpgordon blocked WrappedInBlue, as well as Prettyinkypink, Roysdeb23, BYEHIHIBYE and HIBYEBYEHI as socks of IntDebBall. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Having taken a second look, I agree with you on WrappedInBlue. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
AIV
Hi Mark, I'm guessing you're probably busy but there are a bunch of reports on WP:AIV if you have some time. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:15, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- I just did a few, but I'm about out of energy for the night. Try asking an admin listed here if anything else comes up. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:40, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Flow92, German vandal
This guy caused you to place a block on Nissan Vanette - well, it has expired and the vandalism is back in full force through countless ips (89.204.139.26 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 82.113.121.248 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 89.204.137.151 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 89.204.135.186 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 89.204.138.242 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 89.204.139.179 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 89.204.137.242 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 89.204.130.153 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 82.113.106.77 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)) . Help, please. Mr.choppers | ✎ 12:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- Alright, I think I blocked them all. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:23, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Not sure what to do
Hello Mark, I am dealing with a situation where one person has seemingly created four accounts, User: Kendra Citizen, User: YoungMontana40, User: Bradley Citizen and User:Lloyd Citizen. If you view any of their contributions it is pretty obvious. In the various account the person constantly creates hoax articles, most of the time copying an entire article such as Young Montana (rapper)/Ace Hood and Young Boy Entertainment/Young Money Entertainment and just changing a few minor things such as names of songs, dates and the subjects name. They are seemingly all SPA to promote Young Montana (rapper). Most of their actions also constitute trolling, see User talk:STATicVapor#Young Montana and User talk:STATicVapor/Archive 5: October 2013-#Bad Boy Records. Not sure what to start a sockpuppet investigation about, as there are no active blocks (as far as I can tell), and they do not necessarily use the accounts to edit war. But what they are doing is definitely not right, or allowed. STATic message me! 19:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- Nevermind User: Kinu took care of it.
STATic message me! 19:48, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
WUH/CKG as a destination listed under SFO/LAX respectively
They are non-direct flights served by CES air "extended" from the Shanghai PVG hub. Both PVG-WUH, PVG-CKG are domestic flights. The user (HkCaGu) has been constantly trying to block/revert other users edits without giving his own solid references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.242.236.14 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I need more context and fewer initialisms here: which page are you talking about?
- @HkCaGu: Can you comment here? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
This IP is talking about San Francisco International Airport which you protected last week. Last week it was multiple IPs from the University of Southern California constantly reverting me and another experienced WP:AIRPORT editor. This roaming IP (I have to believe it's one person) continues to chase after this matter, which if to be brought up (I have no interest in doing this) should be brought up to WT:AIRPORT. If the two IPs from today are one person, it's already beyond 3RR. HkCaGu (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I have no opinion about the substance of this content dispute, but you both have broken WP:3RR today. I've decided to protect the page instead of issuing blocks though. Please discuss the issue on the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:38, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Mark, hi. I just stumbled upon and removed this from Deletion log to Airport Talk, and notified 50.242.236.14, with the invitation to put it back if it is really what he/she intended. I then noticed your note to 50.242.236.14 and decided I should also quickly copy this to you. If my removal from the deletion log to project talk was in anyway wrong please undo it or tell me to undo it. Intention was to remove clutter from Deletion log template to a more appropriate venue. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- No, that's fine. Thanks for doing that. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:33, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Mark, hi. I just stumbled upon and removed this from Deletion log to Airport Talk, and notified 50.242.236.14, with the invitation to put it back if it is really what he/she intended. I then noticed your note to 50.242.236.14 and decided I should also quickly copy this to you. If my removal from the deletion log to project talk was in anyway wrong please undo it or tell me to undo it. Intention was to remove clutter from Deletion log template to a more appropriate venue. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
lunar images
Thanks for transferring some of my uploaded images to the commons. If it makes it easier, they are all on my user page, and I think all of them have been flagged for transfer by Sfan00_IMG. Jstuby (talk) 02:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note. There's a lot of images there! I'll try to do some more in my spare time. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:43, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
A new battleground?
While I don't feel so lonely anymore, I fear Talk:Austrian economics/General sanctions itself is becoming another battleground. – S. Rich (talk) 05:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, I left a few thoughts of my own after the warnings. I haven't spent as much time watching the Austrian topics lately, what with the election and some other drama I got involved with. Mark Arsten (talk) 06:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
On the subject of the sanctions, I believe that most of the most frequent recent editors have been notified now, but it might be worth also posting the template at the others' talk pages so that we can get past the templating. Looking through the article edit histories, I found a few more editors who have not received the notice. User:The Four Deuces, User:Binksternet, User:A Quest for Knowledge, and User:Arzel. There may be others. These were just from a quick look. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 13:28, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I think everyone's notified now. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I hope everybody understands, per the AN discussion, that the template is meant only to be evidence of notification and not an accusation about misconduct. Onward and upward... SPECIFICO talk 17:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, it seems some people have unfortunately misunderstood the purpose of the notifications. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I hope everybody understands, per the AN discussion, that the template is meant only to be evidence of notification and not an accusation about misconduct. Onward and upward... SPECIFICO talk 17:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
BS warnings
Issuing warnings (whatever you want to call them) to uninvolved editors only serves to discourage outside input into disputes. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'm sorry if you found that discouraging; it wasn't intended as a warning for misconduct. My view was just that it was a good thing for people who get involved in the often-acrimonious dispute to be aware of the sanctions. I decided to err on the side of caution in making sure everyone was aware of them. I apologize if you were offended by my comments. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Mark...I'd have to agree a bit with AQFK....especially since the above comment is the first edit he's made in a week.--MONGO 17:04, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- On the one hand I'd like to have more members in 'my club', but I think the "Notifications" section with vague messages from involved editors has served a negative purpose. As I said above, it was used as another venue for skirmishing. And why provide these specific notifications – the particular articles already have template warnings on the talk pages. I recommend purging the notification section – so on the other hand please leave my name on the list as I will enjoy the exclusivity. – S. Rich (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Not only had I not edited Wikipedia in a week, the edits to which Mark Arsten refers to were me engaging in WikiGnoming.[10][11][12][13][14][15][16] I've WikiGnomed everything from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to the Troubles to Mass killings under Communist regimes. This is the first time I've ever received a warning/alert for WikiGnoming. Mark might call them "alerts", but Template:Austrian economics sanctions still calls them "warnings".
- So, can you please tell me, Mark, which of those WikiGnoming edits you find objectionable, and how can I mend my troubled ways? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- I don't find any of these edits objectionable. I only notified you of the sanctions to make you aware of them. As Template:Austrian economics enforcement states, "This notice does not necessarily mean your current editing has been deemed a problem". I'm not sure why you think I gave you a warning, but I apologize if my wording wasn't clear. Template:Austrian economics sanctions does state that users must be warned before sanctions are imposed, but it does not state that the notifying individuals of the sanctions on the topic area is a warning. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Honestly, I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off because - regardless of how you might want to spin it - you issued a warning to me when I did nothing wrong. Again, I do NOT edit Austrian economics topics. I made a small series of WikiGnoming edits and before that, someone brought a BLP issue to WP:RSN. That's it. Did you warn/alert every editor who many any edit - no matter how minor or uncontroversial - to an Australian economics article? I think not. So why am I being singled out?
- Tell you what, how about a compromise? How about I'll notify myself?[17] Is this acceptable to you? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- That is an acceptable compromise to me; I think we can leave it at that. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK for now in my opinion. If this were to happen with Arbcom notifications I think that the removal of a name from a notification log could be taken to WP:Arbitration enforcement for further review. Since this is a community sanction the place to review such a dispute would be WP:AN. EdJohnston (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for the future. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:57, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK for now in my opinion. If this were to happen with Arbcom notifications I think that the removal of a name from a notification log could be taken to WP:Arbitration enforcement for further review. Since this is a community sanction the place to review such a dispute would be WP:AN. EdJohnston (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- That is an acceptable compromise to me; I think we can leave it at that. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Boeing 777X AFD
Mark, could you give a rationale for why you closed the discussion as Merge, and state the conditions for its restoration? (Deletion review, or a mere split?) Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Whether to keep a separate article or merge into a parent is an editorial decision about how best to present the content. I felt in the Afd that there was a consensus to merge. Key arguments included "other aircraft variants are listed within their main airframe articles" and "Aircraft have their own page. And variants of that specific type are covered within the specific aircraft's page". As to how to get it back to its own article, you would have to have a discussion on Talk:Boeing 777 in which a consensus to spin out the material emerged. Does this answer your question? Mark Arsten (talk) 17:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks. Is there any recommended time limit on waiting for the split discussion, or can that be done at any time? I did a lot of work on the new article after most of the Merged comments were made, and I think it can stand alone at this point. Even so, I did the merge myself. I've done many splits of variant aircraft articles in the past, and worked on several similar articles such as the Boeing 737 MAX variant article. - BilCat (talk) 18:02, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that a split discussion is preferable to a Deletion review in this case, but I don't have much experience with the review process. I'm just trying to explore what is the best option at this point. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I'd recommend waiting a few months to have a spin-off discussion, but I guess you could start one at any time. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that a split discussion is preferable to a Deletion review in this case, but I don't have much experience with the review process. I'm just trying to explore what is the best option at this point. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:08, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Inuit
Thanks so much for semi-protecting Inuit. That was quick! -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
- Glad to help :) Mark Arsten (talk) 17:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Talk:Hans-Hermann Hoppe
Would you take a look at Talk:Hans-Hermann Hoppe. My suggestion – hat the latest round of personal remarks, including those that have a tangential comment about article improvement. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 17:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I hatted some of the back and forth. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Mahmoud Fayed sock
Hope this doesn't come across as WP:DEADHORSE, but just to clarify what happened here - we think Fayed is probably switching between two accounts and using them to edit the same COI articles and talk pages, but there's no need for him to confirm or announce this, and he can carry on without acknowledging it, if he wants to? I was under the impression that undeclared socking was always a big deal. --McGeddon (talk) 18:01, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- No, it's not Ok. I think we should wait a bit and see if he keeps doing it (since he was just warned about it). If he keeps it up we could take action. That's my thought at least, you could ask Reaper as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Could you userfy this for me? It was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Żmien L-Ispanjoli. If I remember correctly it may still have some potential. Thanks. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 20:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, have at it. Let me know how it turns out and we can talk about restoration. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:04, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, now that's prompt service. If I get anywhere with it I'll get back to you. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 20:05, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
WP:RFPP
Page protection fail. This isn't a bot bug, FYI. The request won't archive if it's not protected as indicated. Thought I'd let you know.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:09, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain what went wrong here? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- The page you claimed you fully protected for 1 week, isn't fully protected. That's what the bot is saying.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, that's odd. I think it is actually fully protected. Could it be because I put one month down at first and then changed it to one week? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- The bot is following the redirect since most pages listed end up being redirects. Since you protected the redirect, you might want to add
Requesting immediate archiving... to the request to have it archive.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I think I understand now. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Just so you know, when you mark a request for protection/unprotection as granted, the bot checks to make sure it's protected in the manner stated. If not, it throws a message and won't archive until it is protected. The bot automatically follows redirects. So when you protect a redirect, the bot won't see it.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- That's what was confusing me, I didn't think the bot followed redirects. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Just so you know, when you mark a request for protection/unprotection as granted, the bot checks to make sure it's protected in the manner stated. If not, it throws a message and won't archive until it is protected. The bot automatically follows redirects. So when you protect a redirect, the bot won't see it.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I think I understand now. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- The bot is following the redirect since most pages listed end up being redirects. Since you protected the redirect, you might want to add
- Hmm, that's odd. I think it is actually fully protected. Could it be because I put one month down at first and then changed it to one week? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- The page you claimed you fully protected for 1 week, isn't fully protected. That's what the bot is saying.—cyberpower ChatOnline 20:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
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Recently seen you edit Cedarbrae Collegiate Institute. The page is vandalized and I can't find the proper revision to restore the page to. Could you help? ///EuroCarGT 00:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, not sure which (if any) was the last good revision. I just took a bunch of text out for now until it can be examined in more detail. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:43, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I see unconstructive edits discussed already in talk page and WP:DRN. And protection time is almost out, but there have been reverts lately. --George Ho (talk) 06:11, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for the note. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
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You did a good block but didn't cover the other /64. I'd hesitate on blocking a larger range for now. Jasper Deng (talk) 06:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
You deleted my Wikipedia page
Mr. Arsten, I see that as an administrator you deleted my Wikipedia page. This page was not started by me and was up for a number of years. Quite a while ago I did make some corrections to the site and added links, but that was all. Interesting that you would delete my page. Was there any other rationale, other than suspecting that I had written the contents? Did you check for correctness of the information? Is the subject of a wikipedia page forbidden from making changes to their site's information?
Sincerely, Michael D. Fay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.194.202 (talk) 18:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- We do discourage people from writing articles about themselves, but it wasn't deleted for that reason. Rather, it was deleted because people felt that it did not meet the standards suggested by the general notability guideline. If you can offer evidence that you do meet this guideline, it may be possible to have the page restored. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:59, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Mr. Arsten, thank you for your quick response. I am not quite sure what is meant by "general notability'...however, I will provide you with a list of independent articles that have been researched and written about me, along with those pieces I've written and illustrated, and have been vetted by reliable journalistic sources.
While I understand that Wikipedia has a vested interest in stopping and eliminating false information, my site I can assure you had none of these. I have garnered attention as the official combat artist for the Marines directly from my work and exhibitions and do not need to 'self-promote'.
Even today I conducted a major interview with the German Journalist Lea Hampel via Skype.
Mr.Arsten,did you get all the links?
Sincerely,Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.194.202 (talk) 21:29, 26 November 2013 (UTC) I hope you will review the links I am sending you. It will be a rather lengthy list.
Sincerely, Michael D. Fay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.194.202 (talk) 19:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, basically, what we need is articles written about you and published in newspapers, magazines, etc. Preferably well established ones. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:34, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- No, I didn't get the links. You should register an account and use the "E-mail user" function. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:31, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm On My Account Page...where is the email option? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 21:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) While on Mark's Talk page, look under the Wikipedia logo on the left, under the drop down menu "Tools". There should be an option called "Email this user" which you use to can get in contact with Mark as he requested. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks...I'm waiting for my confirmation email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 21:53, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
No email option under tools...my email is confirmed.Can you email me?I have a word doc with links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 23:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Mr. Arsten, in lieu of email with attachment, I can also suggest you google 'Michael D Fay combat artist.' Notable will be articles written about me by New York Times' arts writer Carol Kino and Wall Street Journal writer Michael Phillips. I've also penned and illustrated multiple articles for The New York TImes and Canada's National Post. I have multiple BBC links. If you google 'The Joe Bonham Project' you should find numerous pieces about this ongoing project I created and oversee. If you google 'combat artist' the first link will be the NYTimes investigated by Carol Kino and the first image will be of me. If you google the words 'war artist' will again see the first image is of myself sketching in Babylon in 2003. Three of the other American war artists of the modern era on the Wikipedia "War Artist" page, Victor Juhasz, Rob Bates and Kristopher Battles are all members of The Joe Bonham Project and have been mentored by me.
Sincerely, Mike Fay
Thanks, Mike Fay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 00:25, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Mr. Arsten, out of curiosity I just went by Wikipedia's War Artist site and found that my photograph is the sole one appearing on the page. Additionally, although the link to my deleted site is non-functional, there is a footnote (9), which does provide a path to the New York Times' Carol Kino article. I should also add that Henry Casselli is also a close friend.
Mike Fay
Sorry to be a bother, but I've also just taken the time to look at the discussions and individuals involved in the deletion process. It is clear from the discussion that the individuals did not not do their due diligence in investigated my Wikipedia site. There were many links to reputable sources. I can appreciate that perhaps a couple of them no longer functioned, but I haven't go by my deleted site in quite a long time. I am easy enough to locate via google and the internet. I'm also concerned, after reading the various profiles of the contributors to the deletion, that there might have been a bit of political stereotyping and anti-war sentiment involved in their judgements and assumptions. I will also tell you that I'm a member in good standing of the New York Society of Illustrators and the 'Reportager' of the University of the West of England. I hope we can rectify this situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 00:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps this article by the UK's newspaper, The Guardian, penned by Jonathan Jones, will be of interest. http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2011/mar/21/michael-fay-war-drawings — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 00:53, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- That is a good source. That's the type we want to see. Your article only contained two citations before it was deleted, which is probably why people thought you were non-notable. If you have a number of good sources, you are welcome to construct an article through the WP:AFC project. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Here's two academic institutions I've been recognized by and a cover article in the US's National Endowment for the Arts Magazine in 2012: http://arts.gov/NEARTS/2012v2-soul-america/seeing-believing and the cover, http://arts.gov/NEARTS/2012v2-soul-america http://www.meltonpriorinstitut.org/pages/textarchive.php5?view=print&ID=140&language=English (Scroll down) http://reportager.uwe.ac.uk/fay.htm
New York Times: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/author/michael-d-fay/ http://frontlines.blogs.nytimes.com/author/warrant-officer-michael-d-fay/ http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/arts/design/joe-bonham-project-illustrates-the-wounds-of-war.html http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/arts/design/18marines.html?pagewanted=all
Canada's National Post: http://news.nationalpost.com/author/mfaynp/
BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6508423.stm http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13912445
ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/popup?id=3573104 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/PersonOfWeek/story?id=3572902
CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-sketches-of-a-war-artist/7/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sketching-veterans-recovering-from-war-so-their-stories-arent-lost/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 01:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Mark, If I understand you correctly, you want me to create my own site, rather than re-activating my old site? To be honest, I did not originate the original site, although I was admittedly flattered. I'm concerned that originating my own site, if that is what you are suggesting, still falls within in the scope of objectionable activity. While I am a good artist, I'm very un-tech savy. Could you please make, to a non-technical type, what you are suggesting. I am obviously concerned that the original objectors who raised a hue and cry to delete my site, or similar individuals, will again materialize. I hope you appreciate my concern. Thanks, Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 01:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I can see how this is confusing. You aren't supposed to edit your article directly, but you can draft up a copy and ask a volunteer at WP:AFC to consider adding it to Wikipedia. To have it accepted at AFC, you have to make sure all the facts are cited to reliable sources and it is written in neutral point of view language. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Gentlemen, to avoid Mr Fay being accused of conflict of interest, and provided I don;t need to work with any urgency on this, I am happy for you (Mark) to userfy the article to my userspace, dropping me a note on my talk page to let me know, ideally pasting the swathe of potential references into that note. I will then see if I can work it up in to an acceptable article and Mr Fay can give me input that I may choose to use or not to use depending upon its nature and citation in WP:RS. I may, of course, form a judgment that the article could not survive in the wild. Was it CSD or AfD deleted? Going to DRV would be a pain, if AfD deleted, but I'll do it with pleasure if the gentleman is notable, and verifiably so. Fiddle Faddle 10:24, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, it's at User:Timtrent/Michael D. Fay right now. Let me know when you're done working on it, depending on how it comes out we might not have to bother with DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Gentlemen, to avoid Mr Fay being accused of conflict of interest, and provided I don;t need to work with any urgency on this, I am happy for you (Mark) to userfy the article to my userspace, dropping me a note on my talk page to let me know, ideally pasting the swathe of potential references into that note. I will then see if I can work it up in to an acceptable article and Mr Fay can give me input that I may choose to use or not to use depending upon its nature and citation in WP:RS. I may, of course, form a judgment that the article could not survive in the wild. Was it CSD or AfD deleted? Going to DRV would be a pain, if AfD deleted, but I'll do it with pleasure if the gentleman is notable, and verifiably so. Fiddle Faddle 10:24, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, temptation got the better of me. I've ripped though it already and can see for sure that we have sufficient material to have an article on this topic. There are insufficient sources for the pure fighting stuff, but there are quite enough for the artist element. I've flagged some areas where references are required, and I have not attempted to trim the enormous external links section. Even with the deficiencies I would be content to let this article take its chances in the main userspace. I suggest, Mark, that you move it back without leaving a redirect, adding a talk page with BLP stuff on it, the result of the prior AfD and your rationale, should you agree, for re-issuing it to main space. The main winner for me are the citations in RS that were absolutely absent when it was AfD deleted. I think the tone is reasonably neutral, and that there is a lot of fun to be had by a specialist content expert or two in making this a better flowing article.
- I won't be hurt if you think there is more work to do here, but I think, truly, that unleashing WP editors on it on main namespace will get the job done better than leaving it to me. Fiddle Faddle 00:46, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've done a huge pass through the external links. I've incorporated what I can as inline refs, flagged dead links as dead links, and removed those where there is just no trace of Mr Fay. There is scope for copyediting, and there need to be more references for the awards and honours and the military aspects, but this gentleman is most assuredly notable in a Wikipedia sense. I think we can definitely go live. DRV seems inappropriate unless you feel that it is necessary. This is one impressive gentleman. Technically one might argue that the article is similar to that which was deleted, text-wise, but the citations now present negate that argument for me. Perhaps, technically, many of them were there as external links previously, but it was so unwieldy that I can see why there was a deletion consensus. Those opining to delete were probably too quick on the draw, though, because notability was established, it was just hidden. Fiddle Faddle 11:32, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I will gladly provide whatever information an independent individual requires. There is quite of volume of verifiable information for which I can provide links. These span academia to a virtual who's who of media outlets-from the BBC and Guardian, to Canada's National Post and America's Wall Street Journal, New York Times and Washington Post (along with many regional newpapers and news outlets). I have been interviewed by the BBC several times, Public Radio International, American Public Media's The Story with Dick Gordon to name a few. Most of this material is easily found via Wikipedia. I will make available my official retirement papers (DD214), which will show my periods of service and personal awards. I can also provide quotes from notable arts and editorial writers about the importance of my work. I don't believe my original contained any incorrect or rhetorically overstated material, but I leave it to an independent set of eyeballs to judge. I have just been interviewed for a lengthy article to be written by Lea Hampel for a German newspaper. In addition, I just finished curating an exhibition of The Joe Bonham Project for Drexel University's Medical College in coordination with well-known international journalist Karen Curry. The New York Times arts writer Carol Kino has written about me twice and I've been featured as ABC New's Person of the Week. I'm one of a handful of working war artists and have personally organized the International Society of War Artists and The Joe Bonham Project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 12:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Mark, I find it interesting that my site was down to a mere handful of citations. That would mean that many were deleted....by whom? As I recall, at least from the screen shot of my page, that there was only basic facts and at least two dozen citations people could click on. I hope those individuals involved in flagging my original site were not involved in any tampering.
Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwo2mdfay (talk • contribs) 12:48, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- There were a number of external links, but only two were cited to back up facts in the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
I will gladly provide to the gentleman re-writing the article with 'official' sources attesting to my combat experience. The Leatherneck, the magazine of the Marine Corps has several articles. I can also provide my 'decorations' page from the official Marine Corps site 'Marine-on-line' as well as a scanned copy of my official discharge/retirement document, known as the DD-214. I am not, nor will ever be adept at the arcane aspects of Wikipedia, so I leave it to other to set up citations meeting your criteria. I am 90% disabled as result of my combat experiences and somewhat limited with regards to certain cognitive functions (I can provide a scan of my disability finding and rating.) Having said this, I believe my work, art and experiences as a 'war artist' are of note and have garnered the interest of many individuals across media and academia. The current generation of war artists is rather small in relation to previous eras, and in light of digital technologies, ever more of interest...the last analog gentlemen in a digital world one might say. My email is cwo2mdfay@gmail.com, should the individual, I believe Timetrent, be willing to allow me to send him scans of appropriate documents. I can also provide the contact information at The National Museum of the Marine Corps (my last command)of the curator of the art collection and deputy director, who can independently confirm biographical information about my career and combat experiences. I completely appreciate the professionalism and tone of these exchanges, and have little doubt this misunderstanding is being resolved and a satisfactory solution undertaken.
- Please don't send me scans of anything. Please just give me chapter and verse, and, where possible, a link to a publicly available document. Fiddle Faddle 16:02, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ready to roll, Mark. This is as good as it gets now :) Let's let others have a go. Fiddle Faddle 18:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've moved it back into articlespace. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:48, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'll let the people from the deletion debate, User:Intothatdarkness, User:John from Idegon, and User:Dainomite, know if its recreation in case they'd like to open a new discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ready to roll, Mark. This is as good as it gets now :) Let's let others have a go. Fiddle Faddle 18:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks
Hi,
Thanks for your help on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Evlekis. It's greatly appreciated. I'm starting some tedious post-sock cleanup work. bobrayner (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Glad to help :) Mark Arsten (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Firm Central
Hi, Mark I tried creating a page regarding Firm Central which is a product management solution from Thomson Reuters and I wasn't able to see any comments on why it was deleted. Could you provide me some some insights or what I need to do in order to get a page about Firm Central posted on Wikipedia. Please let me know when you have the opportunity. Thank you for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohlj (talk • contribs) 18:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Could you provide the exact title of the article that was deleted please? I don't see any record of a deletion at Firm Central. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:47, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Firm Central. Nyttend (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, good catch. @Kohlj: it was deleted as a blank page. You're free to start a new one if you like at any time. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Firm Central. Nyttend (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/New life88
Please see my question at User talk:DoRD#New life88 and chime in if you have an opinion. Nyttend (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think you can just delete them if you want. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:29, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Move help
If you have a moment, and another admin has not gotten around to it, can you assist in the move of The Avengers: Age of Ultron to Avengers: Age of Ultron? Per discussion on The Avengers: Age of Ultron's talk page, it was determined that the "The" is not a part of the title, as evidenced by sources given by Marvel. Much thanks for the help if you can assist. Have a good holiday as well. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:43, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, done. Could you clean up any double redirect and so on? Mark Arsten (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Planning on it. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
why
why undo :<
- You're not supposed to provide your personal opinion about things on Wikipedia, we prefer that you add facts and sources. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
The deletion of Michael D. Fay
Dear Mark,
This concerns the deletion of Michael D. Fay from the category "War Artist" as well as related subjects in Wikipedia. I write for several reasons. One- I, along with Kristopher Battles and Robert Bates are included in that list of current artists. We are all members of the International Society of War Artists which was put together by Michael. We have all had our drawings and writings appear in noteworthy publications. Probably Michael has had the most inclusion, having written for the NEW YORK TIMES, and elsewhere. He has been featured in articles in the NEW YORK TIMES, has been the subject of articles in numerous other publications, as well as TV appearances and a 60 Minutes segment. Apparently he was deleted for not meeting "general notability guidelines". Is that so? And what does that term exactly mean? My guess is that on this particular subject he is much better known than Kris, Robert, or even myself. I'm sure even a casual glance at a Google search will demonstrate that his notability is pretty extension. I just did a Google search before writing this letter to you. Put in Michael D. Fay war artist and there is plenty to see, along with the articles.
Anyway, I am certain this was a misunderstanding of some sorts that can been rectified quickly.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/author/michael-d-fay/
Thank you for taking the time to read this and make the appropriate corrections.
Victor Juhasz
Victor Juhasz (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is possible to have the article restored, see my comments in the section on this topic above. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:27, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
I swear it seems like I see you everywhere. You're not a man, but a machine. Thanks for all your tireless efforts into cleaning up Wikipedia. Antoshi ☏ ★ 01:39, 27 November 2013 (UTC) |
- Thanks for the barnstar! Mark Arsten (talk) 05:15, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Editor logging of notifications questions
I noticed at this diff at WP:AEGS you wrote in edit summary: this is a log of notifications given by uninvolved administrators).
As a non-admin I logged two notices because WP:General sanctions recently was changed here as an "Update to detail the actual process". This was per this Admin Noticeboard discussion to allow editors to place notifications on user pages and the log. I just want to do the right thing, so your comment once again got me confused on the matter. Is it still a pending change? Does this info have to be propagated through the various Arbitration and Community sanctions pages and templates? Thanks. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 05:06, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Carol, you are correct, that was just a poorly phrased comment on my part. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:14, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for reply. One less thing to wonder about! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 05:30, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you administrator
Thank you for adding the pending change tag to Tiwa Savage's page. versace1608 (talk) 06:05, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- You're welcome :) Mark Arsten (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Re: that IP account
Is there anything you think I should do about that IP account that keeps making non-NPOV and/or otherwise bad edits to characterization? It's very tedious to deal with for me, and I'm sure you also don't appreciate having to protect all these pages, but it'd be laughed out of ANI or AE. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:15, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, do you think it might be a sock? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. The person behind the account seems to have been editing under IPs for a while (there are various IPs in the history that use the same "cat-fix" and "link-fix" edit summaries), but after being stalked by so many other users, I'm not ready to dismiss the IP's showing up throughout my edit history going back several months (eg. at The Frugal Housewife, a redirect on an obscure historical cookbook) as coincidental. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:16, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Tichborne case, May 2012 FAC
In May 2012 you were one of the reviewers who commented on this article at the FAC which led to its promotion. I have recently noticed that an editor has added a substantial amount of text to the article, without talkpage discussion and of course without review. I have outlined some concerns on the article's talk, here. I would greatly appreciate it if you could look at the page and give a brief opinion on this new material. Brianboulton (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
IP nuisance
Thank you for taking care of that IP-hopping disruptor. I think that's the first time I've had one vandal Wikihound me and follow my other vandalism reverts. I'll let you know if it gets bad again. Cheers. --Jprg1966 (talk) 01:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Welcome to the world of sockpuppetry :) Let me know if you need your page protected or anything. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Can you lend a hand and try and help me sort through the madness. There multiple accounts that seem to be connected possibly that are trying to whitewash the article and declining the pending revisions is getting tedious. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:49, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I slammed on the breaks by full protecting it for now. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Here's a link to the SPI [[18]] fairly standard duck test..Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I think a check might be a good idea in addition to the duck blocks. For faster service you can change {{SPI case status|}} to {{SPI case status|request}}. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:04, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Here's a link to the SPI [[18]] fairly standard duck test..Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm going to split this article into two lists. This page is protected; you can protect what I'm going to create soon. --George Ho (talk) 06:44, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, let me know when you need the protection. I know of a user who will be very interested in editing it. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- List of 20th Century Fox films (1915–2000) and List of 20th Century Fox films (2001–2100) are created. Need protection for the other list and the dabpage? --George Ho (talk) 02:27, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks
...for protecting Guy Fawkes. There comes a point where the endless, childish vandalism of an article becomes annoying, rather than merely irritating. Parrot of Doom 10:13, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Glad to help! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:43, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Deletion of Recharge (magazine)
Hi Mark, can you please explain your rationale for deleting the entire Wikipedia page about a respected, well-known publication (within the renewable-energy industry), rather than just editing the bits you didn't like. The article was approved by another Wikipedia editor back in July, with only minor changes instituted since then, all of which were neutral in tone. Are you saying that the publication is no longer notable enough to be included on Wikipedia? There are plenty of other similar, far smaller publications with their own Wikipedia pages. Contrary to what other editors stated (in the debate about proposed deletion), Recharge is not a new publication (it has been going since Jan 2009) and there were no employee bloggers listed as sources (the chairman of the UK's biggest independent solar company is not an employee!). Recharge is a well-established news organisation with a 24-hour website, thousands of paying subscribers and over 10,000 Twitter followers. To say that it does not warrant inclusion in Wikipedia would mean that you would have to delete hundreds of similar entries.LAC75 (talk) 15:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- It may be possible to get the article restored. Can you offer evidence that it meets the guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (periodicals)? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Mark, thanks for the response. Some quick points: in terms of 'verifiability', a quick search of Google Books reveals that Recharge has been cited as a source in at least 70 books (click here). Recharge is cited as a reliable source in 80 Wikipedia entries (just do a search for 'rechargenews' in Wikipedia). Recharge has 'received a notable award or honor at a national or international level' (the Advocate of the Year award from the UK's Renewable Energy Association may not be 'notable' to Wikipedia editors, but the REA awards are the most notable awards within the British renewable-energy industry).
The 'significant impact in its field' is harder to quantify as publications tend not to write about other publications, but I believe it can be demonstrated by the fact that the magazine is about to host the Holmenkollen summit. As this link explains, the world's largest Classification society DNV GL (recently formed by the merger of Det Norske Veritas and Germanischer Lloyd), which has about 17,000 employees around the world, is to be the event's platinum sponsor. DNV GL would not do that if Recharge did not have a significant impact on the industry. The event will be attended by some of the top executives in the renewable energy, including those listed here. As you can see, this includes top executives from major multinational companies such as General Electric, Siemens, Bechtel, Norton Rose Fulbright, Vestas and Enel, as well as one of the richest men in India, Tulsi Tanti, and Vice-Admiral Dennis McGinn, the US Navy's current Assistant Secretary. They would not waste their time writing articles for Recharge if they did not believe the publication has a significant impact on the industry.
I would also argue that everything on the original Recharge Wikipedia page showed its significant impact in its field.
If you still think Recharge does not warrant a Wikipedia page, then you would surely have to delete entries such as Windpower Monthly, whose only listed source is an expired advert for one of its own jobs. Thanks. LAC75 (talk) 11:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, I've asked for a second opinion on this. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:23, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Second opinion: In my opinion, there are no accepted notability standards for magazines. There are some classes of things for which the normal GNG is not suitable, and this is one of them. Notability (periodicals) is not a guideline, it is an essay--Some essays serve as de facto guidelines, but not this one--I do not think we would be able to get consensus for it to be used as a guideline. I've just now taken the opportunity to suggest some considerations there , considerations which I think we do often use to guide our subjective decisions. Perhaps renewed discussion there can lead to something that might be accepted.
- For this particular periodical I am, frankly, unsure. I had not joined the discussion. I give very considerable credence to my colleague User:Randykitty in respect to academic journals--my views there are formed in large part on his. but I think he is unnecessarily restrictive in some other areas. I am in general unhappy with AfD closings where there is very little participation, but after several relistings, there's no real alternative, except non-consensus. Looking at the article itself, the award is minor,and one not usually given to publications; that a notable person joined the board is not relevant; that is produces daily publications at trade shows is if anything a reason for non-notability, as with most such ephemeral publications. That it is produced by a leading business news publisher is of relevance, but even the best publishers usually produce some minor titles. True circulation of a controlled circulation publication such as this one is hard to access-- its web page, [19] only says it has "some" paid subscribers. What I need to know, and do not know, is whether it is in fact one of the leading trade publications in its subject.
- My own view is that this is one of the subject areas where I give the benefit of the doubt. This is partly because of a consideration not strictly related to the ordinary meaning of notability in WP: one of the recognized key virtues of the English WP is that it provides extensive references supporting the articles, unlike most prior encyclopedias , and to some degree more than most of the other WPs. For this to be meaningful to the reader, the reader needs some way of assessing the references used. It has been responsibly proposed we include articles on every publication cited in WP. I would not go that far--if for no other reason that it leads to promotional abuse and astroturfing. But I think the argument that it is used here significantly is a valid argument.
- I really regret I missed the AfD, and I suggest to Mark that perhaps the best course would be to reopen. That would be a better place for my arguments, because I'd like other people to be able to comment on them. DGG ( talk ) 04:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Mark and Anthony. I see both of you recently edited James McGibney. OTRS received a complaint about recent edits; it looks to me like you are monitoring and cleaning it up. I see protection has been added. I didn't read though all of the history, but it looks like you are on top of it. I don't plan to do anything other than add it to my watch list and ensure the subject that it is being watched.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:15, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- I haven't gotten to look at it in too much details at this point, other than username blocking some COI editors and protecting to stop the edit war. I'll try to keep an eye on it though. I'll unprotect it for now though. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- The subject of the article keeps on edit warring under various user accounts (that have since been banned) and is trying to whitewash the article to remove unflattering educational references. Business Week magazine is the source of the references, but that article subject keeps trying to revert and whitewash. Dead Goldfish (talk) 00:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Is the mention of one degree really that important though? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:26, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- The subject of the article keeps on edit warring under various user accounts (that have since been banned) and is trying to whitewash the article to remove unflattering educational references. Business Week magazine is the source of the references, but that article subject keeps trying to revert and whitewash. Dead Goldfish (talk) 00:49, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Lock this page.
Swaminarayan should be locked, vandalized by User:Bluespeakers, but with a new account now. Bladesmulti (talk) 18:13, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Made two additions and I am a vandal? Please check the edits as well.
Burpedworm (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Looks like Bbb23 has taken care of things. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
PPACA
Hi Mark Arsten, thank you for your help fully protecting Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act a week ago. The full protection period has expired, and I was wondering if you could restore the article's indefinite semi-protection, which it had before being fully protected (see diff). Thanks! –Prototime (talk · contribs) 23:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've semi'd it. We really need to get the protection settings fixed so full and semi-protection can run at the same time like PC and semi do. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Dipendra
Hi, Mark! I wonder would you help me to get rid of File:Dipendra.jpg ([20]), which I uploaded almost three years ago. Now, there is a Commons-uploaded file with the same name ([21]), which can't be used until my non-free version is deleted. As an admin, can you please speed it up because "speedy deletion" isn't so speedy after all... Thanks in advance! --Sundostund (talk) 00:01, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Looks like someone beat me to it! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:42, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
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- I'm fine, what's up? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Stockton Beach RFPP
I'm a bit confused over your response at RFPP. There's no actual edit-warring. I reverted the editor twice but gave up and have been tagging the OR as it's added (and there's quite a lot of it). I don't see how this could be reported to WP:AN3. --AussieLegend (✉) 21:17, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I thought you had reverted him three times, I guess I miscounted. Anyway, since it's only one user who will be autoconfirmed in a few days, semi-protection won't be of much use here. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Semi-protection for 3 days might at least get him to talk since he won't be able to edit the page until then. Otherwise I don't know what to do. --AussieLegend (✉) 21:24, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, you could revert him and then ask for a third opinion about the additions. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- If I revert him, he's just going to revert again. He's restored the same content that had previously been reverted, once as a single edit that also added more OR,[22], and then as a series of edits that added even more.[23] It was at that point that I started tagging the OR. he clearly understands what I'm saying, but claims he doesn't know how to reply,[24] even though he clearly knows how to post. I'm trying to avoid an edit war but he clearly thinks he doesn't have to comply with WP:NOR.[25] WP:3O doesn't seem an option. It clearly states "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. 3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to a standstill." We haven't discussed because he refuse to (I don't believe his claim that he doesn't know how to post a response). --AussieLegend (✉) 21:40, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, you could revert him and then ask for a third opinion about the additions. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Semi-protection for 3 days might at least get him to talk since he won't be able to edit the page until then. Otherwise I don't know what to do. --AussieLegend (✉) 21:24, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
November 2013
Hi Mark, I think you are unnecessarily harsh. You could have added "citation needed" as was done to the previous paragraph. I don't immediately have time to look up the appropriate citations, but if you know anything about hygiene, you should also know that I am right. As soon as I've found the citations, I shall add them. Dogo (talk) 00:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry if I came across as harsh, but health-related information really needs to be cited. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- You are not only harsh but you also seem to judge texts by different standards. This whole section to which I added my text, does not contain citations. So why had the other text not been removed? I don't say anything more revolutionary than in the previous two paragraphs. A lot of it is basic biology. If every sentence has to carry a citation, more than half of Wikipedia will have to disappear. Keep my text for the time being and I shall look up the references, even the one that is currently being requested. Dogo (talk) 10:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- It is true that much of the encyclopedia is poorly sourced, but we should try to avoid making the problem worse by adding more unsourced or poorly sourced content. Maybe some of the article in question should be removed, I'd have to check to see for sure. But anyway, when adding information about human health you should make sure you include a suitable source with your changes. See WP:MEDRS for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:51, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- You are not only harsh but you also seem to judge texts by different standards. This whole section to which I added my text, does not contain citations. So why had the other text not been removed? I don't say anything more revolutionary than in the previous two paragraphs. A lot of it is basic biology. If every sentence has to carry a citation, more than half of Wikipedia will have to disappear. Keep my text for the time being and I shall look up the references, even the one that is currently being requested. Dogo (talk) 10:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
You asked to be contacted if this were created. It has been. Fiddle Faddle 08:40, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. Is there a consensus about what to do with the lower-case version? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:53, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- It appears that no-one has been brave enough, so far, to close it. It will be an interesting consensus to analyse. Fiddle Faddle 21:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll wait to see what they do with that one before acting on the upper-case version. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:37, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- It appears that no-one has been brave enough, so far, to close it. It will be an interesting consensus to analyse. Fiddle Faddle 21:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, what has happened is an unbelievable mess, now. FAG was added today, very late in the deletion discussion, a discussion which ought to have been closed some substantial time ago. Then it was !voted on by several people, then removed again, and the entire thing has gone to hell in a handbasket, with accusations of pointy and disruptive edits. What would be appropriate is a wholly uninvolved admin to work out what to close, and to close it. I'm not asking you to do that. This is simply a briefing for you in case you are not watching the discussion. Fiddle Faddle 22:08, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Rather WP:LAME case. You semi protected for a week on Nov 19. IPs keep warring over a detail that frankly should not be an issue for anyone over the age of 14. Have a look and see if a longer semi would serve a purpose. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 10:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, seems like the kids are acting up again :) Mark Arsten (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Sam Sailor Sing 09:27, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
RFPP changes
Hi Mark, has the RFPP system changed recently? I've just added this using Twinkle and it has gone into an unexpected section. I'm unsure whether this is a TW problem per se or due to RFPP changes - perhaps a change of use in headings that has caused TW to lose its place? - Sitush (talk) 11:12, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Forget that, sorry. It would appear to be a bit of both, per this. I've moved my request, certainly using a screwed-up edit summary and probably at the wrong end of the list but admins are generally intelligent people and will rap my knuckles if appropriate ;) - Sitush (talk) 11:21, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, the way twinkle works with RFPP has gotten all messed up since the headers were changed. Might want to do it manually for the time being. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- At least the bot keeps on running. Speaking of which, Mark Arsten, did you know by using and RFPP template using, "ch", "chck", "q", "ques", "n", or "note", the bot will set a 24 hour timeout on the request, as it is then being marked as an ongoing discussion rather than not being responded to.—cyberpower OnlineMerry Christmas 02:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- I really hope that was a typo in your above comment... Mark Arsten (talk) 02:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Oops. Sorry. It was a typo. Come to think of it, I seem to be prone to those. My autocorrect turn Mlpearc into Mlprick, and Cyberpower into Cyberpooper.—cyberpower OnlineMerry Christmas 02:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- LOL, well, I don't feel that bad then :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- On a serious note though, thanks a lot for all the work you're doing with the bot and twinkle and so on. I definitely appreciate it. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:01, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Oops. Sorry. It was a typo. Come to think of it, I seem to be prone to those. My autocorrect turn Mlpearc into Mlprick, and Cyberpower into Cyberpooper.—cyberpower OnlineMerry Christmas 02:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- I really hope that was a typo in your above comment... Mark Arsten (talk) 02:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- At least the bot keeps on running. Speaking of which, Mark Arsten, did you know by using and RFPP template using, "ch", "chck", "q", "ques", "n", or "note", the bot will set a 24 hour timeout on the request, as it is then being marked as an ongoing discussion rather than not being responded to.—cyberpower OnlineMerry Christmas 02:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, the way twinkle works with RFPP has gotten all messed up since the headers were changed. Might want to do it manually for the time being. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Barney the barney barney
I noticed that you recently blocked User:Barney the barney barney for violating the WP:3RR on Rupert Sheldrake. I ask you to reconsider this block. Rupert Sheldrake is normally protected from WP:POV pushers by User:Vzaak, User:TheRedPenOfDoom, and User:Barney the barney barney. Possibly due to the holiday User:TheRedPenOfDoom has been missing since the 24th, and User:Vzaak has been far less active than usual, failing even to respond to allegations against him at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Persistent Bullying of Rupert Sheldrake Editors.
User:Alfonzo Green and User:Barleybannocks have taken advantage of the situation by launching a tag-team WP:POV push. User:Barleybannocks is a WP:SPA whose antics on the Sheldrake page have primarily centered around attempting to force his own novel definition of the word “biologist” upon others. While User:Alfonzo Green has been an WP:SPA for the past month and a half (he was inactive for more than a year prior to that). Alfonzo’s recent activities have focused on arguing that Sheldrake’s work isn’t pseudoscience because every single scientist on earth hasn’t actually said the words “Sheldrake’s work is pseudoscience” despite the fact that the arbitration committee has already said that “Obvious pseudoscience: Theories which, while purporting to be scientific, are obviously bogus may be so labeled and categorized as such without more”. User:Alfonzo Green has a personal grudge against User:Barney the barney barney because Barney previously got him blocked for violating WP:3RR. Alfonzo has also been blocked for incivility on Rupert Sheldrake.
While User:Barney the barney barney may have technically violated WP:3RR I would argue that Barney’s actions were necessary to protect Wikipedia and were therefore justified per WP:IGNORE. I understand that Wikipedia administrators can be busy people, but I ask you to please read through Talk:Rupert Sheldrake to get a better sense of the situation. Sheldrake’s talk page should give you an idea of what kind of WP:LAWYERING, WP:ICANTHEARYOU, and all around sophistry Alfonzo and Barley have been engaging in. Alternately, if you won’t unblock Barney then could you consider giving the page full protection for a day? Thanks. 76.107.171.90 (talk) 06:48, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for your comments. I'm willing to consider unblocking if an unblock request is filed (and depending on what it says). To make a long story short, my position is that 3RR is a bright-line rule that the community has agreed upon, and there are only a few exceptions to it. As an uninvolved admin, I have to hold both sides to the same standards. Even if someone's reverts do improve the article, they can still be blocked. This block doesn't preclude sanctions against other parties in the conflict though. You might want to propose a topic ban for AG if his editing has been problematic. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for instituting the 24 block. I too urge you to take a look at the Sheldrake talk page. It's clear that virtually all secondary sources label him a scientist, biologist or biochemist. This is how he's identified even by people who denounce his work. Yet every attempt to identify him as a biologist in the opening sentence has been bocked by people like Barney who seek to impose their POV. And yes, only a tiny number of sources identify his work as pseudoscience. The majority merely disagree with his findings, but this distinction is lost on the POV pushers. Alfonzo Green (talk) 19:56, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- It was inevitable that at least one person would earn a block over this Sheldrake article since it is policed as if its fate will determine the fall of western civilization and the future of science. There are SPAs on both sides and I think folks have lost perspective that it is just one article. Liz Read! Talk! 00:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for instituting the 24 block. I too urge you to take a look at the Sheldrake talk page. It's clear that virtually all secondary sources label him a scientist, biologist or biochemist. This is how he's identified even by people who denounce his work. Yet every attempt to identify him as a biologist in the opening sentence has been bocked by people like Barney who seek to impose their POV. And yes, only a tiny number of sources identify his work as pseudoscience. The majority merely disagree with his findings, but this distinction is lost on the POV pushers. Alfonzo Green (talk) 19:56, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
World Trigger
I saw this your edit, and I noted that World Trigger was deleted but you (or someone) forgot to delete List of World Trigger characters too. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 07:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, this is kind of silly, but I can't delete it unless the AFD, PROD, or CSD tags have been added to it first. Even though it makes no sense to keep it for any longer, we have to follow procedure. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Tanveer Alam
He, the page of Tanveer Alam has been deleted, but i feel its a public figure who is working in entertainment industry of India. He was the joint secretary of Indian Film Directors' Association. he did so many serials and films. its worthy to publish his page. i ask you to please read through to get a better sense for the same page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mytanveer (talk • contribs) 13:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, can you point to where he has received significant coverage in independent reliable sources? See WP:GNG & WP:RS for what I'm looking for. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:01, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Shais Taub
Hi. Thanks for temporarily protecting this page from repeated vandalism. Sadly, the edit war is now continuing. The issue under contention is an alias that is only sourced through public records / primary source. According to Wikipedia's guidelines on BLP, facts gleaned from primary sources should not be included. Could you please intervene. Much thanks.
- Ok, I left a comment on the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:22, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Question, I'm concerned we have some Ip socking going on at the AFD for this article. Both Ip's are from Vancouver BC. I know that spi won't comment on the identities of IP editors but what is the process when they are voting in AFDs. The user formerly known as Hell In A Bucket (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I just deleted the page. Let me know if they come back. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Semi protection for Megan Young article
Hi Mark! Can you possibly put semi protection to Megan Young article so that only auto confirmed users can edit this biography? I can only see IP addresses of the editors in the edit history. Thank you. greenmarktea78 (talk) 15:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Pending-changes protected. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- "Changes must be reviewed before being displayed on this page"? Hmmmm. Let me see if this approach works. Mark, I noticed you made an edit to Megan Young on December 2nd at 17:03, which alleges that anons like myself are Persistent Vandals. From my reading of WP:PROVEIT, it looks like any edit challenged, or likely to be challenged, requires some sort of evidence. I challenge your edits that day. :-) I don't insist on the BBC, or even a blog, but can you at least point to some logfile which documents those dern persistent visigoths that allegedly keep invading this article in mainspace? I didn't see any slobbering horde in the edit-history. HTH.
- p.s. As you may have guessed, I don't believe enWiki and deWiki should be twinkies. I also don't think one visigoth per month is "persistent" enough of a vandal to force us to violate our mission-statement. p.p.s. If you reply, and I don't respond promptly, please ping my talkpage. You can also ask Marktanoja to join us if you like, of course. Thanks. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello Mark, I dont understand the rationale of deleting the page "Abhinav Girdhar" as the people who are voting on the page knew very little or nothing about startup community of India, If you refer to the below link http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMTMvMTIvMDIjQXIwMjUwMg then you will see Worlds largest selling english daily The Times of India covered his wedding, which I think is a very notable source and the article revolves around him, this along with other sources that I have previously added will make this article as a permanent fixture, Please advise me on next steps to un-delete this article. • Cxs107 (talk) 17:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- That source only has six sentences about him, which isn't quite enough to justify having an article about him. We look for "significant" coverage of individuals before they can have an article. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks and I understand but this is just 1 Source which I came across today, but if you refer to my article their are atleast 7-8 other notable sources, so this will be just an add on source to what I already have, each an every statement of my article is backed by a notable source and people who have voted delete to the article are not from India and no nothing about the startup community, this deletion to me is totally un-fair. • Cxs107 (talk) 18:00, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, you didn't present any good source in the Afd, so it's not fair to blame people for supporting the article's deletion. Looking at the last version of the article before its deletion, I don't see any good sources there either. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I didnt get a chance to represent my case, I was on holiday for the thanks giving weekend and I just resumed work today and I see the page is deleted with Votes of people who are not from India and who know Nothing about the notable sources from India. • Cxs107 (talk) 18:45, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, feel free to provide me with the sources you have available. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sure I will share the article with you with all the sources later today • Cxs107 (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Will it be possible for you to temporarily restore the page so I can share all the references with you? • Cxs107 (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark, As requested, I created a page in sandbox with the current sources and following is the link for the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cxs107/sandbox • Cxs107 (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark, were you able to go through the sources that I provided in the below sandbox link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cxs107/sandbox • Cxs107 (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, those sources seem to contain brief mentions of him, not really the significant coverage we look for. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:26, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- The way I see is, when India's #1 News Paper that is Times of India is covering his wedding then the Person needs to be a known personality and they even went to the extent of posting pictures of his wedding on http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/parties/delhi/shagun-abhinavs-wedding-ceremony-/Shagun-Abhinavs-wedding-ceremony/articleshow/26778982.cms also in other articles his role in his companies are clearly defined and each statement of my article is backed by a notable source and juts today I saw his company Appy Pie getting coverage on http://mashable.com/2013/12/03/build-mobile-apps/ & http://www.linkiesta.it/creare-applicazioni and being a founder of Appy Pie makes him a perfect candidate for having a listing on wikipedia (• Cxs107 (talk)19:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark, were you able to go through the sources that I provided in the below sandbox link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cxs107/sandbox • Cxs107 (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark, As requested, I created a page in sandbox with the current sources and following is the link for the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cxs107/sandbox • Cxs107 (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, feel free to provide me with the sources you have available. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I didnt get a chance to represent my case, I was on holiday for the thanks giving weekend and I just resumed work today and I see the page is deleted with Votes of people who are not from India and who know Nothing about the notable sources from India. • Cxs107 (talk) 18:45, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, you didn't present any good source in the Afd, so it's not fair to blame people for supporting the article's deletion. Looking at the last version of the article before its deletion, I don't see any good sources there either. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks and I understand but this is just 1 Source which I came across today, but if you refer to my article their are atleast 7-8 other notable sources, so this will be just an add on source to what I already have, each an every statement of my article is backed by a notable source and people who have voted delete to the article are not from India and no nothing about the startup community, this deletion to me is totally un-fair. • Cxs107 (talk) 18:00, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Deletion review for Appy Pie
I have asked for a deletion review of Appy Pie. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Cxs107 (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark looks like my Article has been restored for discussion, please advise me of how I can replace my old article with the one in I re-drafted at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cxs107/sandbox/Appy_Pie which I think meets all the guidelines of WP.
- I don't think there's anything you need to do at present, but you might ask at DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark please see the sources of this page "12 in total" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Appy_Pie all the sources are highly reputable and there is no reason I can think of this page to be deleted, I didnt know what I was supposed to do at DRV, but now I see the page is deleted, please tell me why this page was not re-listed? Cxs107 (talk) 19:00, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I think you should submit it to Afc and see what the Afc reviewer tells you. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I have already done that, also I want the article Name as Appy Pie Inc and not just Appy Pie, how should I go about this? 19:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cxs107 (talk • contribs)
- Well, usually we don't use "Inc" in titles. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I have already done that, also I want the article Name as Appy Pie Inc and not just Appy Pie, how should I go about this? 19:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cxs107 (talk • contribs)
- I think you should submit it to Afc and see what the Afc reviewer tells you. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello Mark please see the sources of this page "12 in total" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Appy_Pie all the sources are highly reputable and there is no reason I can think of this page to be deleted, I didnt know what I was supposed to do at DRV, but now I see the page is deleted, please tell me why this page was not re-listed? Cxs107 (talk) 19:00, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think there's anything you need to do at present, but you might ask at DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Request advice/assistance
Hey, Mark. We have a content dispute at Pink Floyd in which three accounts have teamed-up to block the reversion of a poorly written and dubious claim. Can you please stop by and offer some advice? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 20:25, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hmm, I don't have a very strong opinion about the matter, sorry. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:56, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, it was more to the point of using three accounts to block a reversion. Is that really all one needs to do to block a reversion and degrade an article, is to have two friends help you win an edit war? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 21:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- The best thing to do would be to try to get some more users to weigh in. Maybe send some neutrally worded requests for input to the other top editors of the page or ask on a Wikiproject. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:07, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, it was more to the point of using three accounts to block a reversion. Is that really all one needs to do to block a reversion and degrade an article, is to have two friends help you win an edit war? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 21:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Do you think that this is sufficiently neutral: "There is a content dispute at Pink Floyd; your input there would be appreciated"? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 21:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be perfect. My apologies for not getting involved, but it's not a topic I'm very familiar with and it might take a bit of time for me to get up to speed on the issue. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:41, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Do you think that this is sufficiently neutral: "There is a content dispute at Pink Floyd; your input there would be appreciated"? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 21:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- As kind of a side question, what is the proper way to deal with an addition that contains factual errors, or makes claims not supported by the cited source? I am all out of reverts at the article, but the contested addition contains WP:OR and explicitly states something that the source does not. Do I need to leave this error in a FA until the consensus is clearly in favour or removal? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 22:29, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- That's a tricky situation. You're allowed to break 3RR in cases of blatant vandalism, but in this case I think you might have to wait until there's more input. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like the consensus at talk is clearly against inclusion (8-0). Do you think that I've waited long enough, or should I give it another day before removing the contested addition. GabeMc (talk|contribs) 18:11, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if there's an 8-0 consensus I think it's safe to remove it then, yes. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you're not too busy, would you mind taking a look so as to confirm my assertion that consensus is clearly against inclusion? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 18:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think you're right. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do I need to wait until it's been at least 24 hours since my last revert there to avoid a 3RR violation? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 18:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, technically you've only made one revert in the past 24 hours, so I think you're in the clear to revert again. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do I need to wait until it's been at least 24 hours since my last revert there to avoid a 3RR violation? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 18:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think you're right. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you're not too busy, would you mind taking a look so as to confirm my assertion that consensus is clearly against inclusion? GabeMc (talk|contribs) 18:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if there's an 8-0 consensus I think it's safe to remove it then, yes. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Fringe/COI edits
Hi Mark, need your help here. This guy won't drop the stick. Montanabw(talk) 23:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I left him a warning. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Change on Billboard
Hello Mark.
I'll correct the Billboard page again because there is obviously a mistake. It says in the main article that "It was first published on November 1, 1984", and then in the section right after, in HISTORY, it says "Billboard was founded in Cincinnati on November 1, 1894". It's only a problem with the "9" and the "8", isn't? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.96.218.147 (talk) 02:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, that was my mistake, I got the numbers mixed up and thought you were changing it to the wrong date. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
All good!
AfD Consensus
Hi, Mark
Judging by the precedent of closed "kept" AfD cases, I think this one is ready to be closed. I'm not sure if this is something that I could do, so just letting you know. Your call. And so I know for future, do I (non-sysop) have the authority to close an AfD case as kept? :) BenYes? 03:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've closed it. You could have done so yourself, actually. See WP:NAC for the letter of the law, but if it has been almost a week and there are 5-10 people supporting keeping the article and no support for deletion other than the nominator, anyone can close it. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. You reply faster than some of my Facebook friends! BenYes? 04:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I try :) Mark Arsten (talk) 04:11, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. You reply faster than some of my Facebook friends! BenYes? 04:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Can you reduce its expiration? Vandalism was due to our known friend, so by 4/5 December it will normalize. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 06:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- sure. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Admin assistance please
Mark, Can you please have a look at this edit and this edit as violations of WP:NPA? I am unsure what actions to take here. --LauraHale (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've left him a reminder. It might be best to disengage for a bit at this point. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Domnina (Daughter of Nero)
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The article Domnina (daughter of Nero) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- Too short, lacks relevance to warrant the subjects own article. Perhaps putting the article into the article for Nero would be better.
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notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
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will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.
I'd like to be clear, I don't think the article is useless, but perhaps in the wrong place.
Meeeeeeee39 (talk) 15:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, but articles that have been through Afd are not eligible for PROD. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
SPI template is baffling <g>
I have made a report at SPI -- I thought I followed the directions exactly, but the case does not show up :(. Might you tell me where I erred? The case is about User:Richrakh and his myriad socks -- the latest of which quite appears to be User:Glenshiph. All eight show identical editing times, identical editing positions, at the identical same article. Many thanks. Collect (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know what you did, but you really messed it up :) I've formatted the request itself for now. It might show up on the list in a few minutes, I'll check again though. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. MIT degrees do not help on some of these much at all <g>. Collect (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, looks like we took care of them! Mark Arsten (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. MIT degrees do not help on some of these much at all <g>. Collect (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Deletion of Agency Republic
Hey Mark,
I was baffled finding out that Agency Republic was deleted after its 3rd nomination. The article may not be in optimal shape but even an awards-only article is a valid stub if presenting facts in a neutral manner.
With the advisory board being chaired by ezine pioneer Andy Hobsbawm, the company worked for a great number of the most important brands, for the British government, the Royal Air Force etc. p.p. No, notability is not inherited, but contracts with major companies are strong indications for the agency being top-of-the-line. This is further strengthened by the awards the agency received: D&AD, One Show, The Webbies, Cannes Lions and Creative Circle are some of the most desirable design and advertising awards.
IMHO that's a quite impressive lineup and a quite strong indication that it is one of the UKs leading creative agencies. SarahStierch's "research" resulting in the company being not notable IMHO just isn't credible. Therefore, I'd like to ask you to restore the article or to submit it to a deletion review.
I'm usually more interested in political topics not businesses, yet hit a previous AfD round, and am not personally or financially or in any way involved with this agency.
Thank you, --PanchoS (talk) 23:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- My advice would be to create a well-sourced, NPOV draft of the article in your userspace. Then we can talk about possible restoring it. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, I certainly won't spend so much time for restoring an article I'm basically not interested in. It's just that I'm quite certain that the deletion based on supposedly missing notability was incorrect. --PanchoS (talk) 01:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Well, there were more than just notability issues. As the nominator pointed out, the page was worded in a very promotional way. The nominator's rationale was in line with the WP:TNT essay, to some extent. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:58, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, I certainly won't spend so much time for restoring an article I'm basically not interested in. It's just that I'm quite certain that the deletion based on supposedly missing notability was incorrect. --PanchoS (talk) 01:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again
For helping here.
Once upon a time, you suggested that I should spend lots more time working on protection problems. I'll return the favour; have you ever considered spending more time on Balkan problems? bobrayner (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I hadn't given much thought to that, no. But it sounds like a good place to help out. You only have to ask once :) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Hey About Nickelodeon Israel
Hey Mark, I live in israel, and watching always Nickelodeon israel, and its on air always so why you not letting me edit the page?
- You are free to continue to edit the page, but I reverted this edit because it seemed like you were adding random words into the text, like "Over" and "Bold text". Mark Arsten (talk) 01:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi! The article on the subject was deleted by you on 3rd Dec after PROD expiry as "This article does not have any reliable source". I don't know how i missed the PROD. It never got listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Article alerts i guess. There are some editors around these days who find it very easy to PROD articles but not look out for references around. Anyways... i don't expect Admins to do that job. Could you please restore the article if it at all had any worthwhile info in it? I now see that another user has created a redirect on 4th. But the subject actor does have many references. Check these samples from Times of India: It was frustrating to play a character role: Karan Goddwani, I never left comedy: Karan Goddwani where his numerous roles are enlisted. The subject would not have been deleted even if AfDed and hence i am bothering to get it restored. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, I've undeleted the history of the page. Do as you think best. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Userfication
Hello. I am asking for userfication, to my userpage, of deleted article named "HireJungle". Article was deleted due to poor referencing, although it had appeared in certain notable media, such as NY Times, which was acknowledged by other users. In the meantime, some new media coverage appeared both in the USA and the UK (The Telegraph), so I think the article can be improved. Thank you --BiH (talk) 14:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Alright, it's at User:BiH/HireJungle now. Let me know if you need anything else. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Layal Najib
Please undelete the fair use photo for Layal Najib now that it is in mainspace. Thank you, Crtew (talk) 19:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)