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:::::I don't know why you would accuse someone or some group of editors again. What else do you want me to say? I've explained myself. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 02:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC) |
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==DYK for Theeb== |
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The Jordan Barnstar of National Merit | |
Excellent and noteworthy work improving Amman, Jordan to GA-status. LavaBaron (talk) 20:51, 2 October 2015 (UTC) |
@LavaBaron: Thank you! --Makeandtoss (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
DYK for Amman
Gatoclass (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
DYK for Al-Maghtas
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Jordan Air Ambulance Center
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
January 2016
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Mudar Zahran. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. This edit summary is unacceptable. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: I did assume good faith for Smartse, 3 months ago. After having several discussions with him, it became quite obvious that he has no good faith in editing. His last edit was done now because he wants to benefit from the period where the article would be protected. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad you did, and it would behoove you to continue doing so. This nonsense about a Facebook group is ridiculous. "Last edit" makes no sense anyway since protection ran out on 29 December, and Smartse's last edit was 31 January; even if it did I don't understand what you are trying to argue. But it's immaterial anyway: your accusation is unacceptable and I urge you not to repeat it, or make similar remarks. BTW, I am about to semi-protect the article anyway: there is too much trolling and socking going on. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Don't worry. I dont make baseless accusations. If you insist, I can send you the EXACT facebook profile of the german IP!!! I know these gang, they think they are smart. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Well, that would mean Smartse gets around a bit. See User:Smartse#Alternative_accounts. I don't insist on anything except that you don't make such accusations; if you think there is something that needs to be looked into and it involves linking IPs to accounts, you better keep that off-wiki. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Don't worry I know I am not allowed to link a name to an IP. Here you go, here's a tiny example. This is very very clear, both on December 1st.[1], [2]. I even know who the Canadian IP belongs to!! Makeandtoss (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, it is not clear. I don't know which Canadian IP you mean, and I don't really care. What you have is a tweet by the subject and a revert by Smartse--a revert that comes after this edit, which removed content removed much earlier already as a BLP violation, if memory serves, and which you then undo with a false claim of vandalism. Smartse's edit comes after you and that other editor go back and forth: it is Smartse's job to prevent BLP violations.
So you have given an incomplete account of what happened, and your suggestion of causation, that the tweet and Smartse's edit have something to do with each other, is untenable. Who knows, maybe the subject has friends or whatever, but you have no proof whatsoever that Smartse is one of the--to put it mildly. I really, really suggest you stop. I am sure you are aware of the discretionary sanctions authorized by ArbCom for that article (under WP:ARBPIA--specifically Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Final_decision), and I will not hesitate to topic-ban you from this and perhaps other articles. At this moment, I think you are at least guilty of playing fast and loose with the BLP, if you're not in outright violation of it; you've been edit-warring on that article for quite some time; you are failing to assume good faith; and you are threatening to out other editors. Please don't think this is not serious. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: As I said, that is a tiny example. I underwent several discussions over the period of months in order to get things correct, in alot of examples; Smartse suddenly refused to continue discussion on talk page, he also rejected participating in an dispute resolution that I initiated. Smartse is doing absolutely nothing to solve this conflict, he just prefers to revert. His latest revert, he claimed that the sources are primary and that the content doesn't have weight. I reverted him because he did not even care to check the sources, the last two were not primary. You accusing me of edit warring is obscene and I suggest that you turn this accusation to someone else. Someone perhaps like the ones operating a sockpuppetry network or the ones rejecting discussion.Makeandtoss (talk) 20:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, it is not clear. I don't know which Canadian IP you mean, and I don't really care. What you have is a tweet by the subject and a revert by Smartse--a revert that comes after this edit, which removed content removed much earlier already as a BLP violation, if memory serves, and which you then undo with a false claim of vandalism. Smartse's edit comes after you and that other editor go back and forth: it is Smartse's job to prevent BLP violations.
- @Drmies: Don't worry I know I am not allowed to link a name to an IP. Here you go, here's a tiny example. This is very very clear, both on December 1st.[1], [2]. I even know who the Canadian IP belongs to!! Makeandtoss (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Well, that would mean Smartse gets around a bit. See User:Smartse#Alternative_accounts. I don't insist on anything except that you don't make such accusations; if you think there is something that needs to be looked into and it involves linking IPs to accounts, you better keep that off-wiki. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Don't worry. I dont make baseless accusations. If you insist, I can send you the EXACT facebook profile of the german IP!!! I know these gang, they think they are smart. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad you did, and it would behoove you to continue doing so. This nonsense about a Facebook group is ridiculous. "Last edit" makes no sense anyway since protection ran out on 29 December, and Smartse's last edit was 31 January; even if it did I don't understand what you are trying to argue. But it's immaterial anyway: your accusation is unacceptable and I urge you not to repeat it, or make similar remarks. BTW, I am about to semi-protect the article anyway: there is too much trolling and socking going on. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, I wish you had stopped before the last sentence. I mean, claiming you weren't edit warring is silly, but that claim isn't disruptive, but then you had to go and make the same accusation you did before--an accusation I have warned you to stop repeating. I am hereby banning you from editing Mudar Zahran and its talk page, and from the topic of this person in any other article, broadly construed, for the next six months. You can see what options for an appeal you have in Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions#Appeals_and_modifications. To be clear: continuing to edit this article means you will be blocked. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: What! I didn't accuse anyone in my last sentence, especially not Smartse of sockpuppetry.Makeandtoss (talk) 10:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- I disagree. You made a blanket accusation that in the context cannot be read differently. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: You literally notified me, why would I accuse again!? I was saying that instead of saying that a user who constantly was open to discussion, edit warred, against people who preferred other means.. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies:...Makeandtoss (talk) 18:10, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: WP:ADMINACCT Makeandtoss (talk) 20:59, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- I disagree. You made a blanket accusation that in the context cannot be read differently. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: What! I didn't accuse anyone in my last sentence, especially not Smartse of sockpuppetry.Makeandtoss (talk) 10:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Theeb
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Wine Template
I removed Palestine from the template. The template is for active wine regions. We should not be including historic regions in the template it would get too messy. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:29, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sir Joseph:Then I will include today's active Palestinian wine industry into the article Makeandtoss (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sir Joseph: done. Makeandtoss (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Your edit on Greater Israel
Thank you. Please see my comment Talk:Greater_Israel#Maps_without_Source addressing the same, and no followup comments. Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 20:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sfarney: Thanks, I nominated it for deletion on commons.. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- The remaining map has the same problem. Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- File:Davids-kingdom.jpg this one? Makeandtoss (talk) 21:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Yes. It is the bedrock of the article. It does not agree with the text ("from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates") -- the map does not extend to Egypt. Why draw the border to connect to that part of the Euphrates, when the river extends from the Persian Gulf almost to Turkey? It doesn't say, nor does it refer to any source for the choice. OR? Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 23:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sfarney: Anyone can edit the picture... Take a look at the image history Makeandtoss (talk) 23:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss: Then that is even worse! Where is the authority for that?? Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 23:53, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Haha! What a circus! Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 23:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sfarney:[3] I guess you should join the discussion. I am not really knowledgable in this field... Makeandtoss (talk) 23:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- I'm there, and editors are not experts by definition or vocation. We know how to find experts, and we always cite references. Regardless of the "expert" editor, a map without authority is just someone's opinion. Like facebook or pinterest. Or your local pub. The image history is priceless! Thanks for that. Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 00:17, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sfarney: Lol, worse! It belong to a blogspot or some propaganda site. Makeandtoss (talk) 00:54, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sfarney:[3] I guess you should join the discussion. I am not really knowledgable in this field... Makeandtoss (talk) 23:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Sfarney: Anyone can edit the picture... Take a look at the image history Makeandtoss (talk) 23:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Yes. It is the bedrock of the article. It does not agree with the text ("from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates") -- the map does not extend to Egypt. Why draw the border to connect to that part of the Euphrates, when the river extends from the Persian Gulf almost to Turkey? It doesn't say, nor does it refer to any source for the choice. OR? Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 23:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- File:Davids-kingdom.jpg this one? Makeandtoss (talk) 21:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- The remaining map has the same problem. Grammar'sLittleHelper (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)