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::::Well, that would mean Smartse gets around a bit. See [[User:Smartse#Alternative_accounts]]. I don't insist on anything except that you don't make such accusations; if you think there is something that needs to be looked into and it involves linking IPs to accounts, you better keep that off-wiki. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC) |
::::Well, that would mean Smartse gets around a bit. See [[User:Smartse#Alternative_accounts]]. I don't insist on anything except that you don't make such accusations; if you think there is something that needs to be looked into and it involves linking IPs to accounts, you better keep that off-wiki. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Drmies}} Don't worry I know I am not allowed to link a name to an IP. Here you go, here's a tiny example. This is very very clear, both on December 1st.[https://mobile.twitter.com/Mudar_Zahran/status/671832122097840128 ], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudar_Zahran&type=revision&diff=693278281&oldid=693277719 ]. I even know who the Canadian IP belongs to!! [[User:Makeandtoss|Makeandtoss]] ([[User talk:Makeandtoss#top|talk]]) 17:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC) |
:::::{{ping|Drmies}} Don't worry I know I am not allowed to link a name to an IP. Here you go, here's a tiny example. This is very very clear, both on December 1st.[https://mobile.twitter.com/Mudar_Zahran/status/671832122097840128 ], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudar_Zahran&type=revision&diff=693278281&oldid=693277719 ]. I even know who the Canadian IP belongs to!! [[User:Makeandtoss|Makeandtoss]] ([[User talk:Makeandtoss#top|talk]]) 17:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::No, it is not clear. I don't know which Canadian IP you mean, and I don't really care. What you have is a tweet by the subject and a revert by Smartse--a revert that comes after [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudar_Zahran&diff=693196017&oldid=693131041 this edit], which removed content removed much earlier already as a BLP violation, if memory serves, and which you then undo with a false claim of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mudar_Zahran&diff=next&oldid=693207737 vandalism]. Smartse's edit comes after you and that other editor go back and forth: it is Smartse's ''job'' to prevent BLP violations.<p>So you have given an incomplete account of what happened, and your suggestion of causation, that the tweet and Smartse's edit have something to do with each other, is untenable. Who knows, maybe the subject has friends or whatever, but you have no proof whatsoever that Smartse is one of the--to put it mildly. I really, ''really'' suggest you stop. I am sure you are aware of the discretionary sanctions authorized by ArbCom for that article (under [[WP:ARBPIA]]--specifically [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Final_decision]]), and I will not hesitate to topic-ban you from this and perhaps other articles. At this moment, I think you are at least guilty of playing fast and loose with the BLP, if you're not in outright violation of it; you've been edit-warring on that article for quite some time; you are failing to assume good faith; and you are threatening to out other editors. Please don't think this is not serious. Thank you, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC) |
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@LavaBaron: Thank you! --Makeandtoss (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Makeandtoss:
I'm afraid I don't understand this edit summary: "With the Syrians, that statement is no longer true. And no thats not original research".
By deleting information sourced to multiple reliable sources and not providing alternate reliable sources that support your version, you are engaging in original research.
Please explain. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Malik Shabazz: The information I deleted is quite outdated. 1.4 million Syrians, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Yemenis, and Libyans have made a substantial change in Jordanian demographics. Well I didn't really add a 'version', I just deleted information that is no longer accurate. Next month, the official Jordanian 2016 census results will be released, you will see what I mean... Makeandtoss (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but deleting sourced material because you "know" it's wrong is not permitted. See WP:Verifiability and WP:No original research. Please provide a source that says Palestinians no longer make up half the population or restore the information and wait until the next Jordanian census is published to delete the material you believe it will prove incorrect. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Malik Shabazz: Here's the census initial report [1]. Makeandtoss (talk) 00:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, Makeandtoss, for providing a source. While I have no doubt the census will vastly undercount the number of Palestinians—according to one initial report, the census will say there are only 634,000 Palestinians in Jordan—it is clear that if there are 9.5 million people in Jordan, 3.24 million Palestinians cannot make up half the population. Thanks again. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Malik Shabazz: That article is very biased, it neglects, accidentally or on purpose, the fact that some Palestinians have Jordanian citizenship. If they considered this very basic fact, their entire article and therefore argument is void and filled with non sense. Makeandtoss (talk) 01:51, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, much of the Israeli media parrots the far-right government ministers who believe that Jordan is the Palestinians' state (what the source disingenuously called "the 'alternative homeland' idea which has arisen several times among certain circles in Israel"). However, they claim to cite a Jordanian news article for their news that the census will include 634,000 Palestinians. In any event, I agree with you that including the assertion in Palestinians that Palestinians make up half the population of Jordan is not appropriate. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Malik Shabazz: Yes well, that statement that Palestinians make more than half the population is literally an advertisement for their right wing propaganda. Thanks anyway Makeandtoss (talk) 12:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Malik Shabazz: Here's the census initial report [1]. Makeandtoss (talk) 00:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but deleting sourced material because you "know" it's wrong is not permitted. See WP:Verifiability and WP:No original research. Please provide a source that says Palestinians no longer make up half the population or restore the information and wait until the next Jordanian census is published to delete the material you believe it will prove incorrect. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Reply
It is there, buried in the article and not mentioned in the lead.... See for example the various conflicting studies mentioned at Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Mt-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews and Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Autosomal_DNA. Also, see Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins#Further_reading - the Nadia Abu El Haj book. Oncenawhile (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
January 2016
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Mudar Zahran. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. This edit summary is unacceptable. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: I did assume good faith for Smartse, 3 months ago. After having several discussions with him, it became quite obvious that he has no good faith in editing. His last edit was done now because he wants to benefit from the period where the article would be protected. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad you did, and it would behoove you to continue doing so. This nonsense about a Facebook group is ridiculous. "Last edit" makes no sense anyway since protection ran out on 29 December, and Smartse's last edit was 31 January; even if it did I don't understand what you are trying to argue. But it's immaterial anyway: your accusation is unacceptable and I urge you not to repeat it, or make similar remarks. BTW, I am about to semi-protect the article anyway: there is too much trolling and socking going on. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Don't worry. I dont make baseless accusations. If you insist, I can send you the EXACT facebook profile of the german IP!!! I know these gang, they think they are smart. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Well, that would mean Smartse gets around a bit. See User:Smartse#Alternative_accounts. I don't insist on anything except that you don't make such accusations; if you think there is something that needs to be looked into and it involves linking IPs to accounts, you better keep that off-wiki. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Don't worry I know I am not allowed to link a name to an IP. Here you go, here's a tiny example. This is very very clear, both on December 1st.[2], [3]. I even know who the Canadian IP belongs to!! Makeandtoss (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, it is not clear. I don't know which Canadian IP you mean, and I don't really care. What you have is a tweet by the subject and a revert by Smartse--a revert that comes after this edit, which removed content removed much earlier already as a BLP violation, if memory serves, and which you then undo with a false claim of vandalism. Smartse's edit comes after you and that other editor go back and forth: it is Smartse's job to prevent BLP violations.
So you have given an incomplete account of what happened, and your suggestion of causation, that the tweet and Smartse's edit have something to do with each other, is untenable. Who knows, maybe the subject has friends or whatever, but you have no proof whatsoever that Smartse is one of the--to put it mildly. I really, really suggest you stop. I am sure you are aware of the discretionary sanctions authorized by ArbCom for that article (under WP:ARBPIA--specifically Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Final_decision), and I will not hesitate to topic-ban you from this and perhaps other articles. At this moment, I think you are at least guilty of playing fast and loose with the BLP, if you're not in outright violation of it; you've been edit-warring on that article for quite some time; you are failing to assume good faith; and you are threatening to out other editors. Please don't think this is not serious. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- No, it is not clear. I don't know which Canadian IP you mean, and I don't really care. What you have is a tweet by the subject and a revert by Smartse--a revert that comes after this edit, which removed content removed much earlier already as a BLP violation, if memory serves, and which you then undo with a false claim of vandalism. Smartse's edit comes after you and that other editor go back and forth: it is Smartse's job to prevent BLP violations.
- @Drmies: Don't worry I know I am not allowed to link a name to an IP. Here you go, here's a tiny example. This is very very clear, both on December 1st.[2], [3]. I even know who the Canadian IP belongs to!! Makeandtoss (talk) 17:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Well, that would mean Smartse gets around a bit. See User:Smartse#Alternative_accounts. I don't insist on anything except that you don't make such accusations; if you think there is something that needs to be looked into and it involves linking IPs to accounts, you better keep that off-wiki. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Don't worry. I dont make baseless accusations. If you insist, I can send you the EXACT facebook profile of the german IP!!! I know these gang, they think they are smart. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- I'm glad you did, and it would behoove you to continue doing so. This nonsense about a Facebook group is ridiculous. "Last edit" makes no sense anyway since protection ran out on 29 December, and Smartse's last edit was 31 January; even if it did I don't understand what you are trying to argue. But it's immaterial anyway: your accusation is unacceptable and I urge you not to repeat it, or make similar remarks. BTW, I am about to semi-protect the article anyway: there is too much trolling and socking going on. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)