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:::::::::::Oh comeon, Thomas...I apologized to you on the rfc you filed..but you felt it wasn't sincere enough...most disagreed with you..then, unsatisfied, you took your case to arbcom anyway, where it was flatly rejected...they did you a favor there I believe. It is you and has been, and still is, others, who keep trying to stir the pot...not ME. I tried to avoid you actually, and ceased editing articles such as 9/11 conspiracy theories and the controlled demolition hypothesis article...I ceased editing there to avoid YOU...so please cease patronizing me that I am the one who is looking for trouble...you act like I have driven you away from things...I assure you, it is the other way around. I just figured that if the 9/11 CTer's needed a playground for the hypothetical (as bad as it might make Wikipedia look)...then fine...so long as they didn't come mess up articles that discuss the facts about that event.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] ([[User talk:MONGO|talk]]) 11:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC) |
:::::::::::Oh comeon, Thomas...I apologized to you on the rfc you filed..but you felt it wasn't sincere enough...most disagreed with you..then, unsatisfied, you took your case to arbcom anyway, where it was flatly rejected...they did you a favor there I believe. It is you and has been, and still is, others, who keep trying to stir the pot...not ME. I tried to avoid you actually, and ceased editing articles such as 9/11 conspiracy theories and the controlled demolition hypothesis article...I ceased editing there to avoid YOU...so please cease patronizing me that I am the one who is looking for trouble...you act like I have driven you away from things...I assure you, it is the other way around. I just figured that if the 9/11 CTer's needed a playground for the hypothetical (as bad as it might make Wikipedia look)...then fine...so long as they didn't come mess up articles that discuss the facts about that event.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] ([[User talk:MONGO|talk]]) 11:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::OK. I think we agree that arbitration is necessary. See you there.--[[User:Thomas Basboll|Thomas Basboll]] ([[User talk:Thomas Basboll|talk]]) 11:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC) |
::::::::::::OK. I think we agree that arbitration is necessary. See you there.--[[User:Thomas Basboll|Thomas Basboll]] ([[User talk:Thomas Basboll|talk]]) 11:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::Yes...we surely do...I think you'll finally get your chance to try and settle old scores. Wikipedia is not a playground to promote fringe theories...nor it is a place to misuse the dispute resolution process to try and gain an advantage in content dispute.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] ([[User talk:MONGO|talk]]) 12:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== A favorite movie quote == |
== A favorite movie quote == |
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My RFA (Random832)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier 2/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Winter Soldier 2/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Anthøny 17:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Involving me in the RFARB
Hi MONGO, I've in fact been considering getting involved but still haven't heard back from Viridae. I'm curious as to why you want to involve me?--Thomas Basboll (talk) 19:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hum...well, even though you stated here that bygones be bygones...and in response to that I exceed your request to alter my subpage and went so far as to have it deleted...seeing that bygones are not going to be bygones, and instead you show up at this latest case and have something to say...I am going to make sure you have the platform you need.--MONGO (talk) 00:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- I can see how you might interpret this as an old grudge. My intention was mainly to encourage ArbCom to accept the request and put an end to debates about your behaviour. As I see it, ArbCom may send a clear signal in support of your way of doing things (as previous RfCs have) or it may make it clear that fighting vandalism (and the like) does not mean suspending WP:CIVIL. I do hope we get a chance to find out.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 07:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- I find you, as a single purpose account to be problematic. I have no doubt that your intention is not as you say it is...you'll have a very hard time working around the evidence I am planning on presenting...however, I have no doubt that I will be penalized for incivility. I had actully hoped they would accept the case you previously filed, for there I think you would have been banned from editing 9/11 related articles.--MONGO (talk) 08:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Our aims in this case are complementary then. If this case can be used also to test your objections to me as an SPA, all the better. I doubt I'll try to wiggle out of anything. If ArbCom looks at my history here and tells me that my kind is not wanted, that's fine. No hard feelings. I of course also hope you will take any censure of your incivility to heart.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 08:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thomas, I am going "all in" at arbcom...I have accomplished most what I have wanted to accomplish when I came here. I expect that after I finish presenting my evidence, I will quickly write 65 or so stubs on various glaciers so I can claim 400 article starts...each article will have as much infomation as I can cite, but in many cases, all I have is a quad map for a reference since these things aren't as well covered individually as I would like. Then, if I am not banned outright, I intend to abandon this account anyway. If I am banned, I will leave this website forever and not look back, knowing that I started 400 articles and brought some of them to featured level. So, see you at arbcom. But rest assured, I doubt that my departure will make things any easier for anyone trying to promote conspiracy theories on 9/11...someone else will surely fill my shoes, maybe even be more patient and civil as well.--MONGO (talk) 08:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I don't think you need to start 65 stubs to be proud of your work on glaciers and such (ask anyone). Your departure may make it easier to deal with the promotion of conspiracy theories at WP. All I've ever asked is that you fill those shoes more patiently and civily or, if you can't do that, to let others try. It looks like we're both trying to find out how much we can identify with the WP community.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 08:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Ha...I already know I am not your prototypical Wikipedian. We have some really excellent editors that do much better than me..but here's the thing...I have only filed one case against anyone in my 37,000 plus edits and almost 3 years on this website...there has been plenty of opportunities to do so, but I don't like doing it. Seems, I'm too busy defending myself from someone else...why...well, I take bait real easy and tend to lash out at those who call me a "liar" as has been recently done (though, all I did in response is ask him to not do that...odd that my restraint is so often overlooked)...furthermore, I have a tendency to edit difficult pages...I have run into some partisans of websites that are trying to do all they can to ensure we ban only links to harassment, not the websites themselves (although, arguably, these extremely few websites do little more than harass anyway)...well, I've managed to accumulate a few enemies as a result of my relatively hard charging, take no crap attitude...so the meat is in the pudding...surely, I confess to not always being civil..but I know the evidence is alarming that what I have been dealing with is no better, and in fact, sometimes worse than anything I have ever said or done...I am afterall, a man of a particular kind of science, at best...I suppose.--MONGO (talk) 09:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK. Let's see how it goes. I'd say you have made more enemies than you needed to and that your battles with them are more trouble than they're worth. I don't count myself among them and I don't look for "opportunities" to file cases. You've made editing difficult for me and I've tried to find out if you are justified in doing so. BTW, my favourite poet writes: "Be the trouble not the balance." I somehow respect you for living up to that ideal. I just don't think WP is the place for it. It is (officially) trying to be the opposite.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 09:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh comeon, Thomas...I apologized to you on the rfc you filed..but you felt it wasn't sincere enough...most disagreed with you..then, unsatisfied, you took your case to arbcom anyway, where it was flatly rejected...they did you a favor there I believe. It is you and has been, and still is, others, who keep trying to stir the pot...not ME. I tried to avoid you actually, and ceased editing articles such as 9/11 conspiracy theories and the controlled demolition hypothesis article...I ceased editing there to avoid YOU...so please cease patronizing me that I am the one who is looking for trouble...you act like I have driven you away from things...I assure you, it is the other way around. I just figured that if the 9/11 CTer's needed a playground for the hypothetical (as bad as it might make Wikipedia look)...then fine...so long as they didn't come mess up articles that discuss the facts about that event.--MONGO (talk) 11:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK. I think we agree that arbitration is necessary. See you there.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yes...we surely do...I think you'll finally get your chance to try and settle old scores. Wikipedia is not a playground to promote fringe theories...nor it is a place to misuse the dispute resolution process to try and gain an advantage in content dispute.--MONGO (talk) 12:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK. I think we agree that arbitration is necessary. See you there.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh comeon, Thomas...I apologized to you on the rfc you filed..but you felt it wasn't sincere enough...most disagreed with you..then, unsatisfied, you took your case to arbcom anyway, where it was flatly rejected...they did you a favor there I believe. It is you and has been, and still is, others, who keep trying to stir the pot...not ME. I tried to avoid you actually, and ceased editing articles such as 9/11 conspiracy theories and the controlled demolition hypothesis article...I ceased editing there to avoid YOU...so please cease patronizing me that I am the one who is looking for trouble...you act like I have driven you away from things...I assure you, it is the other way around. I just figured that if the 9/11 CTer's needed a playground for the hypothetical (as bad as it might make Wikipedia look)...then fine...so long as they didn't come mess up articles that discuss the facts about that event.--MONGO (talk) 11:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK. Let's see how it goes. I'd say you have made more enemies than you needed to and that your battles with them are more trouble than they're worth. I don't count myself among them and I don't look for "opportunities" to file cases. You've made editing difficult for me and I've tried to find out if you are justified in doing so. BTW, my favourite poet writes: "Be the trouble not the balance." I somehow respect you for living up to that ideal. I just don't think WP is the place for it. It is (officially) trying to be the opposite.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 09:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Ha...I already know I am not your prototypical Wikipedian. We have some really excellent editors that do much better than me..but here's the thing...I have only filed one case against anyone in my 37,000 plus edits and almost 3 years on this website...there has been plenty of opportunities to do so, but I don't like doing it. Seems, I'm too busy defending myself from someone else...why...well, I take bait real easy and tend to lash out at those who call me a "liar" as has been recently done (though, all I did in response is ask him to not do that...odd that my restraint is so often overlooked)...furthermore, I have a tendency to edit difficult pages...I have run into some partisans of websites that are trying to do all they can to ensure we ban only links to harassment, not the websites themselves (although, arguably, these extremely few websites do little more than harass anyway)...well, I've managed to accumulate a few enemies as a result of my relatively hard charging, take no crap attitude...so the meat is in the pudding...surely, I confess to not always being civil..but I know the evidence is alarming that what I have been dealing with is no better, and in fact, sometimes worse than anything I have ever said or done...I am afterall, a man of a particular kind of science, at best...I suppose.--MONGO (talk) 09:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I don't think you need to start 65 stubs to be proud of your work on glaciers and such (ask anyone). Your departure may make it easier to deal with the promotion of conspiracy theories at WP. All I've ever asked is that you fill those shoes more patiently and civily or, if you can't do that, to let others try. It looks like we're both trying to find out how much we can identify with the WP community.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 08:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thomas, I am going "all in" at arbcom...I have accomplished most what I have wanted to accomplish when I came here. I expect that after I finish presenting my evidence, I will quickly write 65 or so stubs on various glaciers so I can claim 400 article starts...each article will have as much infomation as I can cite, but in many cases, all I have is a quad map for a reference since these things aren't as well covered individually as I would like. Then, if I am not banned outright, I intend to abandon this account anyway. If I am banned, I will leave this website forever and not look back, knowing that I started 400 articles and brought some of them to featured level. So, see you at arbcom. But rest assured, I doubt that my departure will make things any easier for anyone trying to promote conspiracy theories on 9/11...someone else will surely fill my shoes, maybe even be more patient and civil as well.--MONGO (talk) 08:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- Our aims in this case are complementary then. If this case can be used also to test your objections to me as an SPA, all the better. I doubt I'll try to wiggle out of anything. If ArbCom looks at my history here and tells me that my kind is not wanted, that's fine. No hard feelings. I of course also hope you will take any censure of your incivility to heart.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 08:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- I find you, as a single purpose account to be problematic. I have no doubt that your intention is not as you say it is...you'll have a very hard time working around the evidence I am planning on presenting...however, I have no doubt that I will be penalized for incivility. I had actully hoped they would accept the case you previously filed, for there I think you would have been banned from editing 9/11 related articles.--MONGO (talk) 08:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- I can see how you might interpret this as an old grudge. My intention was mainly to encourage ArbCom to accept the request and put an end to debates about your behaviour. As I see it, ArbCom may send a clear signal in support of your way of doing things (as previous RfCs have) or it may make it clear that fighting vandalism (and the like) does not mean suspending WP:CIVIL. I do hope we get a chance to find out.--Thomas Basboll (talk) 07:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
A favorite movie quote
"Today I settled all Family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo." - Michael Corleone Crockspot (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
"They drew First Blood...not me!" Sylvester Stallone...aka "Rambo"...First Blood.--MONGO (talk) 00:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)