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::::: Ok so then if you aren't basing this "close" on the MFD, you are basing it on nothing. You cannot close something without a consensus-establishing discussion. You are though still INVOLVED as you expressed a desire to close it in the MFD. Levivich also restored your "close" but he is also INVOLVED. Just because you are opposed to the idea of this WikiProject doesn't mean you can "close" discussion about it. Imagine if editors wanted to make a WikiProject for a specific sports team, but editors who are fans of a rival came in, outnumbered them, and "closed" the idea of the WikiProject? Imagine the same if rival country WikiProjects could be shut down in this way. Or rival political ideologies. Ridiculous idea... and that's why WikiProject proposals are not "closed". Please show me ANY evidence of there being such a "stated procedure" to do so. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 21:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC) |
::::: Ok so then if you aren't basing this "close" on the MFD, you are basing it on nothing. You cannot close something without a consensus-establishing discussion. You are though still INVOLVED as you expressed a desire to close it in the MFD. Levivich also restored your "close" but he is also INVOLVED. Just because you are opposed to the idea of this WikiProject doesn't mean you can "close" discussion about it. Imagine if editors wanted to make a WikiProject for a specific sports team, but editors who are fans of a rival came in, outnumbered them, and "closed" the idea of the WikiProject? Imagine the same if rival country WikiProjects could be shut down in this way. Or rival political ideologies. Ridiculous idea... and that's why WikiProject proposals are not "closed". Please show me ANY evidence of there being such a "stated procedure" to do so. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 21:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::: {{re|Netoholic}} You're logic is so flawed here. The criteria for WikiProjects is dead simple: Per [[WP:COUNCIL/P]], {{tq|If you do not have a '''group of people''', then you do not have a WikiProject, even if you have created a WikiProject page. A WikiProject is the people, not the page.}} I count a total of one person who was supportive of your idea in that discussion (you). I've also followed [[WP:NACINV]] rather well. I've only been involved in discussions at MFD which are incidental to this discussion which I've closed. If I said, "Hey I'm going to close X discussion." then I wouldn't have a COI in regards to closing that discussion. To your last point: [[Template:Archived WikiProject Proposal top/doc]]. –<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]] [[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 00:50, 9 July 2019 (UTC) |
:::::: {{re|Netoholic}} You're logic is so flawed here. The criteria for WikiProjects is dead simple: Per [[WP:COUNCIL/P]], {{tq|If you do not have a '''group of people''', then you do not have a WikiProject, even if you have created a WikiProject page. A WikiProject is the people, not the page.}} I count a total of one person who was supportive of your idea in that discussion (you). I've also followed [[WP:NACINV]] rather well. I've only been involved in discussions at MFD which are incidental to this discussion which I've closed. If I said, "Hey I'm going to close X discussion." then I wouldn't have a COI in regards to closing that discussion. To your last point: [[Template:Archived WikiProject Proposal top/doc]]. –<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]] [[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 00:50, 9 July 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::: Do you really not realize the difference between CLOSURE (ie, an end to a discussion) and ARCHIVING (delisting when a discussion has served its purpose)? WikiProject Council Proposals are designed -precisely- to gather interest in a WikiProject - and the Men proposal has only been listed 2 months vs some proposals that have been present for several years. The only proposals on that page which should be ARCHIVED are those that have 1) been created, or 2) Proposer has withdrawn or gone inactive. Neither is the case here. You clearly are applying incorrect procedure to the Men proposal, and doing so as a thinly-veiled tactic because you personally oppose the proposal itself. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 02:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Stalinism
You are claiming that the picture showing Lenin and Stalin, is doctored. Please provide proof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: Thank you for discussing this with me. In the image already exists two inline citations: [1][2]
References
- ^ Gilbert, Felix; Large, David Clay (2008). The End of the European Era: 1890 to the Present (6th ed.). New York City: W. W. Norton & Company. p. 213. ISBN 978-0393930405.
- ^ Jones, Jonathan (29 August 2012). "The fake photographs that predate Photoshop". The Guardian. Retrieved 27 August 2016.
In a 1949 portrait, the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin is seen as a young man with Lenin. Stalin and Lenin were close friends, judging from this photograph. But it is doctored, of course. Two portraits have been sutured to sentimentalise Stalin's life and closeness to Lenin.
- –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Your second reference is unsubstantiated claim in the article, not providing any evidence whatsoever. The reference to a book is of no value either because we have seen so many books treating this subject to the contrary. Proof of a fake character of the photo can be provided by referring to Russian state archives, which I have at hand. Please have a look: https://yroslav1985.livejournal.com/154352.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by an unknown user 14:17, 20 June 2019
- The references you are providing, to show that a photo of Stalin and Lenis is doctored, are not relevant. Please have a look at this one please https://yroslav1985.livejournal.com/154352.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: Livejournals pages are not consider to be a Reliable source. If you can cite one of these books you are referring to, then I would agree with your change. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:23, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Livejournals are probably not a reliable source, but Russian state archives are. Please go to them and provide your evidence that the photo does not exist, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- When referring to doctoring photos, we may easily refer to the attached https://cameralabs.org/11680-sovetskij-fotoshop-kak-v-stalinskuyu-epokhu-izbavlyalis-ot-lyudej-i-perepisyvali-istoriyu, but clearly not to the fact that Stalin (who was a general secretary of the party, whose leader was Lenin) visited Lenin at the time of the illness of the latter! Otherwise where would Lenis's testament come from?? What you are doing by your insistance that the photo is doctored, is that you are effectively re-writing the Soviet history, which you do not have any right to do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: I don't have access to the Russian state archives. I live in Middlesex County, Connecticut. I also am not trying to re-write Soviet history here. I'm just trying to enforce Wikipedia's policies –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:38, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't say that you are trying to re-write the Soviet history. I said that you are effectively re-writing it by claiming that the photo of Lenin and Stalin is fake. It is not true. The photo is not fake. It does exist in Russian archives. I agree that there was a lot of "fake" stuff in there but not the fact that Stalin visited Lenin at the time of the illness of the latter, and that occasionally lenin's relatives were taking photos. There is nothing wrong with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: I'm confused now because the last link you just sent me says the photo is also a fake? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @MJL 1) I didn't say that you are trying to re-write the Soviet history. I said that you are effectively re-writing it by claiming that the photo of Lenin and Stalin is fake. It is not true. The photo is not fake. It does exist in Russian archives. I agree that there was a lot of "fake" stuff in there but not the fact that Stalin visited Lenin at the time of the illness of the latter, and that occasionally lenin's relatives were taking photos. There is nothing wrong with this. 2) the second link I sent you is affectively comparing real photos with "photoshopped" ones: some people deleted, for instance. This link shows that there was manipulation of photos. True. There was. So what I was trying to say is that 1) manipulation did indeed exist. This is absolutely true. But 2) not in regard to Stalin visiting Lenin during the illness of the latter. Am I a bit clearer now?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: Sorry, but it includes the contentious image in it and says it's a fake as well. From the link: "
From the mid-1930s, a huge propaganda machine worked on the exaltation of Stalin's personality. The photo in the upper left corner of "Lenin and Stalin in Gorki" (1922) is a fake. It was created to show the working people the close friendship of Stalin with Lenin, when Ulyanov’s health deteriorated, and it was time to choose a successor. Workers believed.
" I'm sorry I am not understanding you. This is what it says? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)- @MJL: this issue has been discussed in Russian internet all over and eventually it was proven that the photo does exist. What I was trying to say is that "photoshopping" existed. Period. But to say that the photo of Lenin and Stalin is fake, is like saying that Stalin is fake, or maybe even Lenin is fake, or maybe be even both are fake. Why say uncompromisingly that the photo is fake?? If you continue on insisting that it is fake, why not write allegedly fake? Why not give it a benefit of a doubt?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: You might like to read Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. It's an essay about how Wikipedia prioritizes claims that can be verified rather than what is supposed to be true. If you can show me sources that explicitly agree with you, then that's all it takes. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @MJL: this issue has been discussed in Russian internet all over and eventually it was proven that the photo does exist. What I was trying to say is that "photoshopping" existed. Period. But to say that the photo of Lenin and Stalin is fake, is like saying that Stalin is fake, or maybe even Lenin is fake, or maybe be even both are fake. Why say uncompromisingly that the photo is fake?? If you continue on insisting that it is fake, why not write allegedly fake? Why not give it a benefit of a doubt?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: Sorry, but it includes the contentious image in it and says it's a fake as well. From the link: "
- @MJL 1) I didn't say that you are trying to re-write the Soviet history. I said that you are effectively re-writing it by claiming that the photo of Lenin and Stalin is fake. It is not true. The photo is not fake. It does exist in Russian archives. I agree that there was a lot of "fake" stuff in there but not the fact that Stalin visited Lenin at the time of the illness of the latter, and that occasionally lenin's relatives were taking photos. There is nothing wrong with this. 2) the second link I sent you is affectively comparing real photos with "photoshopped" ones: some people deleted, for instance. This link shows that there was manipulation of photos. True. There was. So what I was trying to say is that 1) manipulation did indeed exist. This is absolutely true. But 2) not in regard to Stalin visiting Lenin during the illness of the latter. Am I a bit clearer now?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: I don't have access to the Russian state archives. I live in Middlesex County, Connecticut. I also am not trying to re-write Soviet history here. I'm just trying to enforce Wikipedia's policies –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:38, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- When referring to doctoring photos, we may easily refer to the attached https://cameralabs.org/11680-sovetskij-fotoshop-kak-v-stalinskuyu-epokhu-izbavlyalis-ot-lyudej-i-perepisyvali-istoriyu, but clearly not to the fact that Stalin (who was a general secretary of the party, whose leader was Lenin) visited Lenin at the time of the illness of the latter! Otherwise where would Lenis's testament come from?? What you are doing by your insistance that the photo is doctored, is that you are effectively re-writing the Soviet history, which you do not have any right to do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Livejournals are probably not a reliable source, but Russian state archives are. Please go to them and provide your evidence that the photo does not exist, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: Livejournals pages are not consider to be a Reliable source. If you can cite one of these books you are referring to, then I would agree with your change. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:23, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Bv36: oh, okay.. Sorry if you did not feel that this conversation was constructive. Please take care. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:13, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @MJL https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lenin_and_stalin_crop.jpg PLUS https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/294833 AND please have a look at this: "Although Stalin did visit Lenin there frequently, the photograph has been heavily reworked: retouchers smoothed Stalin’s pockmarked complexion, lengthened his shriveled left arm, and increased his stature so that Lenin seems to recede benignly beside his trusted heir apparent." This is THE MET, not me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @MJL This is where the truth lies: doctored in the sense that the face ogf Stalin was reworked, but not the fact of the photo. The photo is true — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @MJL What I aws concerned with, is when we say "doctored", readers immediately think that the whole photo is fake, which is not true at all. It would be fantastic if you could think how to phrase it so as not to create an illusion that the whole fact of their meeting is fake. Have a nice one anyway! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- The references you are providing, to show that a photo of Stalin and Lenis is doctored, are not relevant. Please have a look at this one please https://yroslav1985.livejournal.com/154352.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Your second reference is unsubstantiated claim in the article, not providing any evidence whatsoever. The reference to a book is of no value either because we have seen so many books treating this subject to the contrary. Proof of a fake character of the photo can be provided by referring to Russian state archives, which I have at hand. Please have a look: https://yroslav1985.livejournal.com/154352.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by an unknown user 14:17, 20 June 2019
I just made my 10,000th edit.
And it pretty much was a test edit.... –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:01, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
This editor is a Veteran Editor and is entitled to display this Iron Editor Star. |
Careful with that iron star, it'll rust in the rain! WanderingWanda (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- @WanderingWanda: I don't know if I have "2 years of service" tho..? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:30, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- Pish posh, you've been registered for more than 2 years. WP:SERVICE:
Service awards are...based on two specific benchmarks: the number of contributions that the editor has made to Wikipedia and the length of time registered.
WanderingWanda (talk) 02:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- Pish posh, you've been registered for more than 2 years. WP:SERVICE:
- You've got a long way to go before these awarded milestones begin to mean anything, but keep up the good work! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
- Some might say they never mean anything. 😉
neither the number of edits nor the length of time from when an account was created is a good indicator of the quality of an editor's contributions or diplomatic ability.
– Wikipedia:SERVICE WanderingWanda (talk) 03:46, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Some might say they never mean anything. 😉
June 2019
I'm due for another sad break (especially after this AE report). –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 00:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
- I’m sorry that left you feeling stressed but the response to that report was entirely predictable. I don’t see why you felt the need to drag Eric to AE for such a minor violation. You’ve previously been advised to refrain from wannabe admin type activity and focus on content creation and I really think that’s advice you should follow. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:45, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Pawnkingthree: While I appreciate the sympathy on your part, I would be remiss as to not make it clear that my warning was for admin-y type activities and not
wannabe admin type
activities. The distinction should be made clear as I was being warned for my (1) unnecessary clerking, (2) offering unsolicited advice to established editors, and (3) making light of serious requests for me to slow down because I don't always know what I'm doing. Were I to follow your recommendation to the letter, I'd be unable to participate in XFD discussions nor submit WP:AIV reports.
However, I am not obtuse enough as to be incognizant of your intimation this is not an issue with my anti-vandal work but instead my participating in Wikidrama. To that I am unable to retort because it is abundantly clear that our community prioritizes whether a person is perceived as uncontroversial more so than their ability to try to learn from their mistakes. Even if I was wrong on that count, I still have been advised to stay away from certain discussions until I am better equipped to properly handle them.
Further, I have no intention of staying out of contentious discussions; so long as (1) I balance the needs of this community to be free of disruption with my own admitted self-righteousness and desire to make this a more friendly place, and (2) there is something I feel I am able to uniquely contribute that will productively add to the discussion or help strengthen our policies on conduct (ie. when I'm properly equipped to handle it). This still being the case; if I am warned by Swarm or another familiar administrator that I am stepping back into old habits, I of course will re-evaluate and change course.
Your feedback is appreciated, welcomed, and will be taken to heart moving forward. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 20:34, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Pawnkingthree: While I appreciate the sympathy on your part, I would be remiss as to not make it clear that my warning was for admin-y type activities and not
- Hope my favorite XKCD cheers you up a bit. – Levivich 03:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Levivich: lmao this is one of my favorites! :D –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 04:04, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- And one of my favorite Nedroids: http://nedroid.com/2009/06/dating-faux-pas/ WanderingWanda (talk) 04:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Don't take much of the stuff that happens over here seriously; at the end of day, this is a website. Nothing more, nothing less. And, don't drag longstanding editors to any sanction-board for borderline violations; they emit far heat and ill-feelings than light. I consider you to be one of the sane folks over here and here's to meeting you in the mainspace! ∯WBGconverse 20:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- I appreciate your recent review of my first from-scratch page and belated welcome to reddit. Do not be discouraged! Maybe take a few days for yourself and away from the internet Starsandfrost (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Starsandfrost: This is not a bad idea.... Hmm... 🤔 (thinking face) Also, I am glad you liked it! I hope you stick around and consider joing WikiProject Women in Red since they have a ton of resources to help you out in your goal. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:57, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Caloola Club (Draft)
First, thanks for being the reviewer of this article. This is my second rejection for this article. The first was for the given reason that the article was about 'a run of the mill local organisation'. So, I added more material, which I think demonstrates that was not the case, and resubmitted it then with twenty-two references. Now, it has been rejected again based on the sourcing not being verifiable. This is not the first article I have written for Wikipedia, but it is my first second rejection. I am comparing the Caloola Club Draft with some other articles (The Bush Club, Sydney Bush Walkers Club) on similar topics, which have made it past draft, and I really don't understand what more I need to do. Although I did not intend to expand this article, beyond what is there now, I am willing to do more work, if needed. I would really appreciate some guidance. For example, is it because the 22 references in the article are not verifiable - most are on-line - or are more citations needed? Are there some particular examples that you can give me? Note that I do want to meet Wikipedia's standards, and I don't want to argue about this second rejection; I am accepting that there is a valid reason for this second rejection. Also, take it as a given that I have read the link on reliable sourcing. I am just unsure of what is necessary to move the article forward, without some concrete examples of where I am astray. Thanks. TrimmerinWiki— Preceding unsigned comment added by TrimmerinWiki (talk • contribs) 02:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
- @TrimmerinWiki: Thank you for reaching out to me! Denying this draft was a tough call for me in all honesty. The primary reason I denied the article was it had an unclear method for citing its sources. If the article was to make clear which of its citations are general reference then it would be easy for me to pass. Your offline sources are fine on their own, but that only the case when they are being properly utilized. The simple addition of those general reference is all I need because you otherwise did a great job on the article! Sorry for not offering an explanation up initially. Cheers, –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:20, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
NPR
Hi MJL. I have added your account to the NPR user group , because I think you'll use it and enjoy the challenge of something more interesting than chasing vandals, and it would help with our massive backlog. It's time limited for 3 months and if you like doing it you can ask me for an extension. This user group allows you to review new pages through the Curation system and mark them as patrolled, tag them for maintenance issues, or nominate them for deletion. The list of articles awaiting review is located at the New Pages Feed. New page reviewing is vital to maintaining the integrity of the encylopedia. If you have not already done so, you must read the tutorial at New Pages Review, the linked guides and essays, and fully understand the deletion policy. If you need any help or want to discuss the process, you are welcome to use the new page reviewer talk page. In addition, please remember:
- Be nice to new editors. They are usually not aware that they are doing anything wrong. Do make use of the message feature when tagging pages for maintenance. so that they are aware.
- You will frequently be asked by users to explain why their page is being deleted. Please be formal and polite in your approach to them – even if they are not.
- If you are not sure what to do with a page, don't review it – just leave it for another reviewer.
- Accuracy is more important than speed. Take your time to patrol each page. Use the message feature to communicate with article creators and offer advice as much as possible.
The reviewer right does not change your status or how you can edit articles. If you no longer want this user right, you also may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. In cases of abuse or persistent inaccuracy of reviewing, or long-term inactivity, the right may be withdrawn at administrator discretion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Kudpung: Oh gosh this flowchart. Not particularly sure I am ready for this user right after only a few days of working on WP:AFC. I appreciate the time limit to it though to give me a chance to try it out. Thank you, –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
- Don't worry too much about the flowchart. My original one is the simpler one above it. The complicated one was designed by someone who likes designing flow charts for people who like flow charts. All you really need to do is read the rambling tutorial I wrote, watch the Curation videos, and then consign the most important deletion policies and notability criteria to memory. The rest is common sense. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, your recent edit has left a lot of referencing errors, can you please correct them? Atlantic306 (talk) 19:43, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Tables
Any chance you could make this raw data into a table [1]? It's a little tricky because the individual discussions are sub categories of the talk pages. If so, then thank you so much. If not (I have no idea how much work it is - wouldn't it be cool, or just plain 21st century, if Wikipedia had a built in spreadsheet rather than those clumsy tables) then thank you so much anyway.Volunteer Marek (talk) 03:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Volunteer Marek: Through the convoluted processes I invented; Done –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 03:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi MJL
I have added more citations from online news papers. Also you can check the movies that is already major article in Wiki. Like Second Show Koothara Theevandi. Referring above materials request to review submission.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastindio (talk • contribs) 10:56, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Eastindio: I have accepted the article. You substantially addressed the concerns and were able to display the subject possibly meets WP:FILMMAKER. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:22, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks MJL for your approval. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastindio (talk • contribs) 07:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Kitten
Thank you so much! I needed two things on here, reach one thousand edit which I reached today and a gift, thanks! and a third thing, be dare and add info to my user page. But my question is since I don't understand English very well, is it because of Kiwi chat? :):):):) --LLcentury (talk) 18:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @LLcentury: Woops I was mistaken! I met you on WP:IRC not WP:Discord like I said in the WP:Wikilove message. You had some questions about Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Teatro Colón and were incredibly patient getting help. Cheers, –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Ha!
Your removal because you think it's a little immature? And emoticons in general aren't? 😊 Atsme Talk 📧 22:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atsme: *ouch* (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ btw sorry about not using undo for that removal. If I had known it was the most recent addition, I would've. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 22:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- 😂 My TP & archives are heavily weighted with emoticons - it causes my laptop to tip to one side - so I'm just as guilty. I created that particular template for an admin, and added it to the list so others can use it instead of (talk page stalker). Atsme Talk 📧 22:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atsme: Understandable; though you have to admit that {{Done/See also}} can use some cleaning up, no? There are a lot of templates there that people don't use. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 22:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- I wish that was the extent of my worries on WP but if you feel enterprising...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (sidebar: I think the page could probably use a name change). I don't remember how I stumbled upon it. But would it not have been unprecedented if we had gotten into an edit war over an emoticon? Hillarious! Atsme Talk 📧 23:08, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atsme: that would certainly be one for Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars, but don't tempt me! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- I wish that was the extent of my worries on WP but if you feel enterprising...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (sidebar: I think the page could probably use a name change). I don't remember how I stumbled upon it. But would it not have been unprecedented if we had gotten into an edit war over an emoticon? Hillarious! Atsme Talk 📧 23:08, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Atsme: Understandable; though you have to admit that {{Done/See also}} can use some cleaning up, no? There are a lot of templates there that people don't use. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 22:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- 😂 My TP & archives are heavily weighted with emoticons - it causes my laptop to tip to one side - so I'm just as guilty. I created that particular template for an admin, and added it to the list so others can use it instead of (talk page stalker). Atsme Talk 📧 22:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
WV is back!
Hello, nice to write again, could you please restore references and categories for Gwen Plumb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 22:49, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Done I had been worried for a moment there that you had retire on me! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 22:56, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Oh No, just having wikibreak, lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 23:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Barnstar of Good Humor | |
MJL, I'm very new to Wikipedia and truly appreciate your tone! Thank you! Ageetaindia (talk) 11:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC) |
- @Ageetaindia: Why thank you! I'll be most honored to display this barnstar from you. I think it's the first time someone has complimented me on that! Kindest Regards, –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:OMLP2P
Hello MJL,
you have deleted my article OMLP2P due to following reason: - A tag has been placed on Draft:OMLP2P requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://www.expressbusinessdirectory.com/Companies/omlp2pcom-C843734.
for your reference following profile were created by me only (http://www.expressbusinessdirectory.com/Companies/omlp2pcom-C843734) and i have done some changes in that profile so that my OMLP2P article can be approved.
Requesting you to review it again, this will be very helpful for me as all the article content is created by myself and it is unique.
Thank You Sushant Redekar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushant.redekar (talk • contribs) 12:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Sushant.redekar: I am requesting help from an administrator on your behalf. I, myself, am not equipped to answer your question as I don't have the ability to access deleted articles. The administrator will likely post to your talk page or respond here with an answer shortly. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Question for administrator
What is the proper procedure to help my friend Sushant here? Would they have to send an email WP:OTRS? I can't see the page, so I don't know how much of the article in question is even copyvio. Cheers, –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- The instructions are already on his talk page, in the template. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- @NinjaRobotPirate: Well... that's worth a Self-trout. My apologies there. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
One more?
[2] (or you could just tell me what the quick way to do it is)
And thank you so much.Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:23, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Volunteer Marek: Done [Copy/paste into Notepad++, copy/paste into Google Sheets, copy/paste into visual editor, make modifications, switch to source editor, copy/paste into Notepad++, remove nowiki tags if any, copy/paste into source editor, finish cleanup if needed, and done.] Cheers, –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:23, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- It ain't a quick way, and the transfer to Sheets into VE is the most difficult part that takes a lot of trial and error. Best example would be just now, I had to add the last column manually. However, I don't mind doing the work. I'm really not feeling useful on here unless I'm helping others. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:27, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
July events from Women in Red!
July 2019, Volume 5, Issue 7, Numbers 107, 108, 126, 127, 128
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Disambiguation link notification for June 26
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- Interesting how this message comes as a result of this edit. Almost.. ironic? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
WV req.
Hello. another srticle to restore references and categories, Sue Jones, thank-you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.110.199 (talk) 09:50, 26 June 2019 (UTC) Correct disambiguation Sue Jones (actress) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.110.199 (talk) 09:57, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank-you, to restore article categories and references Ian McFadyen, Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.110.199 (talk) 12:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank-you anyway, have article to restore reference sand categories etc, Hazel Phillips — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.110.199 (talk) 04:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- Done Also restored references for Elisabeth Kirkby for you as well. Thank you as always! :D –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing my user-page!
TomSmithNP (talk) 14:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- @TomSmithNP: Of course, but you should really thank Kudpung for giving me the access to the tool! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
WP:CEN is now open!
To all interested parties: Now that it has a proper shortcut, the current events noticeboard has now officially opened for discussion!
WP:CEN came about as an idea I explored through a request for comment that closed last March. Recent research has re-opened the debate on Wikipedia's role in a changing faster-paced internet. Questions of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:Recentism are still floating around. That being said, there are still plenty of articles to write and hopefully this noticeboard can positively contribute to that critical process.
Thank you for your participation in the RFC, and I hope to see you at WP:CEN soon! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 19:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
The Brilliant Idea Barnstar | |
Great idea, and kudos for your thoughtful and considered RfC and deployment. Let's see how the CEN goes! Tom (LT) (talk) 22:05, 29 June 2019 (UTC) |
Probably better here
These are good faithed mistakes (and it's funny). But that's not what we're dealing with here. I am genuinely upset about the allegation and it's been extremely hard keeping staying civil throughout this case.Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Volunteer Marek: I was almost blocked for quite a few of that stuff. I feel you with staying cool, but there isn't anything you can do but work towards getting the decision that best reflects what you want out of that case. Right now, we have two good users posting walls of text arguing why the other one is in the wrong. You don't do yourself any favors by participating in that negativity. State your case against Icewhiz, show your diffs, answer questions that get asked of you, and stay calm. You haven't thought about how it looks to the arbs onto you when you react haphazardly. Why say in many words what could be accomplished in a few? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- You know? This is the kind of stuff that people like to tell themselves and tell others as "standard good advice". Just follow the rules, stay calm and it will all work out. The thing is... it almost never works. Usually when you do that, you get ignored. At best. At worst, people start actually believing the stuff that's said about you. Why else would he remain so calm? That's kind of the devious logic behind this kind of tactic - the target is screwed no matter how they react. It's kind of disinformation 101. And it works.Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Volunteer Marek: I've responded via email. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:51, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- You know? This is the kind of stuff that people like to tell themselves and tell others as "standard good advice". Just follow the rules, stay calm and it will all work out. The thing is... it almost never works. Usually when you do that, you get ignored. At best. At worst, people start actually believing the stuff that's said about you. Why else would he remain so calm? That's kind of the devious logic behind this kind of tactic - the target is screwed no matter how they react. It's kind of disinformation 101. And it works.Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 7
The Signpost: 30 June 2019
- Discussion report: A constitutional crisis hits English Wikipedia
- News and notes: Mysterious ban, admin resignations, Wikimedia Thailand rising
- In the media: The disinformation age
- On the bright side: What's making you happy this month?
- Special report: Did Fram harass other editors?
- Traffic report: Juneteenth, Beauty Revealed, and more nuclear disasters
- Technology report: Actors and Bots
- Recent research: What do editors do after being blocked?; the top mathematicians, universities and cancers according to Wikipedia
- From the archives: Women and Wikipedia: the world is watching
- In focus: WikiJournals: A sister project proposal
- Community view: A CEO biography, paid for with taxes
Request(s) from WV
Hello, how are you, thank you for fixing article, i have another [[[Henri Szeps]], needs to restore external links and categories, but this article however need's references, regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 05:25, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Henri Szeps is Done. As always, cheers! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 06:25, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
last article for today Judy Morris, kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 10:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
WikiCup 2019 July newsletter
The third round of the 2019 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round needed to score at least 68 points, which is substantially lower than last year's 227 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:
- Cas Liber, our winner in 2016, with 500 points derived mainly from a featured article and two GAs on natural history topics
- Adam Cuerden, with 480 points, a tally built on 16 featured pictures, the result of meticulous restoration work
- SounderBruce, a finalist in the last two years, with 306 points from a variety of submissions, mostly related to sport or the State of Washington
- Usernameunique, with 305 points derived from a featured article and two GAs on archaeology and related topics
Contestants managed 4 (5) featured articles, 4 featured lists, 18 featured pictures, 29 good articles, 50 DYK entries, 9 ITN entries, and 39 good article reviews. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them, and it is imperative to claim them in the correct round; one FA claim had to be rejected because it was incorrectly submitted (claimed in Round 3 when it qualified for Round 2), so be warned! When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.
If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
DYK for Swedish Levant Company
On 4 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Swedish Levant Company, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the creation of the Swedish Levant Company in 1738 was controversial because of a disagreement between several Swedish merchants and the Hat Party? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Swedish Levant Company. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Swedish Levant Company), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Gatoclass: Oh my gosh!! This is easily one of the coolest moments of my wikicareer!! :D –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 00:07, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Ben Gabriel (and others)
Hello, thank-you for your message, regarding the created article on BEN GABRIEL, yes, i would appreciate you put in a request, it was initallally not excepted because there was not enough citations or references, so you would have to add them before it would be published,then as usual we can add credits and filmography etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 08:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Done I'm off to bed now, but I'll help you with finding the references to that article if you want the help. Also, since I'll be asleep, don't go breaking too many references on me! lol –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 09:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, my friend, how are you, how did you go with the article for BEN GABRIEL, you are kind , is appeciate all your assistance, i was looking for another Australian actor named ALAN ROWE, but i couldn't find anything on him, i can find the article for the English actor of the same name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Let's just work on getting Draft:Ben Gabriel through WP:AFC unless there is a specific draft you are aware of. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:11, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank-you for your help on creating article for BEN GABRIEL, Australian actor, director and voice artist, i will get back to you about the one of ALAN ROWE, alternately ALLAN ROWE, Australian actor . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 01:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
have another article for you to fix Wendy Playfair, regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 04:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, have another article for you to fix Vic Gordon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.110.199 (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Wendy was all set, but Gordon is now Done. (edit conflict) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Rathasena Mata Temple
I am a local resident and you have made all incorrect edits on the page. Here is the location. &oq=Rathasena+Mata+Temple&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3.382j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=24648912,73719018,9699&tbm=lcl&rldimm=4930708951284837845&phdesc=8bqqaZy9aBM&ved=2ahUKEwi2gY6d9pvjAhVIWH0KHVOtCFsQvS4wAXoECAoQHA&rldoc=1&tbs=lrf:!2m1!1e2!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:1#rlfi=hd:;si:4930708951284837845,y,8bqqaZy9aBM;mv:!1m2!1d24.7418349!2d73.7524263!2m2!1d24.5559896!2d73.68561129999999!3m12!1m3!1d90052.3119031042!2d73.71901879999999!3d24.64891225!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i98!2i298!4f13.1;tbs:lrf:!2m1!1e2!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:1 Meeanaya (talk) 18:46, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Meeanaya: Dang, my bad. Can you please write out the name of the temple in your native language? Your link doesn't work for me. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:50, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- I have corrected the page.Meeanaya (talk) 18:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you so much MeeMee!! !–MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Please add correct co-ordinates from https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shri+Rathasena+Mataji+Mandir/@24.7318789,73.7488469,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x446d65aacc2bedd5?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijnq-M-JvjAhUBSX0KHRkqAwkQ_BIwD3oECAoQCA Meeanaya (talk) 18:55, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you so much MeeMee!! !–MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- I have corrected the page.Meeanaya (talk) 18:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Council proposals
I suggest dropping the stick and walking away from this, as you are edit warring to cover up your prejudice against an active proposal. -- Netoholic @ 15:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'm glad you finally have chosen to discuss this with me. Let's look at the timeline:
- 00:07, 5 July 2019 - RL0919 closes the MFD as keep and a note that MFD shouldn't be needed to close another discussion. - [3]
- 01:44, 5 July 2019 - I close Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Men as not created
to avoid future drama
. - [4] - 06:53, 7 July 2019 - You revert me citing (what essentially is) WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - [5]
- 14:12, 7 July 2019 - I restore my close saying I was aware of the other proposals (because I've read them before) and that you should post on my talk page if you want me to self-revert as you are WP:INVOLVED.
- 14:44, 7 July 2019 - I then start clerking the backlogged project because multiple people have said it was a mess. I assumed you would AGF and included a removal of the (then closed) Proposed WikiProject Men - [6]
- 15:03, 7 July 2019 - You reverted most of my housekeeping without an explanation. A minute later, I reverted you saying it was unexplained. [7]
- 15:05, 7 July 2019 - You accuse me of making changes per WP:POINT with an additional revert - [8]
- 15:10, 7 July 2019 - This causes me to have a massive edit conflict that was completely avoidable by posting to my talk page. [9][10]
- 15:14, 7 July 2019 - You begin casting aspersions against me and make clear that the only reason for your reverts was the single removal of your proposal. Nevermind you restored all the dead links, archived proposals, nonsense, and the like. Let's not forget the fact, I offered to self-revert were you to posted on my talk page, so we could discuss. Nope. Instead, you claimed that I was acting out of process because apparently
there is no WikiProject Council process which uses such a "closure".
Not to mention you claimed I was trying to hide your proposal among all the maintenance which is woefully untrue. - [11][12] - 15:17, 7 July 2019 - You post to my talk page with your opinion that I drop the stick and to cast additional aspirations against me.
- @Netoholic: Tell me where I went wrong besides disagreeing with you. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Don't forget that you also "closed" it as a non-admin and in which you are WP:INVOLVED. You should selfrevert on that basis alone. Also, since you've never "clerked" that page before, it's clear you doing so to obfuscate your delisting of that active Men proposal. --Netoholic @ 17:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Netoholic: Wow. There's a lot of WP:ABF there. Also, I did not participate in that discussion, so I was not involved. The closing admin said that the MFD was unrelated to the proposal, so it wasn't taken into account. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 18:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- You voted close in the MFD, you can't then be the one to implement such a close. Tell me where on Wikipedia it is acceptable to do that? --Netoholic @ 00:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Netoholic: That particular MFD had no bearing on the results of my close. MFD:WP:WPPRO/MEN was explicitly closed leaving that option open for any editor to decide. I would say any user besides UnitedStatesian and yourself who commented there should not be considered involved based of the plain reading (and intent) of the guideline. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 01:56, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- You voted close in the MFD, you can't then be the one to implement such a close. Tell me where on Wikipedia it is acceptable to do that? --Netoholic @ 00:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- So let's recap, prior to me WP:CLOSECHALLENGE this to the AN:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Council has no stated procedure, requirement, or precedent for any proposal to be "closed" (most are instead archived after either a WikiProject has been started or after a very long time of being listed.
- You voted "close" in the MFD, making you automatically WP:INVOLVED in such a closure.
- You're a non-admin.
- You've never "clerked" the Council Proposals page before, and seem to have done so only in furtherance of your desire to delist the Men proposal, despite it being one of the newest proposals listed.
- You've edit-warred in furtherance of the above "closure" and delisting.
- So let's recap, prior to me WP:CLOSECHALLENGE this to the AN:
- Despite insisting that I bring this to your talk page, you continue to not see the errors you've committed in the above, and continue to refuse to self-revert. Your actions seem to be based more upon using procedural tactics in opposition to this proposed article improvement WikiProject, rather than a genuine desire to improve Wikipedia. I continue to be amazed at the extreme lengths people will go through rather than let just let the proposal sit listed. If you think this proposal is bad, then surely no one will sign up and it will naturally be archived in a couple years by an uninvolved editor. -- Netoholic @ 03:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Netoholic: (1) They do have a stated procedure, but it hasn't been followed in years. (2) I keep saying that the closing admin found that the MFD could not be used to close the proposal. My !vote there was effectively null. (3) So? This wasn't a WP:BADNAC. (4) I've always wanted to clerk it, but I have never had business that brought me back to that page. When I was a young Wikipedian, I had dreams of starting my own WikiProject using that page. The fact it was a mess that no one used was rather off-putting to me. (5) You're joking, right? I didn't even come close to violating WP:3RR. I reverted you twice for both pages, and then another user (whom I have absolutely zero way of contacting except on-wiki btw) restored my close for me. The crazy part is that I would have been much more cooperative with you had you listened to me initially instead of just ignoring my suggestions to take this to my talk page earlier. (6) I have refused to self-revert at this point because another user has restored my close. You also have (A) refused to acknowledge your own wrong-doing in this mess and (B) accused me of acting in bad faith. You've essentially put me in a position where if I self-revert, I must accept both those facts as true. (7) Users never even bothered to close Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/WikiProject Men's rights when it was created. Should I have let this proposal or this one stay up until the end of time? There is no bot that does this stuff, so it just won't happen "naturally" by any means. This community has discussed your perennial proposal enough at this point, and you won. Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men exists now (likely because I didn't vote against it). (8) However, I am not infallible. I very clearly may be in the wrong here. If you want to challenge my close, then by all means I welcome the input. I just can't guarantee they will be as receptive as I have been thus far of your arguments. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:55, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- (responding to ping) IMHO, if the close was truly problematic, someone other than the proposer would have raised the issue or reverted it. – Levivich 16:25, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Ok so then if you aren't basing this "close" on the MFD, you are basing it on nothing. You cannot close something without a consensus-establishing discussion. You are though still INVOLVED as you expressed a desire to close it in the MFD. Levivich also restored your "close" but he is also INVOLVED. Just because you are opposed to the idea of this WikiProject doesn't mean you can "close" discussion about it. Imagine if editors wanted to make a WikiProject for a specific sports team, but editors who are fans of a rival came in, outnumbered them, and "closed" the idea of the WikiProject? Imagine the same if rival country WikiProjects could be shut down in this way. Or rival political ideologies. Ridiculous idea... and that's why WikiProject proposals are not "closed". Please show me ANY evidence of there being such a "stated procedure" to do so. -- Netoholic @ 21:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Netoholic: You're logic is so flawed here. The criteria for WikiProjects is dead simple: Per WP:COUNCIL/P,
If you do not have a group of people, then you do not have a WikiProject, even if you have created a WikiProject page. A WikiProject is the people, not the page.
I count a total of one person who was supportive of your idea in that discussion (you). I've also followed WP:NACINV rather well. I've only been involved in discussions at MFD which are incidental to this discussion which I've closed. If I said, "Hey I'm going to close X discussion." then I wouldn't have a COI in regards to closing that discussion. To your last point: Template:Archived WikiProject Proposal top/doc. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 00:50, 9 July 2019 (UTC)- Do you really not realize the difference between CLOSURE (ie, an end to a discussion) and ARCHIVING (delisting when a discussion has served its purpose)? WikiProject Council Proposals are designed -precisely- to gather interest in a WikiProject - and the Men proposal has only been listed 2 months vs some proposals that have been present for several years. The only proposals on that page which should be ARCHIVED are those that have 1) been created, or 2) Proposer has withdrawn or gone inactive. Neither is the case here. You clearly are applying incorrect procedure to the Men proposal, and doing so as a thinly-veiled tactic because you personally oppose the proposal itself. -- Netoholic @ 02:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Netoholic: You're logic is so flawed here. The criteria for WikiProjects is dead simple: Per WP:COUNCIL/P,
- @Netoholic: (1) They do have a stated procedure, but it hasn't been followed in years. (2) I keep saying that the closing admin found that the MFD could not be used to close the proposal. My !vote there was effectively null. (3) So? This wasn't a WP:BADNAC. (4) I've always wanted to clerk it, but I have never had business that brought me back to that page. When I was a young Wikipedian, I had dreams of starting my own WikiProject using that page. The fact it was a mess that no one used was rather off-putting to me. (5) You're joking, right? I didn't even come close to violating WP:3RR. I reverted you twice for both pages, and then another user (whom I have absolutely zero way of contacting except on-wiki btw) restored my close for me. The crazy part is that I would have been much more cooperative with you had you listened to me initially instead of just ignoring my suggestions to take this to my talk page earlier. (6) I have refused to self-revert at this point because another user has restored my close. You also have (A) refused to acknowledge your own wrong-doing in this mess and (B) accused me of acting in bad faith. You've essentially put me in a position where if I self-revert, I must accept both those facts as true. (7) Users never even bothered to close Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/WikiProject Men's rights when it was created. Should I have let this proposal or this one stay up until the end of time? There is no bot that does this stuff, so it just won't happen "naturally" by any means. This community has discussed your perennial proposal enough at this point, and you won. Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men exists now (likely because I didn't vote against it). (8) However, I am not infallible. I very clearly may be in the wrong here. If you want to challenge my close, then by all means I welcome the input. I just can't guarantee they will be as receptive as I have been thus far of your arguments. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 15:55, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
WV restoration(s)
Hello, have another article need restoring, the very funny John Hamblin, have also added a special radio interview, recorded in 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.43.110.199 (talk) 16:14, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Done WV, you have the most amazing timing. Whenever I'm feeling down, one of your requests cheers me up! :D –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, need help to restore article, references, external links and categories etc, had some conflict with this one, Queenie Ashton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 03:03, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, yes i will, next article Edward Howell (actor), thank-you kindly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.42.2.16 (talk) 12:47, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- MJL, what does "WV" stand for, please? Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Drmies: WV standards for Wayward Vagabond, a character in Homestuck. Also known as the Mayor, they are a character with almost a 1-for-1 typing style as this Australian IP user, so I nicknamed them WV. They're also one of my favorite characters, so that helps lol. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 14:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)