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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Secondary_sex_characteristic&diff=533943526&oldid=533943460] I suppose they are okay for inclusion. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 03:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Secondary_sex_characteristic&diff=533943526&oldid=533943460] I suppose they are okay for inclusion. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 03:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:My guess is that it is written by Floating boat, but s/he is simply away from his/her own computer. But why not just ask Floating boat? And yes, I think the pictures are fine. [[User:Lova_Falk|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Segoe Print;color:#e75e03">'''Lova Falk'''</span></font>]] [[User talk:Lova Falk|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Segoe Print;color:#336699">talk</span></font>]] 08:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
:My guess is that it is written by Floating boat, but s/he is simply away from his/her own computer. But why not just ask Floating boat? And yes, I think the pictures are fine. [[User:Lova_Falk|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Segoe Print;color:#e75e03">'''Lova Falk'''</span></font>]] [[User talk:Lova Falk|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Segoe Print;color:#336699">talk</span></font>]] 08:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
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::I don't see how being away from his computer could affect him signing in, unless you mean that he didn't want his log information left behind. But we don't have to save our password and we can clear the |
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::I did think to ask him, and will do so now. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 18:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Hi Lova. Let me point out that turning the section titles into non-questions turns the introductory paragraph of the Philosophy section into nonsense. If you feel a need to do that, could you please fix the introductory paragraph as well? Regards, Looie496 (talk) 16:20, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Looie! Thank you for telling me. Maybe not such a good idea to start at an arbitrary point and work my way up... I have always thought that it was very textbook-like and not very encyclopedic to have these questions as section headers. I think most people (like me) just read the part they are interested in and don't read the whole article. Anyway I'll finish changing the section titles, change the introductory paragraph, and I won't revert if you or somebody else reverts my edits. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 16:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Add video's
Hi there, I am working with my psych class to clean up some articles and I wanted to know if it's possible to add videos to an article? thanks! Amusico2 (talk) 00:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
- I have never tried it myself, but as far as I know, yes, you can upload ogg video's with a maximum file size of 100 MB. You start here. If it somehow doesn't work, you can ask the helpdesk for help. Good luck! Lova Falk talk 16:05, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Developments in Attachment
Hi Lova. In my response to your second comment I have written at length, in part to bring attention to a developing situation of concern.
With growing numbers of newborn babies being put in child care, often from 2 weeks to 2 months of age, we're seeing a rise of weak attachment--I call it loosened attachment--of children who seem to be okay on the outside but don't develop the ability to sustain healthy long-term relationships as adults. And it's giving rise to increasing levels of sociopathic behavior.
Probably many professionals in the field of attachment theory are somewhat aware of this development but need to be prepared for a worsening situation. Your and their expertise will be called on and I can only bring attention to this problem.
(I witnessed this phenomenon in my own family system--although on my mother's side they were wealthy and well educated, babies were left with nurses and nannies and the mothers were profoundly detached from their children. There was extreme cruelty and each generation in turn hated their mother. My sister and I avoided the trap by peer bonding to each other. Margaret9mary (talk)
Enlightenment
Hi Lova. Could you take a look at this comment of mine? The same article has been used at Enlightenment (spiritual); I think it's bogus. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan (talk) 06:16, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
- Done Lova Falk talk 09:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
- How come we suddenly have user:Lotus sutra81, User:Enterodoc9 and User:Raul7213 active at Talk:Enlightenment (spiritual), none of them creating a user-page? Joshua Jonathan (talk) 11:51, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- You read my thoughts! Yesterday, I had a this question for the help desk... But maybe we should say something about it... Lova Falk talk 11:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- At the Talk page, or at the Administrator's Noteboard? Joshua Jonathan (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- You read my thoughts! Yesterday, I had a this question for the help desk... But maybe we should say something about it... Lova Falk talk 11:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- How come we suddenly have user:Lotus sutra81, User:Enterodoc9 and User:Raul7213 active at Talk:Enlightenment (spiritual), none of them creating a user-page? Joshua Jonathan (talk) 11:51, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I've had one incident before, at Kensho. Maybe we can ask User:SudoGhost. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 13:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please do! Lova Falk talk 13:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll find out what to do. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- I've informed User talk:SudoGhost#Enlightenment (spiritual). Joshua Jonathan (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- And he has answered, at his Talk Page, and posted a warning at User talk:Gang49#October 2012. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
- So I did start a SPI: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Raul7213 Blllh, this is getting on my nerves... Joshua Jonathan (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
- And he has answered, at his Talk Page, and posted a warning at User talk:Gang49#October 2012. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
- I've informed User talk:SudoGhost#Enlightenment (spiritual). Joshua Jonathan (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll find out what to do. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
They've all been blocked. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I've opened an SPI on Octavious88 Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Octavious88. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 08:08, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Some people just can't give up... Lova Falk talk 08:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- I've started calling him "Johnny99" Joshua Jonathan (talk) 08:18, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- This Johnny99? I had never heard of him... Lova Falk talk 08:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- The name comes from Springsteen indeed, but I've never listened to the text, except for "They call hin Johnny99". But the description given in the Wikipedia-article is awful; I'll use another name. Don't want to wake any nightmare-creatures... (yes, that's magical thinking). Maybe "Mr00". Joshua Jonathan (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- The "Minimus Zero running shoe"! Run from Wikipedia, run! Lova Falk talk 09:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- The name comes from Springsteen indeed, but I've never listened to the text, except for "They call hin Johnny99". But the description given in the Wikipedia-article is awful; I'll use another name. Don't want to wake any nightmare-creatures... (yes, that's magical thinking). Maybe "Mr00". Joshua Jonathan (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- This Johnny99? I had never heard of him... Lova Falk talk 08:22, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- I've started calling him "Johnny99" Joshua Jonathan (talk) 08:18, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Good evening Lova Falk,
Thank you for reverting the unexplained removal of content from the article, which you phrased beautifully, "... unmotivated removal of content" in your edit summary – you beat me to it, hence my rather confusing edit summary.
Sincerely, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 18:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
- Good evening to you too, and I knew you didn't mean the edit. Lova Falk talk 19:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
- Ha, ha! I hate it when an {{ec}} happens. All the best! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 19:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I objected to implications of incest
As of now, in the 2nd section of Attachment theory the article says "The theory proposes that children attach to carers instinctively,[10] for the purpose of survival and, ultimately, genetic replication."[note #11] As it stands this would imply that incest is a natural outcome of infant attachment.
Perhaps it meant to say is that the experience of attachment in infancy lays the neurological, social and emotional foundations on which, years later, the peer relationship of adult attachment with a spouse or long-term partner will be sustained; and this may well involve genetic replication. But the sentence as it stands can easily be misunderstood. I removed "and, ultimately, genetic replication." It was reinstated twice.Why? Do presentday Attachment theorists think incest is okay?--Margaret9mary (talk) 21:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)--Margaret9mary (talk) 22:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
WP:VPM
Thanks for adding the graph to WP:VPM. Could I interest you in changing <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> to {{-}} or <br clear=all> or {{clear}}? Apteva (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, very much so!! I thought the row of <br /> 's was a terrible way of preventing the next section to invade into the graph. Thank you!! Lova Falk talk 16:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Visual thinking/beelddenken
Ook gij? "Beelden in je hoofd", Lot blom. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Nee, nog nooit van gehoord. Maar ik ontdekte laatst dat we allebei psycholoog zijn. Dat wel! Lova Falk talk 15:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Eh, spraakverwarring? Het boek is van Lot Blom. Maar "beelddenken" is voor jou ook herkenbaar? Joshua Jonathan (talk) 21:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- Ja, spraakverwarring, en nee, als mijn man en ik samen een adres zoeken, kijkt hij op de kaart en ik lees de namen van de straten en gebouwen. Zelf zou ik zeggen dat ik niet alleen in woorden maar ook sterk in gevoelens denk, maar daar is geen artikel over. (Het heeft in ieder geval niets te maken nmet kinesthetisch leren.) Lova Falk talk 06:24, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
- Eh, spraakverwarring? Het boek is van Lot Blom. Maar "beelddenken" is voor jou ook herkenbaar? Joshua Jonathan (talk) 21:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi Lova. For textbook-level stuff I generally take the attitude that it's more important to get it right than to source everything. That article was so awful that I just couldn't stand it any longer. I'm going to keep revising content for a while, and I'll try to supply sources eventually, but may not get everything covered. This is, after all, stuff that is in every basic neuroscience textbook, so it's not like there is any difficulty in verifying it. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 18:07, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with you - in other cases sometimes I remove the unsourced text and I wouldn't dream of doing that in your case. But don't you have a textbook somewhere that you can use as a source? Lova Falk talk 18:10, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
request
Hello, I'm Lova Falk. I wanted to let you know that I removed an external link you added to the page Friendship, because it seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you.
- -> Do you think really "How to know a flatterer from a friend" of Plutarch does not appropriate for Friendship? That is Plutarchs' philosophical approach to the friendship like Aristotles' Nicomachean Ethics in the Further reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apollinaire.kim (talk • contribs) 21:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Apollinaire.kim! Thank you for asking me. I just checked with the WP site on external links, and I copy here what it says about what can normally be linked:
- Wikipedia articles about any organization, person, website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site, if any. See Official links below.
- An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a legally distributed copy of the work, so long as none of the Restrictions on linking and Links normally to be avoided criteria apply.
- Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues,[1] amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons.
- Now, your books are not number one, two or three. As you say, it is a philosophical approach to friendship, and as such, it is not neutral and accurate. Yet I can see the value of including the philosophical view on friendship. The best thing to do would be to write a section "Philosophy" in the article Friendship, and then the philosophy books can be used as references. For now, I'll put your books back in. I'll also copy this discussion to the talk page of Friendship. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 17:05, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Apollinaire.kim! Thank you for asking me. I just checked with the WP site on external links, and I copy here what it says about what can normally be linked:
Thanks <3
Thank you so much for your help the last couple of days! You made it a lot easier to navigate Wikipedia and make a substantial contribution to the Foster care in Canada page I can be proud of! Wikipedians like you make this a very enjoyable experience :) Sanasrandomness (talk) 06:10, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- You're very welcome, and I should thank you for all your work on this page! Lova Falk talk 16:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Behaviorism (Versions)
Hello again. There is a problem on the Behaviorism page in the Versions section (Psychological behaviorism). I tried to find the intent and fix it myself, but am stumped. The editor of this revision has been previously tagged with vandalism on that page, but this seems to be a legit edit that was improperly formatted (?). Since you seem to be active on that page, perhaps you know what to do. ~Thanks, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 17:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Eric! I edited best I could, now it is up to you to copyedit the text. Lova Falk talk 17:27, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- PS Very kind of you to try to find the editor's intent, instead of simply reverting the edit. Lova Falk talk 17:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- Now I'm beginning to wonder if Arthur W. Staats should be included on the list. Besides the seemingly notable mention from that edit, he has a page on Spanish Wikipedia. Or ... maybe I should quit messing with stuff where I don't belong. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks for your comments on the dementia article's talk page
Many thanks for the comments you left in response to my comments on the talk page of the article on dementia. Your comments are well taken, and I must say, I do wonder whether quite a lot of what ends up being put in Wikipedia could perhaps have gone more appropriately in wikinews! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- And I thank you for accepting my comments so graciously! Lova Falk talk 17:26, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
RE: Thank you
And thank you for your kind words as well as your thoughtful contributions to the ADHD article. Had I known the editor was 14 from the beginning, my first response would have been much gentler. I suppose if I've learned anything, it's that I should not only assume good faith, but also consider the possibility that the editor may be underage! Have a great day! Cresix (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Disso
You said this edit is irrelevant there. Would it be more appropriate for the followinf articles: Consciousness, Personality psychology, Personal identity ? Pass a Method talk 20:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi! DID is a disorder, and consciousness actually has a section with disorders. However, these disorders are not mental disorders, but disorders like coma, so it doesn't fit in there. Personality psychology does not have any section about disorders at all, and neither does personal identity. So I would say, none of them. Lova Falk talk 06:54, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for your expert reviews of my edits. :) As you can see I am not a psychologist, more of a wannabe one, lol. Do you specialise in ADHD out of interest?--MrADHD | T@1k? 00:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you! No, actually I am a psychologist, and assessment of children/teenagers with ADHD is part of my job... Lova Falk talk 07:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- You are welcome. :) Yea, I knew you were a psychologist, I read on your user page that you were a psychologist. I am hoping to get the ADHD page up to good article status. If you would like to help, that would be cool. I am not sure if you have any experience in building wikipedia good articles? If I have any questions some time in the future about ADHD would you care to answer them? If you are busy, I understand, no pressure.--MrADHD | T@1k? 00:19, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for editing small things on my auditory imagery article Lova I really appreciate it! I'm going to be working on this article from now until around the beginning of December so appreciate you helping me out with the syntax I don't know yet. Thanks! User:Imran Naim
Neo-Advaita
Do you also get an itchy feeling by these recent edits on Neo-Advaita? Joshua Jonathan (talk) 21:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
- The feeling I get is that this is one user (with two names) who has seen the light during the teachings of Kosi and now wants to spread this through Wikipedia. And of course, Wikipedia is not a means of promotion - yet on a personal level I can also feel sympathy for this undertaking. Lova Falk talk 09:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- One of the best lessons of psychology: share your feelings, and get someone else's view too, to broaden your own perspective. Thanks! Joshua Jonathan (talk) 10:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- But... Have a look at this one too: Special:Contributions/Iamthelotus That's three. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 15:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- Also the refusal to talk despite several invitations, makes it more difficult to keep on assuming good faith. Lova Falk talk 16:56, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'm already considering sockpuppet-investigation, but I'll hold on a little bit longer, meanwhile collecting diff's etc. Feels like suddenly attracting this... Nevertheless, it's true what I said about sharing feelings and thoughts: it's good to have another one's view/opinion to broaden your own interpretation. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 18:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- Also the refusal to talk despite several invitations, makes it more difficult to keep on assuming good faith. Lova Falk talk 16:56, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- But... Have a look at this one too: Special:Contributions/Iamthelotus That's three. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 15:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- One of the best lessons of psychology: share your feelings, and get someone else's view too, to broaden your own perspective. Thanks! Joshua Jonathan (talk) 10:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Up to you to roll back again... Joshua Jonathan (talk) 11:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- I've started an SPI on this one too Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iamthelotus Joshua Jonathan (talk) 12:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- And a 3RR Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Truthisnow reported by User:Joshua Jonathan (Result: ). What a waste of time... Joshua Jonathan (talk) 13:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Bullying
Hi! I changed the sentence and then I've added Mobbing again to this article because Mobbing is almost the same meaning as Bullying. And I really don't know why many of my edits have been reverted although it was no vandalism. Dol Grenn (talk) 12:25, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Dol Grenn! I never accused you of vandalism. I gave you the reason for changing your edit in the edit summary. Also, I did not revert your mentioning of bullying, I just put it in another sentence. This is the way Wikipedia works: you make an edit, I change it, you change it back, now I have changed it a bit again, etc etc.
- You say that many of your edits are reverted. I would really recommend you to check out the Teahouse where people can help you. Lova Falk talk 12:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Perennial philosophy
Hello. In response to your edits, it is an academic convention (in both Chicago and Harvard manuals of style) to put foreign language translations into italics. I am a scholar of Indian religions and my work has been translated into three asian languages. Regards. 81.106.127.14 (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Neither is it usual to put these foreign language translations into boldface as you have done. If you read the passage you referred me to you will find this stated. 81.106.127.14 (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Ignore all credentials Greetings, Joshua Jonathan (talk) 19:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
(Copied to Talk:Perennial philosophy#Bold and/or italic)
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Hi Lova
Thanks for the note. I understand you concerns; I have heard that Wikipedia prefers to rely on secondary sources. Please understand that we are participating as part of the Association for Psychological Science (APS) Wikipedia Initiative. APS has argued that Wikipedia's focus on secondary sources is sub-optimal, and has been advocating for the increased presence of primary sources on Wikipedia, and has asked instructors such as myself to push for inclusion of more primary scientific material. The nature of the student's present assignment is in this spirit. Unfortunately, not every student is as skilled as we would like in adding this material; variance in success is to be expected in every student endeavor. I apologize for frustration regarding the need to edit material that is presented in a less than ideal fashion from Wikipedia's perspective. Yet, on behalf of APS and the scientific community, I urge you to consider leaving in more primary material than instinct might otherwise recommend, in order to slowly chip away at Wikipedia's preference for secondary sources in order to improve the quality of the primary information that is available to a wide audience, as recommended by APS. PauljosephconwayTest (talk) 04:06, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Copied to User talk:Pauljosephconway/Psychology 2410A at King's to continue the discussion there. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 09:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you!
Hey Lova - thanks so much for your encouraging comment about my work on the 'Creativity In Diverse Cultures' section of the 'Creativity' page. I only just saw it now; it helps me feel a little more confident in this strange and exciting new world of Wikipedia! Hope your work becomes less strenuous soon. Take care, Doctor Girl (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- I remember feeling a bit nervous when I started editing Wikipedia, doing one tiny edit and checking each day if it still was there (after more than five years, it is still there!) When it comes to work, I now hope that February will be a bit more relaxed... Lova Falk talk 19:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Virginia Satir
Thank you for catching the error in the edit of the Virginia Satir article. Much appreciated!MerlinsMagic (talk) 19:05, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for the answer on forgetfullness. Pass a Method talk 16:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
12000 edits
Get a life... - but you got one! Cheers, Joshua Jonathan (talk) 19:39, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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You receive a lot of appreciation, many "Thank you!"s I admire your diligence in responding to other Wikipedians. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 19:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC) |
Thank you! Very much appreciated! Lova Falk talk 19:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Adolescence article again
Hey, Lova Falk. I know that you've stayed out of these matters: [1][2][3]. But can you at least let me know your thoughts on them, here on your talk page or at mine? Flyer22 (talk) 23:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Flyer22! Thank you for asking. I will look into it, but not tonight (it's friday night in Sweden). I have had a long day at work and I'll just do some easy watchlist checks before I'll log off... Lova Falk talk 19:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello Lova Falk - thanks for policing Affectional Bond. My history of psych class is doing the APS wikipedia initiative. Not all of them have the editing thing down. I'm encouraging them to talk to you. Best, James Council, NDSU prof of psych — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Council (talk • contribs) 21:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
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Evolutionary Medicine
Subj: Infusing Evolutionary Thinking into Medical Education
Body: Dear Wikipedia,
The NSF-funded National Evolutionary Synthesis Center (NESCent) has formed a working group of physicians and scientists to infuse curricula at medical schools with evolutionary principles. We are creating resources for medical students. We had considered creating online modules with the hope that students would find them and use them. Since many medical students first consult “Dr. Wiki,” we believe contributing to this open-access resource would best leverage our efforts. We have several group members who will be working directly on this project- Stephen C Stearns, C Athena Aktipis, and myself. We are contacting you to inform you of our plans and receive any feedback:
1) Adding an “evolutionary considerations” subsection to medical entries, like “fever” and “risk factors for breast cancers” with… a) citations to open-access articles b) links to evo-med entries in Wikipedia c) links at the bottom of articles to “Understanding Evolution,” a highly reputable online resource visited 1.2 million times per month. UC Berkley maintains it. A representative is working closely with our group. 2) Editing extant evo-med related articles to be more complete. We plan to begin with the “evolutionary medicine” article and fan-out from there. 3) Adding articles for key concepts or areas of research in evolutionary medicine that do not yet exist on Wikipedia. 4) Amplifying our efforts with a training for enthusiastic pre-medical and medical students- the Evolutionary Medicine Wikipedia Network. We will host a workshop at NESCent in 2013. I have found the helpful guides to editing. If it would be helpful for a Wikipedia representative to attend and assist, we are open to the idea.
Thank you, Brandon Hidaka BrandonHidaka (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you Brandon for informing me and aksing for feedback. Here it comes! Wikipedia is an encyclopedia "that anyone can edit" and also most of the readers should be able to read. When adding content to articles in Wikipedia, you cannot only have your students in mind as your potential readers but also an interested "general public" who might not always have had an advanced education. It is quite an art to express difficult concepts in an easy way! For instance, the section that you wrote on The evolution of aging, you need to start with explaining what you even mean with "the evolution of ageing". With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 20:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the helpful feedback. I will be much more keen to explain complex topics (there is a reason why evolutionary theory was "happened upon" in the not-too-distant 19th century!) more thoroughly for the general public. Besides, most medical students do not have a good understanding of evolution. Looking over the "ageing" article, it appears that much is geared toward the promise of life extension, a business that can be quite lucrative... Also, I hope that it is permissible to continue to use pithy, powerful words that may be beyond the scope of most vocabularies in hopes of expanding them. Cheers! BrandonHidaka (talk) 22:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello Lova Falk, I'm Andrewaskew. I'm responding to the linked comment on my talk page.
I'm sorry, I have read and re-read my edit (I had to remind myself) and I cannot see what POV you are saying that I am trying to push.
This was just a quick little edit I performed because I was going through the pages that link to Media manipulation and correcting the redirects. When I came upon Distraction the By media section just consisted of two links (and with your revert, now does again). I feel that sections consisting of just links are extremely ugly, and have no place in Wikipedia (not an offical policy, just an opinion). So I took it upon myself to introduce some content into the section. This I did by pulling material from the two linked pages (Media manipulation & Media multitasking), then rewriting it to make a short and coherent section.
I have no particular attachment to the above edit, but feel that this section needs some text. So, if you can advise in what way you feel the section violated WP:NPOV and what, in your opinion, could be done to improve it, I am happy to write a compromise.
Thank you.
--Andrewaskew (talk) 22:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
(Reply) Lova Falk talk 08:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
- No problem at all; I prefer editors to be overvigilant than to leave low-traffic pages like this neglected. I'm glad we could sort it out. Also, you're right, the first paragraph does need a citation (I'll see what I can do to properly source this paragraph myself).
- Secondly, my apologies for the late answer to your late answer. I too have been busy over the holidays and have taken a short wikibreak.
- Best wishes to you. --Andrewaskew (talk) 23:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Anxiety
Hi Lova Falk - my idea was to move the prevention-related sections on caffeine into the prevention section - you have now deleted them altogether? Best wishes (JCJC777 (talk) 23:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC))
- Hi JCJC777, no, in your last version: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anxiety&oldid=529595760 there was this line in the section prevention:
- "For some people, anxiety can be very much reduced by coming off caffeine.[40] Anxiety can temporarily increase during caffeine withdrawal.[41][42][43]"
- and this line in the section treatment:
- "For some people, anxiety can be very much reduced by coming off caffeine.[40] Anxiety can temporarily increase during caffeine withdrawal.[41][42][43]"
- So I removed it from prevention, and it is still in treatment. I thought it was better in treatment than in prevention, first because the line says anxiety can be reduced by coming off caffeine - which is treatment, not prevention, but also, I have never heard of people not starting to drink coffee because they want to prevent anxiety, however, I have heard of people stopping drinking coffee. Now, I have no sources for this, but actually I doubt if you can find a source that describes not starting to drink coffee in order to prevent anxiety... Best wishes! Lova Falk talk 07:09, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Christmas diner
Don't you have a Christmas diner to enjoy? Best wishes, Joshua Jonathan (talk) 20:46, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
- I ate a lovely Christmas diner yesterday! In Sweden the big day is Christmas eve, whereas on Christmas day we're all tired and listless after having eaten and drunk too much the day before. Best wishes to you too! Lova Falk talk 20:52, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks
Thanks for supporting User:Jacobisq. Nice that a T shirt may be, it would be nicer if Wiki could award grants to a few select editors for a specific contract of work. I personally would give User:Jacobisq such a grant. BTW he tends to take winter Wiki breaks i think motivated by Seasonal_affective_disorder. He is likely to be back in a few months.--Penbat (talk) 09:27, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be great! Would be really nice to take a few months leave from work and edit edit edit away! Lova Falk talk 09:54, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Wauw
Wauw.Great! Thanks for this nomination Joshua Jonathan (talk) 20:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
there's a bit of silly stuff going on here if you have the time Talk:Individualism --Penbat (talk) 11:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC) Have u seen [4]. anyway i have now put an alert on the admin message board about this --Penbat (talk) 12:19, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
- No I hadn't seen it! I was a bit surprised to find a remark dated september. How silly of me not to check the history. Lova Falk talk 12:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
- thx for your help, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Talk:Individualism--Penbat (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Happy New Year
I hope that you have a Happy New Year Lova! All the best in 2013.--MrADHD | T@1k? 02:29, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry!
Hello. My name is Miquaz (My wikipedia name is Miquaz 1.) I'm sorry about messing up your fonts, but I never knew that you could change Wikipedia fonts and when I saw your talk page, I was amazed! I went to edit it, and saw the name of the font section, and wondered if I could change it to another font name. I forgot to change it back to what it was. I'm really sorry! --Miquaz1 (talk) 17:32, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
P.S Happy New Year!!
- Hi Miquaz, and thank you for explaining. You know, you should be a bit careful with other people's talk pages and also their user pages. It was real nice of you to welcome Beatrix Altava - and fully appropriate - but it is fully up to Beatrix Altava to decide if the user page should be empty or not. The only times we are supposed to edit the user page is when it obviously has been vandalized, or when the user has told you to do so. Happy new year to you too! Lova Falk talk 19:56, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Great Job!
Thanks for re-organizing the empathy article in a structured way that could be much easier to understand for a person confused about the cognitive and emotional components of empathy. Particularly for some of those on the Autism Spectrum with the condition of Alexithymia, where trying to find a construct of words to describe their experience of their emotional world can be very difficult without someone to guide them there in words in a structured way that makes sense. Or for those that have recently acquired or are in the process of acquiring the described conditions of Alexithymia and/or compassion fatigue as a result of other factors in life, with the vague sense that something is missing that they had before.
There have many people that have expressed concern that when the phrase "a lack of empathy" is tossed around associated with different DSM-IV-TR labels for disorders that it means that a person with those disorders are essentially not human.
In part, as a result of your recent efforts, the whole of the empathy issue is better structured and easier to understand for those that turn to Google and Wiki for the answers that dictionaries don't provide, to understand more fully what it means to be human. I can't think of many other words more important to gain an accurate and fuller understanding of than empathy, per the new demands of culture and the impact it has on most everyone's connection to others. For the first time in five decades, I feel comfortable that I understand what empathy is. I wish I had access to information like this decades before, but it's good that it is only finger tips away for most, now:).Yellowboy70 (talk) 23:26, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Yellowboy70 and thank you so much! I have been confused about the empathy issue myself and I was happy when I finally found the time to immerse myself into it a couple of days ago. For me, many pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place. Once more, thank you for your comment! Lova Falk talk 07:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Edinburgh
I found this presentation in Edinburgh fascinating – I have always been interested in the subject. Amy Cuddy is a remarkable young woman whose own story is inspirational.
Thank you for adding it to the article.
Happy New Year! –
– Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 09:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you! I usually delete lots of external links so it felt almost like a transgression when I put in one myself, but this one was so good I couldn't resist it. Happy new year to you too! Lova Falk talk 10:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Ha, ha! I know – most often they are SPAM –
– Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 10:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
- Ha, ha! I know – most often they are SPAM –
RE:Your edits to ACT and DBT
Sorry I forgot the source. See here: [5]. Accordingly, it lists DBT and ACT ARE as forms of CBT. Also see here: [6]. It says: "Modern clinical behavior analysis in the form of acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT), however, succeeds in providing a functional definition of human values that meets this latter criterion. ACT is rooted in behavior analysis and relational frame theory (RFT) and defines values in terms of verbally established motivation." And here: [7], which says: "Clinical behavior analysis (CBA) involves the application of behavior analytic principles to the full range of human problems, many of which have traditionally been considered "mental health" issues. CBA clinicians work with the relationship between thoughts, feelings, and other behavior to help people move beyond their problems and toward living more fulfilling lives." Can you revert my edits as they ARE correct? Thank you. ATC . Talk 18:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi ATC! Your first source is incomplete. Maybe it looks different on your computer due to cache, but on my computer, I just get a document of two pages, saying "Welcome to clinical behavior analysis" - no name of author, no name of book (if it is a part of a book???), no year - not a reliable source. However, the second source your provided is better, so I have removed the first source and put the second source in. Your third source doesn't mention either ACT or DBT.
- However, the second part of your statement, that ACT is a combination of cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and applied behavior analysis (ABA) is not in your source, so the citation needed statement stays. I must say, I doubt if that is really true, as far as I know, I would rather describe ACT as a combination of CBT and mindfulness.
- When it comes to DBT, there is only this incomplete source to state that it is a form of clinical behavior analysis and no source at all for the combination statement, so I tagged this. Lova Falk talk 19:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- 1) The scientific journal stated that ACT is a form of clinical behavior analysis in the lead. According to Wiki polices, for these purposes, scientific journals are the most valid resources. 2) Also, I was able to find a journal for DBT. It states: "With its clear hierarchy of treatment targets and behavior modification (through functional analysis), DBT is well suited for treatment of many problems characterized by behavior dyscontrol." See here: [8]. And according to this journal: [9], it states the following: "Perhaps there is a tendency to draw pejorative contrasts between PBS and ABA in order to bolster claims about the status of PBS as a new and distinct science or discipline (e.g., Bambara et al., 1994; E. Carr, 1997; E. Carr et al., 2002; Knoster et al., 2003; Sisson, 1992). There may be disagreement among PBS leaders on this point. On the one hand, for example, Horner (2000) stated that “Positive behavior support is not a new approach. … [It is] the application of behavior analysis to the social problems created by such behaviors as self-injury” (p. 97). He further stated, “There is no difference in theory or science between positive behavior support and behavior modification. These are the same approach with different names. If any difference exists, it is in the acceptance [by PBS] of much larger outcomes and the need to deliver the global technology that will deliver these outcomes” (p. 99). Other writers have referred to PBS as an “extension” of applied behavior analysis (e.g., Turnbull et al., 2002, p. 377)." ATC . Talk 21:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- 3) According to the research, CBA is a form of ABA. See here: [10]. It states: "Clinical behavior analysis (CBA) is defined as the application of radical behaviorism to answer the most basic question about outpatient adult behavior therapy (or any other type of behavior therapy) (Kohlenberg, Tsai and Dougher, 1993)." Plus, Radical behaviorism was developed by B.F. Skinner who later changed the name to Behavior Analysis. The application of behavior analysis, formerly called behavior modification, is now called applied behavior analysis (ABA). ATC . Talk 21:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- 4) Resolved the issue. Are universities accepted as a reliable source? 5) The psychology department at the University of Waikato, stated the following: "Clinical Behaviour Analysis (CBA) is an approach, based in behaviour analysis and classed as one of the cognitive behaviour therapies (CBT), that involves the application of behaviour-analytic principles through verbal strategies to help people with problems. These therapies, often termed third generation behaviour therapies, include Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT), Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Behavioural Activation (BA), Functional Analytic Psychotherapy (FAP) and Integrative Behavioural Couples Therapy (IBCT)." See here: [11]. Why would a university state this meanwhile it is almost impossible to find all of the subtypes of clinical behavior analysis in a scientific journal? ATC . Talk 23:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- 3) According to the research, CBA is a form of ABA. See here: [10]. It states: "Clinical behavior analysis (CBA) is defined as the application of radical behaviorism to answer the most basic question about outpatient adult behavior therapy (or any other type of behavior therapy) (Kohlenberg, Tsai and Dougher, 1993)." Plus, Radical behaviorism was developed by B.F. Skinner who later changed the name to Behavior Analysis. The application of behavior analysis, formerly called behavior modification, is now called applied behavior analysis (ABA). ATC . Talk 21:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- 1) The scientific journal stated that ACT is a form of clinical behavior analysis in the lead. According to Wiki polices, for these purposes, scientific journals are the most valid resources. 2) Also, I was able to find a journal for DBT. It states: "With its clear hierarchy of treatment targets and behavior modification (through functional analysis), DBT is well suited for treatment of many problems characterized by behavior dyscontrol." See here: [8]. And according to this journal: [9], it states the following: "Perhaps there is a tendency to draw pejorative contrasts between PBS and ABA in order to bolster claims about the status of PBS as a new and distinct science or discipline (e.g., Bambara et al., 1994; E. Carr, 1997; E. Carr et al., 2002; Knoster et al., 2003; Sisson, 1992). There may be disagreement among PBS leaders on this point. On the one hand, for example, Horner (2000) stated that “Positive behavior support is not a new approach. … [It is] the application of behavior analysis to the social problems created by such behaviors as self-injury” (p. 97). He further stated, “There is no difference in theory or science between positive behavior support and behavior modification. These are the same approach with different names. If any difference exists, it is in the acceptance [by PBS] of much larger outcomes and the need to deliver the global technology that will deliver these outcomes” (p. 99). Other writers have referred to PBS as an “extension” of applied behavior analysis (e.g., Turnbull et al., 2002, p. 377)." ATC . Talk 21:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind that I numbered you comments so you can see what I answered.
1) Yes, we agree on this one and as you can see in the article, yesterday (before you wrote to me) I put in this article as a source.
2) Neither of your two sources say that DBT is a form of clinical behavior analysis. The first source says it uses functional analysis - which is not the same as saying that it is a form of clinical behavior analysis. In the second source, it starts talking about PBS. The article is about DBT not PBS.
3) Yes, your source says that CBA is a form of ABA but not that it is a combination of CBT and ABA, as you said.
5) I used this ref for the statement that DBT is a form of clinical behavior analysis.
4) No, the issue is not resolved. There is no source for the statement that CBA is a combination of cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and applied behavior analysis (ABA). Nor does the CBA article say so. As you can see, I removed this statement out of the definition, also because it made the definition unnecessarily wordy. Lova Falk talk 08:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Yay!
I got my t-shirt. Thanks a million. Have you got yours yet? Mine's a little smaller than I expected, but it accentuates my rippling six-pack so I don't mind. :) --Anthonyhcole (talk) 10:17, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
- You're very welcome! And no, not yet. If it's too small, I'll just hang it on the wall. Lova Falk talk 19:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi
I loved this. Do you know if the DSM-V will be including SLI as a symptom of the autism spectrum? It and IQ were the defining symptoms that distinguished Kanner's syndrome from high functioning autism and Asperger's. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you! And I don't know. This section says nothing about a language delay. But I'm sure my employer will send me to lectures about DSM-5 some time in the near future and then I'll find out. Cheers! Lova Falk talk 16:33, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Cheers. If you hear something, and remember, can you please let me know? I'm having a little break. Catch you later. Soldier on. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
Hey,
Just wanted to say thank you for both supporting me and questioning my ideas and reasons. And I don't mean either in the bad way. Studying it's easy for my egotism to kick in and to be stuck in that mindset.
So thank you. It's easy to get caught up in your own head and people to question that which is good to open up your own headspace. 10:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legios (talk • contribs)
A barnstar for you!
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | |
For your great kindness and encouragements. Thanks a lot. ···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 10:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC) |
Grants
Looks like the grants idea is taking off. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start --Penbat (talk) 09:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
BTW, although User:Jacobisq has done a lot of seriously awesome stuff, his earlier work was done in an unconventional style where he simply quoted text fragments from the source instead of summarising the cited source. Apart from possible copywrite issues, it also makes the text difficult to read. He is now no longer doing this (see User_talk:Jacobisq#CCI_Notice) and is gradually converting his old material listed at User:Jacobisq/Article list but it is a slow process. If you can help with the conversion please do. I would help myself but quite a lot of it is out of my depth.--Penbat (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- Good to know in case I don't know what to do. The thing is, however, that my job is pretty intensive and I'm not always up to highly demanding editing. But sometimes I am... Lova Falk talk 17:10, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
- It makes it a bit easier that there is no question of the accuracy or veracity of User:Jacobisq's cites, it is more a matter of just re-expressing his quoted text fragments in a more conventional style. It may not necessarily be required to consult the original sources to do this but an understanding of the subject matter is a prerequisite.--Penbat (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- His site is on my to-do list! Lova Falk talk 09:09, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- I had noticed that flaw in Jacobisq's work, such as at the Preadolescence article. Glad to know that he's no longer editing that way, though some quoting is fine. Flyer22 (talk) 04:01, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- It could theoretically be viable to get a grant for Jacobisq to clean up his earlier work but he probably wouldn't be back from his wikibreak before the 1st deadline of Feb 15th. It would be a well defined task. --Penbat (talk) 17:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- His site is on my to-do list! Lova Falk talk 09:09, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- It makes it a bit easier that there is no question of the accuracy or veracity of User:Jacobisq's cites, it is more a matter of just re-expressing his quoted text fragments in a more conventional style. It may not necessarily be required to consult the original sources to do this but an understanding of the subject matter is a prerequisite.--Penbat (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Secondary sex characteristic article
I wonder if the comment an IP made there on the talk was really made by that registered editor (the registered name the IP used). Why wouldn't the editor make that comment while signed in? And why sign with the user name instead of the IP name? If he simply wanted us to know that it's him and not a random IP, that goes back to my first question. And how did he calculate what the time would state without signing under that IP name?
As for the new images added to the article,[12] [13] I suppose they are okay for inclusion. Flyer22 (talk) 03:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- My guess is that it is written by Floating boat, but s/he is simply away from his/her own computer. But why not just ask Floating boat? And yes, I think the pictures are fine. Lova Falk talk 08:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see how being away from his computer could affect him signing in, unless you mean that he didn't want his log information left behind. But we don't have to save our password and we can clear the browser history.
Thank you!
Dear Lova, Thank you for the welcome to wiki! The info you provided was very helpful, and I look forward to putting it to good use!
Firecatalta (talk) 12:17, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
- ^ This does not permit you to link to any page that is violating someone else's copyright. This means that if you cannot include the material in the Wikipedia article because it is copyrighted, then you may link to the copyright owner's page. See WP:COPYLINK.