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Jews, Asian descent
Every single "Jewish descent" category on Wikipedia lists Jews as being of Asian descent. We are talking thousands and thousands of categories. Are you going to remove them all? This should probably be discussed first.
What are you doing? Arabs and Jews are of West Asian descent. The Romani are of South Asian descent. You removing the categories is going against the established pattern of categorization. You also inexplicably removed an "Arab descent" parent category from an "Palestinian descent" category. This also goes against established categorization. Palestinians are Arabs. Solar-Wind (talk) 18:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- It looks like you have classified most of these "of Jewish descent" categories as being "of Asian descent" back in August, Solar-Wind so I'm not sure that "thousands and thousands" is accurate. Please post a diff for where this "established categorization" was determined. Thanks.
- But you are right, we need to gauge consensus. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Category:European people by ethnic or national origin for the post asking for community comment. Liz Read! Talk! 18:50, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you. I will go along with whatever the decision is. On a related note, why remove the Asian descent categories from Arab and Romani categories? Both originate in Asia and both Arabs and Romani still reside in Asia. Solar-Wind (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
- I can see why you decided to remove "Americans of Asian descent" from the "American Ashkenazi Jews" cat, but removing "Middle Eastern people" and whatnot from the main "Ashkenazi Jews" category is just....well, wrong. Ashkenazi Jews did arrive to Europe from Asia/the Middle East. It's equally absurd when Sephardi Jews and Roma have not been removed. Also, not all Arab people are Asian, as many come from North Africa.Evildoer187 (talk) 23:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you. I will go along with whatever the decision is. On a related note, why remove the Asian descent categories from Arab and Romani categories? Both originate in Asia and both Arabs and Romani still reside in Asia. Solar-Wind (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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For cleaning up the recent Galicia mess, the Tireless Contributor Barnstar seems quite appropriate. Cheers, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:01, 19 November 2013 (UTC) |
Ah, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here, I am touched. Truly!
Honestly, I don't know if I would have worked so hard if I'd known how many hours it would take! But, before I bothered to look at her Contributions list and saw how large the number of edits was, it was just one glitch leading to another, I got on a roll and, next thing I knew, it was the afternoon. At least this mess was very narrowly defined...I'm just glad she took on this one small geographical area and not the entire country of the Ukraine. Thanks again for spotting it so soon. Liz Read! Talk! 03:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi
Hi Liz,
I'm sorry I haven't been more attentive to Wikipedia, and I did want to drop you a note to say thank you so much for your thoughts. You have a great mind and view of Wikipedia and life, and I very much appreciate all you do. I'm not sure why or how you found me, but I am very glad you did - and I greatly admire your thoughts.
I'm sorry I didn't get this to you sooner, and I wish you would have known me back in the day when I was actually a positive of Wikipedia. This is a wonderful project, and I urge you to ignore my negative comments.
Thank you so much for talking to me -
Ched
— ChedZILLA 11:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Wow, Ched, that is the nicest note, thanks so much. I'm sorry that your feelings on WP soured but, now that I'm more active, I can see how easily this can happen. The more time, energy, care and attention one invests in a project, the more it matters.
- And so, when the process fails to be just or is seen to be hypocritical, it hurts the people who are more active users the most. And since Arbitrators, Admins and Editors are only human, that means that the mistakes and missteps are fairly predictable...but, hopefully, the checks and balances in the system will lessen their probability and severity.
- It is extra difficult when this happens with non-profits because one does work here not just for the sense of gratification or pursuit of ones goals, but because one believes in the idea or cause of free information. It's more disappointing when these organizations are unfair because when these things happen at a for-profit company, it's just business as usual. People are willing to donate their time and intelligence freely because it's for a greater good.
- So, I'm of a mind that it's more amazing that people still continue to edit and contribute in spite of the semi-regular screw-ups. Wikipedia is a success, despite itself, despite all of the ways that it fails to deliver, that it fails to meet the high ideals it was founded on.
- I only know a little bit about your circumstances, Ched, but it seems like you've found a way to participate without going the full immersion route than Adminship often entails. I think it's great that you've found a way to contribute in a way that is still enjoyable to you and it's not a complete break-up (so to speak). Better that WP becomes a small source of pleasure and fun than a total lifestyle. I still have to learn that lesson myself, hopefully not the hard way!
of XX descent
I've noticed a blossoming of the 'of xx descent' categories reaching sometimes to the absurd. Do you know if there is a consensus on when and how such cats should be created? I found one person whose great grandmother was a Sephardic Jew, so they ended up as a 'of Jewish descent' somewhere. This seems a bit exaggerated to me. Should we have 'jamaicans of Croatian-Jewish' descent? Or just 'of Croatian descent' + 'of Jewish descent' - and only look at the parents - once you start looking at grandparents and great grandparents it becomes ridiculous.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- A couple of thoughts.
- A) A lot of these descent categories are the work of one Editor. I'm trying to delete extraneous categories, avoid having parent categories cross-parent other categories (it happens a fair amount of the time) as most Editors don't understand that except for in non-diffusing categories, an article doesn't have to be categorized under both parent and child categories.
- B) We had a couple of dust-ups on Sunday-Monday. One was the Galicia fiasco where all categorical (and article) references were changed from Eastern Europe to Central Europe. This involved hours to undo, revert and repair. But the second was the discovery that some Editors were tagging every category involving people with Jewish descent with being "of Asian descent". It got to the point where someone who was an Icelandic or Mexican person with Jewish ancestry was also marked as being of Asian descent. So, I went to WP:WikiProject Judaism where I know I'd find people who had opinions and they said to remove Asian descent links (although I kept them for Jews who are from the Middle East which, I now know, is considered "Southwest Asia").
- C) Finally, psychologically, I don't know if it happens to you but when you're on a roll and you are organizing disorderly categories (and it takes a few hours), you can get to the point where you want every stray article that is related the main topic to be categorized. This results in the profusion of categories that might just contain one or two articles just so that the main categories only consists of subcategories and no articles. I understand this impulse but it's important to resist it or you end with Mexicans of Jewish descent who are Asian. I have learned, since I first started working in CfD that WP is not "neat", that not everything has to fit and put in the "right" place. 00:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- I just realized, Obi-Wan Kenobi, that I really didn't answer your question. I've been working with Jewish categories today so that's what I'm most familiar with right now. The guideline is that if an individual self-identifies as being Jewish (and it says so in their WP article), they are classified under Category:American Jews. But if their parents or grandparents were Jewish and there is no indication that they identify themselves as being Jewish, they are categorized as Category:American people of Jewish descent. Considering the rate of intermarriage, the descent category is probably larger than the self-identified category. So far, I've found reasonable levels of categorization down to two levels (like Americans with Iraqi-Jewish descent). That doesn't seem excessive to me.
- The messiness lies in Editors with a certain POV who likes to tag anyone with a specific ancestry and who want to "claim" and categorize individuals who are only marginally connected to their ethnic heritage. The good and bad news is that it happens across the board, with pretty much every nationality (and WP considers ethnicity to be nationality in most cases). So, it's impossible to isolate any one group that is being disruptive in this way. Every nationality wants credit for people with notable accomplishments.
- The only guidelines that I know of is WP:EGRS but I found it very effective to go to WikiProject Judaism and get their consensus which happened in just about 3 hours. Then I could eliminate all Asian references to all categories associated with Jews or Judaism.
- Finally, sorry this is so long, but it really helps to take the full view of the larger categories, in one sitting, to get a sense for the taxonomy, how the parent categories and subcategories are organized rather than debate one category at a time (unless you use one category as a "case study" to use in lieu of dozens of similar categories). Liz Read! Talk! 00:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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Latin American / South American / Arabic / African
Hi! I just saw that you placed an Arabic descent with African descent. You might want to treat that in a similar way as Jewish and Asian, or add the other intersections. Arabic people originate from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. It's an ethnic group not associated with a single continent.... Just a thought. ____ E L A Q U E A T E 21:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
- You're absolutely right, ____ E L A Q U E A T E. But I'm not inventing these categorizations, I'm working with the system that already exists. On Wikipedia, people from Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Sudan and Somalia are classified as being both Arab and African.
- I don't agree with this at all but this is the classification that currently exists and while I would like for it to change, I don't care enough about the issue to try and debate it on several WikiProjects that would be involved in making these changes to ethnic categorizations.
- It can be frustrating. Today, I was working with a continental breakdown of peoples and for this subject, there is a people from Latin America category and a people from South American category. At CfD, I suggested that the two categories be merged but I was told that they refer to two different things (the former, a shared Hispanic culture; the latter, pure geography) so, for example, Venezuela and Ecuador need to be in both a Latin American category and a South American category that both exist in the parent category while Mexico and Cuba are in a Latin American category and a North American category. It's tricky.
- Then, on the weekend, there was a debate about whether individuals who are Jewish should be designated to be of Asian descent because thousands of years ago, Judaism originated in the Middle East. This was the status quo on Wikipedia until I went to WikiProject Judaism and there was a discussion and now that connection is being removed except in cases where the individual/group is from the Middle East or the Asian continent (so not for European or American Jews). That change happened relatively quickly.
- And then we have categories like Black Canadians which is a catch-all for Canadians from the West Indies, Africa and America. It sticks out like a sore thumb and I'd love for it to be broken down into distinct categories based on different ethnicities but it's an existing category and if this is the terminology that is used in Canada, we can't make an abstract categorization system take priority over the reality that exists.
- It's a contentious area which is why WP has WP:EGRS guidelines because identification based on ethnicity, gender, religion and sexual orientation is so sensitive. Thanks for noticing this and calling it to my attention. Happy editing! Liz Read! Talk! 22:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Liz would you be willing to act as an informal mediator in a dispute I am having?
Hi, hope all's well with you. I thought your comments on the John Carter / Ignocrates arbcom case were all very fair and I remember you said you want to help with mediation so I thought I would ask you if you would be willing to look at a dispute I have been involved in the last couple of days. I have irritated quite a few people, my idea is that I could ask one of them to present their "case", I present mine, you could have a look and then tell me if you think I should drop it or not. I don't expect you to rule on the right or wrong of the content, or the other people to be bound by what you say, but I will commit myself to abide by what you say, not in terms of changing my opinion on the subject matter, but whether or not I should continue with the sort of edits I have been making. Thanks,Smeat75 (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, Smeat75, that's awfully flattering for you to say. It was suggested that I might be a good fit to work with dispute resolution here on Wikipedia but I have no training and perhaps you'd like to go to WP:DRN or WP:THIRD and work with an editor more experienced in resolving disputes.
- I don't mean to brush you off though so if this disagreement is occurring on an article talk page, I'd be happy to read it over and offer an impartial view. I'd just be speaking as an uninvolved editor though, not as a mediator. I don't want to claim to have more authority than I have.
- Thanks for thinking of me, let me know if I can help! Liz Read! Talk! 19:39, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- I trust you more than some random person I don't know anything about and have no idea whether they are fair or not. Maybe the word "mediator" is not the right one, I am asking you for your advice, really. This is a content dispute that has occurred over a number of pages, I would not expect you to go to the trouble of reading them all, there is one specific issue I would appreciate your opinion on, my idea is that I ask a representative of the "other side" to present a brief summary of their view for you, I present mine, and if you tell me "you are out of line, I think you should drop this" then I will, if you say "the points you are making are valuable" then I will continue. Does that sound OK? ThanksSmeat75 (talk) 20:09, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Is it OK to use my talk page?Smeat75 (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- If it's okay with the other party, I think that would be fine. Maybe you should create a dedicated subpage for it, in case the discussion goes a little long. Then you can preserve the conversation and not have it be interrupted by other talk page messages and you don't have to worry about it being archived. Liz Read! Talk! 23:20, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi there, when you have a minute can you look at the "Royalty dispute" section of my talk page [1]. It's not too long, about five paragraphs. I would be grateful for your opinion, not as to the rights or wrongs as to the content of the dispute, but whether I am acting like a jerk. Thanks a lotSmeat75 (talk) 05:01, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- If it's okay with the other party, I think that would be fine. Maybe you should create a dedicated subpage for it, in case the discussion goes a little long. Then you can preserve the conversation and not have it be interrupted by other talk page messages and you don't have to worry about it being archived. Liz Read! Talk! 23:20, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Is it OK to use my talk page?Smeat75 (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Done, Smeat75. I didn't have much to say about royalty, most of my comments were the way you were going about your editing. Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you so much Liz, comments on my editing were exactly what I wanted your opinion on, I appreciate you ploughing through five paragraphs full of all that arcane jargon for me. Your comments about how I should drop the anger you could discern, edit dispassionately and not vent, try to win allies by persuasion, were particularly helpful. I don't remember how I came across these articles just a few days ago, I did not go looking for them, somehow I just happened upon an article about a great-grandson or something of the last German Emperor that used all these "Your Royal Highness" things and said he was a prince and listed all his "styles and titles" exactly as though all of that had not been abolished in 1919, which it was. I couldn't believe it and found to my horror that there are hundreds, or thousands, of such articles on WP. It just all seemed so utterly ridiculous to me, I asked for advice, one editor I trust agreed with me that the article should be altered, I tried to do it and found immediate opposition from a lot of people who will argue your head off about the Almanach de Gotha and such arcana from here till next century. I started to wonder if I should just drop it but I have found a couple of allies, so I think I am going to open an RfC on this matter and remember your sage advice. I knew you were the right person to ask, thanks again for ploughing through five paragraphs of all that esoteric gobbledegook, good luck with your own dispute and Happy Editing!Smeat75 (talk) 04:17, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Done, Smeat75. I didn't have much to say about royalty, most of my comments were the way you were going about your editing. Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Smeat75, I didn't mention my previous encounters with these royal titles. At WP:CfD, there are regular nominations for deletion of special national awards and honors which are frequently bestowed to royalty. While not many editors have responded to defend these category deletions, the fact that some folks organized dozens (hundreds?) of these categories, assigned them to each biography article, shows that this is the work, over time, of more than one editor.
You might visit CfD and voice your opinion when these categories are nominated but if you choose to nominate any for discussion, please do so in small doses unless the categories are closely related. It's easier for editors to debate the merits of one category that to consider deleting 20 categories all at once and editors are more likely to vote Keep when it looks like the nominator is wiping the slate clean of a whole group of categories (unless they are closely related like "X honors of 1896", "X honors of 1900", "X honors of 1904", etc.). Liz Read! Talk! 12:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Terminology
Hi Liz. Not sure which side of the pond you're on! Anyway, in the UK, a "prefect" is most commonly a 17-year-old (approximately) school pupil with (nowadays) strictly limited part-time and unpaid powers in managing and disciplining younger pupils in the same school. One might therefore imagine that the user in question could be such a person who happens to be taking GCSE Law studies alongside their A-levels. Or something like that. This would both explain their rather bombastic and aggressive attitude, and also reassure us that they are not claiming to be a lawyer.
(The block is still 100% sound regardless of this theory, of course.)
Having said all that, I have no proof that the above is actually the case, and could be wrong. Thus - due to it being unfair to taunt or even gently mock the blocked - I mention it here instead of on their talkpage, and I don't mention their username here. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- First, Demiurge1000, it took me a while to figure out what (who) you are talking about. Second, what do you mean UK, isn't the world based on how things work in the U.S.?
- Seriously though, accepting that a 17 year old is studying law, would he/she actually be able to take legal action, on their own? Teenagers drawing up lawsuits? In the U.S. it takes a 4 year degree, 3 years in law school and then passing a very rigorous examination so the youngest lawyers one runs into here are 25 years old. Liz Read! Talk! 23:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- You did figure out what I was talking about, though.
- But, and this may not have been very clear, when I wikilinked GCSE I intended to imply that this is not "studying law" as such. A course aimed at 14 to 16 year olds does not qualify someone to practice law in the UK, just as it does not in the USA. Such courses are designed as an introduction to legal theory and practice, and are at best "useful" for moving on to "proper" study of law some years later.
- I have never differed from the viewpoint that there are almost certainly no lawsuits in action regarding this issue. My hint at the possible agegroup of the editor was intended to reinforce that.
- (Lawsuits on behalf of minors are possible in the UK and presumably some other countries. But there is no lawsuit of that nature here.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- True, but. A regular person who is concerned that someone might be breaking (copyright) law, starts by approaching one or two outlets for complaint about such things. When they get replies saying they are wrong, they say either "no", or "please could you explain some more", or "please could you explain what you are doing about this", or, "I'm going to sue you!" This one is going to sue everyone. Apparently. Real people don't do this. Not even good faith but confused people.
- So yes, "in over their head" would also include a 17 year old enrolled in a GCSE law course who is confident that her understanding of things is right. She is wrong. The original poster was wildly aggressive about all this, across multiple locations, and was blocked for good reason. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
C-SPAN—help before going to FAC?
Hey there, Liz. I hope all's been well, and I hope you don't mind if I ask you for a bit of help: I am having an impossible time finding someone to look at one request I have for the C-SPAN article, so I thought I'd see if you were willing to consider it. As with Hobby Lobby, I'm asking in my capacity as a consultant, and I should stay away from direct editing. This is a different case: I've actually been getting C-SPAN ready for FAC, but first I have one final change to suggest for the Development section. Right now, one passage about its founding says:
- Lamb shared his idea with John D. Evans in 1977, who with a number of others helped to co-found the network.[7][8] Early cable-television executive Bob Rosencrans provided the initial funding of $25,000 for Lamb to initiate C-SPAN in 1979 and other cable-television executives followed suit.[4][9]
But the phrase "who with a number of others help to co-found the network" is vague, so I did some additional research, and proposed the following:
- Lamb shared his idea with several cable executives, who helped him launch the network. Among them were Bob Rosencrans who provided $25,000 of initial funding in 1979[1][2] and John D. Evans who provided the wiring and access to the headend needed for the distribution of the C-SPAN signal.[3][4]
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If you agree that this is clearer would you be willing to add this to the article? If you have any questions about either of these, I'd be happy to answer. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 23:07, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- WWB Too, have we worked together or talked before? I'm drawing a blank right now.
- I'll look over your article but I'll need to do it tomorrow when I have "fresh eyes" because I have no familiarity with the article and have never read it before. Right now, I'm in the midst of something else, it's Friday night and I'm tired. ;-) Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
- Hi there, Liz. Yep. we traded a few messages on my Talk page regarding Hobby Lobby last month. Thanks for being willing to look at the help request, and let me know if you have any questions. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:46, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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Formal logic and philosophy
Hello. Your categorization work is great but I have a minor objection. You recently categorized six Greek logicians as philosophers. However, half of the Greek logicians to whom you added Category:Greek philosophers are formal logicians who have never published anything in the field of philosophy. Formal logic is not a branch of philosophical logic; it is a subfield of mathematics. --Omnipaedista (talk) 17:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- You are certainly correct, Omnipaedista. Let me refer you to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Oct#philosophers galore where I was roundly instructed that some logicians are mathematicians, not philosophers.
- I was led to believe in this conversation that my mistakes had been reverted by other editors and the Category:Philosophers tag has been removed so I didn't try to retrace my steps. But clearly not every revert occurred. Thank you for correcting the record, it's much appreciated!
- I wish that there was some terminology to distinguish logicians who are in mathematics from logicians in philosophy but my comment on this question in the discussion didn't go very far. I know when I think about the field of logic, I think of philosophy, I wasn't aware that mathematical logic existed as a separate field. But now I know and I'm the richer for it. ;-) Liz Read! Talk! 17:40, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for referring me to that discussion thread! --Omnipaedista (talk) 18:08, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
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If you have a moment, would you mind taking a look at an arb request I'm working on regarding the shenanigans at Rupert Sheldrake? My email is on my talk page, if you had any feedback it would be greatly appreciated. I respect your opinion and knowledge of this topic. Thanks either way! The Cap'n (talk) 17:44, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, The Cap'n, I don't know very much about Sheldrake. I just noticed that this article kept coming up at WP:ANI so I went to Talk Page to see what was up. It seemed like those editors who were sympathetic to Sheldrake's views were getting targeted and bullied so I spoke up for them (or I tried to). That didn't work out too well so I stopped posting there back in October. So, I'm not knowledgeable about Sheldrake but I'm a little knowledgeable about the fighting over his article. I'll check out your sandbox statement in the next day or so (things are a little busy here). Liz Read! Talk! 22:38, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Askahrc (talk • contribs) 20:09, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, Askahrc. Liz Read! Talk! 20:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm notifying everyone to whom this Arb's request applies. Please consider responding.David in DC (talk) 15:52, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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Mercy is the virtue of the wise.
Thank you for this comment. It showed mercy, something which is rarely found on WP:ANI. I have asked Flo to reopen the report so that the community can weigh in, but she has refused. Mercy and power are so very rarely compatible. MilesMoney (talk) 03:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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DR steps
Hi Liz and thanks for your recent comment, however there is no actual required steps to the DR process. One can go straight to DR/N or skip it entirely and use formal mediation or any other process available on Wikipedia. AFDs may also be done six months after the last AFD. It is unlikely that much has changed and it doubtful that is the best "next move" and you may be correct that it was my frustration talking, but the article needs a lot of work and one thing that we need not debate is copyright violations and youtube videos with no apparent notable source creation. Anyone can create a video of a convention interview/question and answer forum, but it is not a reliable source if fan made. I am not exactly convinced the editor misunderstands my points. They seem too well informed of Wikipedia policy and guidelines on the one hand in working on the article and now suddenly in the discussion doesn't seem to understand a copyright violation? OK. I will assume good fait, but they are still wrong.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:40, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- An interview is an interview. If a person interviews, say, President Obama, his remarks, concerning his remarks, can be used as a source of information about himself whether it is in the NYTimes or a YouTube video. It's not like it was a fan commentary on a subject, it was an interview with the subject in question. They can be considered to be an expert about themselves. Liz Read! Talk! 00:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Re: Missing Wikipedians
Hi Liz, they're both the same person. See the link proving this that is attached to the Bobblewik entry on the missing Wikipedians page. Graham87 14:22, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, Graham87. There was no indication on either Talk Page that they were the same person. Liz Read! Talk! 00:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hello again. I create a categories page for Category:Cody Robert Simpson for replace Category:Cody Simpson, Im not a sysop. Thanks. SamanthaPuckettIndo (talk) 12:53, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
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All the tea in China | ||
For all your help and support through what is for me a rather tedious endeavour :-) Just don't demand exclusive rights from the Chinese Communist Party. Serendipodous 19:26, 14 December 2013 (UTC) |
Answered on my talk page.. JamesBWatson (talk) 17:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
I would consider using that category. Thank you. SamanthaPuckettIndo (talk) 21:17, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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- Oh, man, Sam Sailor Sing! I thought this was over. Well, thanks for letting me know, Sam. Liz Read! Talk! 20:47, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
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