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Compare the Savile Article against the Joe Paterno and Penn State Child Sex Abuse Articles and there is no comparison. Wikipedia is like the English Court of Public Opinion, out for a witch hunt that the facts do not substantiate.[[User:Johncheverly|johncheverly]] 02:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC) |
Compare the Savile Article against the Joe Paterno and Penn State Child Sex Abuse Articles and there is no comparison. Wikipedia is like the English Court of Public Opinion, out for a witch hunt that the facts do not substantiate.[[User:Johncheverly|johncheverly]] 02:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:If you compare Savile's article to convicted predators, like the aforementioned Sandusky, it should be apparent that the language used in these articles is completely different because Sandusky was convicted and Savile was not. You also questioned why about his friendship with Thatcher was not mentioned but it actually is. Another user mentioned this to you as well. With that aside I reverted your edit because I felt it went against consensus based on what I was reading in talk. Many of the tags including autobiography, needing citations, global, etc. were also irrelevant. I'm sorry I could not have been more eloquent in my edit summary and I hope you weren't offended. Hope this clears everything up..[[User:LM2000|LM2000]] ([[User talk:LM2000#top|talk]]) 03:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC) |
:If you compare Savile's article to convicted predators, like the aforementioned Sandusky, it should be apparent that the language used in these articles is completely different because Sandusky was convicted and Savile was not. You also questioned why about his friendship with Thatcher was not mentioned but it actually is. Another user mentioned this to you as well. With that aside I reverted your edit because I felt it went against consensus based on what I was reading in talk. Many of the tags including autobiography, needing citations, global, etc. were also irrelevant. I'm sorry I could not have been more eloquent in my edit summary and I hope you weren't offended. Hope this clears everything up..[[User:LM2000|LM2000]] ([[User talk:LM2000#top|talk]]) 03:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC) |
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::Apology accepted and since you are not talking to me like Ol'GrumpAss, or whatever it's name is, I have concisely put these specific citations down where I was asked about what I would like to see included in the Savile Article/s . . .I think it's important they be taken into account. I wanted to get someone on here that is a barrister or solicitor in the UK to provide legal context as to what the legal climate was like in the 60s and 70s when a lot of this stuff was alleged to have taken place. Finally, Sanduskey was given do process of law, if you remember, Eight victims sat in the same Court Room with him and gave testimony against him. IMHO, the Savile thing is a public character assassination to get 30 million pounds worth of insurance money out of the BBC.[[User:Johncheverly|johncheverly]] 04:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC) |
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Whatever you think the significance of all that might be, it seems irrelevant to improving the content of the article. All this correspondence was discussed before Thatcher's death, and is mentioned under "Public image and friendships" in his biography article. What changes do you think should be made to the article? Ghmyrtle (talk) 5:32 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4) |
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I definitely think there needs to be some quotes from Sir Jimmy Savile OBE's mistress Sue Hymns that "There's absolutely nothing there. People make those things up." |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koueH9D04yg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2069358/Jimmy-Saviles-secret-lover-Sue-Hymns-talks-VERY-unconventional-life-together.html |
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Also, his neice, Amanda McKenna, also has refuted the scandalous stories. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koueH9D04yg |
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-saviles-family-reveal-their-outrage-870828 |
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And she tells how she was hurt over the years by false rumours about her uncle. BBC’s Newsnight even began an investigation into unfounded allegations relating to under-aged girls. |
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She says: “Uncle Jimmy always said, ‘People were looking for the big secret about me but the big secret is that there isn’t one’.” |
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Any mentions of his posthumous AUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY??? Why not??? |
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http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/features/leader/9806293.The_real_Jimmy/ |
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Also, of the over 40 people that claim they were "molested" by Savile in the West Yorkshire region of England, NONE ever reported the incident to the West Yorkshire Police, and there is no evidence of any criminal behavior by Savile. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrp6cHjets |
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Paul Gambiccini's Claims??? Why are they even included in this article??? Listen to all 11:30 minutes of this interview:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DutNY63LqO0 Complete bullshit there. This motherfucker has no concrete information. It's all a bunch of hot air by a has-been that never made it. |
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Talk about payoffs, don't you think you ought to add info from this article??? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/savile-to-cost-bbc-insurers-millions-8590981.html |
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Show me the fucking money=30 million pounds worth. |
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Also, what's the statute of limitations on the charges against Max Clifford, Freddie Starr, Rolf Harris, Jim Davidson, etcetera??? These guys are in their late 60's, early 70s now. |
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Is there anyone on Wikipedia that can give some kind of context of the English Legal system??? Were the laws the same in the 1960s and 1970s as they are today??? |
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These are the things that are nagging me and that I come to Wikipedia for wanting to read FACTUAL ANSWERS ON.[[User:Johncheverly|johncheverly]] 04:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC) |
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Doubting good faith . . .
or questioning whether the person has even read the article, is not a really good way to address a tag. I have read the article. And I do question the neutrality, just the same way I question the whole way the English media has handled the Savile affair, as I would call it. For 50 years the English media delighted in the guy. Four women make unsubstantiated allegations against him in a documentary a year after his death and suddenly he's the devil himself. When I start pointing out media that is favorable to Savile such as a woman's claim that she had a 40 year off and on relationship with him and refuting the paedophile claims http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2069358/Jimmy-Saviles-secret-lover-Sue-Hymns-talks-VERY-unconventional-life-together.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koueH9D04yg I am told that The Daily Mail is not a reliable source, even after the article uses a Daily Mail source in an attempt to accuse Savile of paedophllia through speculation and hearsay. Also, the article does not use BBC and other news reports that exonerate Savile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrp6cHjets. That particular video features an Assistant Chief Constable on the West Yorkshire Police force stating that it does not have any evidence nor reports against Savile, let alone any criminal charges against him.
I think this is a witch hunt. All it is is a bunch of posthumous he said/she said stuff.
Compare the Savile Article against the Joe Paterno and Penn State Child Sex Abuse Articles and there is no comparison. Wikipedia is like the English Court of Public Opinion, out for a witch hunt that the facts do not substantiate.johncheverly 02:29, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you compare Savile's article to convicted predators, like the aforementioned Sandusky, it should be apparent that the language used in these articles is completely different because Sandusky was convicted and Savile was not. You also questioned why about his friendship with Thatcher was not mentioned but it actually is. Another user mentioned this to you as well. With that aside I reverted your edit because I felt it went against consensus based on what I was reading in talk. Many of the tags including autobiography, needing citations, global, etc. were also irrelevant. I'm sorry I could not have been more eloquent in my edit summary and I hope you weren't offended. Hope this clears everything up..LM2000 (talk) 03:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- Apology accepted and since you are not talking to me like Ol'GrumpAss, or whatever it's name is, I have concisely put these specific citations down where I was asked about what I would like to see included in the Savile Article/s . . .I think it's important they be taken into account. I wanted to get someone on here that is a barrister or solicitor in the UK to provide legal context as to what the legal climate was like in the 60s and 70s when a lot of this stuff was alleged to have taken place. Finally, Sanduskey was given do process of law, if you remember, Eight victims sat in the same Court Room with him and gave testimony against him. IMHO, the Savile thing is a public character assassination to get 30 million pounds worth of insurance money out of the BBC.johncheverly 04:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Whatever you think the significance of all that might be, it seems irrelevant to improving the content of the article. All this correspondence was discussed before Thatcher's death, and is mentioned under "Public image and friendships" in his biography article. What changes do you think should be made to the article? Ghmyrtle (talk) 5:32 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)
I definitely think there needs to be some quotes from Sir Jimmy Savile OBE's mistress Sue Hymns that "There's absolutely nothing there. People make those things up."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koueH9D04yg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2069358/Jimmy-Saviles-secret-lover-Sue-Hymns-talks-VERY-unconventional-life-together.html
Also, his neice, Amanda McKenna, also has refuted the scandalous stories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koueH9D04yg
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-saviles-family-reveal-their-outrage-870828
And she tells how she was hurt over the years by false rumours about her uncle. BBC’s Newsnight even began an investigation into unfounded allegations relating to under-aged girls.
She says: “Uncle Jimmy always said, ‘People were looking for the big secret about me but the big secret is that there isn’t one’.”
Any mentions of his posthumous AUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY??? Why not???
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/features/leader/9806293.The_real_Jimmy/
Also, of the over 40 people that claim they were "molested" by Savile in the West Yorkshire region of England, NONE ever reported the incident to the West Yorkshire Police, and there is no evidence of any criminal behavior by Savile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xrp6cHjets
Paul Gambiccini's Claims??? Why are they even included in this article??? Listen to all 11:30 minutes of this interview:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DutNY63LqO0 Complete bullshit there. This motherfucker has no concrete information. It's all a bunch of hot air by a has-been that never made it.
Talk about payoffs, don't you think you ought to add info from this article??? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/savile-to-cost-bbc-insurers-millions-8590981.html
Show me the fucking money=30 million pounds worth.
Also, what's the statute of limitations on the charges against Max Clifford, Freddie Starr, Rolf Harris, Jim Davidson, etcetera??? These guys are in their late 60's, early 70s now.
Is there anyone on Wikipedia that can give some kind of context of the English Legal system??? Were the laws the same in the 1960s and 1970s as they are today???
These are the things that are nagging me and that I come to Wikipedia for wanting to read FACTUAL ANSWERS ON.johncheverly 04:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)