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I have an idea of reducing the requirements for the WP:US which can be found here: User:Adamdaley/Draft of Article 3 on that talkpage of mine. It reduces the Universities to just placing "|Universities=y", Capital Cities as "|Capital-Cities=y", and Regional Cities as "|Regional-Cities=y" and since I'm doing the ACW having Confederates as "|ACW-CSA=y" US Federal troops as "|ACW-US=y". The last two can be tweaked. Have every state and territory listed. I'm open for suggestions. Adamdaley (talk) 04:22, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
USA
I hope you read this Kumioko. Long ago I made a massive push to get the assessment of USA done, a few bumps threw me off when it never should have. I just read about the attempt at its deletion and was considerably shocked by it. As a result, I am going to finish my assessment work, if you are able to mentor me in tagging and other administrative operations related to the project, I would be very happy. It may be a bit late, if you truly have left, I only discovered the matter today. The desire to maintain and improve Wikipedia in its core functions, independent of content, is something that few editors truly desire. It is part of my reason for taking charge in A&M subjects. I simply do not believe editors who contribute nothing to a Wikiproject or are a detriment to the operation should be allowed to determine the fate of anything. By the sweat of your brow untold millions of people have furthered their education because your edits have provided a path for improvements to be made, directly or indirectly. Those who work behind the scenes to operate the play are just as important as those who are on stage. I'll fight like hell to complete the task and make WP:USA's assessment template useful for the international studies by treating it like a textbook. Top, High and Mid should reflect subjects of varying degrees useful to those in general international interest, citizenship and study and a deeper study, respectively. This cannot be done at the state levels, this cannot be done in any other capacity and the operation and maintenance must be done periodically to ensure stability and relevance of the assessment. I believe there is a way to maintain it easily, but I lack some training. Even if you do not get my message, I will continue to do what I can to improve Wikipedia. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:42, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hi ChrisGualtieri, Kumioko hasn't edited for a while, but if you need general help figuring out how to deal with the banner, you can leave a note for me or ask more generally at WT:COUNCIL. The "importance" (or "priority") ratings are important to the WP:1.0 team, so that's another avenue for finding answers to questions you have. From their perspective "Top" means "offline releases should always include this article, no matter how poor it is" and "Low" means "offline releases should almost never include this article unless it's reached FA", and everything else is somewhere in between. My other rule of thumb is that Top-rated articles should be less than 1% of all articles. So those two rules of thumb might help. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
- One of the problems that led to criticism of the US Wikiproject was the fact that importance ratings assigned by small projects that got adopted by the US WikiProject got propagated up to the US Wikiproject. As a result, pages like Geology of Massachusetts, Hillerich & Bradsby, Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, McKinney, Texas, and Texas Tech Red Raiders and Lady Raiders are now incongruously identified as top-level importance for the entire United States. A compounding problem is that, due to the complexity of the nested Wikiproject templates, other users can't always figure out how to correct these things manually. --Orlady (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I intend to resolve that issue. Once I finalize a plan, I will make a proposal and treat it in terms of textbook importance with increasing specificity for High and Mid importance ratings. I've already manually removed a bunch of these, but found some that are indeed mid or high level importance. Individual states should be High whereas Culture of the United States is TOP. Somethings like state weather patterns were also in TOP, but this can be maintained with some care so it won't be so bad in the future. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- {{WPMED}} took merged-in projects and new task forces and gave them all their own importance tags, which are separate from the overall project's importance. Do you know if the WPUS banner already set up to accommodate this separation? (I might make the main articles for all 50 states be top-importance, myself, but it's up to you all.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, WP:US has separate importance tags for the subprojects and sub-sub-projects. However, at some point in the past, if one nested subproject had an importance rating for an article, that rating was automatically propagated to all of the other projects. As a result, pages that are "top" importance for (for example) the Texas Tech project automatically became "top" importance for the entire United States. --Orlady (talk) 19:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- {{WPMED}} took merged-in projects and new task forces and gave them all their own importance tags, which are separate from the overall project's importance. Do you know if the WPUS banner already set up to accommodate this separation? (I might make the main articles for all 50 states be top-importance, myself, but it's up to you all.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I intend to resolve that issue. Once I finalize a plan, I will make a proposal and treat it in terms of textbook importance with increasing specificity for High and Mid importance ratings. I've already manually removed a bunch of these, but found some that are indeed mid or high level importance. Individual states should be High whereas Culture of the United States is TOP. Somethings like state weather patterns were also in TOP, but this can be maintained with some care so it won't be so bad in the future. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
- One of the problems that led to criticism of the US Wikiproject was the fact that importance ratings assigned by small projects that got adopted by the US WikiProject got propagated up to the US Wikiproject. As a result, pages like Geology of Massachusetts, Hillerich & Bradsby, Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, McKinney, Texas, and Texas Tech Red Raiders and Lady Raiders are now incongruously identified as top-level importance for the entire United States. A compounding problem is that, due to the complexity of the nested Wikiproject templates, other users can't always figure out how to correct these things manually. --Orlady (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Greetings. Because you participated in the August 2013 move request regarding this subject, you may be interested in participating in the current discussion. This notice is provided pursuant to Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification. Cheers! bd2412 T 21:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Precious again
Medal of Honor
Thank you for quality articles on recipients of the Medal of Honor, for quoting the wisdom "We have known the bitterness of defeat and the exultation of triumph, and from both we have learned there can be no turning back.", applied to an honorable oppose, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (5 February 2010 and 22 January 2011)!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
A year ago, you were the 276th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style. I include you in those remembered on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks but after editing for more than 6 years I now look back at the time I spent here as a waste of my time. I appreciate the award, but I wished at this point I would have never started editing. Good luck to you though. Kumioko (talk) 19:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for the good wishes, luck needed ;) - I think understand what you mean, but I would not regret what I gave so far. (I was close to leaving four times, once a year, - I knew why I mentioned "bitterness of defeat" a year ago.) - This is no reward, of course, but the memory of a reward, and the memory of the two people who inspired it, missing. Good luck to you for the better things you do now, and thanks for showing up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
WP:AN discussion
I have started a discussion about some of your edits at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive255#Kumioko socking. Fram (talk) 08:20, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up and since I will be blocked soon. I want you to know and I doubt this will surprise you that I think you are one of the most abusive admins on this site. Your tools should have been revoked long ago and you should have been tossed from the site. You are manipulative, you frequently exhaggerate the facts to suit your own POV and purpose and you are responsible for hundreds of thousands of useful edits not getting done. You are BTW one of the admins I am referring too that should have the tools revoked along with Rschen, Guerrilero, CBM and several others. None of you should be able to Block or protect pages because you all use them abusively. All the other tools are fine though BTW. Guerillero sure as hell shouldn't be on the Arbcom and should be a functionary. I'm glad he and CBM don't do much, the project is better off without them. In the end, you will probably succeed in getting me blocked and you all will be able to continue your cycles of abuse. I recommend targetting User:Koavf next. He has done a lot of editing so he must be doing something wrong. Certainly violating edit rates with AWB. Kumioko (talk) 11:26, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013
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Hey. Saw your note on that front, and figured I probably didn't explain what I had meant. There are copyright investigations that do require admin help, whether it's due to needing revisions or articles deleted or history merges that were unattributed. A good number of them, however, are good faith editors that had close paraphrasing issues where the references are provided. For these, all you would have to do is use the Duplication Detector to see if the issues remain in the article with the added sources, and reword if that's the case. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20100307 would be a good one to practice on for that reason, as most of the early edits are long gone from the article and any recent ones still have references that work.
As for one last point, the most active user at CCI that isn't me is User:MER-C, a non-admin, take that for what it's worth. Wizardman 02:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note. As I mentioned before, I have tried to help out there in the past but I found it takes 3 times longer of my time to do it. Because if I find something, I then need to draft up something convincing with links and evidence, then submit it, frequently get into a discussion about it, then eventually someone might take the action needed. The bottom line is if I can't have the tools to do the job I don't need to be doing it. Its great that some have found a way to work around that, but in my opinion if my help was wanted or needed I would have access to the tools I needed to do it. As I stated somewhere else though I'm basically fed up with this place though. I would also note that Duplication detector isn't perfect either. I had found many times where I tried to use it and it flagged something as a copyright violation but was really a government work, copied to another site and called copywritten. It used to be a big problem with the Medal of Honor citations. They were copied from Government sites to the Home of Heroes site and then the detector would flag them, then someone who didn't know what they were doing would delete them and I would have to create a discussion to prove they screwed up. I have seen cases like that at least a dozen times in the past few months I just ignored them. Most were military related BTW but not necessarily Medal of Honor recipients and no I don't remember what they are. I just shook my head and said to myself that figures. Basically though I'm not needed or wanted on this site, that has been made very very clear to me. So my activity is going to be basically gone. I will probably reply to a discussion from time to time but mostly as an IP. That's part f the problem with the system here. If an editor with abut half a million edits and 7 years on the site can't be trusted, then its time to go. Kumioko (talk) 12:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry!
- I think I may have accidently removed a large chunk of your text while trying to fix an edit conflict. I sincerely apologise. I have reverted Irondome (talk) 22:36, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Talk:RfA
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but I do think you're way down in a rut and not helping your own case for reform at this point. Kudpung has stated a couple of times that you are a nice guy face to face and that you did a lot of good for the project and helped a lot of people. But retirement combined with gadflying rubs a lot of people the wrong way, no matter the circumstances, and you're now well into saying repeatedly that you don't care a fig about the project ... but you're going to tell us at length your opinion on aspects of it, anyway. Please, walk away for real, for a good long time. Feel free to e-mail me if you want to discuss specifics. (I would feel more comfortable discussing your admin candidacies one-on-one anyway; but I'm also quite ready to be used as an example of a mediocre admin and taken to task for it.) You have prided yourself on speaking truth to power; now's the time to recognize that you are just repeating yourself, and that Leaky caldron was himself speaking some straight truths. At least leave that page alone for several months, please. If only to let events marinate so that who's right on what can be more clearly demonstrated. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I have no intention of running for admin or participating in this project at this point. Yes I may do the occassional edit or comment in spurts on discussions as an IP. But the community has worn me down to the point where I don't want to contribute in this project anymore. I do agree that I should leave for a while though and stop wasting my time commenting. Unfortunately its just a waste of time commenting in those discussions anyway because no matter what anyone thinks of my comments, nothing is going to come out of any of those discussions anyway so it really just amounts to a waste of time. Kumioko (talk) 17:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Please do consider the hard truth that - at this point - your commenting is hurting rather than helping. I know you care despite yourself; that's why I'm being blunt and saying this. Do remember I am e-mailable. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- No worries. I frankly don't think you or Leaky's distracting comments in there are helping much either. But yeah, I am going to walk away at this point because I don't honestly think anyone wants to fix the system except me. Most don't see it as a problem, which is probably the most unfortunate fact in all of it. But intended or otherwise I am just taking this as another hint from the community that my help is no neither needed nor wanted. A hint that too many editors get too often on this site and is one of the biggest reasons why we are seeing drops in editorship. If admins and entrecnched editors are allowed to simply force out those they don't agree with, you are left with nothing but a crowd of yesmen and ultra conservatives that don't bother to speak up of fix things for fear of being pushed out. Kumioko (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm afraid you just aren't seeing how detrimental your personalization is to the argument. Throwing personal attacks ("clowns" is a clear example) and edit warring over the position of a hat? However, I'm trying one more time to talk you down, because it looks as if you've managed to confuse me with Ymblanter. As a result, you may owe him an apology. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:17, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Actually I do get that but unfortunately I also don't think you and Leaky understand how your comments, which are focused solely on my and your opinions of me, are detrimental to that discussion. You 2 seem to actually think it was a benefit, or simply don't care and refused to drop the sticks and move on. You 2 don't like me, I get that, I do. But we don't need 5000 words in the middle of a discussion on the RFA talk page. You are right I did and I confused Leaky with you as well when I added my desciption when I collapsed that discussion. I also wasn't edit warring. I was replacing a comment that was incorectly moved that was a direct reply to werespielcheckers. Kumioko (talk) 19:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK, I accept the implied apology regardless of the assumption that you know how I feel about you :-). However ... you're the only one defining your case as essential to discussion there. That's the personalization I'm referring to, and it's having a detrimental effect. Your point has been made; step back. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Actually I do get that but unfortunately I also don't think you and Leaky understand how your comments, which are focused solely on my and your opinions of me, are detrimental to that discussion. You 2 seem to actually think it was a benefit, or simply don't care and refused to drop the sticks and move on. You 2 don't like me, I get that, I do. But we don't need 5000 words in the middle of a discussion on the RFA talk page. You are right I did and I confused Leaky with you as well when I added my desciption when I collapsed that discussion. I also wasn't edit warring. I was replacing a comment that was incorectly moved that was a direct reply to werespielcheckers. Kumioko (talk) 19:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- I'm afraid you just aren't seeing how detrimental your personalization is to the argument. Throwing personal attacks ("clowns" is a clear example) and edit warring over the position of a hat? However, I'm trying one more time to talk you down, because it looks as if you've managed to confuse me with Ymblanter. As a result, you may owe him an apology. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:17, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- No worries. I frankly don't think you or Leaky's distracting comments in there are helping much either. But yeah, I am going to walk away at this point because I don't honestly think anyone wants to fix the system except me. Most don't see it as a problem, which is probably the most unfortunate fact in all of it. But intended or otherwise I am just taking this as another hint from the community that my help is no neither needed nor wanted. A hint that too many editors get too often on this site and is one of the biggest reasons why we are seeing drops in editorship. If admins and entrecnched editors are allowed to simply force out those they don't agree with, you are left with nothing but a crowd of yesmen and ultra conservatives that don't bother to speak up of fix things for fear of being pushed out. Kumioko (talk) 17:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Please do consider the hard truth that - at this point - your commenting is hurting rather than helping. I know you care despite yourself; that's why I'm being blunt and saying this. Do remember I am e-mailable. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
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Your use of multiple Wikipedia accounts
Hi. An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Wikipedia account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kumioko, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Wikipedia administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Wikipedia policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Wikipedia community.
Chris Troutman (talk) 21:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. It doesn't really matter if I get blocked at this point I'm just an untrustworthy editor anyway. I've been told that repeatedly for trying to improve the project. No reason I shouldn't get blocked too. Kumioko (talk) 21:48, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you haven't been blocked then you're just not trying hard enough. Eric Corbett 22:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I must be doing ok then cause I've been blocked several times...I think I am about due for a ban soon.:-) Kumioko (talk) 22:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but you need to get back on the front foot and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Eric Corbett 22:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- What I really need to do is just stop editing and walk away frankly. Its more and more clear to me that this place is going into the toilet and no one really cares. They definately don't care what I say anymore. I've shouted it till I'm blue in the face (maybe I should change my user name to Pappa Smurf....THIS IS WIKIPEDIA!) I mean Smurf Village...I mean Sparta...I'm so confused. :-)Kumioko (talk) 22:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Don't shout, I hear you ;) - I got a nice recommendation for a different user name, made an infobox around it. I asked myself rather recently if I could reasonably support this projects any longer, - you can guess my answer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- This particular incarnation is clearly on its last legs, and one can't help but wonder what will happen when the English Wikipedia, the WMF's flagship product, collapses. I believe the Spanish Wikipedia forked some years ago, and it's looking increasingly likely that the German one might follow suit. Eric Corbett 23:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Don't shout, I hear you ;) - I got a nice recommendation for a different user name, made an infobox around it. I asked myself rather recently if I could reasonably support this projects any longer, - you can guess my answer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- What I really need to do is just stop editing and walk away frankly. Its more and more clear to me that this place is going into the toilet and no one really cares. They definately don't care what I say anymore. I've shouted it till I'm blue in the face (maybe I should change my user name to Pappa Smurf....THIS IS WIKIPEDIA!) I mean Smurf Village...I mean Sparta...I'm so confused. :-)Kumioko (talk) 22:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but you need to get back on the front foot and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Eric Corbett 22:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- I must be doing ok then cause I've been blocked several times...I think I am about due for a ban soon.:-) Kumioko (talk) 22:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- If you haven't been blocked then you're just not trying hard enough. Eric Corbett 22:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
RfA and editor retention research
Hi Kumioko. Sorry that the community has been biting you lately. I do want to say that there are many people that do appreciate that you're still here. I just stopped by to mention there's some research going on regarding RfA and editor retention over at meta:Research:Ideas/Requests for adminship and the retention of long term editors and I thought you might be interested. In reading the talk page there, it seems like they are looking to get some more data on the issue. Maybe check it out if you have the time. Things are a lot more friendly over there. Best. 64.40.54.79 (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link. I'm not holding out hope anything will come out of that. Plans to reform that joke of a process have been tried and failed for years. I' not going to waste my time getting involved in another one of those. But I'll keep my eyes open and see what happens. Kumioko (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. 64.40.54.79 (talk) 05:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
The Wikipedia Library Survey
As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Comments as an IP
Hi Kumioko. I've been catching up on various discussions and I noticed several where you (or someone I think was you) left comments as an IP. I recognised you as the writing style and what you have to say is familiar (you have said some of the same things many times before), but it can be difficult to follow such discussions without knowing who is who. Ideally you would log in, but I know you don't always feel like doing that. Would you at least be able to add your name if you are leaving comments as an IP? That would help keep track of the discussions and who is saying what. It would also help make your track record in such discussions clearer as well. Carcharoth (talk) 00:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)