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I notice that you've repeatedly made assertions about my motives on discussion pages related to Sarah Palin. Others have noticed this too. While it should be unnecessary, let me remind you that the topic is under article probation, and that a failure to assume good faith is grounds for a topic ban. Please stop commenting on my behavior in in appropriate locations such as article talk pages. If you have a problem with my editing then my user page, ANI, or other dispute resolution procedures should be used instead. I assure you that I am editing with good faith. Will Bebacktalk 12:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will, when you make spurious accusations and attacks on me, badger me, or otherwise insult me, it renders agf rather superfluous, as that only applies so long as one can plausibly presume good intentions. You have done so repeatedly, and only recently on any Sarah Palin articles. I don't know why you don't like me, I have no idea why you continually belittle, insult, and attack me, but its low level enough that I can ignore it for the most part. Your low-level harassment and clear dislike of me cannot possibly be grounds for a ban of me on articles which I do not edit. Your attempt to twist the fact that your continued ill-will towards me has resulted in my calling you on it into wiki-lawyering me out of your way, however, is reprehensible. I suggest if you have an actual grievance with me you name it and discuss it with an intent to resolve differences and mend fences, and stop trying to escalate your inexplicable (to me) dislike of me. KillerChihuahua?!? 12:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have never intentionally attacked, belittled, or insulted you. In fact, I've given you little thought until quite recently. If you really bleive that I have shown you disrespect then I invite you to present the evidence. Otherwise I request that you desist in making empty allegations. I've had no personal issue with you in the past, but you seem to be picking a fight now. Will Bebacktalk 12:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will, I fully accept that you're doing it unintentionally, but starting a DrV with an unfounded and ill-conceived accusation that an admin maintaining article probation is "involved" does show disrespect. Had you shown good faith and set out the DrV on its merits without these accusations, I'm sure that the issue would have been resolved amicably. Now suggesting that any attempt to set the record straight is "picking a fight" shows the same unintentional attitude, please stop. . dave souza, talk 15:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
KC is involved in the topic, in a role she calls "enforcer". I never before seen the word "involved" characterized as a personal attack or an insult. It certainly wasn't meant as one. I apologize for hurting KC's feeling by using the term, though I think that Truman's line applies: "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen". Will Bebacktalk 19:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now, this is getting transparent. You know that enforcing probation is not the same as involved. You also have been accusing me of being "involved" since Apr 3 at least, in an apparent attempt to discredit me. You continue trumpeting this, implying I am not only biased but abusing my position, and then you are surprised when I act displeased with this character assassination. How can this possibly make sense to you? You accuse me of wrongdoing, insult me, and then complain when I call you on it. Now you are feigning innocence as well as pretending it was the use of the word "enforcer" which led you to that conclusion. As far as the kitchen is concerned, "standing the heat" means being able to deal with trolls, vandals, and disagreements, and so on - not lying down and letting gross misrepresentations of me or my character go unchallenged. I assure you, I can take the heat. I just don't see why you are trying to flame me. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The probation solely covers editor behavior, so if you're making decisions about content then those aren't based on the probation. I don't see how anything in the probation concerns the creation of the Levi Johnston article, for example. Can you point to the part of the probation notice that you think covers it? Also, do you think probation applies to every editor, or are you excluded from having to AGF, as the probation specifically requires? Will Bebacktalk 19:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please strike your Loaded question "are you excluded from having to AGF, as the probation specifically requires?" KillerChihuahua?!? 19:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to me that you are not assuming good faith. If probation and its AGF requirement apply to you then I'd ask you to please comply with it. Will Bebacktalk 20:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
AGF applies to everyone. I am not violating any probation or policy, and therefore have no need to "please comply" as I am already doing so. as you are now implying (yet another example of you attacking me.) Are you going to strike your leading question, or not? If WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA apply to you, then strike it. KillerChihuahua?!? 20:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it appears to me that you are not assuming good faith in my case, and that you are making assertions about my behavior and motivations that are not borne out by any evidence. If we both agree that AGF applies to you then please comply with it. I'd be happy to strike the entire discussion if we can arrive at that point. Will Bebacktalk 20:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have already stated AGF applies to everyone. KillerChihuahua?!? 20:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then please extend it to me, and stop making unfounded accusations about me. Will Bebacktalk 20:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Allow me to rephrase my last concern: Will, perhaps you are unaware of how your post could be read, but telling me to "please comply" contains within it the presumption that I am not complying. This is tantamount to an accusation of me; that I am not following policy. I know you did not mean to imply that, so I will appreciate you striking that and being more careful in the future. Thanks! KillerChihuahua?!? 20:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let me make it clearer. I do not believe that you are complying with WP:AGF, due to your numerous unfounded accusatoin that I have posted personal attacks against you. I don't care about the past but I'm asking that, going forward, you please extend AGF to me and stop making these allegations. Will Bebacktalk 20:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, are you saying that you disagree that your injunction to please comply can be read to insinuate that I am not complying? Please clarify. KillerChihuahua?!? 21:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I wrote at the top of this thread, please assume good faith on my part and please stop making unfounded accusations that I am posting " trolling and baseless attacks", that I "continually belittle, insult, and attack" you, etc. etc. If this still isn't clear I'll try to engage other editors to clarify it. Will Bebacktalk 23:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Allow me to repeat my question: are you saying that you disagree that your injunction to please comply can be read to insinuate that I am not complying? Please clarify. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I answered your question already: "Let me make it clearer. I do not believe that you are complying with WP:AGF, due to your numerous unfounded accusations that I have posted personal attacks against you. " In case that isn't clear enough, you are not complying with AGF when you make unfounded acusation of bad faith on my part. All I'm asking you to do is stop. Will Bebacktalk 19:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are asking me to stop something I disagree that I have ever done. When you make spurious accusations and attacks on me, badger me, or otherwise insult me, it renders agf rather superfluous, as that only applies so long as one can plausibly presume good intentions. You may either cease, or I will continue to complain when you do so. Doing such is no failure of AGF on my part, but rather a failure of civility on yours. I am now done with this subject. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have never made any personal attacks against you. When I've asked you to support your statements to that effect you've ignored the question. I have never been uncivil towards you.If you think differently then supply the evidence. Making unfounded accusations is itself a violaiton of WP:CIVIL. I'm happy to let this drop so long as there's no recurrence. Fare thee well. Will Bebacktalk 20:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, we disagree but are dropping this and burying the hatchet, yes? Good idea. There will certainly be no recurrance if you remain civil and AGF in your comments to and about me, so it is entirely up to you.
Question: Please dont' take this the wrong way, but "fare thee well"? Are you quoting something in particular, or just using an archaic phrase (for effect?) ? KillerChihuahua?!? 22:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Paranoid and unhinged
Seriously. You need to cool it with your breathless overreactions and indignation. A very quick peek through your edit history reveals that you have trouble handling disagreements without chalking up everything to a personal attack, harrassment, etc. It's clear you have a few allies in the community, but I can assure you that to the rest of us, you only make yourself look paranoid and unhinged. — Bdb484 (talk) 14:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
KC knows I am perfectly willing to disagree with her, and do so quite civilly. On the other hand, I would agree were she to find "paranoid and unhinged" to be less than civil even if you disagree with her. Collect (talk) 14:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know who is being describes as "paranoid and unhinged", but it's a clear personal attack and my advice to Bdb484 is to strike it immediately. . . dave souza, talk 15:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
that would be Bdb484 attacking me again, who has escalated from criticism[1][2] to outright attacks and harassment, which I have already noted[3], so he was aware he was harassing me before he came here to call me "paranoid and unhinged". He's been having fun complaining I'm failing to AGF every time I note an inappropriate post, uncivil comment, or personal attack.[4] Ironically enough, most of his links involve my disputing Will's character attacks and mischaracterizations of my position(s). KillerChihuahua?!? 15:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked you to either document these supposed character attacks, or to stop making the accusation. This is a recurring example of failure to assume good faith, and repeated accusations can be a form of harassment or even a personal attack. If you have a problem with me please take it to dispute resolution. Will Bebacktalk 19:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First step in dispute resolution is to attempt to resolve with the other editor. This is dispute resolution, Will. I thought you knew that, at least. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I came here, to resolve this. But you're not even answering my basic question, which is where have I insulted you? Will Bebacktalk 20:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've ansswered it multiple times. If you cannot comprehend me, perhaps you missed this, which explains at least one rude insult on your part. Your predilection to insult me and then play the wronged party when I call you on it is disingenuous at best. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you respond
If you respond, it responds. This does not help anyone. The only way to stop it is to not respond. Hipocrite (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I recently received almost identical comments via email. thanks, sometimes I am a slow learner (hopeless optimist?) It just seems so rude to leave such blatant misunderstandings uncorrected. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback
Unfortunately, my RFA was closed today with a final tally of 75½/38/10. Though it didn't succeed, I wanted to thank you for your participation in it. I intend to review the support, oppose, and neutral !votes and see what I can do to address those concerns. Special thanks go to Schmidt,MICHAEL Q., TomStar81, and henrik for their co-nominations and support. — BQZip01 —talk 20:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Eh.... what?
You appear to have left a message on my Talkpage but a) I can't find you in the page's history and b) I have no idea what you're talking about. Have the Wikipedia servers mangled things? Yintaɳ 21:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, BQZ's spammessage was formatted oddly, I think he's fixed it now (I hope he has.) KillerChihuahua?!? 21:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, it's gone now. That had me seriously puzzled for a moment. Yintaɳ 21:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There's still something weird with this thing. When I tried to delete it from my Talk, I actually deleted BQZip's template. Try this: click the edit link on the "Thank you for the feedback" line above. Then, in edit-mode, just click 'cancel'. See where you end up. Yintaɳ 23:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He didn't subst his template. That's why. Subst on your talk page and it will fix all. KillerChihuahua?!? 23:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Carefully entering the world of WP:SUBST. And thanks for the prinksbriks drinks[5]! Yintaɳ 23:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anytime! Remember Wikipedia is world-wide, so its always happy hour! KillerChihuahua?!? 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I could not fail to disagree with you less! Cheers. Yintaɳ 23:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Was error, which is why I removed it. It was meant to go on another page. KillerChihuahua?!? 22:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Was YOUR error actually, please subst your "User:BQZip01/RfA Oppose & Neutral". KillerChihuahua?!? 23:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment on AN/I
Since you were the only uninvolved admin to comment in the Woogie10w/Molobo thread saying you have not reviewed the case yet, may I ask you to review the diffs and comment again? You said that it is alright to call a bully a bully, and I certainly agree with you. But after reviewing my behaviour, do you think that I really am a "bully" and "POV pusher", "whitewashing Nazi crimes", and "the Jews and Poles on wikipedia" must "stand up and fight" to "defend Poland" against "that German"? Do you really believe it is alright to canvass users who "do react when hearing German language on the street" to do so? I cannot believe that this is something a wikipedia contributor has to endure, but except for you, not one uninvolved admin has commented so far. Please take your time and review my edits on the Holocaust article and the respective talk page to get an idea if the repeated attacks against me are in any way justified. I'd really appreciate some input, thank you. Skäpperöd (talk) 07:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I will look into this, but please do not hold your breath for an immediate response. This looks very convoluted and sticky, and I want to ensure I don't get half a picture. I suggest that meanwhile, you take the stance of ignoring any and all personal comments and attacks, while logging them (I suggest offline, on a text file, with a link to the dif! - very important, that) and make certain your every post discusses the content, not the contributor. If another editor calls you Hitler, or a bully, or the Antichrist, you ignore it, but log it - ok? KillerChihuahua?!? 13:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
KillerChihuahua has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, so I've officially declared today as KillerChihuahua's Day! For being such a humorous and respectable administrator, enjoy being the star of the day, dear KillerChihuahua!
Thanks for the sarcasm. Please note, I am not "new" to wikipedia, and see WP:Regulars. I know what an attack is, and I know I was attacking. I also apologized, almost immediatly after, at ANI. Drew Smith What I've done 14:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That was not sarcasm, that was a warning. If you are not new, then you know better. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Really? I find it hard to believe you didn't post that with a bit of malice in your intentions.Drew Smith What I've done 15:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I assure you, I have no malice towards you or any other editor here. My interest is only in warning you that if you continue to attack other editors, you may be blocked. I suggest you attempt to AGF a little more. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Right back at youDrew Smith What I've done 15:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ark-hive
I just love repeating that lame joke. Anyway, yes, there were several editors doing stuff all at the same time, and I hadn't realized the complainant had un-archived it, which is kind of bad form, but it's also bad form to close a discussion too soon. However, it's clear enough to me that the complainant is wasting his time, to put it charitably. I advised him to find another topic to edit. We'll see if he takes that good advice. 0:) Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? carrots 15:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, my thoughts precisely when I Ark-hived it to begin with, and while I agree he's wasting time and should move on, I certainly wasn't going to edit war over it. Hopefully the thread will now simply die of dis-use. :-) Thanks for your attempt to help, and your courtesy! (the lame joke, now...) KillerChihuahua?!? 15:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes my attempts to help are not met with universal approval. But I still try. :) Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc? carrots 16:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Im discussing it here, where I know you will see it.
Why shouldn't I split the discussions? you did it on my page.
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Wikietiuette says it is "where users can report impolite, uncivil or other difficult communications with editors". It says nothing about outright attacks.Drew Smith What I've done 15:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The latter are a subset of the former. –xenotalk 16:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would you be interested in joining this project? We need more editors who share a burden for rescuing promising editors who have gotten into serious trouble because of behavioral issues. IF (a fundamental condition!) they are interested in reforming and adapting to our standards of conduct, and are also willing to abide by our policies and guidelines, rather than constantly subverting them, we can offer to help them return to Wikipedia as constructive editors. Right now many if not most users who have been banned are still active here, but they are here as socks or anonymous IPs who may or may not be constructive. We should offer them a proper way to return. If you think this is a good idea, please join us. --CrohnieGalTalk 11:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
request to email deleted page
KillerChihuahua, can you please email me the page, User:Stmrlbs/SB_BC_History, that you deleted? This was intended to be a personal page, with notes on an ongoing content dispute and the past Wikipedia mediation about this dispute. Thanks.
--stmrlbs|talk 22:08, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I thought as much, which is why I offered to email it to you. Its on its way. KillerChihuahua?!? 22:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I just got it. --stmrlbs|talk 01:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do have to admit, he shows initiative. He doesn't just want you punished for your abuse, he seems quite unaware of how absurd are his demands that the article be immediately featured and placed on the front page. I don't recall that ever happening when I deleted something. Usually, I'm simply Wrong, often Abusive, but never so misguided as to have deleted the Best Article On Wikipedia. I wonder if I should give you a barnstar for this? It seems noteworthy. KillerChihuahua?!? 14:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And why was I not informed? I came back to cite it, and I just saw it was deleted. KMFDM FAN (talk) 23:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You having "heard the term" is original research. Had you bothered to put in sources, I would possibly not have speedied the page. The sources you list here, however, fail WP:RS. Your article is about a slang term of no significance with no reliable sources. KillerChihuahua?!? 14:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your advice was to keep silent and log, and I did. Actually, a log is not really needed, a look at Special:Contributions/Woogie10w is sufficient. Woogie continued to make no secret of his anti-German prejudice and devoted most of his activity to stalking and canvassing against me. I did not respond to anything Woogie10w said. He focusses
on a SPI I filed against an account that turned out to be almost certainly operated by the same user who operates the user:Molobo account, Woogie10w's new-won friend from the Holocaust-RfC that triggered his obsession with me (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Molobo)
Everywhere he goes he keeps on spreading that I want to somehow whitewash Nazi crimes, the same issue that led to the AN/I-thread. The utmost I can do here to AGF is that his campaign against me is not only based on prejudice, but also on a misconception of my edits (eg at the place of our first interaction, the Holocaust article, I wrote the sections Kristallnacht, and New methods of mass murder and Resettlement and deportation to colonies and reservations; and the article Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany is also largely written by me, except for the sections based on Communist-era sources (and I still strongly object using such sources unattributed to base half an article on them, which is one part of the dispute I have there, the other part was that I objected the removal of in-text attribution to all other sources also when used to cite estimated figures in fields scholary estimates differ significantly and to not use tabloid style but encyclopedic language).
Recent diffs to illustrate the above:
Here he boosts that his father had not taken (German) prisoners during WWII [6]
Here he is assuring Piotrus, whom he regards my "enemy", that he will come out and fight when needed: [7][8][9][10][11]. I must ammend that his regarding Piotrus my enemy is false - though Piotrus and me sometimes disagree, sometimes even strongly primarily in respect to Molobo's edits, we have also at numerous times collaborated very well. And in case you wonder what "interest I showed in J. Demjanjuk's welfare" - I added this line to the article and had a short interaction with someone on talk [12]
Here he enables his e-mail and notifies Molobo and Piotrus (noone else) about it, especially the message directed at Piotrus is undisguised canvassing [13][14]. Actually, it was Molobo's idea to get the discussion off-wiki, as he urged Woogie10w three times to enable e-mail [15] (sections "Hi" (both of them), section "Discussions")
Here he is at the EA board not trying to get editor assistance, but to discredit and canvass against me [16]
Last night, Woogie10w deleted some of his comments from threaded discussions where he had he stalked me before [18][19][20] - one can only speculate if this is already the result of an off-wiki advise to avoid obvious stalking.
I think prejudice, canvassing and battlefield mentality are obvious and in urgent need of administrator attention. You have signaled an interest to have a look, and you have experience in mediation - what do you propose how to proceed? Skäpperöd (talk) 09:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since I was mentioned, I feel that I must comment. This whole argument is very depressing. As a young man forty years ago I knew Poles and Jews who survived the Nazi horror. I have zero tolerance for those who use sophistry to trivialize and whitewash Nazi crimes. With that said, I am assuming good faith and ask that the young people here take the time to become familiar with the history Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles. [21] I have no bad feelings toward Germans, I am in fact a German-American. I hold no ill will toward anyone on Wikipedia, I have only the wish to work together as a team to improve Wikipedia. I am busy in the real world and have no time or patience to engage in petty disputes, but I will work to improve Wikipedia--Woogie10w (talk) 22:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Take W.'s appearance here, his edit summary and above statement ("I have zero tolerance for those who use sophistry to trivialize and whitewash Nazi crimes") as an illustration for the contineous stalking and bashing outlined above. And then he says he is AGF and too busy to engage in petty disputes? If that was true, there would be no complaint. Skäpperöd (talk) 05:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is constantly changing, you cannot control its content. What you see on a page today will be different a year from now. Your edits to an article do not finalize it, others have the right to edit, you cannot ban those you disagree with you.--Woogie10w (talk) 13:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lockdown
dude i think you made a mistake when you locked with chiropractic article... i clicked on the lock and it says that semi-protection is only supposed to be used in certain cases such as when the article is subject to edit warring only from ip users and new users which wasnt the case so you should either unlock it or completely lock it because thats what the policy says 70.71.22.45 (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Email
Just wanting some advice. I sent you an email. Computerjoe's talk 20:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It would have been better had you not insulted me, then edit warred. You are not making friends and influencing people here. You are making it clear you have no respect for the system you are requesting assistance of. I asked you to provide difs and explain an assertion you made. Please note that at the top of the page in the big pink box are the instructions:
Please be aware that as a user requesting arbitration enforcement, it is your responsibility to supply all information required for administrators to determine whether enforcement is required, as described in the instructions. Your request may otherwise be declined without further action.
You not only declined to answer my questions, I asked one question 3 times and one twice, and your response was "You may ask questions, doesn't mean I have to address them".[22] You declined your responsibility; I declined the request. KillerChihuahua?!? 17:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine, It was going to arbcom anyway. My only quam is that you failed to act on what was clear, You had enough evidence to block and chose not too. If nothing else Arbcom will be wondering why you didnt block for the abusive edit summaries that were clear and a one sided action by DG. «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l» (talk) 17:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to let you know that a second request for DRV on your close of this case has been requested by S_Marshall at the link above. Your input is of course welcome. XymmaxSo let it be writtenSo let it be done 22:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Curiouser, Again
I am aware of the section, and I am rather convinced you are incorrect. I do want to understand your point of view, and take steps to either adapt my behavior or to correct your misapprehension of it - maybe even both. I have to say, I am completely unaware of how I was "lying" and "unethical". You can either discuss the matter here or on my page. - Arcayne(cast a spell) 00:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but as I said, I think you are mistaken. I remain unclear how I am a "liar" and "unethical". - Arcayne(cast a spell) 11:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you are not a liar, your are an equivocator virtuoso. I find that behavior unethical. Seriously, re-read the posts from your talk page history, and ask me a specific question. I see no point in repeating myself. KillerChihuahua?!? 11:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So, let me see if I understand you correctly: you get to call me a liar and unethical, but you aren't willing to back it up, except to point to an old talk page discussion where you jumped off the Train of Reason? I am asking for you to clarify your character assassination, as I haven't the foggiest of what you are speaking of; I wouldn't have asked if I knew what you were talking about, and yes - I read our interaction, twice now. Are you saying that you do not want to help me understand you? . - Arcayne(cast a spell) 15:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It sure sounds like that. I asked you a question, and you are replying with non-answers. Want to try something a bit more involved? - Arcayne(cast a spell) 19:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rachel Corrie
Hi KillerChihuahua, since it looks like you weren't even consulted before the most recent DRV was filed (and I think we can all agree on what a disaster of sockpuppetry and bad-faith that was!), I was hoping a more direct (and rational) approach might get you to reconsider your closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Public reactions to death of Rachel Corrie. A little history here: I became involved in this because I closed the first DRV which endorsed MBisanz's closure of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Artistic_Tributes_to_Rachel_Corrie. The creator of that article had already asked MBisanz to reconsider, and MBisanz advised him to try and create a new, more balanced article that would overcome the NPOV concerns raised in the first Afd. After I closed the first DRV as "endorse", the creator came to me to protest my closure (see User_talk:Aervanath/Archive_9#2_different_cases_treated_differently), where I gave him the same advice. I also noted that three of the editors in the first Afd had suggested the same thing. After reviewing the new article, I thought it was different enough that it addressed the concerns of the first Afd, and therefore that it would not qualify for summary deletion. However, you closed the new Afd as superfluous based on the outcome of the old one. I don't agree with that, since I feel that the two articles were substantially different enough that the outcome of the first Afd wouldn't apply to the second. Would you object to restoring the Public reactions to death of Rachel Corrie and allowing a full-length Afd to take place?--Aervanath (talk) 03:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Here is an idea: the bulk of the article is the list of songs. Have you considered a list for the songs? The Afd did close as merge; there is very little other content, and that could easily be merged (where it is not already a duplicate of what is in the primary article.) What do you think of that solution? KillerChihuahua?!? 09:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can I nudge you to, as discretely and as dramaless as possible, nip this in the bud? If not, can you quietly pass this to another admin who can quash this before it gets too ugly? --64.85.220.164 (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC) (I'm the same dynamic IP from the AN/I)[reply]
Hello...
Hi KillerChihuahua...
I needed some help regarding the Artcle of Prithviraj Chauhan. The editors there have developed a consensus and we have solved the problem regarding the story of his death. But some UNREGISTERED users keeps vandalizing the article and remove the referenced text... In fact I suspect its the same guy, who is may be using a Net Cafe or a Public PC to vandalize the topic from different IP addresses... How can we protect the article since we cannot carry out the entire process of warning every IP he uses thrice... What is the procedure of securing the article such that only Registered users can edit it so we know who is vandalizing the article and we can report or warn the user... Thankyou....Adil your (talk) 18:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly will respect your judgment that this needs more input (though I have closed AFDs with 2 keeps before without any problems) but I should point out that the discussion had run for a full listing period of 7 days plus 3 hours. Your edit summery implied that I had closed it early. The reason why I closed it was because I often revisit the discussions I relist to see if the relist has generated enough additional comments to close. I felt that the 2 keep comments were sufficient.
BTW I have had closes reverted before but this is the first time by an "administrator" who IMHO should be the only ones reverting AFD closes. (though I will concede that a neutral non-admin could reopen a completely bass ackwards close under WP:IAR --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did see that you relisted, along with a lot of other articles, which is appreciated. However, once relisted, you closed after the second view was posted - less than 24hr after relisting. I do think the article will eventually be a keep. I do think relisting after receiving only one person's input was correct. I do not think closing immediately after getting a second view was the best decision. Back in the dark ages (a couple of years ago) it used to be standard that when relisted, the Afd ran for another full seven days, unless it became a clear case of SNOW. It appears common practice has changed, and that's fine, but two views is still a rather pathetic show of hands. Had I seen your earlier closes after only two views I would have reverted them as well. One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua?!? 10:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
True, lots of things have changed since the "dark ages". On relisting, the current guideline at WP:DELPRO says it may be subject to being closed once consensus can be determined, without necessarily waiting a further seven days.. That being said, one or two !votes would usually not constitute a "consensus" but it depends on the strength of the !votes. I've relisted a few debates that had no "deletes" and 3 or 4 "keeps" of the WP:ILIKEIT caliber and/or had SPAs. In the AFD in question, I felt that "Drawn Some" (who !votes "delete" more often then not) made a very good argument for inclusion but I didn't feel comfortable closing it after one !vote. Granted that's not the kind of judgment a non admin closer should be making so let's see what happens. Most debates seem to get their !votes within a day of the nomination or relist. That's why I like to revisit the debates I relist. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please let me why u did delete my page
hi,
I have listen wikipedia is the free Encylopedia where anyone can introduce his company and so on... here we can see a lot of persons profile exists... please let me why my page has been deleted please mail me at majmaliqbal (at) gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajmal Iqbal (talk • contribs) 03:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a host for your resume or curriculum vitae. Please see WP:BIO for why your article was speedy deleted, and and WP:COI for why you should not write about yourself. KillerChihuahua?!? 10:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]