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Hi, can you please help me with an image. I am a bit confused what will be the copyright tag for [[:Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg]]. Will [[:Template:Non-free magazine cover]] be more appropriate? '''[[User:Otolemur crassicaudatus|<font color="002bb8">Otolemur crassicaudatus</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Otolemur crassicaudatus|talk]]) 20:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:Also can you understand who will be the copyrightholder of [http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/313/7070/1450/F14 this] image? '''[[User:Otolemur crassicaudatus|<font color="002bb8">Otolemur crassicaudatus</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Otolemur crassicaudatus|talk]]) 20:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
==On [[Unruled Paper (film)]]==
Dear Khoikhoi, please note that I will not tolerate that [[User:AzureFury]], who in my opinion is an adventurer seeking conflict with me, to use my text to parade his ignorance; as the final messages of this user show (on the talk page of the entry at issue), this person is trying to take the entry as hostage with the aim of forcing his ill will through. If he adds a single word into my text, I will sue Wikipedia for exposing my work; as far as the above-mentioned entry is concerned, I will not grant that Wikipedia exposes my text if [[User:AzureFury]] inserts even a single word into my original text (he is naturally free to write the entire entry by his own). In order to avoid repeating myself, I refer you to the talk page of the above-mentioned entry as well as the messages that I have just placed here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stifle] (please see the bottom of the page) and here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alansohn#On_Unruled_Paper_.28film.29]. For completeness (I have already written this to [[User:Stifle]]), my Wikipedia article has been apparently good enough that on the basis of it last week the editor of a prestigious film magazine in Canada commissioned me to write an extensive article on ''Unruled Paper'' (he has asked me that my commissioned article be at least twice as extensive as my Wikepedia article). Kind regards, [[User:BehnamFarid|--BF 03:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)]].
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Muslim Scientist sounds wrong!
When we talk about Galileo we don't say he was a Christian scientist! All great scientists are known by their nationality not by their religion. Calling Ibn al-Haytham a "Muslim Scientist" makes him sound inferior. As if he is not a great scientist...he is a "Muslim scientist"... Do you see my point?
MA - 20 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.26.177.2 (talk) 05:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I Put years of effort into making this! And YOU delet it!
I'm Joe Hamilton, I was wondering why you deleted my page Mike Kerr? I took a long time interviewing people, researching and perfecting that article. It's OK if you don't put it back on here, but I would like to have the article so I can keep it for personal records. SO PLEASE re-consider re-posting my article or simply sending it back to me so I can keep it in a file. It took a long time to get all the info in with I have gotten.
Thankyou, Joe Hamilton —Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeHamiltonIs111 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Nezami
Stylistic edition? Would be very very glad and grateful Sfrandzi (talk) 19:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Tafresh - small town in 65 km. from Qom, it is possible to tell suburb of Qom and consequently, how much I can believe - in sources they are interchangeable: one write "Tafresh", others "Qom" though actually the text to which refer, speaks about Tafresh, and not itself Tafresh, but village about it. But Qom it much better known, and, probably, therefore in most cases prefer to name it. It seems, medieval biographer of Nezami Lutf Ali Bey names Qom, but it is not considered, how the contradiction and the special version in comparison with version of Tafresh. On the second item. Bertels - the unique Soviet reference. Other Russian-speaking references - postSoviet. In any case Evgenij Bertels - the scientist of a world scale [1] [2], and regarding of the message of the facts (and I use of he only for this purpose) he is so reliable, as any large scientist. Sfrandzi (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- "The tradition names two Persian-speaking... " and " Academics have named... " In this phrase I meant medieval tradition, i.e. primary sources, i.e. that makes factual basis of a question. And further described is already the attitude to inconsistent messages of tradition of a modern science, "academics". Sfrandzi (talk) 11:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Gulmammad
Hi Khoikhoi. Since you are familiar with the issue, you may wish to respond here. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 04:36, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi agin
Please would you have a look at here. This is my life in Wikipedia. I cannot work on articles that I created because Poco is around. I won't mind if you block me. Thanks. Gülməmməd Talk 04:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Demographics of Azerbaijan
Good of you to have caught the vandalism with the Kurds and the Udins (also the "Ahiska" Tukrs?). Much appreciated. Could you please also verify (or revert) the change of spelling from Sakhurs to Tsakhurs on 26 May 2008 (institutional IP). Thanks. --Zlerman (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Javad Qajar
Thanks for reminding. Sorrowfully I did not notice any relable source for those part of the Javad Khan article before being added some points. First of all you have to source the primary version and then I shall insert the required sources there . The Azerbaijani version of the Wikipedia is full of fabrications made for the sake of pseudopatriotism. Please do not interfere with English version and let it to be maintained out of falsification. Personally learn Iranian history of Qajar period. At the time while Javad khan Qajar ruled his government in Ganja, whole Arran (or Aran-zamin) was part of Iran till 1828. As clear, the collapce of Ganja Khanate took place before the Turkmenchay Treaty. And to direct to the logics, Azerbaijan is a name for Arran land was innovated by Mammad Amin Rasulzadeh after the independency from Russian Empire in 1918. Please notice the difference. Most of the English speaking scholars quite well informed and they rarely search for the Wikipedian knowledge. And also the common europians rare interested in such of personalities as Javad Qajar. He is widely recognized by easterners themselves and we should not deceive them. Javad Khane`s patrimonial properties are still maintained in Khoy,Iran. To cut the subject short, please first source the compounds that you find to be true. Later on apply me and I shall see what can I do. All the best.--Faikpro (talk) 14:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Please look into a restricted editor's recent activity
Hi. I noticed your comment at User talk:Pocopocopocopoco regarding Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2. The user has recently nominated a number of articles for speedy deletion, and I'm trying to assume good faith, but his actions may have been inappropriate. Please look at this and the page history here, then this. He nominated several others as well, though they were mainly misspellings. - Richard Cavell (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- I have responded at Richardcavell's talk page. Be assured that the nomination for speedy deletion was in good faith as I thought it was a no brainer. If Richardcavell feels that the nomination for speedy deletion was inappropriate I will take it to redirects for discussion instead. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 23:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Stalkin
I'd like to bring to your attention that User:VartanM has been stalking me around. I have always hoped it would stop but his recent comment on my comment here shows this is not going to end and becoming a serious problem. I therefore asked a help via {{help me}} template and Ten Pound Hammer recommended me to ask here. But in WP:AN seems no-one wants to help me. This is really very frustrating and I don't see any good environment around me to stay here. Please have a look at here by putting yourself in my place then advise me what to do. Thank you. Gülməmməd Talk 02:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
KhoiKhoi is a Kurd
This user clearly says that He is interested on articles about Kurds. Actually, this is a part of PKK plan to create sick-minded history and fake map for virtual KURDISTAN!!!!. PKK is a terrorist kurdish invader group operating in Turkey and Iranian (south) Azerbaijan,
This user's responsibility is to help hiding facts. Kurds themselves know that they are migrated to west part of south Azerbaijan and are minority there. They know that there tones of ancient maps showing borders of Atropatane (Azerbaijan). But they don't care, because they have this hypothesis: if a kurd one day sleep in a non-kurdish city anywhere in the world, that city is kudish city and we should consider it inside silly map of Fake Kurdistan!! You will see very soon they will say Finland and Sweden are a part of Kurdistan, as there are more than 10,000 kurds there.
Khoikhoi, you and other kurds can advertise some silly maps of a fake land called kurdistan and you can million times edit wikipedia page of west azerbaijan of Iran, but question is can you obtain Azeri lands in reality? I am sure you can't. you are just 5-6 million in iran, but azeris are above 30 million referring to Iranian government reports. you think american and european or even persians will help you?? i say a little,but not too much. Because Turkey is very important for them and they don't want very angry turkey. Persians in Iran definetlay want to support you, but they know Azeris will be mad of this and will destroy entire iran, as they are 40-50% of Iran and they control army and economy in Tehran.
I don't say this story to you as i am sure you are brain washed kurd and will not affect you. i am saying this to open mind users. you can call me whatever you like, editing war, POV etc. simply i don't care. if you have power to block one IP i will come with another one. I am very very serious to defend Azerbaijan in virtual war started by Kurds and Persians againt Azeris and some Europeans or Americans are interested to slightly help them, but who cares from Azeris, we are very strong people with very high self confidence.
July 24th, Sehend1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.220.159.9 (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Name of Vlore
Why are you undoing my article of Vlore?? I'm simply removing the greek neme since this language neither is official in Albania nor there is any greek speaking population in the city. Is there any city of Greece which has the Albanian version of the name? Also there is another error with "locally Vlone or Vlona". The city is refered as Vlone or Vlona in Gheg dialect (a dialect spoken in Northern Albania, Kosovo, Fyrom, Montenegro, e.i. in the northern part of the Albanosphere, while the city falls in Tosk (the dialect of South Albania) are and the locals refer to the city simply as Vlore or Vlora. I am from Vlora myself hence I am absolutely sure for what I am saying. Or at least we should clarify the meaning of the term "locally"; it is refered to the inhabitants of Vlora or to overall population of Albania? Asdreni (talk) 09:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- The city was founded by ancient Greeks and has been known by that name for centuries. That alone is sufficient to warrant the inclusion of the Greek name in the lead per WP:NCGN. --Tsourkpk (talk) 17:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of socks, can anything be done about this Asdreni guy and the various IPs? His first talk page comment being "Damn Gayreeks, your names don't belong here!", I can't say I'm too optimistic... 3rdAlcove (talk) 22:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I really don't like getting admins, that aren't already acquainted with a particular issue, involved for a number of reasons. Thanks, anyway. 3rdAlcove (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
If you're willing to get him involved, certainly. I'll stick to "rvv" myself, until he tires out. 3rdAlcove (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
IRC
Yes, it was me, but I noticed the message only after you had left. If you want to talk, I can give you my IM username. bogdan (talk) 23:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
72.44.80.113
IP 72.44.80.113 is probably sock of Sehend1. [3] He started reverting on Iranian provinces. --Larno Man (talk) 18:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Javad Qajar Khoei
I have some old correspondence and other historic documents in Baku. They are on Javad Qajar's birth history. I have applied to get them by email. Sorowfully limited info on Qajar available via Internet. You may edit my info added to Javad Khan article unless I present facts. All the best. --Faikpro (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Asdreni sock
I've blocked indefinitely. If he returns, I'll extend Asdreni's block and semi-protect the page. I don't think this guy's made any sleeper accounts, so CU isn't needed IMO. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 20:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Bitlis
We are at it again. Someone is removing references and referenced paragraphs in Bitlis article. I restored some. I again appealed in the discussion page for more respect to other users. Hope I will not be accused of any wrong doing.--Murat (talk) 04:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
- The "references" and nationalistic POV being removed are backed by extremely questionable sources. The Zaman source, with its commentary from "Törehan Serdar, head of the Association of Victims of World War I Massacres by Armenians", is undoubtedly an attempt at POV pushing. Here is the Sutherland "source"[4] and this is the NY times "source"[5]. Along with the ultra-nationlistic rants, tall armenian tale website is also historically ignorant. From said website;
"The U.S. wasn't at war with Turkey, but America was certainly allied with the Allies. MARCH 6, 1916"....
Sadly, whoever runs that site is so historically ignorant. From the World War I wiki-source; "....Wilson called for war on Germany, which the U.S. Congress declared on 6 April 1917." All this has been discussed on the Bitlis talk[6] page Kansas Bear (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
- This has been discussed at length. References are real. The events are real. Quesionable only from certain POV. This is all that needs to be said. There was no reference to tallarmeniantale, as that is not the source of any of the references I made. That site may contain valid references itself but was not used by this user. If that concerned about POV pushing why not apply the same sensitivity to the rest of the article, I may refer you to an article about Erich Feigl here also! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudavendigar (talk • contribs) 02:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Is it a revert when I restore material (one sentence!) and numerous references that have been outright deleted that I had placed there in the first place? I have not undone enyone's edit but restored the one I had done originally. Should not the same apply to others? There was no revert but restoration of parts removed. Also I always discuss this in the talk page. Results are there for you to see, there is no interest in compromise, though I do not even know what is there left to compromise in one short sentence. By the way, objectors are not even discussing the fact, but just the quality of references. They have recourse to argue this properly, but that was not done. Isn't there any restricition on anyone else to at least refrain from deleting paragraphs and references?--Murat (talk) 14:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
By the way, this one sentence, which was a paragraph originally I had edited in, was removed, not edited, 7 times in the last two months. I had discussed it at length, provided more references and finally reduced it to a single sentence. It was still removed. Since I had placed the references, is it not the obligation of the party removing it to take it to arbitration instead of continuous deletion?--Murat (talk) 14:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Imam images
In case you are around, GreenEcho (the 12-headed sockpuppetteer now known as User:Enforcing Neutrality) has decided to delete all images from Shi'a pages. I would ask you to investigate as it is against consensus and I cannot revert against him. Naahid بنت الغلان Click to talk 02:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Re:
Please discuss at Talk:Twelve Imams before reverting so as to avoid edit warring. En Ne talk 03:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
RfB Thank You spam
Thank you for participating in my RfB! I am very grateful for the confidence of the community shown at my RfB, which passed by a count of 154/7/2 (95.65%). I have read every word of the RfB and taken it all to heart. I truly appreciate everyone's input: supports, opposes, neutrals, and comments. Of course, I plan to conduct my cratship in service of the community. If you have any advice, questions, concerns, or need help, please let me know. Again, Thanks! — Rlevse • Talk • 08:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC) | |
Kind request
Since you're interested ancient history, can you please take a look at Talk:Roman–Persian_Wars#Tags? --CreazySuit (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Question
Hey Khoikhoi. Do you know by chance why is my talk page still listed under "Categories: Temporary Wikipedian userpages"? I thought you might know, since you handled the request. Thanks. (PaC (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC))
Mirgheca
I said he should use footnotes, use better English if possible, and try (per consensus between Bogdan, Dahn and me) not to create articles on villages, instead including information on them in articles on the commune they're part of. I'll have a look there and add in some categories. Biruitorul Talk 01:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not opposed to the idea, but I do wish we had some sources to work off. I'll give it a look later. Biruitorul Talk 14:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
My Discussion Page!
Hi Khoi. I was trying to archive my user's talk page,but apprearently I screwd it up. Can you help with that regard? Many thanks --Kaaveh (talk) 00:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Erich Feigl
Maybe you can help me with this. I come back here after a while only to find out that the article I had put together about Erich Feigl has vanaished. Did I miss something?--Murat (talk) 01:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I really do not get it. There was no courtesy mssg or any warning. This is rather outrageous. An award winning academician, 60 movies, 12 books, in many other language wiki, and gets booted out because of politics. It is a good thing there are guardians here! Do I have a resourse?--Murat (talk) 01:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I meant recourse. I could not find the section on Erich Feigl in that link. Can you point me in the right direction, and is there one responsible editor who would be able help me? I would like to direct my appeal to the party responsible with this. Thanks.--Murat (talk) 04:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Fatih Terim
damn! Fatih Terim is not Kurdish, in the other hand, he is one of the well known members of Turkish ultra-nationalists society.so your edit is little bit funny, and the source is empty.--Huck Diesel (talk) 17:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Ding-dong
A report has been filed at WP:AE related to RFAR:AA2. Early last month, you imposed sanctions for edits at the same article by other editors, so I would like to hear your thoughts. GRBerry 00:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Could you please look at that article? An anon IP repeatedly inserts Laz name of the city, refuses to discuss the issue and began attacking me personally today. Thanks in advance. Alæxis¿question? 15:03, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will. Alæxis¿question? 04:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free media (Image:Avrupali_poster.jpg)
Thanks for uploading Image:Avrupali_poster.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Melesse (talk) 01:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Nyang’oma Kogelo, Alego, etc.
Hi. Alego Constituency and Alego Usonga Constituency are the same thing, but I believe Alego Constituency is the official name. I'm currenly making Wikipedia articles on Kenyan constituencies, and Alego Constituency will be written sometime in the near future.
Some sources say Nyang’oma Kogelo is located within Bondo district, but majority seem to "favour" Siaya District. Since the ECK website (www.eck.or.ke) is currently down, the pollingcentres.pdf file is not accessible at the moment, but it states that Nyang'ma Kogelo primary school is located within Siaya District.
This map of Siaya District recognises a villlage called Nyang'oma that is located just outside Bondo District. I'm not sure whether this Nyang'oma refers to Nyang’oma Kogelo. However, its possible location near the border of these two districts may contribute to s the confusion on which district the village belongs to. And in Kenya, administrative boundaries are seldom crystal clear anyway.
When it comes to the external link you gave, it has content copied from wikipedia's Bondo District article... Julius Sahara (talk) 11:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Apparently Kosele is now the capital of Rachuonyo District[7]. It should be noted that most articles on Kenyan districts are somewhat outdated, since scores of more were created in 2007. Julius Sahara (talk) 16:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
QUESTION
QUESTION Does English language WIKIPEDIA ever ban users who are generally uncivil and have an extremely poor grasp of the English language. Many disagreements arise from what English words really mean. Bobanni (talk) 19:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Khoikhoi, yesterday I had some confrontation with the above-mentioned person, the results of which you can peruse here: [8]. Firstly, I fail to understand the motivation of this individual; while she writes very eloquently, her logic rambles from all sides (as her first response here [9] clearly shows, whereas her diction is very rich, her logic is that of a pre-school child). I am not a young person, and my life experience has taught me that in all such paradoxical instances the problem arises from lack of candour on the part of the person who causes the confusion (as Shakespeare says in Hamlet, Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.). I have been very frank with her and told her in no uncertain terms that I have no trust in her motivations. If she were so concerned about Arabs, she could look close at home and undertake something for the Wikipedia entries regarding Palestinians, who are also Arabs (she is a resident of Israel). Her concern about the rights of the Arab population of Iran seems affected to me, given the fact, firstly, that I am not aware of any Wikipedia edits by her on subject matters regarding Palestinians and their human-rights conditions in the occupied territories, and, secondly, from my discussions with her I am absolutely certain that she is tabula rasa as regards history of Iran (she has been editing the entry on Khuzestan Province, in disregard to my repeated protestations [please consult the pertinent edit logs of the latter entry], on the basis of a single report by Amnesty International - as you can verify, I have even suggested to her to consider to open a section in the entry "Iran" concerning human-rights issues in Iran). How such person from 2.5 million articles on Wikipedia has suddenly got attracted to the Arab population of Khuzestan (with no pre-history of such interest on her part to my best knowledge), is just beyond me. For completeness, I consider all human beings as my brothers and sisters, whether Iranians, Israelis, Arabs, etc. With kind regards, --BF 08:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry for my late reply. Regarding your first question, regardless of what we suspect or believe, it is always important to assume good faith. The fact that (s)he does not edit a certain range of topics is not relevant. Users at Wikipedia are permitted to edit whatever topic they want, as long as they do not edit disruptively. The main issue is that we as Wikipedians should not really be discussing other users in this manner. Instead, we should be discussing other user's edits and we are permitted to discuss them in any way we like (as long as we are civil about it). You may have heard this before, but the saying is "Comment on content, not on the contributor." If someone adds information to an article that you dispute, it is important that you discuss the information added, its sources, etc. - but not the editor who added the information. Khoikhoi 03:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Dear Khoikhoi, thank you for your kind response. You may wish to consider this forum shopping: [10]. With kind regards, --BF 04:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC).
An input needed again
Hi, recently you blocked this user for edit warring [11], [12] (48h) and suggested to rethink his editing practice, however after 48h. block expired he starting reverting again the same article [13], It is clear that he did not intend to limit his revert campaigns. Could you please investigate this case additionally, and advise for additional remedies. Thanks, M.K. (talk) 16:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. Will see how events will unfold in upcoming future. Cheers, M.K. (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Questionable block
Khoikhoi, you'll see I responded to your block of G-Dett on her talk page. Thanks, Mackan79 (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878)
Would you care to give your opinion to the removal of the Kinross quote here[14]? When it directly follows the quote by Nostradamus1, then it should be allowable. If chronology is a problem then the entire Kinross quote should be removed. Kansas Bear (talk) 02:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Kansas Bear, is insisting on the addition of a sentence that breaks the chronology of events. The events of the sentence he added are in the following paragraph. Merely changing the style to "According to ..." is not helping. The article uses these sources everywhere why are we switching styles here. There is no controversy as to these events. Kansas bear seems to dislike to have two sentences side by side describing the atrocities that triggered the entire war. Please, try to explain to this user the concept of time. I tried but he is not there. We should not break the chronology of events like this. Shaw and Shaw's sentence is directly tied to the previous one.--Nostradamus1 (talk) 03:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Your changes improved the article. Thank you. (I also responded to your questions in bashi bozouks section of the article's discussion page.)--Nostradamus1 (talk) 05:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- I just noticed the following addition at the top of the April Uprising section. [15]. It seems like Kansas Bear thinks that he can simply place a sentence anywhere in an article as long as it is referenced without consideration to the overall context. It is as if the section is starting on a suspense. This user claims to be a historian and I can't believe that.--Nostradamus1 (talk) 02:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Economy of Romania
Well, Khoikhoi, I've run some searches and it appears quite conclusive that the IP was introducing false numbers into the article. By the way, I've been hauled before AN again on Moldopodo's sockpuppetry accusations - this is getting to be rather tiring. Biruitorul Talk 04:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I am, but having troubles
I'm trying to get on via chatzilla. Apologies! fnord :-p Xavexgoem (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Request for your comment
I'm asking for an input from your expertise regarding the construction of a proposal about a decision making procedure. (Hope how I've phrased this isn't hopelessly cryptic. Anyway, what it is we're contemplating may break new ground, in a way.) Justmeherenow ( ) 09:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your prompt reply; however, what I'd meant, actually, if maybe for ya to give input about how we should form the proposal(?)
Anyway, I hope to get around to looking at this issue you've asked me, sometime, too. :^) Justmeherenow ( ) 09:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Çamlıhemşin
Hello Khoikhoi,
Thanks for your “welcome” on my talk page on 1 August
I understand the Wikipedia policy related to “truth” and “reliable sources”
I wonder whether there is a policy to prohibit submitting info with a reference where info is factually wrong AND the given reference is not supporting the give info.
This seems to be the case , at least partially, in the Article Çamlıhemşin (the language Hemşince)
I will intervene again in the said article but this time put argumentation in the discussion page.
I hope you will have time to see it
Greetings
Cihsai (talk) 10:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thanks for the welcome message
good luck to you. Monkey dog2088 (talk) 23:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Regarding your protection of the Hemshin peoples entry
Khoikkoi, I have placed a detailed clarification of the development of the Hemshin peoples article on the talk page of the entry. In my opinion you have protected a version which was implemented by means of unjustified wholesale reverts (taking the entry back to its version almost a year ago, with no dicsussions or justifications), rather than the version which was actually developed through a completely Wikipedia edit policies complient process (as I detailed in my response on the talk page). These wholesale reverts are implemented by users who had no contributions whatsoever in the entry or the discussion. Such a protection thus punishes edit policies encouraged by wikipedia while rewarding those actually discouraged by it. I hope my detailed response there clarifies the situation and I kindly request that you remove the protection or, if you believe protection is necessary, keep the version dated 9 August 2008 (15.52), which I think is the legitimate one, as the protected version.Omer182 (talk) 18:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Khoikkoi,
- Thank you for your response. I understand your point that the version protected is not your choice, and that the way out is a consensus - possibly through mediation. I also know that page protects usually end up with one side complaining.
- However, I still need to bring the following to your attention.
- The practice or rule to protect the “current” version obviously has its merits ….as well as procedures to force edit warring parties to discussion and consensus, or submit to decision of others (arbitration).Implementing those rules needs possibly considering also other rules and policies of wikipedia and a judgement by the administrator may be required.
- I call upon you to consider such judgement on this occasion for the following reasons:
- 1)You have not protected as editors were arguing and edit warring on content but as a group of users were taking turns, for a duration of a week, simply implementing wholesale reverts without argument.
- 2)The protection has resulted in interruption of a discussion which was taking place between myself and another user. That discussion was, as it should be, focused on a part of the gradually developed version, not on the version that you have protected.
- 3) The protected version is the version of a year ago: the concept of protecting the current version of an ongoing argument is jeopardised here.
- 4) This version of a year ago is inserted by users who have neither presented one single argument in favour of that version nor any objection against the properly developed real "current version". Other wikipedia rules are jeopardised here.
- 5) Those users are several in number but "one" in attitude in concerted action. Furthermore, 3 such reverts just before the protection have been implemented by users who appear for the first time in the context of this entry and just in the action of those reverts. One of them is the user who requested the protection. I guess this issue needs to be looked into as well...
- If those issues are not considered and the protection rules are applied merely formalistically, they just serve the purpose of the users who possibly delibaretely violate wikipedia policies. A protection which amounts to a practical endorsement of such behaviour cannot be in line with wikipedia policies and definitely is not your purpose. This would only encourage the unapprovable approach of "avoid discussion/ wholesale revert blindly/force others to revert back/request protection and get it on the version you like".
- Instead such users should be led to contibute in accordance with wikipedia rules.. Maybe you in your capacity as the administrator who got involved in the article have the means to secure that. Let me repeat…they have not responded to my frequent calls to participate in discussion.
- I kindly ask for your opinion regarding the matter at hand.Omer182 (talk) 18:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Valy Hedjasi
hello and good evening mate, how are you? Hope you doing fine and have a nice time. Plz, do me a favor brother. You know the article Valy Hedjasi? Can you please delete the old version and add this new version translated from the German wikip.?
Valy (Persian ولی), with full name Valy Hedjasi (* 29. May 1986 in Mashhad, Iran) is a Persian singer from Iran.
Valy grew up in Heidelberg, Germany. His family, who are also well-known artists are original from Herat and belong to the ethnic Persians (Tajiks, also called Farsiwans)[1] of Afghanistan. When he was seven years old he often played traditional intruments. Later he became teached in various traditions of Persian and Indo-Persian (indian) music-styles. As his teachers count the young died Persian (Tajik) artists Nasrat Parsa (also from Afghanistan) who teached him well in the classical indo-persian music and Bassam Ayyoub. At present, Valy lives in Hamburg.
Still, before the publication of his first album he achieved by the two singles Bia Tu and Dilamo Shekundi a very high publicity in the three Persian-Speaking countries Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Since the publication of his first album After Love 2007 he is one of the most successful Persian musicians of Afghanistan. Besides the traditional khorassani-style (the Persian-Tajik music traditions) his album also covers traditional iranian music trends for what he was criticized by Pashtun medias (Lmar, ArianaTv and AfghanmellatTV) while he was praised highly by other medias or Persian TV programmes at the mentioned transmitters (ArianaTV). The Album was produced by Kostas Karagiozidis who also produced some albums for the iranian singer Afshin. The Album was published by Avang, the largest iranian record lable.
Shortly after publication of his first album Valy went to his first tour (Bia Tu Tour). It covered five concerts in Canada and the USA. In 2008, a DVD under the name Valy life in America should appearing. Due to the great success he began his second tour World Tour 2008 which extend on four continents and withit the most extensive tour of a Persian artist from Afghanistan. For his success Valy was chosen with the Noor TV Awardss 2008 as a Best artiste of The Year. Valy appeared on the title page of the Persian Sitara magazines in May 2008
Valy is accused by the Persian-Tajik artist Seeta Qasemie (also beeing from Afghanistan) to cover her cooperation up at songs of his album. She claims to be the composer of the song Delbareh Mehraban and that the female voice is not from Persian-Tajik singer Mariam Morid but from her[1].
At an appearance in California in the context of the Persian Nawroz Celebration 2008 Valy announced the foundation the Valy Foundation. It is said The Valy Foundation collected over $2,000,000 in the Spring of 2008.
Like other Persian artists from Iran and central Asia, also Valy´s cooperation with Persian singers and artists from the Persian neighbouring states like Iran and Tajikistan, specially with iranian artists, contributes a contribution to the unfolding of the Persian language and culture and makes the cultural, historical and ethnic relationship between the Persian people of Afghanistan, Iran and Tajikistan. He represents a cultural link of these three Persian countries, specially for teenagers.
Discography
* After Love, octobre 2007 (Persian)
Singles (all songs are in Persian)
* Bia Tu * Delbareh Mehraban * Dilamo Shekundi * Dokhtar e Qataghani (Dokhtar e Kabuli/Herati/Masari...) (original: Ba in Sâz e Qataghan) * Doost Dokhtar * Hame Karat Doroughaki * Khab * Khanoumi * Zim Zim
Plz, check also the grammatic. Thank you very much and have a good time. With best regards.--84.59.106.190 (talk) 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, please see my comment at Talk:Valy. If we're going to say that he's Persian, we're going to need reliable sources stating this. Remember that Valy is a biography of a living person, so we need to be extra careful when we're dealing with ethnicity and/or nationality. So, do you have any reliable sources showing his ethnicity? The sentence "His family, who are also well-known artists are original from Herat and belong to the ethnic Persians (Tajiks, also called Farsiwans) of Afghanistan" for example is completely unsourced. Thanks. Khoikhoi 17:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
This sentence was taken from the site RadioJavanan (Youth Radio), an online informational portal about famous people, their background and other stuff. If you read the article above I had posted you will recognize the first source for his background. In fact, RJ and BBC and Sitara Magazine are the sources for his background information so we do not need really care about his native language which is Persian. Beside that these version is full of informations and sources and much better than the older ones.
With best Regards--88.68.194.26 (talk) 18:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- Fan groups are not really reliable sources. Can you please provide the links to the RJ, BBC, and Sitara references? Keep in mind that the RadioJavanan website cites his official website, where he says, "Many people ask me whether I am Iranian or Afghan and why I sing in different languages. It’s difficult for me to answer such questions, because for me it plays no role where I come from." Khoikhoi 18:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
On his homepage he does not say that also Javanan hadn´t written taht. This sentence was modified by some others who are unrelated with Valy (http://www.arianaspace.com/view_profile.php?member_id=177). This is wrong and made by those who hate Iran and it´s population or their culture or faith. He himself is from Iran, Mashhad where he was born and even a citizen of Iran. His mother is half Iran-Persian while his father is a Tajik (eastern Persian) from Afghanistan, Herat (region between Iran and Afgh). His native language is Persian (what should be the other language???). His songs are all in Persians and he is self a proud Tajik (eastern Iranians call themself sometimes as Tajiks). In Herat they are also called as Farsiwans (Persians). The one, Saeid Agha, who made the site for Valy in Javanan is self a worker of Avangmusic lable, the firma where Valy works for. Javanan Radio self belong to Iranian lables and avang is one of it´s supporter.
With best regards bro--88.69.52.216 (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- Click here, then click on "The Artist" (the link is at the top of the website). You can then see his entire biography, including the sentence that I cited. I know his native language is Persian, you can see at Talk:Valy that I suggested that we say something like "Persian-speaking" or something similar. BTW, you should consider creating an account sometime. Khoikhoi 18:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Ahh, I understand what you mean. The sentence grips his identity if he see himself as Iranian or an Afghan (in that way that the term Afghan, also a sononym for Pashtuns, describe his father´s country, where Tajiks are called by Iranians falsefully as Afghans, since the country´s name is Afghanistan). I can tell you for sure and you can really believe me if i say he is 100% Persian of Tajik (Tajik=Iranian=Persian) descand. If you don´t believe me we can also ask and bring Valy himself here on Wikipedia since a friend of mine from Hamburg is related with him from motherside. We can also use sources like BBC and the Persian sitara magazine. :-) Actually, that Persian is his native language and he is from Herat and presents his native culture it should be proof enough to write him as Tajik, because an Uzbek, or Hazara or a Pashtun or a Turk he can´t be, don´t you think so?
gl--88.69.52.216 (talk) 18:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- You know Valy? If it's not too much trouble, perhaps you could get him to email me (it's my username at gmail dot com). If you look at the history of the article, you will notice that many different users have been endlessly reverting his nationality to either "Iranian" or "Afghan". I am curious what Valy himself wants the article to say instead of his fans. There was a similar situation when Sami Yusuf contacted Wikipedia regarding his biography. The only problem with saying "Persian" or "Tajik" is that Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) says:
- Nationality –
- In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable.
- Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.
- Nationality –
- However, perhaps we can make an exception if we can hear from Valy himself. So please ask him to email me when he is not busy. As for "Afghan", I'm assuming he was referring to the most common meaning of the term, which is "someone from Afghanistan" instead of someone who is Pashtun. Khoikhoi 19:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I will do my best and ask my friend to send him an email with your datas so he can contact you but I do not know when he will have time since he is working for another single, I guess. Concerned to Sami Yusuf, he is an Azeri Tat from Iran, Tabriz. With best regards bro
Ps: Are you an anatolian Turk?--88.69.52.216 (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- Sounds great, thanks. No, I'm not Turkish, Iranian, or Afghan. Why do you ask? :-) Khoikhoi 19:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Because your account´s name sounds related to me :D--88.69.52.216 (talk) 19:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, see Khoikhoi. It's actually a South African ethnic group. However, I'm not South Africa either. Khoikhoi 19:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
- User:Khoikhoi this guy using annon IPs starting with 8 from Germany you're replying to is the banned vandal Tajik. Proof --->[16] If you compare the style of writings then you notice all the IPs with 8 from Germany is him. Further proof is here, you see he edits with 88 and 84 annon IPs.
- See his latest edits, where he curses people left and right including administrators and he gets away with it. [17] He is a long time vandal who vandalizes every pages he comes to but you administrators do nothing to him. He is Tajik, Iranian, Persian nationalist and racist to others. He asked to know what your ethnic background is so he can start calling you names later. He is currently attacking mostly Pashtun people articles. Can you please do something about this banned vandal Tajik? Now you know why he won't create a user name and is only using annon IPs. That's because it's working for him, he gets away with it. He has successfully changed peoples ethnic background, see how he changed Ahmad Zahir's ethnic from Pashtun to Tajik. The fact is that Ahmad Zahir is ethnic Pashtun and he has no Tajik parents. See this New York Times article "An ethnic Pashtun who sang mostly in Dari, he won fans in all ethnic groups." [18] Ahmad Zahir's sister (Zahira Zahir) owns a beauty shop in Washington DC and you can call her shop to learn her and her brother's ethnic background if the NY article is not enough proof. Now you see that the banned Tajik is only here on Wikipedia to stir shit.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.76.224 (talk) 06:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes of course, Nisarkand. The world is stupid as you are so the entire world follow your dirty views. The NY-Time article was not based on the Zahir family nor it had really something to do with it. Ok, let call it a source, but on the otherside there are million of sources (and some are already provided) that you and your Pashtun ultra-nationalists are wrong. Now live the Internet shop and go back under the tent your father once came out, little uneducated nomad. Awghan e Khar. Awghul.
Btw, I told you 1000 times I´m not User Tajik (who is banned) but I am also from Germany that is maybe the reason why his IP begins with 84.XXX.XXX.XXX with 245 miles different, see the IP-Changes from 84.xxx. to 88... which get only sometimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.59.193.151 (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Khoikhoi, I already contacted my friend, Valy´s cousin to write to you back. I gave him also your e-mail but I don´t know if he wrote to you back. However, I do not write to you because of this but because the article is still wrong. Valy is of Persian ethnic, his parents are full-blood Persians, they have even Iranian citizen. There is no need nor any reason to call them as Afghans. He was not born in Afghanistan but in Iran. Remember what you have written.
- Nationality –
- In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable.
That his parents or at least his father is from Afghanistan does not change his ethnicity. The information that he is from Afghanistan is given but he is not an Awghan. Please use the information that is already posted in the disk-site of the article Valy Hedjasi. If Valy contacts you just ask him about his ethnicity! With best regards.
Valy is an Iranian-born Persian singer.
Ps:Please, do yourself a favor and ignore this guy above. He is an idiot. As a self-proclaimed Taliban and Al-Qaida supporter he is a dog of Pakistan and Arabia, cultureless and backward, same as his nomadic fellows. He was many times banned, even for the last three four weeks by the admins because he is well-known for his vandalizings and spreading of false-nationalistic informations all around Wikipedia.--84.59.193.151 (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Turkey
Whoops! I meant to lower that to semi yesterday, thanks for the heads up. Hiberniantears (talk) 12:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Dagestan
I can't think of an appropriate source off the top of my head, but a quick search produced this useful article, which states that Christians comprised 7.2% of the population in 1998 and that Islam is the dominant religion in the republic. I'll keep looking, but gotta run now.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
- No, it's definitely not in the census data, as Russian Census questions did not include questions about religion. The census data are occasionally used to estimate the confessional composition based on ethnicities, but such an approach is, of course, only good for very rough estimates, and I am wondering if the 90.7% figure is one of such rough estimates. Anyway, I'll keep looking.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Kolkhianboy (etc.)
Ah, I see. I've seen/read him vandalizing and nationalizing in the past. But in this one case – changing "South Caucasian or Kartvelian (Georgian) languages" back into "South Caucasian or Kartvelian languages", he's actually absolutely right — that language family is never called "Georgian language family". I think you will agree, even though it was done by an otherwise semi-malicious troll. I hope it's thus okay that I remove(d) the "Georgian" from that line.
If you were referring to the question if Mingrelians and Svans an be subsumed under the term "Georgians" (sorry, I'm a bit confused this evening), I'd still like to hear the pro and con arguments for that, as I would list them seperately. I'm not too familiar with the definition of "people" used as a criterion there. — N-true (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Albert Asriyan
There is a person who is identified by 38.117.188.10 who continues to vandalize and delete sections of my husband's Albert Asriyan page. He does this without discussion or explanation in the talk page. Every time he deletes sections, I revert to the previous and he deletes them again. He is a vandal and should not be allowed to edit that page. You have protected the page from editing, but in current version,it is missing sections that the person 38.117.188.10 deleted. Please review the as his editing is not by wiki standards and should be deleted. You can cross verify with the reference. Please inform us of a way to deal with this. Violin1951 (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your response and clarification. I will keep mind of the 3RR, however I am quite sure 38.117.188.10 does not care for wiki rules. You've asked if the information is verifiable, as in published in a newspaper. There is an article about Albert Asriyan and his death/leukemia from the New York Daily News which can be found HERE. It is also linked to within the article itself. There has also been a press release issued by our attorney stating that there is a case against the doctors. That section that 38.117.188.10 keeps removing is directly from that press release. It is referenced in Albert Asriyan's website which is listed as a source. Is it possible that 38.117.188.10 be blocked from editing the page as he/she contributes no constructive or rule-obligant editing. He is simply a vandal. Although I realize that he may just switch computers and continue. Violin1951 (talk) 04:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I do not have a link or online reference for the press release, however I do have an email from our attorney Mark M. Basichas stating that the press release has been issued. Perhaps it isn't often that ongoing lawsuits are mentioned on wikipedia, but in this case it is very relavent as Albert Asriyan died very suddently and many of his fans are interested in the case of his death. There have been other ongoing lawsuits mentioned on wikipedia, that i have personally read. If it is public information that is available, such as the case of the press release, it is relavent and should be allowed to be published in this article. And I do beleive it is notable, as he is very popular within the Russian-Armenian-American community. The case against SVETLANA PINKUSOVICH, M.D., MIKHAIL GRINBERG, M.D., ROBIN BARADARIAN, MD. and NEW YORK CITY HEALTH AND HOSPITALS CORPORATION has not been settled, but the press release states the following "The complaint alleges that the death of ALBERT ASRIYAN a prominent musician and composer was due to negligent delay in diagnosis and treatment of a highly treatable form of acute leukemia". As for 38.117.188.10 and other unregistered users, yes, please semi-protect the page. Violin1951 (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
South Ossetia
i disagree with your choice Ray-Rays (talk) 10:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Said Nursî
I'm sorry for that mistake, and thanks for your warning. I'll try to find a reliable source. OnurtheAgha (talk) 07:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
South Ossetia map
So, I prepared this map for Polish Wikipedia, but it could be useful for English Wikipedia too. Aotearoa (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry. I have absolutely no idea what link I clicked on to have all this text altered and removed. The only edit I thought I made was revert someone's edit who removed "Shi'a" from the lead. Again, sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.133.145 (talk) 21:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Himarë article vandalism??
Please can you revert and lock for sometime the editing of Himarë article as 24.185.86.249 and Taulant23 are repeatedly altering and deleting the article from 12 August and on?I can not do this myself because they have altered the whole article without any reliable references and deleting everything regarding the history of the region including reliable references.Knonis
- Hi, it looks like the edit war has cooled down recently. Do you still want the article protected? Khoikhoi 07:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Question
Hello. Yes, I agree with you, the second version is much better. The name can also be displayed as Ludvig or even Ljudvig. Taamu (talk) 07:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome
No problem. I wish i had more time for contributions. MULAZIMOGLU (talk) 09:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Technical
Hi, Khoikhoi! Judging by this edit of yours, I take it that the line you edited in the infobox does not wrap automatically for you? I've been trying to reproduce this bug for almost a year now without success (in all of the browsers I am able to test the lines wrap automatically without expanding the actual infobox). Could you, please, let me know which browser/operating system you are using? I know for sure Firefox had this bug prior to version 2.0—is this what you are using? Any feedback you could provide would be appreciated. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
- Dang, MacOS is one environment I don't have access to. Thanks anyway; at least now I know where the problem is. Would you mind if I bug you occasionally to take a look at some test infobox in the future? I do intend to fix this bug.
- Regarding your other question (citing Dagestan's confessional composition percentages), I've so far been unsuccessful. There are plenty of references citing Islam as the dominant religion of the republic, and a few that put number of Christians in the 5-10% range, but while all this seems to be more or less in line with the percentages cited in the article, I am not finding any specific figures. Perhaps the sentence can be reworded (as per available refs) until the reference used for the cited numbers surfaces?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'll re-word the sentence, unless you have any English-language sources you can use for this purpose (mine are all in Russian). Also, feel free to delete the screenshot above if you have no other use for it—I saved a copy locally in case I need to refer to it again. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- The names of districts/inhabited localities include the full name of the federal subject when the disambiguation is required. That was done primarily for consistency (short names such as "Komi" and "Karelia", for example, are ambiguous without the "Republic" specifier), and the whole disambiguation scheme of the Russian places currently relies on that convention (it is hard to keep track of stuff as is; would you also want to have to remember when to use "republic" and when not to?). My recommendation in case with Prigorodny District would be to take heart in the fact that some other titles are even longer and leave it at its current title :)
- As for the "Roksky Tunnel", it is a Russian transliteration, but since I don't know Ossetian, I cannot discard a possibility that it may also be Ossetian. On the listing order, I have no opinion. For places in Russia, we normally list Russian first, then the rest of the official languages, then other languages of some special importance. By that analogy, in case with the tunnel I would put Georgian first, then Ossetian, then Russian, but, of course, considering the recent events let's just say I'm glad I don't have to decide on the order of anything in this particular case :), but I trust Russian should be last in the list regardless of the order of Georgian/Ossetian. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'll re-word the sentence, unless you have any English-language sources you can use for this purpose (mine are all in Russian). Also, feel free to delete the screenshot above if you have no other use for it—I saved a copy locally in case I need to refer to it again. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Stalin
The Jughashvilis were Osettians relocated into Georgia by the Tsarist government after a minor rebellion that JS's great grandfather was involved in. Relocated Ossetians are still Ossetians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsloch (talk • contribs) 08:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The text requested is as follows:
'Beso’s grandfather, Zaza, was an Ossetian from the village of Geri, north of Gori. Zaza, like Stalin, his great grandson, became a Georgian rebel: in 1804, he joined the uprising of Prince Elizbar Eristavi against Russia. Afterwards, he was settled with other ‘baptized Ossetians’ in the village of Didi-Lilo, 9 miles from Tiflis, as a serf of Prince Badur Machabeli. Zaza’s son Vano tended the Prince’s vineyards and had two sons, Giorgi, who was murdered by bandits, and Beso, who got a job in Tiflis in the shoe factory of G. G. Adelkhanov but was headhunted by the Armenian Josef Baramov to make boots for the Russian garrison in Gori.'
You can find a copy of the first 20 pages of the Young Stalin here: http://www.orionbooks.co.uk/extras/SimonSebagMontefiore_youngstalin.pdf The section is on page 17 of that imprint.
Rsloch (talk • contribs) 15:01, 20 August 2008 (BST)
As the Caucasus is one of the most ethnically diverse regions in Europe I doubt many people living there are 100% anything.
Unless one is being really, really exact Beso was Ossetian.
Rsloch (talk • contribs) 11:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)
Abkhaz People
I'll have a look at it day after tomorrow, first I need to write an exam tomorrow. :) sephia karta 12:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Bagapsh
I'm afraid that I have absolutely no idea. I wrote that article long before sources were even common on Wikipedia, let alone required - I have no idea if they're even still available. I have a suspicion I may have used a database I had access to back in high school that had some useful stuff, but I can't even recall its name.
I'd probably take out the paragraph about Ardzinba's relationship with Bagapsh on WP:BLP grounds, at least if no one can turn up the source I actually used. The whole section about his time as Prime Minister could really do with a solid rewrite/new batch of research.
The section about the 1998 war, however - we should be able to use the sources from the (actually sourced) article on that conflict, so I don't think that should be a problem. Rebecca (talk) 03:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Aha! The database that I'm pretty sure I used was eLibrary (http://www.elibrary.com/). It was often a bit random in what it did have, but it was useful for some of these things in that it had a lot of 90s-era magazine feature articles, as opposed to the more straight news content of databases like Factiva that I'm more inclined to use these days. I'm not sure where you could get access to it, though - my uni doesn't bother with it, and I've never heard of it anywhere apart from my old high school.
- Thanks for fixing up the sourcing on the 1998 war section. I agree with your changes on South Ossetia too; now that the 2006 alternative government appears to have become a government-in-exile, probably permanently, it doesn't work to have so much detail on it in the lead. (I find it interesting that Sanakoyev doesn't seem have said anything to the press throughout this entire conflict - is he even still alive?) Rebecca (talk) 04:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Re: Amtsakhara - eep. It, like most the articles I wrote about Abkhaz figures really could do with a rewrite - while there's nothing in there that stands out as problematic, it was also written before Bagapsh took power, and thus needs quite a lot of work. One further source which I suspect I may have used, looking at the Amtshakhara text (and which is free and useful in terms of English content) is IWPR's Caucasus Reporting Service (www.iwpr.net) - that could be a decent place to start in terms of sourcing the thing. Rebecca (talk) 06:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Question (2)
I'll try to find out the Ossetian name for Roki Tunnel. Taamu (talk) 07:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I know for sure that Roksky pass will be "Ручъы æфцæг", than I guess "Ручъы тъунел" is correct. Taamu (talk) 06:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- In my opinion terms Roksky pass and Roksky tunnel are not the same. The passage that you have provided: "Серги гуыргæ Чеселты ракодта, Дыууæдонастæу 1916 азы зæхкусæг бинонты ’хсæн. Цыппар азы йыл куы сæххæст, уæд райдыдта гуырдзыйы уæды геноцид æмæ Ручъы æфцæгыл йæ ныййарджытимæ ахызт Цæгат Ирыстонмæ") refers to the year of 1920 when there was no tunnel, because it was completed in 1985. Do you agree? Taamu (talk) 06:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Lotta work to do here...Wikipedia isn't going away anytime soon and I want to improve this site as long as it is here. And I use this site so much, even when when I'm not editing. It's something of a big thing, no site has come around to rplace it. Alex contributing from L.A. (talk) 01:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Question
I'm confused by your statement that I am trying to sell something to Wikipedia users. I am simply trying to share literally thousands of encyclopedic-type photos of remote sites that are freely viewable without purchase with other Wikipedia users. Could you explain what the problem is because I don't understand why you have a problem with my free photos? Rex Geissler Rexgeissler (talk) 20:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Turkey/Ottoman Empire
Hi Khoikhoi. I've seen your moderation on Wikipedia and you seem like a good person to come to when there's a problem that needs resolving. OK, enough pandering. Now on the page Turkey at the 1908 Summer Olympics and 1908 Summer Olympics, the name "Turkey" appears where the "Ottoman Empire" should. Now apparently, the official reports from the Olympics used "Turkey", so I appreciate why this should be mentioned on these pages. However, my edits to the effect of "... the Ottoman Empire was incorrectly called Turkey" have all been reversed on the grounds that Wikipedia can't determine what is or isn't correct. As you can see in Turkey at the 1908 Summer Olympics, other official teams at the 1908 Olympics were: "Australasia" and "Holland" -- but the article still speaks about correct countries ("New Zealand" and "the Netherlands"). Why can't Turkey be corrected too?? Best, Ordtoy (talk) 06:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Sándor Petőfi
Hi, I edited the article about Sándor Petőfi yesterday because there were mistakes in it. You changed it back to previous version. Why did u do it? Do you have any information about Sándor Petőfi? Do know the history of central Europe? Thank you for answers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasooon (talk • contribs) 16:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- The sources according to which the father of Sándor Petőfi was a Serb are not relevant. They just believe the lie which started in the past. His father was a Slovak. There is a guy who was studying this particular problem for years. His name is József Kiss and wrote a book - Petőfi adattár. The ancestors of Petőfi came to what is now Slovakia some time in the 16th century. The only reason why there exist myths that his father was a Serb, is that the name Petrovics is Serbian. So his father can be a 1/64 Serb or maybe 1/32 Serb but not full Serb, not even half Serb... Also the family tree of Sándor Petőfi says that the ancestors of his mother as well as of his father were Slovaks down to the year 1685.
Other things - since his father was a Slovak, he spoke Slovak as a native speaker. Of course that he also spoke Hungarian, because all the documents, offices, schools, courts used Hungarian language. Another thing - I don't understand why should the names of Slovak cities, towns in English articles be in Hungarian. They should be either in English or in Slovak. It is the same when you write about German cities in English article. You do not use their names in Hungarian, but either in English or in German... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasooon (talk • contribs) 22:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Rwanda
Hey. Can you help me keep an eye on the Rwanda article? I've allowed significant yet wholly unsourced demographic claims to sit for a week+ with various tags, but nothing happened (for e.g., one of these asserted that the Muslim population in the country has tripled since 2001, due to various unsourced reasons, which may or may not prove to be true). I could use a 2nd set of eyes to help me enforce these terms. Thx. Best, El_C 20:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- The sources are in the main articles. I really don't want to bother writing it up, but am annoyed that El C deletes material he knows can be sourced merely because he doesn't like it. kwami (talk) 01:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'm annoyed, because it's your responsibility to source it, since you're restoring it. I have no problem with the material. Why would I? El_C 02:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Khoikhoi, El C threatened to block me if I add the refs without rewriting the article, which I just did. Since you're the one who said "no one's asking [me] to rewrite the article", I'd appreciate it if you kept an eye on things.
BTW, El C only came up with his "unsourced" argument when I refused to buy his original rationalization for deleting info from the article: "please observe due weight — the length you accorded to that issue is just proprotionate (takes half the section) to other, similarly if not more improtant issues in that section", "it's excessive to devote over half the demographics section to a group that makes up 13 percent of the population". No mention of it being unreliable until I insisted that "undue weight" doesn't mean we have to turn the entire article into a stub just because some sections within it are stubs.
Also, he is not policing an edit war, as he falsely claims. He's the one who originally deleted the material as "undue weight". Since he's not going around gutting other articles for this reason, and there are plenty of other fact tags in the article, I can only assume that he takes issue with the content of the material itself, not undue weight or proper sourcing. kwami (talk) 21:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- If you take issue with any other unsourced content in the article, and someone else would continue to restore it, ignoring wp:burden, I would act exactly the same. El_C 21:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I guess wikilawerly-wise, he has a point, but I just try to keep the peace across so many articles, hundreds and hundreds of them, it's hard to remember. But in fairness, I did withdraw for a week and told him to go ahead and just add the four or five citations. But come to think of it, does it make sense to devote half of that section to Muslim-related developments. Clearly, if the Muslims have grown three times in size, that deserves mention, but for the demographics we are talking about for the entire country throughout modern history, including the Genocide, and so on. So, does it, in fact, make sense to devote over half the section to just that one issue? El_C 22:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- If you'd forgotten that you're the one who started blanking the section, and later saw it as a fresh dispute you were not involved in, then I apologize for my suspicions. I've certainly done that myself. But as for undue weight, it's absolute, not relative. By your argument, if an article has a section that's just a stub, then we would need to reduce all its sections to stubs. Hardly any articles would ever get developed with that approach. Two very short paragraphs about the conversion of a substantial portion of the population to Islam (Evangelism also needs to be mentioned) after the genocide is hardly undue weight for the subject, and if it's disproportionate to the rest of the section, then we need to develop the rest of the section, not gut it further. The reason I don't want to rewrite it is that it will take a lot of work, and research, in subjects I know next to nothing about. kwami (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- Country articles need to retain a measure of stability. It becomes undue weight because a reader goes to the demographics sections and sees one paragraph that's a general summary and then two other paragraphs about how conversions to Islam grew three times in less than ten years (from 5 to 15 percent), which is significant, and yes, recent, but so significant so as to overwhelm everything else? So it needs to be further summarized, linking instead to the broader discussion, until the demographics section has more than just a tiny paragraph about everything else. That more substantive discussion was overshadowed by you, on the one hand, insisting on restoring the content, which was unsourced (even after a week that I withdrew), because you didn't want to edit the article? Well, if you restore it, those are the breaks. And adding the sources in subpar way becaue you don't want to bother is not acceptable, either. Note that you violated 3RR (no, I did not: because I only reverted twice & Khoikhoi reverted twice —you reverted 4 times to out four), yet I did not report you. Which I'm beginning to regret. El_C 22:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- If you had summarized it and linked instead of just gutting it, I'd've had no problem with it. I'm well aware that the section needs major revision, but deleting information is not the answer.
- Ah, I see I didn't do my homework. You made four edits in six hours with edit summaries that suggested they were reverts, but only three of them actually were reverts. But I reverted three times, not four, letting your last deletion stand. So we were both playing the 3RR game. kwami (talk) 23:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't revert four times. I made four edits. Two continuous ones, and two non-continuous ones. So it is a physical impossibility. Whereas you, reverted four, or even five time, counting your blanking. El_C 00:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- And thirteen reverts in the week? Are you going for a record? El_C 00:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
- I will continue to respond to your misrepresentations, but I think we should take this elsewhere. (And whatever happened to your promise not to speak to me any more today?) Perhaps you're merely careless, but counting up to five is not difficult, nor is reading two lines of a comment you're responding to, and I'd appreciate it if you bothered to do this before making allegations.
- Contemptible; I truly hope I never have to encounter this abusive editor and his bizarre double standards. El_C 02:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Image
Hi, can you please help me with an image. I am a bit confused what will be the copyright tag for Image:AntiSmokingNaziGermany.jpg. Will Template:Non-free magazine cover be more appropriate? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 20:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Also can you understand who will be the copyrightholder of this image? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 20:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Khoikhoi, please note that I will not tolerate that User:AzureFury, who in my opinion is an adventurer seeking conflict with me, to use my text to parade his ignorance; as the final messages of this user show (on the talk page of the entry at issue), this person is trying to take the entry as hostage with the aim of forcing his ill will through. If he adds a single word into my text, I will sue Wikipedia for exposing my work; as far as the above-mentioned entry is concerned, I will not grant that Wikipedia exposes my text if User:AzureFury inserts even a single word into my original text (he is naturally free to write the entire entry by his own). In order to avoid repeating myself, I refer you to the talk page of the above-mentioned entry as well as the messages that I have just placed here: [19] (please see the bottom of the page) and here: [20]. For completeness (I have already written this to User:Stifle), my Wikipedia article has been apparently good enough that on the basis of it last week the editor of a prestigious film magazine in Canada commissioned me to write an extensive article on Unruled Paper (he has asked me that my commissioned article be at least twice as extensive as my Wikepedia article). Kind regards, --BF 03:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC).