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Kelapstick, your gracious response to this situation really leaves a very good impression. In two or three months, with the one issue squarely behind you, it'll be a pleasure to help support your next bid for the mop. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 16:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
Kelapstick, your gracious response to this situation really leaves a very good impression. In two or three months, with the one issue squarely behind you, it'll be a pleasure to help support your next bid for the mop. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 16:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
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:Dear Kelapstick, I discovered your RfA too late to comment and I was even more disappointed to find out how you was pushed to withdraw your nomination. However, if you plan your next RfA, please let me know – I don't want again to miss the opportunity to support your RfA. [[User:Beagel|Beagel]] ([[User talk:Beagel|talk]]) 17:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC) |
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FYI
[1]. Welcome home. Nevada wasn't the same without you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- I edited you a "welcome home" present, here. Let's see how long it stays! Drmies (talk) 03:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- According to Grammar Girl (and I think I agree with her), it should be "green-bean casserole," hyphenated. Any thoughts? Drmies (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, nice work. Southern California is great, I think I will try to open a mine there, on the other hand I enjoy no state income tax, open gabling and loose liquor laws too....It is snowing here, quite the surprise to come home to.--kelapstick (talk) 03:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- Not much need for gabling here. Doesn't snow very often. :) I'm not sure what open gabling is, but it sounds fancy. Oh you meant gambling? We have casinos my friend. Not to worry! And I saw The Samples (band) at the track. And since we're all losing our jobs so the income taxes don't bite that much. Although the sales tax is going up. And they tried to take away our plastic bags, but a judge gave them back!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- But you don't have slot machines in the grocery store...do you?
- Not much need for gabling here. Doesn't snow very often. :) I'm not sure what open gabling is, but it sounds fancy. Oh you meant gambling? We have casinos my friend. Not to worry! And I saw The Samples (band) at the track. And since we're all losing our jobs so the income taxes don't bite that much. Although the sales tax is going up. And they tried to take away our plastic bags, but a judge gave them back!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, nice work. Southern California is great, I think I will try to open a mine there, on the other hand I enjoy no state income tax, open gabling and loose liquor laws too....It is snowing here, quite the surprise to come home to.--kelapstick (talk) 03:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- According to Grammar Girl (and I think I agree with her), it should be "green-bean casserole," hyphenated. Any thoughts? Drmies (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
We don't even have those machines where you can recycle your cans and bottles for a nickle! It's going to be interesting whether the list of article survives. Clearly it's needed. I made it a disambig. because I was worried about an article that isn't truly an article. But it wasn't really a disambig. But now as a list of the point is being made that it isn't an article about the subject. Hopefully enough people will recognize the need for it and vote keep. We'll see. Did you notice the involved parties? Another relaxing day for me on the 'pedia. Speaking of which, I hope you're tan and relaxed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- We don't even recycle here...ANYTHING...a change from Canada where we recycled everything. I think the list is suited better as an outline article (moved after the AfD), there are quite a few of them (see Category:Outlines, no BLP outlines yet, but I don't think anyone has that extent of articles written about them) and they serve as a good summary page with lists of information, you can search for what you want without having to read through the prose of the main article.--kelapstick (talk) 16:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm heading over to the farmer's market along the strand. Do you want anything? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Someone willing to pay $3.00/pound for a few billion pounds of copper would be nice, but other than that I think I am good.--kelapstick (talk) 17:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Copper is out. Silicon and "green jobs" are in. Them's the breaks. Part of the "sustainability" initiative and the great leveling that is under way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Until they learn to transmit (clean) power through silicon I am afraid that copper is still in..."If it's not grown, it's mined"...surprising the number of people that don't know that.--kelapstick (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Your thinking is so 20th century. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Until they learn to transmit (clean) power through silicon I am afraid that copper is still in..."If it's not grown, it's mined"...surprising the number of people that don't know that.--kelapstick (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Copper is out. Silicon and "green jobs" are in. Them's the breaks. Part of the "sustainability" initiative and the great leveling that is under way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for This is why you're fat
Dravecky (talk) 00:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
AfDs
Noticed you nominated a lot of this user's non-notable articles for deletion, you might want to look at this if you feel like nominating more of them, which I strongly support in fact I might nom a few more myself tonight. Cheers, --Giants27 T/C 01:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Wow...Thanks for the link...Fabrictramp and I keep a "sorted" list at User:Kelapstick/Sandbox, helps keep tabs on what is up at AfD, what passed, what failed (to check for recreation) what met the GNG etc, feel free to use/edit the list. I will have to take a look to see what is and isn't there. --kelapstick (talk) 04:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah Chris Nelson (baseball) is on the 40-man and what Gjr does is as you know he created Jared Hyatt and it was deleted so he then created Jared Hyatt (baseball) so watch out for that.--Giants27 T/C 12:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Moose A. Moose
Shubinator (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for El Salvador mine
Orlady (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for El Teniente
Orlady (talk) 02:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Good work Kelapschtick. As we become sustainable over the next couple of years using only recycled materials and renewable energy sources these mining articles will provide a fascinating glimpse into the past. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Getting close to 25, not sure I will have to check. When the US and Canada decide they can live without mining I am willing to exploit the resourses of a third world country. I am an equal opportunity extractor. kelapstick (talk) 05:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- It's actually 21.--kelapstick (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Just 21? Jeesh. Get to work. I'll try to copy-edit where I can, but there's only so much ground I can cover. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- It's actually 21.--kelapstick (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Meta-talk
Your comment made me laugh, because as I was posting my question about the quote of the day I was thinking: this should probably go on the talk page of my talk page. Duh! That's what it's there for. Oops! :) I kind of see Geo as Neo with a G. I'm not familiar with the whole storyline, but ummm are you like part of the matrix or breaking free of it or something? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- Glad you enjoyed it, I saw the first of the Matrices and didn't go any further. I used to work with a guy who had never seen Star Wars, so you could Always win an arguement with him by saying "What do you know, you've never saw Star Wars!" anyway the talk-talk page looks like a good place to host the bacon cabal. kelapstick (talk) 05:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I found this article Sterling Hill Mining Museum interesting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Minor leagues
I've finally got round to working on some of those many, many articles! I've improved two of them so far and just stuck them at the bottom of the list "passes BNG/GNG". I'm not sure if I've put it in the right place- I can re-write an article but I still don;t know anything about baseball!! I trust you'll fiddle around as you see fit, but I'm just letting you know! Regards, HJ Mitchell (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- btw, am I looking at the right articles? I'm just going from the bottom and working up towards the ones that meet GNG/BNG- I suppose I just got used to it doing the NP Patrol. Let me know if there's a "preferred method" HJ Mitchell (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- There is no preference about where you work on the list. You put Doug Brandt and David Austen under "Played MLB or on an MLB teams 40 man roster or better" where I think you intended to put them under "Passes GNG". Looking at the roster it doesn't look like they have done either. The stats sites are not "significant coverage in third party reliable sources". If they have played on the team or were on the 40 man roster it doesn't say so...--kelapstick (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about that, and thanks for the talkback. I take your point about the stats sites and what not, but I think that, with one exception, which I noted was shakey, the volume of, albeit less reputable, information out there on these players, I think, would seem to justify their inclusion. One or two of them have genuine claims to notability, I can't remember which offhand- all I know about minor league baseball is what I'm reading doing this, but I'm willing to help in the re- writing and dredging up sources. I think they would certainly have a much better chance at AfD if they were nominated, though they could benefit from a little TLC. HJ Mitchell (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- Statistics site do not constitute significant coverage that can be used to support notability. I am not arguing that the statistics sites are not reliable, I believe they are correct, but they are not significant coverage, and having 12 (random number) sites that give the same information (as by default the statistics have to be the same no matter where you get them from) is not significant coverage. An example of a reliable source (that can be used to establish notability) is a newspaper, and significant coverage in a newspaper is an article written about the subject, what is not significant coverage in a newspaper is an article about the team with one sentence about the players performance. I agree there are many minor league players that pass the general notability guidelines, and they were not put up for AfD (or I missed the sources and their AfD resulted in keep, which a few of them did), and I encourage the improvement and inclusion of articles about minor league players that do pass the GNG, but the sources have to be reliable, citing many statistics sites doesn't qualify as reliable sources. I also encourage you to work on improving these articles because you are correct they do need attention, I do not intend to nominate an article for AfD if notability has already been established.--kelapstick (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, how about we disregard the GNG for the purposes of this discussion. Would it not make more sense to improve them and get them up to a good standard and just see what happens? If somebody came a long and was a little zealous with the AfD tags, I'd fight for the better ones but be ready to accept the consensus. After all, there's more material out there on some of these guys than there is on a lot of supposedly "notable" subjects. So instead of assuming they're not worthy of an article, why not give them the best shot at one we can- after all, only those who have the entire deletion policy and GNG committed to memory are likely to be tagging a seemingly well referenced article. As a compromise, how about I slap AfD tags on anything that doesn't have information other than on stats sites from now on? I don't mind re-writing them or dredging for sources but if they're only going to be consigned to the scrap heap, it's better to put them out of their misery. HJ Mitchell (talk) 11:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- Take a look at User:Fabrictramp#Check-Double-Check-Triple-Check for what we were thinking of. I am all for keeping minor league articles who pass the GNG, and are well sourced. But the articles that you added to "passes the GNG" on my sandbox page didn't pass the GNG, they just had stats sites.--kelapstick (talk) 23:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Editing other users' Talk page comments
This sort of edit is generally frowned upon. I appreciate that your intent was to clarify and correct, but our conduct guidelines are quite specific about this. (Incidentally, your correction was incorrect: you might revise the definition of exorcism compared with, say reanimation and resurrection.) Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 20:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Exorcism, what was I thinking?...I did remove the entire change.--kelapstick (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Tsk tsk tsk
I see someone has a taste for refactoring. Can we be certain that Mies, Dr. didn't intentionally get the lyrics wrong? Maybe he chooses to "race the dead" instead of "raise" them? And by making obvious corrections, aren't you just highlighting his pitiful understanding of U2 lyrics? What's next Kelapstick? What's next???ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- No comment about my confusing exorcism and Resurrection? I am surprised...--kelapstick (talk) 20:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I saw that too. But keeping track of these pagan rituals can get confusing. Excorcism, excursion, excoriate, extrapolate... eh, too many letters anyway. I like to just sit-back and relax with a big bowl of pizza-ghetti and a nice snickers salad. Where are you going for the next family outing? If you come to LA we have a very nice ummm.... let me think... ummmmmmm... well some of the beach are kind of nice. I think the ones further south are nicer though. But I do know a good Mexican truck for a "cubano" sandwich! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- We may go to Disneyland near the end of June. I make it a point not to eat Mexican when we leave town, we have four Mexican places here and not much else, so if I want a taco, I don't have to travel very far. --kelapstick (talk) 21:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I saw that too. But keeping track of these pagan rituals can get confusing. Excorcism, excursion, excoriate, extrapolate... eh, too many letters anyway. I like to just sit-back and relax with a big bowl of pizza-ghetti and a nice snickers salad. Where are you going for the next family outing? If you come to LA we have a very nice ummm.... let me think... ummmmmmm... well some of the beach are kind of nice. I think the ones further south are nicer though. But I do know a good Mexican truck for a "cubano" sandwich! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Birds
Are you down in the mine? Keep an eye on the canaries. ChildofMidnight 23:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- We don't actually have a mine here (yet, that is sort of why I am here), what we do have is a lot of desert.--kelapstick (talk) 16:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Hummus
Greetings! I noticed you removed Hummus from Middle Eastern cuisine, Mediterranean cuisine and Vegetarian cuisine. This article is semi-protected due to a vast amount of vandalism and continuous edit warring[2] regarding regional terms as well as nationalities and food categories. Before removing any categories, I would like to ask you to discuss their removal on the article's talk page. I know it seems silly to have to discuss categories etc. regarding a food, but if you look at the edit history, this article has been quite...controversial...Thanks!!! --Nsaum75 (talk) 04:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting, I removed Mid-East cuisine because Arab cuisine is in Mid-East, and Levantine cuisine is also in Mediterranean cuisine (and Arab and Mid-East), making it grossly over catagorized, I would think maybe it should be in the highest category, like Mid-East and Mediterranean, so that it doesn't have to be in each sub category. Also vegan is by definition vegetarian (and is sub-categorized accordingly), so notwithstanding my starting an international incident with my category removal, at the very least that change should stand, perhaps that is something more suited for WP:FOOD as there are quite a few that are in both, thanks. :D --kelapstick (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Stone Creek Jamboree
rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 04:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The minor league articles
Hi, the discussion seems to have moved to Fabrictramp's page, but I just wanted to make it clear that none of my comments have been meant slightingly. I got myself into this through the NP Patrol anyway. The two of you have done a brilliant job of sorting these articles out and organising them. I just think we should keep everything we can and it seems a shame to see good information discarded. I'll give you a hand with some of the others when I get round to it, though it would be good to clear up what we're going to do with them first.I notice Gjr isn't active of late, which, in a sense, is also a shame since he could have been a good asset and helped in cleaning up some of these articles. But hey, the Earth's still spinning so keep up the good work! Kind regards, HJMitchell You rang? 09:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, btw, thanks for listing the articles for Fabrictramp last week- you saw his reply before I did! HJMitchell You rang? 09:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I am in no hurry to mass delete anything, but all the articles need to be checked and so on, improvements are appreciated but I ask that you do not move articles into the "passing the GNG" category unless they pass the notability guidelines using reliable sources, not statistics sites, and if you add them to the 25 or 40 man roster section make sure it is stated in the article with a cited source. Thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, btw, thanks for listing the articles for Fabrictramp last week- you saw his reply before I did! HJMitchell You rang? 09:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
That's fair enough. At least they can be improved kind of as and when. Would it be worth starting a new section for articles that have been checked but don't pass the GNG yet? Just a suggestion. Sorry for the confusion. HJMitchell You rang? 16:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- That would probably would be a good idea. --kelapstick (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
RE: WikiBirthday
Thanks! One year already seemed to go by so fast. Cheers Kyle1278 16:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Here you go!
Hope you're getting a patio and a grill and all that. Drmies (talk) 02:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
- Fancy! Do you need knives like that for bacon burgers? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Steamed clams
thx for nom Victuallers (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nom! Bongomatic 17:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
User page
Thanks for the reversion. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 13:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Anything here?
Kipushi Mine . . . saw it up at the new page patrol. Hope all is well with you. Bongomatic 13:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting, I will take a look at it, maybe see if I can find out who owns it, that might be helpful information to add :D. All is well, unfortunately I have not been able to devote as much time as I would like to editing lately, my dad is down from Canada, and we have been quite busy with the little guy, although I did manage to scrape enough time up to get Dead Hot Workshop done and nominated for DYK, sadly nobody has approved Long Wong's appearance on the main page yet...I wonder if I could get more commas in that sentance...Thanks for the link, if you come across any more in NP patrol I would appreciate it, at least so I can post it at WP:MINING--kelapstick (talk) 14:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
69 Sexy...
Thanks for the update. I'm still pretty new Wikipedia, so I'm learning as I go along. :) For that particular article, 69 Sexy Things 2 Do Before You Die can you let me know what would need to be cited?
Thanks (Zepolekim (talk) 21:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC))
- You need to cite as much as you can, anything that does not have a citation may be removed, you should read the links that I left on your talk page.--kelapstick (talk) 21:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Re: 69 Sexy Things 2 Do Before You Die
OK thanks for telling me. Cheers Kyle1278 02:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
- Kelapstick is up to #4. What do you make of this Canandaigua Academy article and the weighty section on the shooting including the name of the victim? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
- Since the name is published in a RS I don't think you can dispute it's inclusion (as a minor I was surprised that it was listed on the TV station). The sources are not about the school they are about the shooting, the section maybe should be moved to 2009 Canandaigua Academy suicide or something like that and included as a see also in the school page. If that is the only thing the school is notable for it begs the question as to whether or not the school is notable enough for inclusion (although typically high schools are when the go to AfD). You need to get to work on J-D's Down Home Enterprises and Mitch Morgan. --kelapstick (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
- What is a Mitch Morgan? Is it served with bacon? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
- Since the name is published in a RS I don't think you can dispute it's inclusion (as a minor I was surprised that it was listed on the TV station). The sources are not about the school they are about the shooting, the section maybe should be moved to 2009 Canandaigua Academy suicide or something like that and included as a see also in the school page. If that is the only thing the school is notable for it begs the question as to whether or not the school is notable enough for inclusion (although typically high schools are when the go to AfD). You need to get to work on J-D's Down Home Enterprises and Mitch Morgan. --kelapstick (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Dead Hot Workshop
Sorry it took me a while to get back to you — I tend to forget about these things if I don't reply right away — but unfortunately I know absolutely nothing about them; hadn't even ever heard of them until your post to my talk page, actually. Sounds like something I might have to check out, though :-) Bearcat (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK nom for three-year old
Done Drmies (talk) 18:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you.
Thanks for the advice earlier - I've apologised to the editor concerned. We live and learn. :) Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Square milk jugs
It's been a while since you came up with something really cool and fun. The bacon salt company is not bad, but I'm thinking you're due for something worthwhile. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- Here's an idea. There's no article on the Splendor Beetle, which some cite as the oldest living insect. Bongomatic 06:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- How do they know it's the oldest living insect? Are you sure it isn't just a lot of buzz? I would hate to get stung over this. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Groan. Clearly deserves an article, though, and certainly has the potential for more cringe-worthy DKY hooks a-la CoM. Bongomatic 08:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Bongo, it's good to see you have antennae out for this kind of article subject. Don't bug out and fly off the handle, we'll scarab up some interest soon without any need for pestering. We just need a few editors to ante up and do a little leg work. These things always start out in a larval stage, and sometimes creep along for a while. But once it's been cocooned into and people shell out some good citations, ideas for improvements will get pollinated in no time. It's a subject that just needs biting into, or for a small pod of hard workers to start building a little nest of content. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Groan. Clearly deserves an article, though, and certainly has the potential for more cringe-worthy DKY hooks a-la CoM. Bongomatic 08:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- How do they know it's the oldest living insect? Are you sure it isn't just a lot of buzz? I would hate to get stung over this. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Have a look at this...
Geo, can you check this out and make sure it all looks okay so I can notify some of the non-cabal editors who might want to participate [3]? Feel free to add rules, commentary, formatting, or whatever. It also has an active talk page (but no meta-talk page). Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Dead Hot Workshop
Shubinator (talk) 01:59, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Coal, Misundertood, Abused, Precious Natural Resource
Hello,
You removed this titled addition, to the Wikipedia title 'COAL', any explanation?? country43 Country43 (talk) 17:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yes the rationale was in the edit summary, but I will elaborate. The content was not cited using a reliable source, which is a requirement for Wikipedia (you can read about that at WP:RS). When you edit a page right below the edit window it says
- "Content that violates any copyright will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable."
- Aside from unverified content it looked like it was copied word-for-word from a website (which you have done in the past) and therefore be a violation of our copyright policy, which can be read at WP:COPYVIO. Pleas let me know if you have any more questions. --kelapstick (talk) 17:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Attention Cabal
Note that I have created a template for the bacon barnstar (if needed in the future), {{subst:User:Kelapstick/Bacon barnstar|put your citation here ~~~~}}--kelapstick (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, I don't know exactly what you did in my sandbox, but I think I approve. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 22:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- HAHA, if you put : before the word Category it takes it out of the category (so your sandbox doesn't get listed).--kelapstick (talk) 22:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
The Bacon Barnstar | ||
For creating a bacon barnstar template. Your instructions said to "put your citation here" when I think you meant comments, but I am taking a Rosetta Stone "learn to speak Canadian" course so I understood, eh. Good work, eh. Keep it up, eh.ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
- That was the text from the Original Barnstar, it looked odd to me, but I figured you would be able to figure oot what I was talking a boot.--kelapstick (talk) 04:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Coke and Natural Gas produce Ethanol
Re: Title Coal of Wikipedia Hello, You were not happy that our references were personal. We contacted www.coal-and-the-environment.org and they agreed to grant the permission of copyright, and they posted this grant on their first web page. You might have another comment. We will be glad to correct it when you will disclose it.. country43 Country43 (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I hope this helps, but I encourage you to read WP:RS and WP:COPYVIO if you have not already.
- Coal-and-the-envornment.org is not what is usable as a reliable source for Wikipedia. From that policy:
- Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
- The material that I removed was copy/paste from www.coalplantsengineering.com, which is not a reliable source either, and is probably under copyright, in order for it to be added, the company would have to release the materials copyright under the GFDL, which in my experience, most companies do not want to (at least companies that like to make money).
In a nutshell:
- Do not copy and paste content from one website to Wikipedia for copyright reasons, even if it is will not be a copyright violation it is still plagerism
- Only add content that has been published in a third party reliable source, which excludes all the websites that you have posted in the past including coal and the environment and coal plant engineering.
If this is not clear I would be happy to expand on any questions you may have.--kelapstick (talk) 21:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello,It was just yesterday that you confirmed that www.coal-and-the-environment.org was a reference, consequently we contacted them. Now as they accepted to post a copyright grant, you are no more accepting them??? We hope that there is nothing personal.. country43 Country43 (talk) 21:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
- There is nothing personal, but the website still does not qualify as a reliable source (so even if there is no copyright/plagerism issue it could not be used), perhaps I should have included that in my edit summary. --kelapstick (talk) 21:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello, We thank you for your response, and we are glad of your attitude. According to the definitions provided by Wikipedia, An organization website is an accepted reference. Coal-and-the-environment is a respectable organization with a lot of members and supporters, and it is standing on a high world wide level, and its mission is far reaching. When they accepted our request to grant the copyright, this does not diminish their attitude. They accepted this grant from the perspective of accepted policy.
Now from another different view, Coke and Natural Gas produce Ethanol is a scientific fact well documented in Ullmann's Encyclopedia of Industrial Chemistry, and Kirk and Othmer Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology. The documentation follow the sequence we mentioned in our article, Ethylene is first produced from Coke and Natural Gas, next Ethylene is a well known raw material to produce Ethanol.
This scientific fact is also mentioned several times over the internet, and it is only the Wikipedia which is left behind.
As a protector of the Wikipedia, you surely do not intend to shadow darkness on the Wikipedia.
Country43 Country43 (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
- Where in WP:RS does it say that a company website is usable as a reliable source? The word "company" does not show up anywhere on the page, and the only time the word website shows up is right after "do not use" in how to source statements of opinion. If Wikipedia is the only online media that does not realize that ethanol can be produced by combining coke and natural gas that it will be easy to find a reliable source, unless no "reliable sources" (in terms of Wikipedia) have published it, in which case it is not to be included.--kelapstick (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Fancy??
K-stick, you old shadower of darkness, what up with this? How's the move going? Drmies (talk) 14:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- They call them films here, not movies, see Titanic (1997 film), Casablanca (film) etc. because when you say film you sound fancier than when you say movie. Actually I don't really know why they are called films and not movies...I pick up the truck today, we are about 40% packed, and at that point where we had to stop because we were using the other stuff, but it should go fairly smoothly over the next two days. We are even getting our cable and internet (which means we get our phone since we have a VoIP phone) hooked up on Saturday, who works on Saturdays? Especially around here.--kelapstick (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Good luck with the move. Lift with your legs, not with your back. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I should be checking out of here at 4, but there is a woot-off today so I almost want to stay at work...--kelapstick (talk) 19:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Good luck with the move. Lift with your legs, not with your back. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK for J-D's Down Home Enterprises
Jamie☆S93 18:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- I believe that is #25 now. Looking forward to getting the Bacon articles up. Do you think we should combine Mitch Morgan and Bacon Martini in the same hook?--kelapstick (talk) 19:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Shoot, forgot to fry bacon this morning. I hope I'll get to it today. Yeah, I think that's a good idea...but don't ask me for ideas, I'm just the ref template guy. ;) I made a few edits to the article, I think it's great. Where do you get these ideas? Drmies (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well I actually went there the other day, got some pictures but haven't been able to upload them yet, I even got in trouble from a pin monkey for using flash photography while a national tournament was on going, but there was no sign (I did look), and they didn't look like they were very good anyway.--kelapstick (talk) 20:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- What is a pin monkey? Don't combine hooks. Martinis and Mitch Morgans shouldn't be jumbled together. The bowling building article is good and the JD bacon seasonings company one is good too. Kudos. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- A pin monkey is the guy who fixes the pins when the machine breaks, back in the day they would actually set the pins. This guy was actually working on scoring I think, but they are all pin monkeys to me. It bowling stadium looks good to me, it is a far hope to get it to get it up to DYKable though, would need to be about 2.5x longer and I just don't think it has it. A bag of crap just came up on the woot-off, I hope I can get my order in on time, I think it is.--kelapstick (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- I cooked extra bacon this morning, so I'll be making pictures today. Bacon Monkey (talk) 115:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- What is a pin monkey? Don't combine hooks. Martinis and Mitch Morgans shouldn't be jumbled together. The bowling building article is good and the JD bacon seasonings company one is good too. Kudos. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well I actually went there the other day, got some pictures but haven't been able to upload them yet, I even got in trouble from a pin monkey for using flash photography while a national tournament was on going, but there was no sign (I did look), and they didn't look like they were very good anyway.--kelapstick (talk) 20:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Shoot, forgot to fry bacon this morning. I hope I'll get to it today. Yeah, I think that's a good idea...but don't ask me for ideas, I'm just the ref template guy. ;) I made a few edits to the article, I think it's great. Where do you get these ideas? Drmies (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- I believe that is #25 now. Looking forward to getting the Bacon articles up. Do you think we should combine Mitch Morgan and Bacon Martini in the same hook?--kelapstick (talk) 19:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey K, can you assess this edit? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- The Mitch Morgan picture is in there, with a mixed drinks infobox. I'm not happy with the photo but it's all I got right now... Drmies (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
- Nice work on the picture, as for the edit, I don't know about the censors, but people do refer to BOC as some other variant of the acronym, my favorite is Bandolier of Carrots. They sold it at shirt.woot.com here. The edit though is entirely original research and falls under the category of WP:NOTGUIDE, for example, Wikipedia is not here to help you understand a Woot forum (they can be quite funny during a Woot-off by the way). --kelapstick (talk) 15:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Jack Weiss Page
Sir,
I saw your post in the discussion area of Jack Weiss in reference to Sloanlier. Thank you for your help. Can you talk to Will Beback to have him remove the unsourced information? He has currently locked the page from editing.
Thank you
76.79.166.64 (talk) 23:26, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Kelapstick, if you are aware of any BLP violation on the Jack Weiss page please let me know so it can be deleted. Will Beback talk 00:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Kelapstick, I'm very happy to see you involved in LA politics. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- I do what I can. --kelapstick (talk) 15:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Mansion
I hope you're enjoying yourself and settled in your new home. Have a good weekend. Since you like N.M. stories, this might be good for an article: Roswell UFO Festival. ChildofMidnight (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- We are getting settled, nice place but a long commute. I have a few things left in our old garage that I have to take up still but we are pretty well moved, now the unpacking, argh. After 5 days we finally have internet/phone/TV so that is nice. This morning on my way in I had a great video shot of a crop duster, however the battery in my video camera died midway through the video :( oh well there is always next week! I may take a look at that Festival article next week too.--kelapstick (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- I hope you enjoy your new home and new area. When is the housewarming party and what do you want me to bring? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- I am enjoying it, not so much the hour drive to work in the morning, but it won't be so bad once I get my satellite radio hooked up in the Jeep. A bacon explosion would be an appropriate house warming gift.--kelapstick (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oops. I already got you a pikachu. I'll see if I can return it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- I am enjoying it, not so much the hour drive to work in the morning, but it won't be so bad once I get my satellite radio hooked up in the Jeep. A bacon explosion would be an appropriate house warming gift.--kelapstick (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- I hope you enjoy your new home and new area. When is the housewarming party and what do you want me to bring? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Boat
[4]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Lucifugum
Cheers for the heads-up. The whole Lucifugum issue is becoming something of a headache. For the record, I'm a fan of the band, but they clearly don't meet WP:MUSIC. The behaviour of Black Pauk1488 is becoming somewhat disruptive... I posted some concerns on Drmies talk page here. I'm not entirely sure how to proceed, although I do feel they are becoming disruptive. Suggestions? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well the whole issue came back after the page got moved back by pauk into article space (via an inappropriate copy/paste) after Fabrictramp (an excellent admin/editor with whom I have worked with before) userfied the page in good faith. Pauk was given specific instructions not to move it back until it was improved, which he chose to ignore. So Fabrictramp nominated it for speedy deletion as recreated material following a deletion discussion, however since he is now involved in the whole situation (compounded by the suggestion by pauk that he endorses the page as it sits now, regardless of the fact that an administrators endorsement really means squat) he can't be the one to delete it. I think that we should wait until the speedy deletion plays out, it will get deleted, hopefully salted, and keep an eye on pauk's (et. al.) contributions, User:Black pauk1488/Lucifugum should be put up at WP:MfD (citing the multiple recreations) since he just copies and pastes from there to the mainspace, but I think that userspace content has a tougher time than mainspace stuff, but maybe. In my experience dealing with situations like this, the best way to deal with it is explain to the offending party clearly (not easy for me) and calmly your points. Policy speaks for itself in AfD discussions and on talk pages. Users who are Hell-Bent for Election that they are right and everyone else is wrong tend not to listen anyway (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cal Con where we are told that we should keep an article about a Calgary gaming convention that hasn't even received local coverage since it's inception 10 years ago or else we will come off looking like elitists). I find that once you have said your piece, it is best to ignore them as they always have to have the last word, and it is just a waste of time arguing the same points. Anyway the pages are on my watchlist and if I can help in anyway just ask. --kelapstick (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
trivia record?
This here, I_Am…_Tour#Additional_notes, is the longest list of trivia I've seen in a long time. I'm tempted to go in and simply delete it--and start an edit war with every Beyonce fan in the world. Why don't you go and delete it? You're a nice guy and can do these things! ;) Drmies (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- Speaking of trivia (OK, that's lousy--can't think of a smooth transition right now), did you ever think about this? I'd vote for you. Drmies (talk) 05:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- That's not really that long a section, but it should be cut. It's all original research, and really just an indiscriminate collection of information. As for RFA, I have never really given it serious though, but I would probably accept if I was nominated. If nothing else an RfA gives you a good indication of what you are doing wrong/right around here. I don't think you should give up on corn tortillas, we had them (toasted) with bacon, egg and tomato...awesome. --kelapstick (talk) 14:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Maple bacon donut
Once this article got moved into my user space (and I tried to give it back but you deleted where you used to have it...) you stopped working on it. How do I give it back so it becomes your responsibility to finish it? [5]ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- In other sad news, apparently there was a push by one editor to redirect Luther Burger to Hamburger...What is the world coming to?--kelapstick (talk) 22:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
- Would a "Lutheran Burger" be some kind of hotdish served with a jello salad instead of fries? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Good luck on your RfA Kelapstick. Being that it's now officially B-Day, I've moved my Bacon Challenge 2009 article creations from my userspace to mainspace. In order for all of the article to qualify as created the same day I think you have to do the same, or let me know if you're busy and you want me to do it as I am more than happy to do it. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- What is more important than B-Day? see:
- Bacon martini
- Mitch Morgan
- Turkey bacon
- Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich - with Elvis sandwich redirecting.
- Also I checked maple bacon donut, it qualifies. Cheers! --kelapstick (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Would a "Lutheran Burger" be some kind of hotdish served with a jello salad instead of fries? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I just now saw you responded on Doc's page. Cheerios! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
In other (sad? exciting) news
Drmies (talk) 04:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- I have a lot of questions I want to ask. Should I wait until it goes live? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know. You should know how this works! Drmies (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well it's live now baby...so the point is moot...Nice question Doc!--kelapstick (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know. You should know how this works! Drmies (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Cal Con
The AFD for Cal Con, which you participated in, was recently closed as no consensus. I have requested a deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 May 26#Cal Con. -- Whpq (talk) 18:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure you mean this to be transcluded? The questions are not answered . . . . Cheers, Dlohcierekim 19:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- When does it get transcluded, I read one that says transclude after accepting, the other says answer the questions than transclude, do I wait until all the questions are answered or just the first three? --kelapstick (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Answers should be on before transclusion. People will use lack of answers as grounds to oppose. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 19:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- OK, well I am working on them now, at least the first three plus one. Thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 19:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Answers should be on before transclusion. People will use lack of answers as grounds to oppose. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 19:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. Still not clear on what area you are most interested in fro Q1. I think some words or a phrase did not make it. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Synergy untranscluded, so you have time. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, --kelapstick (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Synergy untranscluded, so you have time. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- U R welcome. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
email sent. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 01:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
K, after rereading one of your comments, it seemed that you may have been saying you had to take your kiddo in for a blood test? I hope everything's okay and you're all in good health. Doc tells me bacon is a cure all, if that helps anything. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Do not worry, All is well. Just some tests, I tried to give him bacon, he hasn't taken to it yet.. Too bad.--kelapstick (talk) 03:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Elvis Sandwich
I take it you are responsible for the removal of the Elvis Sandwich article and the creation of a generic one? Elvis' cook's recipe book makes no mention of the bacon that riddles the article. The reference I've looked at states "Elvis favourite, apparently". Thedarxide (talk) 06:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting! I added a "supposedly" until we can sort it out. I'm finding some sources that do suggest he ate it even more directly than those in the article. This one [6] for example (and again in that same book very directly on page 256). And I haven't had a close look but this one says he ate 286 in one sitting. So perhaps it's satirical (upon further inspection it is most definitely a satirical number). We'll have to get to the bottom of the issue. You think he ate PBB sandwiches and has unfairly been associated with the PBBB sandwich? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Like I said, the recipe book that his cook has written is available at Graceland. The recipe was on the old article. I am not happy with the hi-jacking of the Elvis Sandwich article for some stupid bacon related crusade@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight/Baconchallenge2009 Thedarxide (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hi Thedarxide, I will explain my justification for the redirect. The last version before I redirected only consisted of explaining that the sandwich was a favorite of Elvis, was fried and had peanut butter, bananas and sometimes bacon, it then went on to say it was easy to make and gave the recipe. As the version before the redirect was only three lines, with two of them being the recipe, and the sandwich and its association with Elvis is covered in Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich I felt that the redirect was appropriate. Perhaps it should be noted in the PBBB article that in the cookbook available at Graceland the recipe did not include bacon, but do not discount the reliable sources that say the sandwich he ate (or at least a sandwich called "The Elvis", which in my eyes is the same as an "Elvis sandwich") does include bacon (I am willing to assume that he would have eaten both). If you feel that a fried sandwich that consists of peanut butter, bananas and only sometimes bacon can be considered independent of a Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich, than feel free to revert my redirect. Or of you feel it more appropriate you are also welcome to edit "The sandwich and Elvis" section of the PBBB article as you feel is appropriate.
- Aside from content issues, I would appreciate it if you would not to refer to the Bacon Challenge as "some stupid bacon related crusade", it is a collaboration by multiple experienced editors who enjoy writing articles related to bacon, and having them appear in the DYK section of the main page. It is no less valid than any collaboration of the week done by any WikiProject, and calling it a stupid crusade is a tad on the rude side. Cheers and happy editing. --kelapstick (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm leaning towards agreeing with Thedarxide that there is a problem. The evidence that he ate this particular sandwich with bacon is pretty thin, even though it's hard to prove a negative. The "reliable" source I provided was written in 2004 and says the sandwiches had sliced banana in one place and mashed banana in the other. Most of the other sources I can find suggest he ate a peanut butter and banana sandwich that was fried in either butter or bacon fat, and the sandwich is discussed indirectly elsewhere with regards to any connection between bacon, Elvis, and peanut butter and banana sandwiches. It's an interesting issue that involves the metting of history and legend. It seems entirely consistent with the symbolism and larger than life status Elvis has attained. Even sandwiches he may never have eaten have been ascribed to him. I suggest we try to clarify that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and include a note about the possible use of bacon fat in the pan. This will be difficult without engaging in OR and synth. It's also tricky because "The Elvis" seems to have come to include bacon, so perhaps a split off of a peanut butter and banana sandwich would be the way to go? This is one of the most difficult issues I've faced because there don't seem to be any clear answers. Those participating in stupid bacon related crusades must be dedicated to Truth! Long live bacon!!! Long live Elvis!!!!!ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well an "Elvis sandwich" carries on many forms, depending on where it is prepared, it is not just a sandwich that Elvis ate, and most of the time (at least outside of Graceland) it has bacon. If you want to take away the strict association with Elvis at PBBB that's fine, CoM you are the one that added it anyway (weren't you?) I was more about the Michael Bloomberg connection. But I still think the redirect should stand, with a bit of the Graceland cookbook mentioned, however since there are no incline citations and the references are all offline, I can't tell what came from where.--kelapstick (talk) 16:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yes. I am the one who is responsible for this controversy. And yes, I agree that the Elvis sandwich is not just about PBB. So I think the clarification you suggested noting that the PBBB recipe is not included in the cookbook written by Elvis's cook is very reasonable. But resolving the situation in that way will eliminate most or all of the drama, and being that we're dealing with Elvis and bacon, I think there should be some drama involved. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well an "Elvis sandwich" carries on many forms, depending on where it is prepared, it is not just a sandwich that Elvis ate, and most of the time (at least outside of Graceland) it has bacon. If you want to take away the strict association with Elvis at PBBB that's fine, CoM you are the one that added it anyway (weren't you?) I was more about the Michael Bloomberg connection. But I still think the redirect should stand, with a bit of the Graceland cookbook mentioned, however since there are no incline citations and the references are all offline, I can't tell what came from where.--kelapstick (talk) 16:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm leaning towards agreeing with Thedarxide that there is a problem. The evidence that he ate this particular sandwich with bacon is pretty thin, even though it's hard to prove a negative. The "reliable" source I provided was written in 2004 and says the sandwiches had sliced banana in one place and mashed banana in the other. Most of the other sources I can find suggest he ate a peanut butter and banana sandwich that was fried in either butter or bacon fat, and the sandwich is discussed indirectly elsewhere with regards to any connection between bacon, Elvis, and peanut butter and banana sandwiches. It's an interesting issue that involves the metting of history and legend. It seems entirely consistent with the symbolism and larger than life status Elvis has attained. Even sandwiches he may never have eaten have been ascribed to him. I suggest we try to clarify that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and include a note about the possible use of bacon fat in the pan. This will be difficult without engaging in OR and synth. It's also tricky because "The Elvis" seems to have come to include bacon, so perhaps a split off of a peanut butter and banana sandwich would be the way to go? This is one of the most difficult issues I've faced because there don't seem to be any clear answers. Those participating in stupid bacon related crusades must be dedicated to Truth! Long live bacon!!! Long live Elvis!!!!!ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Like I said, the recipe book that his cook has written is available at Graceland. The recipe was on the old article. I am not happy with the hi-jacking of the Elvis Sandwich article for some stupid bacon related crusade@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChildofMidnight/Baconchallenge2009 Thedarxide (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
In the first question of your RfA you gave two examples of admin backlog of image categories, yet you only have 11 edits to the File namespace. If you become an admin, you might want to get some more experience with that namespace first. One way to do that would be moving images to Commons as I suggested to FingersOnRoids here.--Rockfang (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip and I appreciate (and will take) the advice. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 15:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
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Weekend
How are you holding up good sir? I hope you have a lovely weekend. There is no greater joy than unpacking after a move, eh? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- I am holding up fine I suppose. Luckily we were about 90% unpacked (we did a major purge of property when we left Canada and it makes moving far easier) and and we were able to finish cleaning the old place this week (procrastination, not excessive dirt) and I got the rest of the stuff out of the garage (it's a long process when you have to bring two boxes at a time in the back of a Jeep) so we are just about FINISHED. We have to go to Carson City on Saturday and I am not looking forward to it, but what can you do I suppose. On the bright side maybe I will eat at Doppelgangers, I think I read a good review of that place once but have never eaten there. --kelapstick (talk) 17:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Question 12
Did you mean "I do not think it is necessary to permanently recuse myself from using admin tools on mining related articles as I am able to be impartial with their use (for example I would not protect a page to prevent an editor from adding content I was in disagreement with)" Bongomatic 21:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Whoops, thanks Bongo, I should troutslap myself for that! Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Bacon martini
I see I'm not listed as a creator of the article at DYK. Would you mind if I added myself in? (Some people are very touchy about credits.) Shubinator (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Not at All, please add yourself. An honest oversight, CoM was adding a lot of DYKs, I can see how it could be missed. kelapstick (talk) 01:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- I went over them, but not to check for that kind of thing--just for hooks, references and, of course, commas. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- No worries. Just caught it going into the queues. Shubinator (talk) 02:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- I went over them, but not to check for that kind of thing--just for hooks, references and, of course, commas. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Eh...favor?
K-stick, you're purty smart and all...I would like a picture from Flickr added to Seed swap--do you know how to arrange that? Drmies (talk) 02:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- yeah but probably not till monday, but it is easy to do at the commons.--kelapstick (talk) 02:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry Doc, no can do. It doesn't have the correct licensing. Not for commercial use. Gonna have to find another or take one yourself. When you are searching for a picture do an advanced search and check creative commons box and the two other boxes that become available when you do, commrcial and I can't remember the other, modify I think. Hope this helps. kelapstick (talk) 03:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK for Turkey bacon
Dravecky (talk) 02:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Copyvios
You seem like an experienced editor, so I won't paste the boilerplate template here. In any case, copyvios such as the ones at Cortez Gold Mine and Batu Hijau mine are unacceptable. BuddingJournalist 02:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- No worries. Hopefully, this will be a good learning experience for you. BuddingJournalist 03:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
RFA unsuccessful (withdrawn)
Per your request, your RFA has been closed as "Withdrawn". Please take the discussion to heart and work on any issues brought up. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know and I'll see what I can do to help you. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Kudos on the impressive level of support you received in your RfA candidacy and for doing the right thing when an area of concern was identified. I'm sorry you won't be able to block Doc for a while. But all good things in time. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- If you want to take up my offer (posted to RfA talk), please contact me. Echoing ChildofMidnight's kudos: it'd be an honor to support your next RfA once the concerns are handled. Best wishes, DurovaCharge! 04:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you both, overall I feel pretty good. Nobody opposed because I was an asshole or mistreated them so that was nice to hear. As I said to Drmies, an RfA lets you know what you are doing right and wrong around here, and that is exactly what happened in this case, so while the note at the top says unsuccessful, in my eyes it is a success as there will be both article and editor improvement. I also hope that any other editors who were watching learn from my mistakes and take the opportunity to improve themselves. I am unsure if I will make another run in the future as I have a feeling that in six months I will not have the time to both edit and make an effective admin but time will tell. Also interesting to note is nobody opposed me for my excessive use of commas.--kelapstick (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Dear Kelapstick, it's not the abundance of commas, it's the lack of semicolons. I'm somewhat shocked, honestly. For me, the essence of plagiarism is the lack of attribution (I've made this point elsewhere, on Ottava Rima's talk page), and WP:Plagiarism seems to support me there. There is no hard and fast guideline for paraphrasing; the "three-word rule" that Rima referred to is not written down anywhere, as far as I know. (And Rima did not specifically address my concerns, as far as I know.) BuddingJournalist may have identified some passages that were too close to the source for comfort, but neither they nor Durova, with all due respect, have exactly identified what kind of rule decides between proper and improper paraphrasing and citing, or how that would constitute plagiarism if the source is given. I wonder if any of them are prepared to clarify this in, or add to, WP:Plagiarism--all that it offers is a footnote to Diane Hacker's style guide. (There's one section on the talk page which seems to support my relatively liberal reading.) I have that in my office and will look at it after the weekend; still, I note that Hacker's is only one of many guides, and it's not necessarily the gold standard. As CoM suggested, I think, this needs to be clarified.
I'm tremendously sorry that you felt forced to withdraw, but you strike me as someone who will take the high road. Enjoy your beer. Have a Mitch Morgan. I'm having one too, and will come back to editing later. This whole process has disturbed me a bit. Later, Drmies (talk) 05:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Response at User talk:Drmies BuddingJournalist 06:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Dear Kelapstick, it's not the abundance of commas, it's the lack of semicolons. I'm somewhat shocked, honestly. For me, the essence of plagiarism is the lack of attribution (I've made this point elsewhere, on Ottava Rima's talk page), and WP:Plagiarism seems to support me there. There is no hard and fast guideline for paraphrasing; the "three-word rule" that Rima referred to is not written down anywhere, as far as I know. (And Rima did not specifically address my concerns, as far as I know.) BuddingJournalist may have identified some passages that were too close to the source for comfort, but neither they nor Durova, with all due respect, have exactly identified what kind of rule decides between proper and improper paraphrasing and citing, or how that would constitute plagiarism if the source is given. I wonder if any of them are prepared to clarify this in, or add to, WP:Plagiarism--all that it offers is a footnote to Diane Hacker's style guide. (There's one section on the talk page which seems to support my relatively liberal reading.) I have that in my office and will look at it after the weekend; still, I note that Hacker's is only one of many guides, and it's not necessarily the gold standard. As CoM suggested, I think, this needs to be clarified.
- Thank you both, overall I feel pretty good. Nobody opposed because I was an asshole or mistreated them so that was nice to hear. As I said to Drmies, an RfA lets you know what you are doing right and wrong around here, and that is exactly what happened in this case, so while the note at the top says unsuccessful, in my eyes it is a success as there will be both article and editor improvement. I also hope that any other editors who were watching learn from my mistakes and take the opportunity to improve themselves. I am unsure if I will make another run in the future as I have a feeling that in six months I will not have the time to both edit and make an effective admin but time will tell. Also interesting to note is nobody opposed me for my excessive use of commas.--kelapstick (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- If you want to take up my offer (posted to RfA talk), please contact me. Echoing ChildofMidnight's kudos: it'd be an honor to support your next RfA once the concerns are handled. Best wishes, DurovaCharge! 04:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Kelapstick, your gracious response to this situation really leaves a very good impression. In two or three months, with the one issue squarely behind you, it'll be a pleasure to help support your next bid for the mop. DurovaCharge! 16:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Dear Kelapstick, I discovered your RfA too late to comment and I was even more disappointed to find out how you was pushed to withdraw your nomination. However, if you plan your next RfA, please let me know – I don't want again to miss the opportunity to support your RfA. Beagel (talk) 17:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)