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Yeah, sorry about that. I've got anger management issues. -- [[User:Ketchup krew|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="3.5" color="crimson">''''' Ketchup Krew '''''</font>]]<font color = "black"><sup>'''''[[User talk:Ketchup krew | Heinz 57!]]'''''</sup></font> 19:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC) |
Yeah, sorry about that. I've got anger management issues. -- [[User:Ketchup krew|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="3.5" color="crimson">''''' Ketchup Krew '''''</font>]]<font color = "black"><sup>'''''[[User talk:Ketchup krew | Heinz 57!]]'''''</sup></font> 19:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC) |
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I thought CSD doesn't apply after a failed XfD? At any rate, I fully agree with your sentiment, so please go ahead and delete it. [[User:Dorftrottel#DT|'''D'''or'''<!-- -->ft'''ro'''tt'''el]] ([[User talk:Dorftrottel|bait]]) 22:16, [[March 18]], 200<!--DT-->8 |
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For closing the ANI thread here!
RfA
Hey Keep - just wanted to say, away from the drama, that you shouldn't fret over the outcome of my RfA. I sort of saw this coming - you gave me a chance to convince you over the past few weeks, but other editors didn't get that chance. We were shooting for a May RfA in the first place, that'd probably be a good spot to come back if/when this one fails. The only thing I'm disappointed in is how I seem, for some reason, to be being treated differently than other users. Not a single comment on the coaching page? Wow. My use of "show preview" is killing me; apparently the thing to do is to actually make more edits solely to pump up the project/mainspace editcount. Sigh. Anyways, you've been a fantastic coach, and if we don't get it now, we'll get it in May. Like I thought while making coffee this morning, it's not like I can't contribute to Wiki in the meantime. Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Remember the part in coaching about having thick skin and good humor? You have proven to me without a doubt that you have both, and in larger quantities than I. I most certainly did not see this coming, and I'm angry at myself for that. If it was my own RfA that was getting these comments, sobeit. But I put you there and I'm shocked at the out-of-process approach that seems to be unfolding. No extra questions? Sockpuppet "jokes?" Holy shit, I'm disappointed. I've looked through the concurrent RfAs. Poeloq has a very similar background and experience level as you. He has 20 friggin questions, including joke questions about how many questions he has. And he has support. I'm taking the rest of the day off of this place. I just can't believe how you're being treated and I'm glad you're taking it way better than me.
- And the problem I have with "waiting until May" is exactly what you said. It's just pumping up your edit count. You don't need any more coaching. You already get it. It's busywork at this point for both of us and simply delaying the inevitable. Keep doing what you do well, though Dan. Use "show preview". Keep your edits clean. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, you'll get new opposes "in May" that say you have too many mainspace edits and need to use "show preview."
- I need to be done with this place today. (but I'll probably peak at your RfA now and then, I'm a glutton for punishment:-) Cheers friend, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, don't go too far. I'm riding at 65%, and if I can get some questions in there to prove my mettle, we might have an outside chance at this. Not that many people have voted yet (20?) and if we can get some stuff up at the top that overrides oppositional concern.... think Harry Truman ;-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Canvassing has never been more tempting to me than it is right now. :-) Thanks for your continued good humor and optimism. I won't go far. :-) -Keep 16:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, don't go too far. I'm riding at 65%, and if I can get some questions in there to prove my mettle, we might have an outside chance at this. Not that many people have voted yet (20?) and if we can get some stuff up at the top that overrides oppositional concern.... think Harry Truman ;-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- That last oppositional vote is the most frustrating kind. Tanthalas39 (talk) 19:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- The last one? How 'bout the last two. Both new users. I trust the 'crats though. Those two "votes" are both good faith, but both clueless oppositions. Both piss me right off. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Pedro's endorsement was huge. Things could still work out! Tanthalas39 (talk) 20:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Pedro is one of the best and most prolific RfA not-voters, and I knew he would come around. He is thoughtful, precise, and usually spot-on. In other words, certainly doesn't hurt! 6 days to go, my friend. 6 days...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Pedro's endorsement was huge. Things could still work out! Tanthalas39 (talk) 20:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- That IP edit one apparently just wasn't logged on... they changed it, then you came and screwed it all up ;-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 23:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- It's a valid support, but they need to log in. Haven't seen that yet, but I'm going offline at the moment until tomorrow. Fix it if/when he/she logs in. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- The last one? How 'bout the last two. Both new users. I trust the 'crats though. Those two "votes" are both good faith, but both clueless oppositions. Both piss me right off. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Good thing we got some questions in the mix yesterday. Things are looking up. Tanthalas39 (talk) 14:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- 75% at the moment. No matter the outcome at this point (and I'm pretty sure you'll pass), I feel a ton better about the structure of your RfA. You've done an absolutely terrific job of answering questions. You're getting a fair shake, which is all I wanted for you (or to use a really bad baseball analogy - you can't hit a homerun unless someone pitches you the ball.) Cheers editor, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- Sigh. This JayJay thing might sink me. While I still don't think I did anything wrong, I have learned something - be EXTREMELY careful with the whole homeopathy arena. Tanthalas39 (talk) 18:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- You didn't do anything wrong, you did what I said you should do in coaching, namely get involved in AN and ANI. For me, I usually TEN FOOT POLE anything related to homeopathy. It's become very feudal (meaning nobody even remembers the roots of the conflict, but just knows there's conflict) It's conflict for conflict's sake. Ironically, his advice is rather contridictory. He says get more involved in controversial AN and ANI threads. As if that would help you make less enemies. Good grief. FWIW, and I'll admit a bias here, your thread at ANI was harmless and well spoken. Your answers to his loaded questions were well stated, civil, and succinct. JayJay is a well respected editor and has put thought into his good faith oppose, I obviously disagree with him. DIYDDIYD. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- This whole debacle has made me loath to log on to Wiki in the morning. I'm not going to post it on there, but his motion of "good faith" is pretty much flat-out wrong. Learn from what? I think I made it perfectly clear what my intentions were, and I'm not apologizing for them. It wasn't a lack of experience on my part, it was differing opinions. Forgive me for making an observational warning on a meta page.
- You didn't do anything wrong, you did what I said you should do in coaching, namely get involved in AN and ANI. For me, I usually TEN FOOT POLE anything related to homeopathy. It's become very feudal (meaning nobody even remembers the roots of the conflict, but just knows there's conflict) It's conflict for conflict's sake. Ironically, his advice is rather contridictory. He says get more involved in controversial AN and ANI threads. As if that would help you make less enemies. Good grief. FWIW, and I'll admit a bias here, your thread at ANI was harmless and well spoken. Your answers to his loaded questions were well stated, civil, and succinct. JayJay is a well respected editor and has put thought into his good faith oppose, I obviously disagree with him. DIYDDIYD. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'm going to stop checking it every half hour, it just frustrates me. The lack of experience oppositions were one thing, this one is another. I should really keep doing what I do best, anyway, for the moment. Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- I hear ya, Tan. Don't get too discouraged. It is a difference of opinion, as you said, nothing more. It's not over yet, keep your head high. BTW Carl von Donop looks great! Nice work. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'm going to stop checking it every half hour, it just frustrates me. The lack of experience oppositions were one thing, this one is another. I should really keep doing what I do best, anyway, for the moment. Tanthalas39 (talk) 15:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- Hey Keep - can you let me know if this post to Tim Vicker's talk page was appropriate? My motives were completely well-intentioned, I just want a second opinion... Tanthalas39 (talk) 23:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
- I think that was absolutely fine. Well worded and simply asking for clarification. I don't foresee anyone having a problem with it. Canvassing would be sending multiple copy/paste messages about your Rfa to editors that haven't participated yet. Actually, I probably would have gone there myself had I not been fast asleep. I already have asked for clarification/expansion/revisiting from three other editors on your behalf - pedro, wisdom39 and balloonman. :) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
RfA - Discospinster
Thank you so much for your support in my RfA, which was successful with a final count of 70/1/1! ... discospinster talk 23:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Please deal with me as a human. Heavy handed responses to real issues do not solve anything. They only get worse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.210.167 (talk) 03:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Re: AFD
I relisted this AFD because it was in an old AFD category. By relisting it, it would draw more comments and participation in the discussion. I didn't see any recent discussion, so I relisted it, as well as a couple other AFD's, as you can see in my contributions. Were these a mistake as well? I can only learn the process and guidelines by trail and error. Dustitalk to me 16:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Just to check, I am closing Custodi di quella fede as a keep. Is this correct? Dustitalk to me 16:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- I am just doing what my Admin coach wants me to do, which is close obvious AFD's. To me, that is where there is an obvious outcome (such as in the last AFD I closed) where say 6 people say Keep and 1 says Delete. Now, I am not going anywhere near anything closer than that. I feel I am asked to close some of these because of recent incidences (sigh) and to gain an understanding of the RFD process for when I do go back to RFA. I know your weary of me doing this, but how about we do this. If you wish, compile me a list of AFD's you would like me to review and let me tell you my opinion on the way it should be closed. If it is a keep (after I tell you and you OK it) then I will close it as such. Somewhat of an exercise to help me better understand the AFD process. What do you say? Dustitalk to me 17:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Non Admin AFD Closures
Here's the list you requested
Actually, I think these are the only non admin closures avaliable to close in this log. Clock's ticking :) LOL J/K, waiting for reply. Dustitalk to me 17:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Sure, let me close these first and then I will come back with more. Question, why wouldn't the two "List...." links work right? Dustitalk to me 17:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- Question #2, shouldn't articles that are relisted be relisted on the current day's AFD log? If so, then why on March 7th are there artilces that were relisted today? Understand my question? Here's some help:
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7#Andok's Lechon
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7#Dig Safe System
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7#Ang Kabanalbanalan
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7#Oasis Entertainment
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7#Crimson_Daffodil
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7#Satyagrahi
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7#David Belton
Maybe I read it wrong, but Wikipedia:Deletion_Process#Articles_for_Deletion_page #8 says.."If not enough discussion happened to determine a consensus or lack thereof add {{subst:relist|~~~~}} below the last comment and relist the AFD subpage on the listings for the current date. Remove the AFD listing from the log for the original date (if the debate is left on the old log, the "ready for closing" list at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old is broken).
- :-) Small Celebration here. I feel better. I was confused as I was going through and saw that and was like huh? The first thing I did was to see if it was an admin or not and saw it was an admin and thought, well- maybe I missed something. I did something right again....wow. I'm working on your next list. Dustitalk to me 18:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- I see no more in the older logs (between 5 and 7 days old) that are Clear cut cases of consensus being reached in a keep decision. Plenty of deletes, but none otherwise. There are a couple that are like say 11/1 but the 1 is what's holding me back (I don't want to go there). Thanks for your help. I'm going to do some coaching with Fabrictramp. Again, thanks Dustitalk to me 18:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
- :-) Small Celebration here. I feel better. I was confused as I was going through and saw that and was like huh? The first thing I did was to see if it was an admin or not and saw it was an admin and thought, well- maybe I missed something. I did something right again....wow. I'm working on your next list. Dustitalk to me 18:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Barnstar
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
For being there in a blink of an eye to help me and revert my mistakes. Your kindness has not only kept me here, but also sane!!!! Thanks Keeper. Your one of a kind Dustitalk to me 18:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
Re:ANI user
I'd love to topic ban him from Wikipedia-space proposals and template creations. The hours wasted by some of our most productive editors in debating his endless Bad Ideas! I was involved earlier and have tracked the situation from a birdseye view, but have given up saying "No, that idea is against the purpose of the Project" 20 times a day. MBisanz talk 19:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Comparision of desktop search software, deletion of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Comparision_of_desktop_search_software
"The deletion rationale, that this is synthesis writing, combined with the lack of reliable independent sources, outweigh the only given keep rationale of other lists exist." The other comparisons/lists could just as easily be nominated for deletion if necessary. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)"
1) There are other synthesis articles in wikipedia.
2) Some of those other synthesis articles lack even more reliable independent sources than this article that was deleted.
3) How can it outweight if there are articles in "worse" condition?!!!
4) What exactly is the "if necessary"???
Why don't "admins" realize that these articles are important and usefull to a lot of people? Why is there such a lack of fairness and good faith in moderators here? Was it just bad luck in the moderators? How can I ask for the deletion be revised by other moderators/admins... hopefully more pragmatic...
Thank you.
The.real.monkey.d.luffy (talk) 11:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you disagree with the decision I made. You are more than welcome to find other "moderators" to review this deletion. It is a venue called deletion review. Best of luck to you. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Notifying of move to Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts)
Per comments on the talk page, I have moved the guideline into project space for wider discussion. Just letting you know as a contributor to this page Fritzpoll (talk) 16:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
AfD decision
Hi Keeper. Could you explain why you made this decision? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- I made this comment to keep on the AfD's talk page. Tanthalas39 (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Replied to User:Number 57 on his/her talk page. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Keeper. Thanks for the reply. My problem was that the closure (as you have said) seemed to be based on vote counting rather than an assessment of the reasons given - I didn't see any reference to policy in the keep votes, only the delete ones. This identical AfD was closed as delete a few days earlier for the same reason. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Twins ubx
I created a userbox for the Twins project, and I was wondering if you would like to see it. Here is the link. Basketball110 04:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks B110! I like it better than the other, so I switched to using yours on my userpage. Nice work, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Deletion of Boy Wonder (rapper)
Dear Keeper76,
What is the reason my entry on the rapper Boy Wonder got deleted?
And could i get a copy of the deleted article?
Kind regards,
Daniel van Breda —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thadrax (talk • contribs) 16:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Another List
Wanted to run these by you....
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_13#Spotsylvania County Public Schools
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_13#Sterling Tower
- Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_13#Muckross Park College
What do you think? Dustitalk to me 17:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Done, looking better?!?! Dustitalk to me 17:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Done, thanks for that reminder. How am I looking? 3/3 that's better than the old count lol. Dustitalk to me 17:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! I am looking at a couple of months maybe for the next RFA, just absorbing as much as I can and taking a deep breath. Can you explain the script thing to me that Camaron left on my talk page. I don't use those, but it sounds useful. Dustitalk to me 17:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'll check into it. Again thanks. Any words of wisdom today? Dustitalk to me 18:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Again, thanks Dustitalk to me 18:28, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Your quote list
I just stumbled across it—hilarious! -- Avi (talk) 18:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Glad you liked it. I would assume you are now making it a personal goal to say something particularly witty to earn a place in history....oh, and BTW, I just replied to you at WT:RFA. cheers kind editor, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
RFA thanks
Thanks for the support | ||
Thanks for your support on my request for adminship. It passed 92/2/2, and I hope to live up to the community's expectation (particularly yours). ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC) |
Hey coach
Hey Keeper. Looks like we got caught short this time, but given a little more experience to convince the recent opposition, I'm sure I'll be issued the mop in a few months. I'm really not disappointed in not being an admin - I admit that it's a little disconcerting that some people thought I would actually be bad for Wikipedia, but I'm sure most people will see in time that all I have is Wikipedia's higher goals in mind. Plus, in the meantime, I can keep working on some projects. Anyway, I'd really like to keep working with you - I don't want to take up all your time, but if you could throw me some "assignments" to work on, and you give your opinions at the end, I would really appreciate that. I'm going to ask Balloonman, who was my main opposition (and piece de resistance to my RfA) the same thing. Maybe we can spawn some good debates/discussions around here on some of the finer aspects of Wikipedia policy. Or, maybe if I just can come up with a cooler sig... ;-) Tanthalas39 (talk) 02:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, again, I truly value(d) your coaching, and especially your enthusiastic support.
Greetings
How is today? Could you check into the comment left on my talkpage about the AFD I closed yesterday? Dustitalk to me 17:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Wow, um..... This has just been a great week so far. Dustitalk to me 18:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again!
Well thanks for the info, and yes I did send you a cookie, maybe that was why I was in your watchlist. The AfD I closed was a speedy deleted article which was in my watchlist, and I did that more for housecleaning than anything else. If I made a mistake sorry, won't do it again! Wildthing61476 (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
personal attack
Yeah, sorry about that. I've got anger management issues. -- Ketchup Krew Heinz 57! 19:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
scream
I thought CSD doesn't apply after a failed XfD? At any rate, I fully agree with your sentiment, so please go ahead and delete it. Dorftrottel (bait) 22:16, March 18, 2008