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::My own stake in this? 2 things: I don't like to see people bullied, and I think it is part of a climate in parts of Wikipedia that can be especially unwelcoming to women and to certain ethnic groups. [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 20:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC) |
::My own stake in this? 2 things: I don't like to see people bullied, and I think it is part of a climate in parts of Wikipedia that can be especially unwelcoming to women and to certain ethnic groups. [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 20:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Again, I don't want to push you too hard into an RFC, but if you are feeling intimidated out of doing the right thing in the future, it would seem to me to be the way to proceed. I haven't crossed paths with you before, but looking at this user talk page suggests that you are someone we should want here. There are other ways to air the grievance, including a note on [[WP:AN|the Administrators' notice board]], but those won't get the attention of the people whose behavior is bothering you. |
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I'm at work right now and have given this all the attention I really can during the workday. If you want a place to talk and strategize, you might try the #wikipedia channel on IRC. And if you have focused questions for me, feel free, but it will be a bit until I can properly focus on this. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 21:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Thank you
I want to thank you for the work you've done on the Assyrian genocide. Chaldean 03:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
It appears to be from a book: [1]. BTW, I wanted to give you this:
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The Working (Wo)man's Barnstar | |
KarenAnn is awarded this barnstar for her incredible work in the past few days copyediting articles. Good job! —Khoikhoi 02:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC) |
Cheers! —Khoikhoi 02:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikification of Agios Nikolaos (Sithonia, Greece)
Dear KarenAnn, thank you very much for the wikification of aforementioned article. Greetings, --Christaras A 13:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Reinforcement
The problem with Reinforcement is that people keep butchering the article. I hadn't looked at it for a while until your comment turned up on my watchlist, and I was shocked at how the article has been eviscerated. In at least two versions of the page there were complete descriptions of reinforcement schedules. Unless you can suggest some way in which the article could be protected I ain't touching it any more. John FitzGerald 14:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. I hadn't thought the remark was directed at me. It's just that this sort of article history seems to be a serious problem here. But maybe I'll work on my patience and then try to fix it up. John FitzGerald 00:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Circeus has reverted to an earlier version, so that's a start.
Neutral zone
Yeah, that's cool, just a redirect in the talk page that needed deleting, the kind of redirect that's just designed to confuse people. Driller thriller 23:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: Van Uprising
I know that I overreacted and I apologize. I'm concentrating on getting my deletion entry removed now. --Clevelander 20:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Your AfD nomination for Identify software
- Yes, you've basically got it right. Let me just quickly sum up the process for you, so you can refer to it again later here if necessary. First you place {{subst:afd1}} on the page you're nominating. This puts the "Nominated for deletion" box on the page. Then you click the red link in that box to go to that article's nomination rationale (it won't exist yet, so you're creating it) and add the tag {{subst:afd2 | pg=Page Name | text=Your explanation}} to it, plus four tildes (~~~~) to sign the page. Then you go that day's AfD log (again, there is a link in the box on the page of the article you're nominating) and add the final {{subst:afd3 | pg=Page Name}} tag, which automatically lists it and any changes made to the justification page (like other people's votes and comments) get updated on the log page automatically. The steps have to be followed in that order, or you get strange things happening. It's a little convoluted, I know - probably one of the most complicated things a normal Wikipedian is likely to do - but there are always people on the lookout for anyone who slips up. I should know - I did my first AfD nomination a couple of weeks ago and made the exact same mistake you did, and someone else spotted it, checked my edit history (as I did yours) and pointed me in the right direction. I'm just paying the good deed forward. Anyway, keep up the sterling work you've been doing so far on Wikipedia! ~ Matticus78 17:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well anyway, I'm going to try out this script that's available on Wikipedia that semi-automates the process by adding an "AfD" button to any page when you go into edit mode, so I'll let you know how it goes (and help you get it working for yourself if necessary).
- Also, it's a good idea to familiarise yourself with the three different deletion levels: Speedy for very obviously untenable articles (complete nonsense, ordinary people just writing about themselves, insulting articles, etc.); Prodding (short for Proposed Deletion]] for uncontroversial deletes (like blatant advertising, hoaxes, crystal balling, etc.); and of course AfD where the article is questionable but open to debate, or where a "Prod" is done first but later removed by someone else. What I've learned from watching the newly-created articles list is, when confronted with a suspect article, check if it's a candidate for Speedy Deletion first, then if it fails that, consider Prodding it, and if the Prod gets removed or you think it should be discussed first, only then should it go to AfD. It takes a little time to learn how judge a good level for Speedy, Prod or AfD, but I'm sure you'll soon get a feel for it. ~ Matticus78 19:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi KarenAnn. I wrote the above article a while ago (still unfinished pending further input from other contibutors as I haven't the patience to do it all myself). I've lost track of some of the stuff I used as reference, and I'm now trying to reference the thing. But I'm not very good at that side, how to format footnotes etc. Could you have a look at it please. Your help would be much appreciated.--Zleitzen 22:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm just asking about footnotes and referencing - technical matters, KarenAnn as I don't know how to do it and I'm usless with computers. I only know how to do external links references. I wrote the whole article as it is now some time ago, based largely on what I knew - combining a few pieces of precise info taken from internet sources - with the exeption of the recent relations area which I've left to others to compile.--Zleitzen 23:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Karen Ann, I'll take a look at what you've done and try to replicate it for future sourcing styles on articles.--Zleitzen 23:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Salento
Thank you for your last edits at Salento, this beautyful part of Italy; the article now doesn't need further wikify-ing, and I'm going to remove the template that I posted some days ago. Cheers. --Doktor Who 06:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Cuba
Thank you for your work on the Cuba page, much appreciated. --Zleitzen 00:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Freeman-Sheldon syndrome
Hey, sorry. Don't take me too seriously. I've sort of this 'under-dog syndrome.' Anyway, I'm just a student. Moreover, don't feel left out; most people don't know anything about FSS. I just have some friends, and we work on it as a little team of sorts--a surgeon, GP, medical geneticist/internist/cardiologist, and a constant flux of others. My main personal interest is actually pineal body cysts and PTSD.--MI Poling 19:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar
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Schools
Sorry you got bitten by this. Try to be thick-skinned about the criticism. For as long as I've been involved in Wikipedia (late 2003) this has been a contentious issue. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Schools as well
I don't delete any schools, since I figure there are lots of youngsters that feel their school is notable...and that way, I eliminate that amount of hassle from those begging me to restore it. Personally, I am kind of torn about the issue. I think that schools are not notable, whereby colleges and universities are. But, since this isn't a paper encyclopedia and server space is cheap, I tend towards inclusionist on schools in general. I don't think I have ever voted for one at an Afd. Now with that said, I have to say I disaprove of spamming for votes, but it is more common than not, and in many cases, users will simply email each other to avoid the overt appearance of spamming...so I'm not sure what can be done about it, in terms of eliminating it completely. It is frowned upon, and if it is severe, a block can be applied. As far as the school you nomiinated for deletion...just walk away. I can post a reminder to those that have been spamming if you wish. --MONGO 14:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that the Afd process is the most hostile environment on Wiki. As far as being overeducated...we have plenty of Phd's about...myself I have but a MS in forensic anthropology, which of course, I can't use in the real world anyway. On one article I started (Retreat of glaciers since 1850), there were three doctors, one also in Philiosophy like yourself, another in climate related issues and the third is a glaciologist...a fourth fellow also had an advanced degree. You're just hanging about in the wrong areas! The best way to enjoy wikipedia is to find an area that is benign....looking at my userpage, you'll see the vast majority of stubs I started are related to protected land areas...I rarely have any confrontations there...so when things seem blue, that's where I head off to. Pick a project to join and work on that.--MONGO 14:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The only difference between our training is that all I ever saw was dead people (sounds like a movie line), least you get to discuss things with some that are living...but forensic anthropology beats forensic pathology...skeletons are much less dramatic than flesh. I would have gone on in my field, but money was an issue, and my mentor (Ellis R. Kerley), told me that jobs were extremely rare...a professorship or even a teaching post is extremely hard to get in the anthropology field. Now, crime labs are always looking for people with advnced degrees in my field, but generally with a doctorate level. Just rememeber that the written word is one of the worst forms of communication, so it only takes a few miscues to get in a fight around these parts. Ha!:) Best wishes.--MONGO 15:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Well then I recommend you put it behind you...it's water under the bridge at this point...stay away from the Afd process if you want happiness at wikipedia...that's what I think.--MONGO 23:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, no problem...yes, I am a native Montanan, but live elsewhere now. Keep up the good work on Wikipedia.--MONGO 22:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Archiving
- Just create link to a new page (Talk:Fidel Castro/Archive_11) and start the page. I'm afraid we'll have to remove the content manually. But let's wait a bit until there is some consensus on what stays and what's going to be archived. mensch • t 22:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Hybrid references
If seen it used in some articles (featured ones as well). I still have to read the whole "manual" page, but I think it's a good idea to convert all duplicate references and point them to the same footnote. Apart from that part I don't think the method differs that much from the one you're using and I'm using, but when dealing with mulitple duplicate footnotes it's the way to go, I think. mensch • t 17:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
{{Hinduism small}}
They are called templates. They link to general content of a topic that has many articles about it. They are first made from say Template:Hinduism small. The template wording is then replaced with brackets.
Welcome to WikiProject Hinduism |
WikiProject Hinduism — a collaborative effort to improve articles about Hinduism Discussion board — a page for centralised Hinduism-related discussion Notice board — contains the latest Hinduism-related announcements Hindu Wikipedians — Wikipedians who have identified themselves as Hindus Portal — a portal linking to key Hinduism-related articles, images, and categories Workgroups — projects with a more specific scopes For more links, go to the project's navigation template. |
--D-Boy 22:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
- You're welcome.--D-Boy 23:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Re:Good to convert duplicate references & point them to the same footnote.
I don't know how to use the hybrid referencing I'm afraid. I'll have to look into it and try it out somewhere first when I have more time. The whole Teemu situation is funny and disturbing at the same time. I think he might get banned or something eventually if he continues his endless attempts to create polls about discussion trees on the Castro talk page. mensch • t 13:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sandbox
Given the horrendous problems of working on the Fidel Castro page and Teemu's continued activity, would you be interested on working on a sandbox version with Mensch and myself. Away from the main page. We could hone down individual sections, then replace each of them in a careful appropriate manner. --Zleitzen 13:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
See:User:Zleitzen/Fidel Castro Sandbox--Zleitzen 15:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Bats
I saw your name on one of the bat articles, and wonder if you can take a look at The belching bat. Is it the total nonsense I think it is, or is this a nickname for an actual species? Fan-1967 18:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Illegitimi non carborundum
If you wish to start an RFC over the ridiculous accusations of bad faith against you at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School, do let me know. Clearly you were acting in good faith, and clearly the article as it stood at the time you nominated it was not a clear keep. I think it is now, because of the ACLU lawsuit, but how were you supposed to anticipate that? A "rescue" of an article in response to AFD is a common and good outcome. Abuse of the nominator is not. - Jmabel | Talk 16:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- RFC is Request For Comment?
- I think the problem was the internal spamming done by User:RJHall as noted by User:Metros232 on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School.
- User:RJHall spammed everyone on the WP:SCH membership list, as he admits and was proud he did so. In his words, after his spamming was noted on the site: "Yup I did. The delete High School discussion is a recurring theme in AfD, and I was hoping to use the latest rallying cry of the deletists." The nomination thus became a political issue with me targeted as one of the "deletists".
- Consequently many riled up people voted who did not bother to even look at the article or read the preceding comments and the hysteria escalated.
- I think such use of internal spamming to turn a nomination into a polictical issue that targets the person nominating should be firmly discouraged or even forbidden. (I know Wikipedia does not to forbid things.) Things are political enough without systematic methods of encouraging it.
- I thought the nominations were for discussion and information-sharing. But I have been intimidated by that experience and will not BE BOLD. KarenAnn 16:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- For the most part, this is exactly why you might want to start a request for comment: to turn the community's attention to an instance of bullying, rather than be successfully intimidated. But if you are more comfortable letting the bullies win this one, I certainly won't try to bully you into facing them down! Anyway, if you do want to take some sort of action on this, I promise to back you up. - Jmabel | Talk 17:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Requests for comment. I'd suggest that (unless you feel otherwise) you be clear up front you aren't particularly asking for disciplinary action, but that you would like to air the matter and would like an apology. There are a few details to be careful with:
- You need to be clear whose actions you are referring to.
- You need to be clear that at least two people have already attempted to address the matter informally, and will sign on to the RFC. (That would presumably be you and Metros232; if he/she won't sign on, and no one else has tried to address the matter, I will approach the people in question and ask them to apologize. If they do, great, that ends it. If not, that gives me standing to sign on.)
- You need to indicate what policies or guidelines have been violated (at the very least Wikipedia:Assume good faith, possibly Wikipedia:Spam, but I assume that it is the former that is getting to you).
- You need to indicate specific edits that are at issue: e.g. [2].
- Also (assuming you agree), be clear that with the ACLU addition the article now passes the notability threshhold, and that you consider this rescue a good outcome as far as the article itself is concerned, but that the issue is not whether the article was rescued, it is that you were accused of acting in bad faith.
- You need to brace yourself a bit, because usually when you file an RFC against someone who has been less than civil, they proceed to lash out. Just take it in stride. If they provide further evidence of their incivility in the RFC process, it just makes them look worse.
- My own stake in this? 2 things: I don't like to see people bullied, and I think it is part of a climate in parts of Wikipedia that can be especially unwelcoming to women and to certain ethnic groups. Jmabel | Talk 20:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Again, I don't want to push you too hard into an RFC, but if you are feeling intimidated out of doing the right thing in the future, it would seem to me to be the way to proceed. I haven't crossed paths with you before, but looking at this user talk page suggests that you are someone we should want here. There are other ways to air the grievance, including a note on the Administrators' notice board, but those won't get the attention of the people whose behavior is bothering you.
I'm at work right now and have given this all the attention I really can during the workday. If you want a place to talk and strategize, you might try the #wikipedia channel on IRC. And if you have focused questions for me, feel free, but it will be a bit until I can properly focus on this. - Jmabel | Talk 21:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)