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Hello K7L. An admin has undone your recent move of this article per [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests&oldid=654548207 a request at WP:RMTR]. It was handled as a 'request to revert undiscussed moves.' If you still believe the content should be moved, you can follow the steps given at [[WP:RM#CM]]. Thank you, [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 22:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC) |
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February 2015
In a recent edit to the page Motel, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.
For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used.
In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Also note that it is completely improper to remove {{Use American English}} tag without the Consensus to do so – do not attempt such an edit again without first gaining consensus for it. --IJBall (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- The material was originally submitted as I have it, for instance "the Trans-Canada Highway covers thousands of kilometres...". Furthermore, this article is not about the USA per se. It's about motels worldwide. One user has been edit-warring US spelling into the piece, even though he has otherwise contributed nothing of use to the article and has repeatedly made edits which removed valid contributions by other users. I am WP:RETAINing the spelling in which the material was originally submitted. There was no consensus to template this with "Use American...", that was done by one user over objections from others, and is quite improper. Please don't do this again. K7L (talk) 19:08, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- Wrong. The original English variety of the article is American English. That is obvious from the article's edit history. WP:Retain clearly states that is to be retained. Your submission in British English was flawed in that it failed to respect the guideline, and so it was corrected. There is no requirement that an article be specifically about the United States to be in American English. That is an utterly incorrect reading of WP:ENGVAR. And American English is no less English thatn British English, which your edit summaries and talk page contributions clearly show you to believe. You are wrong. Period. You have repeatedly shown that you do not understand that. The tag was added after discussion on the article talk page. You have attempted to remove it despite its correct placement according to WP:ENGVAR. Time and again you have attempted to force your utterly incorrect, and frankly outright insulting, readings of guidelines in the article. This is not the first time you have been warned about this, so it is time for you to knock it off. oknazevad (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- I looked at the talk page. The discussion ended in 2013 with no consensus. I would suggest that you do *not* add the "Use American..." tag again until you obtain consensus. You are doing harm to the article at this point, as your conduct is interfering with valid contributions. Stop. K7L (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- For the record, you are mis-characterizing that discussion. The original discussion in late 2013 was about an overemphasis at Motel on U.S. motels – most agreed that was probably a valid criticism. On the issue of {{Use American English}}, you argued against it, and two others cited WP:RETAIN, which you basically ignored. It is pretty clear that consensus is, and has been, on the side of keeping American English at the article. --IJBall (talk) 20:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- I looked at the talk page. The discussion ended in 2013 with no consensus. I would suggest that you do *not* add the "Use American..." tag again until you obtain consensus. You are doing harm to the article at this point, as your conduct is interfering with valid contributions. Stop. K7L (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- Wrong. The original English variety of the article is American English. That is obvious from the article's edit history. WP:Retain clearly states that is to be retained. Your submission in British English was flawed in that it failed to respect the guideline, and so it was corrected. There is no requirement that an article be specifically about the United States to be in American English. That is an utterly incorrect reading of WP:ENGVAR. And American English is no less English thatn British English, which your edit summaries and talk page contributions clearly show you to believe. You are wrong. Period. You have repeatedly shown that you do not understand that. The tag was added after discussion on the article talk page. You have attempted to remove it despite its correct placement according to WP:ENGVAR. Time and again you have attempted to force your utterly incorrect, and frankly outright insulting, readings of guidelines in the article. This is not the first time you have been warned about this, so it is time for you to knock it off. oknazevad (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
And just to make myself absolutely clear:
- American English is no less English than British English.
- An article does not have to be specifically about the US to be in American English.
- WP:RETAIN states plainly that the earliest ENGVAR is to be kept.
- The motel article was begun in American English, and so the article is written in American English.
oknazevad (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- I looked at the history. 57% of the article was contributed by one user. In English. Furthermore, you have been repeatedly removing {{globalise}} and {{split}} tags without any consensus, while edit-warring in POV and agenda-pushing tags in an attempt to turn this into an article about the United States. You have been asked to stop doing this for at least two years now, yet you continue. Repeatedly, you have removed valid contributions to the article just to try to make some sort of misguided WP:POINT. You have contributed nothing of value to the motel article, and your conduct is interfering with efforts by others to do so. I would also advise that you desist from falsely labelling other users as sock puppets, as you did here. Please stop. K7L (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- "I looked at the history. 57% of the article was contributed by one user. In English." The whole article is in English and always has been, since it was started in 2004. . This is exactly what I'm talking about. You refuse to acknowledge that American English is valid English. That is utterly unacceptable. Do not persist. oknazevad (talk) 22:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- It is quite clear that you are WP:NOTHERE to improve Wikipedia's coverage of motels or travel. You are here to use this article as a football (presumably an American football, not a soccer ball) to push some bizarre agenda. In the process of doing this, you are reverting valid contributions in a manner which is harming the encyclopaedia. Effectively, you're acting as if you WP:OWN the page and are chasing away good-faith contributors. That's harmful to the project. K7L (talk) 22:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- Question: How is it WP:OWN if two (now three) other editors have backed Oknazevad's interpretation of WP:RETAIN? He's not pushing a "personal agenda", he's trying to maintain the consensus view at the article. --IJBall (talk) 22:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- It is quite clear that you are WP:NOTHERE to improve Wikipedia's coverage of motels or travel. You are here to use this article as a football (presumably an American football, not a soccer ball) to push some bizarre agenda. In the process of doing this, you are reverting valid contributions in a manner which is harming the encyclopaedia. Effectively, you're acting as if you WP:OWN the page and are chasing away good-faith contributors. That's harmful to the project. K7L (talk) 22:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- "I looked at the history. 57% of the article was contributed by one user. In English." The whole article is in English and always has been, since it was started in 2004. . This is exactly what I'm talking about. You refuse to acknowledge that American English is valid English. That is utterly unacceptable. Do not persist. oknazevad (talk) 22:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- Suggestion: Take it to WP:Dispute resolution – because what you are currently doing is edit warring, and that is not "better". But the record seems to support Oknazevad's take – at least three other editors over the years have objected to your attempts to overthrow WP:RETAIN, and you are the only editor I've seen pushing British English at Motel. --IJBall (talk) 20:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- I was being perfectly quiet until Oknazevad started edit-warring another contributor about railway stations, or train stations, or some such. I am not the only victim of his antics. Furthermore, you are the one edit warring as your latest edits removed valid contributions to the article. This is disruption to prove a WP:POINT. Don't do that again. K7L (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- Suggestion: Take it to WP:Dispute resolution – because what you are currently doing is edit warring, and that is not "better". But the record seems to support Oknazevad's take – at least three other editors over the years have objected to your attempts to overthrow WP:RETAIN, and you are the only editor I've seen pushing British English at Motel. --IJBall (talk) 20:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
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Motel move
Hello K7L. An admin has undone your recent move of this article per a request at WP:RMTR. It was handled as a 'request to revert undiscussed moves.' If you still believe the content should be moved, you can follow the steps given at WP:RM#CM. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 22:41, 1 April 2015 (UTC)