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I also have to disagree with István about Anonimu's edits in general. Yes, he has been known to be extremely disruptive and insulting at times, but he generally understands and obeys the rules. Although his extremely stubbornly behavior can cause a lot of damage when he refuses to accept reliable sources that contradict his opinions, it has proven a moderating factor when he was dealing with disruptive users on the other side of the political divide (some of whom have since parted with this project, due to well-deserved admin intervention). The one or two articles I've seen him start from scratch were rather well-balanced and interesting, and, at the very least, his bias is occasionally a breath of fresh air (in comparison to the tiresome and spurious nationalist bias of the type that has flooded ro wiki). [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] 20:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC) |
I also have to disagree with István about Anonimu's edits in general. Yes, he has been known to be extremely disruptive and insulting at times, but he generally understands and obeys the rules. Although his extremely stubbornly behavior can cause a lot of damage when he refuses to accept reliable sources that contradict his opinions, it has proven a moderating factor when he was dealing with disruptive users on the other side of the political divide (some of whom have since parted with this project, due to well-deserved admin intervention). The one or two articles I've seen him start from scratch were rather well-balanced and interesting, and, at the very least, his bias is occasionally a breath of fresh air (in comparison to the tiresome and spurious nationalist bias of the type that has flooded ro wiki). [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] 20:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC) |
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I've requested arbitration with regards to Anonimu's incivility. The request can be found [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Anonimu|here]]. '''[[User:Sceptre|Will]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 02:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC) |
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Music clips, cont'd.
That was rather funny; thank you, although my wiki-week has been just fine. I have no idea about audio, but I can point you to Wikipedia:Media, WP:VPT and Wikipedia:Music samples, where I see you've just put a message. Perhaps harvesting names off that, like User:Pepve, User:Papa November or User:Esprit15d would be a good idea (these three do seem like they know about audio). Biruitorul 22:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- I guess I keep forgetting that I'm several hundred times more sensitive than you are, and these constant battles between certain Romanian factions bother me more than you. Oh well, glad you liked the video anyway.
- Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give it a shot. K. Lásztocska 22:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- Indeed. Talk about trivia! Biruitorul 23:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
How's the audio project coming along? By the way? See these (1, 2, 3, 4)? 1: Do you agree, as I've outlined here, that these charts are utterly absurd? 2: If so, how does one go about removing them? Unfortunately there's a group protecting them, but do you know of a place I could initiate a cross-article discussion on the subject, and slay all the beasts in one go? Thanks. Biruitorul 20:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- You mean like this? Biruitorul 22:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, excellent. It's always good to have allies in a conflict like this. I don't know if we'll succeed - the royalty editors are naturally a powerful group in their own sphere, and we have other things on our minds - but the trio of Dahn, you and I could, if it worked together, score a victory. Biruitorul 12:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oh my God, we really are a cabal. ;-) K. Lásztocska 12:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
- Just keep vewy, vewy quiet about it - your votes on the side opposite to mine on AfDs come in quite handy to dispel any outsiders' notion of a cabal... Biruitorul 06:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Looks like I'm going to have to start trying to disagree with you more often...;-) K. Lásztocska 07:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Just keep vewy, vewy quiet about it - your votes on the side opposite to mine on AfDs come in quite handy to dispel any outsiders' notion of a cabal... Biruitorul 06:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oh my God, we really are a cabal. ;-) K. Lásztocska 12:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, excellent. It's always good to have allies in a conflict like this. I don't know if we'll succeed - the royalty editors are naturally a powerful group in their own sphere, and we have other things on our minds - but the trio of Dahn, you and I could, if it worked together, score a victory. Biruitorul 12:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Blank page?
Damn, missed it :( Will (talk) 22:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- I did too… — $PЯINGεrαgђ 01:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Enesque
Almost :D. No, not quite Enescu and, alas, not quite that Mitică. Meaning that I could pin them down in a wrestling match (I'm not so sure about Enescu - he was a little on the heavy side). Not to give you the wrong impression: that's about all I can hope to accomplish in wrestling. But I do pack a Mitică on the inside.
Btw: I may have unwittingly instigated this, but your archiving is a bit confusing. I don't mind that you archived the long exchange with Anittas, and I do apologize for its intensity (though I should add I'm not a "side" in a regional conflict - I'm rather perplexed that he seems to think this is a regional conflict between him and the rest). But you might consider leaving the ongoing stuff out of the archive and on the active page - it is only by sheer luck that I noticed you replied to my previous Caragiale post. And sorry about the French language thing - I forgot to double-check your Babel before suggesting the book. Dahn 21:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- Biru's Enescu, you're Lipatti. Did I mix up my pronouns again? :-D
- I know, it was a clumsy archiving job--I'd been meaning to archive anyway, and then once Anittas showed no sign of shutting up I figured I'd force the issue. Now that you mention it though, I probably will move some of the more active discussions back here. And while you're here, I might as well ask you too--do you know anything about working with sound files? K. Lásztocska 23:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ah! my bad. Well, I have to say that, after our talk about Hungarian clichés, my mental image of you merges with Rossellini as Erdody in Immortal Beloved :D.
- Unfortunately, I'm clueless when it comes to sound files. Have you tried asking people on Commons? (In any case, I think that the files should be directed there - since I suppose they are PD.) Dahn 23:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
- Immortal Beloved! zOMG I love that movie, it's on my short list of favorites! :-D Ooh, and Rosselini...I'll keep that image, thanks! ;-)
- The sound clips I'm hoping to upload would actually fall under fair use. The rationale is easy--unique and un-reproducible recordings of a now-deceased violinist, used solely to illustrate (?) the biography of that violinist. My problem is figuring out how to go from one file format to another without getting any more of those ear-splitting electronic shrieks from Audacity...K. Lásztocska 00:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- I wish I could help, but I can only scratch my head in sympathy. I have never really worked with sound files (well, I did, but on a level where the shrieking was not a major problem).
- Speaking of favorite movies: when I read the Balaton adventures, it seemed that I'm a regular Knox Harrington (which is not bad, especially since that movie makes my short list for sure). And now the Lipatti thing only serves to enhance the image :). Dahn 00:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, and Biru's gone and made himself the mentally unstable villain again...sigh. What *are* we going to do with him? (I'm thinking, he and Jan Slota team up with Gheorge Funar to retake "far western Transylvania" (i.e. the rest of Hungary) but, as is prone to happen in melodramas, things spin out of control. I want to work in Prince Csaba coming down the Milky Way to save the day somehow...)K. Lásztocska 00:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I did lay low for a while to tie up some loose knots. In any case, belated Halloween greetings and a moment to remember those poor guys who died hopelessly fighting the Soviet behemoth. Anyway: I'm more or less back in the game - I just have to urge myself to get back to Caragiale... Any chanse for answers on the archived questions? Btw: Biru has since proposed an entire article on the Romanian consequences of the 1956 uprising. Dahn 16:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- If you remind me what those questions were, sure. (It's getting a little crazy in real life with classes, concerts, etc. etc. etc....) I love the idea of an article on the Romanian reaction to 56--I suggested a whole article about international political consequences last year, but Istvan quite rightly pointed out that that would be a huge undertaking and prone to various OR and WP:SYNTH issues...focusing on Romania specifically, however, could be quite do-able and effective. I don't know much about it though, I admit, but I'll help however I can. K. Lásztocska 17:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, I'm late as usual - some will say it's because I was celebrating a departure ;), but I actually wasn't (I was mostly just trying to get another two other blockable users out of my hair). I was going to link to your archive for those questions, but it turns out that, in my post there, only the stuff about 1956 was truly relevant and truly a question... and you answered it. Alright, I'll see about this in the near future. But, since it would need some sort of summary in the main article on the uprising, and since you're qualified to help with that, expect more nagging from my part :). The more relevant points of the Romanian connection are sourced in Romanian Communist Party, Miron Constantinescu, and Ion Vincze. Biru has also worked on Bucharest student movement of 1956, but that article is very undersourced and takes liberties with the MoS (not his fault: I think he was translating the ro wiki article, and ro wikipedians are not fully accustomed to how this project works - resulting in the fact that it is impossible to say where the info comes from and if it is reliable). Dahn 04:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Szigeti Page
Just a suggestion - getting a non-copyvio sound clip of one of his performances would really up that page a notch (or two) - make it a real FA contender. István 16:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Especially Bach's Charconne, as a) it was a pivotal piece in his career and b) most serious guitar players (of which there is no shortage) immediately recognize it as a technically challenging piece (even if they don't understand much about the rest of the wide world of music) and will respect anyone who can play it well István 16:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- CHAconne, István. No "R". :) Obnoxious linguistic nitpicking aside, that is an absolutely fantastic idea, I only wish I knew how to (a) excerpt a short clip from a whole track or (b) come up with a decent rationale to satisfy the, um, Commons types. I also have a magnificent recording of him playing some sonatas and showpieces with Bartók at the piano, those would also be worth uploading. K. Lásztocska 16:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
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- for (b) you could just use the JayZ method, sample Szigeti, overlay some cheezy rap, copyright it, release the rights, and then take it out again. (but save a copy for parties and such) István 05:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
- Nice! ...but, um, that's not Szigeti playing, is it. :) Actually I think copyright issues will be the least of my worries; what's going to be tricky is playing with the files enough so I can get a short excerpt (shouldn't be more than 30 seconds long) and then convert it to OGG format...on the other hand I'm on a post-concert buzz right now so what better time than the present to start working on this? K. Lásztocska 05:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
- Your call, you are more expert in musick than I. In fact, you are best advised to not take my advice too much here - mine was more an aside comment but I think you should choose on the criteria of what you think shows his abilities best (from a performer's point of view). re: tech troubles - yes, I know exactly what you mean. for this reason I try to minimise my involvement with technology - some day all that crap will become more intuitive. Till then I cant even archive my talk page. ;-)István 14:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Nice! ...but, um, that's not Szigeti playing, is it. :) Actually I think copyright issues will be the least of my worries; what's going to be tricky is playing with the files enough so I can get a short excerpt (shouldn't be more than 30 seconds long) and then convert it to OGG format...on the other hand I'm on a post-concert buzz right now so what better time than the present to start working on this? K. Lásztocska 05:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
- for (b) you could just use the JayZ method, sample Szigeti, overlay some cheezy rap, copyright it, release the rights, and then take it out again. (but save a copy for parties and such) István 05:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Music Clips
remmeber during the 56 debate someone raised the issue of a composition which was supposedly about 56 but officially not? I was thinking that a music clip might go well on that page...any suggestions? István 15:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Of course I remember, it was me. :) The work in question is Shostakovich's Eleventh Symphony, officially about the brutal 1905 crushing of a peaceful protest in St. Petersburg and the resulting mushrooming revolutionary sentiment, but it was written in 1957 and Shostakovich privately said that "contemporary events" had inspired the work, and Shostakovich's son has said that everybody at the premiere (thankfully with the exception of the dimwitted Party officials) knew that it was really about 56. A clip from that symphony would indeed be a nice addition (and just in time for the 51st anniversary?!), figuring out exactly where to put it might be tricky though. K. Lásztocska 21:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- oh yes, that K. Lastochka, of course...;-) I found his 10th but not his 11th. I wonder how those get there in the first place. Browsing through, I'm struck as to how much music is NOT on the commons. Anyway, do you also remember the idea once raised of making 56 a "spoken article"? István 18:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I do remember that spoken article idea...I think it was the idea of some crazy guy called István, I dunno. ;-) It's a good idea, and I would volunteer to record it myself except for the fact that I invariably sound stilted and awkward when reading prose aloud, especially things like history articles. (Reciting poetry is more my talent.) Perhaps, my dear, you should become the voice of the '56ers? (especially if you have a Hungarian accent, it would add a nice dash of authenticity.) ;-)
- Putting more music on the commons is a great idea. Maybe that's something I can work on here and there... K. Lásztocska 18:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- I would jump at that chance, but I cringe in pain any time I hear my recorded voice. What's worse is when I ask others if I really sound like that and the answer is a shrug and a "yes". Ive been told my voice is distinctive (&I could never get away with anything on the phone), and that breaks my wiki rule #1 - never give out any personal information. What a hell, you tink I haf Hungeedian accent? Tanks God we only gonna write here and not to speak. István 20:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- Now I've got all sorts of possible weird ways your voice could sound running through my head...thanks. And my preferred expletive of choice is undoubtedly going to be "what a hell?" for the next week, complete with full Hungeedian accent. (You got me stuck on "pinhead" a while back too...remember?)
- I'm going to try my hand at uploading a sound clip in a little while--not Szigeti yet, as I still haven't gotten the files off my iPod, but I'l try uploading some excerpts from Symphonie Fantastique (and then I'll go learn the rest of it for rehearsal tomorrow. Eek!) K. Lásztocska 00:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oy! Several messed-up files and horrendous screeching noises from Audacity later, and still no sound clips...this may be harder than I thought...K. Lásztocska 01:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- I would jump at that chance, but I cringe in pain any time I hear my recorded voice. What's worse is when I ask others if I really sound like that and the answer is a shrug and a "yes". Ive been told my voice is distinctive (&I could never get away with anything on the phone), and that breaks my wiki rule #1 - never give out any personal information. What a hell, you tink I haf Hungeedian accent? Tanks God we only gonna write here and not to speak. István 20:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- oh yes, that K. Lastochka, of course...;-) I found his 10th but not his 11th. I wonder how those get there in the first place. Browsing through, I'm struck as to how much music is NOT on the commons. Anyway, do you also remember the idea once raised of making 56 a "spoken article"? István 18:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Caragiale's books
There isn't much, truth be told. I mean, they must have translated all at some point, but it seems they did so mostly from Romania (which is bound to be obscure) and this about 30-50 years ago. At least, this is what Amazon tells me. There is a newer French-language edition of his Mitică stories (lovely picture, wouldn't you say?). Dahn 14:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ahh, if only I spoke French. That is a good picture--should that be my mental image of you? ;-) For some reason I've always pictured you and Biru looking like Dinu Lipatti and George Enescu, respectively...K. Lásztocska 01:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- Mental images of users with no pictures of themselves? Funny I never really thought of that…somehow I think of you as halfway between Clara Schumann and Andrea Rost. At least one of them is Hungarian. ;) — $PЯINGεrαgђ 15:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC) P.S. I mean the young and pretty Clara and not the good-hearted but homely older Clara. ;) (Sorry, Brahms…) 20:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oh my. This is quite interesting though, as I've often wondered what mental images people have of me. :) Will, I never would have pegged you for a Meat Loaf lookalike--I always pictured a young Ninth Doctor. :P K. Lásztocska 20:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
- I always pictured you as adult Wikipe-tan, with less freaky hair. About the Ninth Doctor, I do wear a similar looking trademark leather jacket quite often and I love Ecclescake (and Tennant - literal "Squee!!!"s when I saw them in Heroes and the I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) video respectively). By the way, is it just me who finds it funny that Eccleston was born in Salford? Will (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
- My God, he does look like you, Will! Although his head is a wee bit smaller methinks :P … -whistle- — $PЯINGεrαgђ 04:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
- You know what they say about first impressions... my immediate reaction when someone mentions Meat Loaf is "low-down cheap little punk taking everyone for a ride." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sceptre (talk • contribs) 15:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
- That was funny. :P — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC) I'm almost afraid to ask what peoples' mental picture(s) of me is (are), at this rate! :P
I knew it!
:P Will (talk) 21:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- What the hell?!? — $PЯINGεrαgђ 21:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- I think Girl's Name might get it :P (Give me a break, I've got a lot on my mind) (Coxian (the adjective, not the combination of the last name) nickname inspired by your apparent "Lassie" nickname and the fact that JD did first base with Rowdy...) Will (talk) 22:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Enough Scrubs, but I am in Doctor Who withdrawal...K. Lásztocska 03:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well I spent the entire past two weeks watching all 120-something episodes. :P Will (talk) 11:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- I think Girl's Name might get it :P (Give me a break, I've got a lot on my mind) (Coxian (the adjective, not the combination of the last name) nickname inspired by your apparent "Lassie" nickname and the fact that JD did first base with Rowdy...) Will (talk) 22:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Digwuren's RfAr has closed
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren.
The fallout from this will be quite fun to watch. Should bring the bickering down quite a bit. Will (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oooh, and I've just fixed the style of your page so it works in IE7. Will (talk) 15:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- I wonder how long it's going to be until Anonimu officially falls under the sanctions of the RfAr. If he did today, I'd say his current behaviour, especially his ownership of his talk page, would get him banned by Christmas. Short of that, the only way you can get someone banned is by making polemic posts on Wikipedia Review in their name (serously). Will (talk) 18:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Come now, I'm not going to sink to that level. Besides, he doesn't need my "help" to look like a disruptive, obnoxious hindrance to the entire project. My admitted cabalmates, however, seem to have no interest in pursuing formal action against our constant tormentor, and frankly I have better things to do with my time too. So I dunno what to do. K. Lásztocska 18:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Hey sceptre, stop caring about me so much, or some people may get strange ideas. ;)Anonimu 18:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- He's just trying to protect me...as if I needed a knight in shining armor... ;-) K. Lásztocska 18:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- It's good to see that there are still people who don't try to use you in their evil plans...Anonimu 18:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- "Use" me? But I'm the mastermind behind it all! Hadn't you figured that out yet, or was my groupie ploy more effective than I thought? :P :) K. Lásztocska 18:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- But that would mean you care more about Romania than about Hungary. You should be careful about saying this in public, or some of the descendents of the connationals of your ancestors may consider you a traitor... I heard they used to break people on the wheel for such things...Anonimu 19:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, no no no, you've got it all wrong. See, my plan is to destabilize Romania, then when you're all too busy bickering to notice, my elite special cabal of Hungarian hussars will storm in and retake Transylvania. It all makes sense now, doesn't it? (besides the fact that I have way too much time on my hands today, I mean...) K. Lásztocska 19:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Only your armour would do that! :P Are you trying to say, Lastochka, that you're going to essentially re-create what was once the Austro-Hungarian Empire—without Austria? World War I solved both those problems by the way. :P Well, kind of. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- And thanks a lot. Because of this, I'm now imaginging you as Magenta from Rocky Horror. Will (talk) 17:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Only your armour would do that! :P Are you trying to say, Lastochka, that you're going to essentially re-create what was once the Austro-Hungarian Empire—without Austria? World War I solved both those problems by the way. :P Well, kind of. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Spring: excuse me, but just what problems did the Treaty of Trianon "solve"? Do you know what the Transylvanian Hungarians had to suffer through during Ceausescu's rule? Do you know what happened to the Slovakian Hungarians with the passing of the Benes Decrees? Do you know what happens to ethnic Hungarians even today in northern Serbia? No, I do not advocate an all-out return to pre-Trianon borders, but the current borders are no more just than the old ones.
- Will: Transylvanian maybe, transvestite no. K. Lásztocska 18:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Happy anniversary
51st anniversary of the Hungarian Revolution, and 1st of FA promotion, that is. Also, an opportunity for a bit of a canvass! Biruitorul 01:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
56 again
Yes, that was a truly worthy moment - a tangible accomplishment. Not to imply that the Wikipedia itself isn't a worthy cause - but its so incremental, certainly lacks dramatic triumph, - if something *does* go red-hot (i.e. interesting) sadly it's usually something destructive; whereas our (incl. others') rushing that article to decency and beyond not only served the wiki's goal but also came at the perfect time to honour people who, lets face it, did one of the bravest (maybe foolish - its hard to tell) things in the 20th century. I would like to think that there is at least one 56-os veteran somewhere in the world happy that 56 was up as featured on its 50th anniversary...
- BTW, your toast "A szabadságra, Magyarországra és az ötvenhatosok emlekére" puts your big heart in the right place. üdv István 21:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
You wait years for a mention of the Belarusian male ballet team on TV then two come at once...
Related to this discussion somewhat, I was watching Spooks the other night (or to you on the other side of the pond, MI-5) when an (anti-American) character said the origins of the covert (anti-American) organisation was the '56 revolution. I think the BBC were having a little bit of fun by scheduling that episode on October 23rd. (Remember, they've somehow coincidentally scheduled date-relevant TV episodes before...) Will (talk) 02:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
RfC filed
I have filed an RfC about Anonimu's conduct, and as I cite you near the bottom, I hereby request your signature in the "Users certifying the basis for this dispute" section. Biruitorul 21:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for your signature, and I look forward to your statement. I hope (...) things can remain civil. Things really are spinning out of control, so I was impelled to take this course of action. Biruitorul 04:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- spinning out of control? No way. The only "out of control" that will happen is if you allow your nemesis to put you in the dock alongside him (or if you climb up there yourself). István 16:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone endorse the summaries? Because I would like to. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, OK. I didn't think of that. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words. Actually, my remarks are in no way any warning away from taking part, but rather to be careful not to put yourself on trial along with Mr A. You are quick to mea culpa, and hold yourself to higher standards than you hold others. Endearing, yes, but in this case invites muddle. Now Im off to partake of some opium of the masses... István 17:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
István, are you Catholic or Protestant? I have a strange fascination with Hungarian Protestantism, but Catholicism there is quite interesting too. KL: things are going according to plan (picture an evil mastermind sinisterly doing something like this), so I don't anticipate your help being urgently needed; even I have drawn back as the process has taken on a life of its own. Ah, our poor, neglected story. Yes, I'll get to that..soon. Biruitorul 23:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe so maybe not, it just seems too "pat" a chain of events (all within hours) - one could easily quack and waddle for 10 edits to pass for a duck, especially a well-known one, if that is one's intent. It was indeed B's mistake to not tag the page, but he has done that operation many times, and if there's a history of not bothering to do that (that's a great argument for admins sticking to procedure) and some people *do* have a flair for manipulating things.... it will probably be unprovable, and at this point utterly pointless anyway. István 03:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Support
Despite our past mischief, I'm counting with your full support, in case full support is needed. I asked the same from Dahn. The bitch comment was made with love. Now, let's not put on a puppy-face and make up. Thanks. --Thus Spake Anittas 21:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, you will not get that "full support" from me. I have friends from Wallachia and I don't give my "full support" to people who habitually deride them as sub-human. K. Lásztocska 21:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Note: I have extended the hand of friendship to Lasto and she bit it. I have done all I could. --Thus Spake Anittas 21:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- I haven't, and you bet your bottom damn I'm proud I haven't done all I could: I haven't called her names or treated her like dirt. Usually there's not much you can learn from me, but that's one of them. It serves you right, and then some, that your hand got bit, considering you were the one shoving it down her throat. Have fun at WP:RfC/Anomimu. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 22:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, whatever you say, stranger; altough I have to disagree with the dirt part. All I wanted to say is that I did what I could to make things better. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, better for yourself. Look somewhere else for your mercenaries.K. Lásztocska 22:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Anittas, you are no stranger to me, and you know I am no stranger to you. You have been on this page before—a page which I have made a grand total of 162 edits to. "…make things better"? Even if you have caused Lastochka only a trivial amount of stress, I guarantee you've caused her more stress than you have yourself good feelings. Lastly, calling someone names is essentially treating them like dirt. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 22:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- I've seen you post on this talkpage, btu other than that, I don't know you. --Thus Spake Anittas 07:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I was never blocked for not being trustful, so in that area I guess we're equal. --Thus Spake Anittas 07:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- …especially looking at the fact you have been blocked eleven times, and neither Will or I have been blocked, ever… — $PЯINGεrαgђ 23:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Who taught you how to count? ;) --Thus Spake Anittas 07:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Anittas: get the hell off my talk page. I just had one of the most miserable days ever in real life, and bickering with you is the very last thing I need right now. K. Lásztocska 08:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, as you wish. I respect your wish, even without a disclaimer. --Thus Spake Anittas 08:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. K. Lásztocska 12:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Here, Lastochka, have some tea. I'm sorry I haven't any for the intruder, but he might not want to drink the kind of tea I might offer him. :) — $PЯINGεrαgђ 19:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- (just re-indenting here...) Mmm...tea. Yummy. That's one habit I picked up from all the Russians I used to hang around that I'll probably never kick: total tea addiction. :) Aw, István, I liked the cartoon...sure you can be the horse, if you don't mind the damsel in distress patting your nose... ;-) Man, this is a strange cabal I've got here... K. Lásztocska 21:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ahem, just who got the tea in the first place, Will? :P Actually, though, this looks more like me—and the fact that I uploaded it is coincidence. ;) May I add that I shave much more regularly than the bloke in the picture does — $PЯINGεrαgђ 23:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- With his mouth closed :P — $PЯINGεrαgђ 23:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Happy Halloween
- Ooh, don't be a witch. You'll give them the satisfaction :/ Will (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- Satisfaction to who, my conservatory-mates? THEY don't think I'm a filthy Hungarian ultranationalist in league with Muntenian pigs and Romanian fascists...and I'm not really a witch anyway, I'm basically a fangless vampire. Whatever I am, I look utterly ridiculous right now. K. Lásztocska 23:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- Have you ever gone to an orchestra rehearsal in full costume? More to the point, have you ever tried to play the violin in a cape? :-) K. Lásztocska 02:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- No but I have played the guitar with a backpack and a heavy jacket on—now that was hard. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 04:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oooo… — $PЯINGεrαgђ 03:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- Apparently, I need to be shot. Will (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- LOL! I haven't had any funny (?) vandalism come my way in so long, I've nearly forgotten that which has…I'll find some eventually. Most of it's just dumb…:/ — $PЯINGεrαgђ 15:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for making this old man proud
Award
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
I hereby award you this barnstar for the entire body of work. Take care, Colchicum 21:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC) |
Featured Articles and such
Take a look at today's featured article's talk page. Note the lack of archives. Not that its a bad article - its well written, but to think of all the toothpulling we had to contend with for the 56 article...BTW my flag is down now - my new userpage is dedicated to you. If you are in Budapest at night (say, 5:10 am on Nov 4), have had one too many to drink, and walk from the Pest side of the Danube out onto the Lánchíd about 50 meters past the lion and look to the left, and squint (so hard you don't notice the Erzsébet híd) that is roughly what it might look like (except for the foreground stuff) István 04:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
- ...hey, please dont take my study-first comments TOO seriously - you can do with your time as you choose (and we like to see you here) I was just trying to help, making wild guesses, wearing out my own soapbox a little. As for Szigeti, I will take a look at it and give you my opinion, however I think there are a few others equally if not better qualified to do so than I. István 13:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Wow, violin, piano, editing and singing too? You're a quadruple-threat! Please see my Szigeti comment on its talk page. I'll only make minor edits right now, if any. BTW I would have quite a few pre-FAC recommendations. István 16:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Interesting, I didn't know you took the picture that's on your page
Nice camera. ;) — $PЯINGεrαgђ 19:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Meh, just any old Canon Powershot. Didn't you mean "Nice talent for photographic composition and excellent use of angles to capture perfectly the drama and pathos of the memorial?" ;-) :P K. Lásztocska 00:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh of course. :P I also meant "nice camera that you've got that's similar to mine, and that's why it's nice". :P Also, I love this—love love love love love love it. :D — $PЯINGεrαgђ 05:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah. Sure settles the nationality debate, doesn't it? :P Oh, and that famous comet that appeared on the night of his birth, that all the gypsies went a little nuts about? Obviously that was Liszt's spaceship crash-landing. Oh my God, this is starting to sound like a bad episode of Doctor Who. K. Lásztocska 05:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
- That's even more crazy then the humourous cool-down attempt by Schissel (? I think it was him) and I saying he was Chinese, or Tasmanian aborigine. :P
- Will, at least you point-and-click. Better than I do ;) And your pictures are awesome, and I mean totally pwning top-notch cool! I wish I had gone to Baker Street when I was in London (to long ago to do anything about that). I've been to the Eye though. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 23:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Um, don't take this personally, guys, but once your conversations get THIS off-topic (and you start just talking to each other), would you mind not doing it on my talk page? I keep seeing "you have new messages" and thinking it might be something important, but then it's just you two chatting... K. Lásztocska 14:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
- No worries. K. Lásztocska 16:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. Will—Google or User talk:Springeragh next time, at least if it looks like it's straying away. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 23:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Yay!
[1] Will (talk) 21:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Come now, no need to gloat. K. Lásztocska 23:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Still, it's about time. It would take a large amount of restraint on my part to not block someone who called any of my friends "bitch" or worse. If they were lucky they would get an "only-warning" template. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 01:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly sobbing at the dock bitterly watching his ship (nuclear rowboat) disappear over the horizon...we're better off not having to deal with his obnoxiousness. People rightly pointed out that he was a productive contributor, but for me his incivility outweighed his productivity. K. Lásztocska 15:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- I should have Rlesve write my speeches from now on. ;) — $PЯINGεrαgђ 16:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well, what comes around, goes around. I don't cry either, but must note that A. was not the worst guy on the Wiki, just one with incredibly poor judgement (he is likely very young): posting that anti-Jimbo cartoon on the wiki, breaking his civility pledge, backing Anonimu, using personal invective, i.e. "bitch" and another to make that ethnic slur on "muntenians" - which IMHO was the least of these transgressions (its like poking at "Scowsers" in the UK or "Okies" in the USA) -bad form to be sure, but one hears it - even outside of Old Trafford. Sorry KL, didn't you say you supported FC Liverpool? ;-) and then the most hamfisted, left-footed attempt to "seed" evidence with the whole "I wash my hands" spiel on this very page... Most Westerners can't see through the prism of the Central European idea of civility and its certainly better that way; this is English wikipedia and its best we don't allow civility standards to be "interpreted" downward. I neither laugh nor cry. István 17:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I think his Muntenian comments went a little beyond terrace banter, but I can see your point. :) (And yes, I'm a proud Liverpool fan, albeit a somewhat dismayed one this season.) ;-) I think he was pretty obnoxious even by Central European standards (although you certainly are more qualified to comment on that than I am!) but whatever... K. Lásztocska 17:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Wait a minute István...you're not a Man United fan, are you?? ;-)
- …was? — $PЯINGεrαgђ 18:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- No! Not my István! K. Lásztocska 19:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- First off, please calm down - Im not. I was however, in a downtown Manchester hotel the night Liverpool beat AC Milan to win the Champions' League. Like many, I switched off at halftime (probably over to the Simpsons on Sky) and then back very late in the match- I remember how stony silent the city was both during and after the match; everyone watching, no-one emoting - no car horns or shouts. I suppose the mixed feelings were tough for Mancunians to grapple with (you'd think that chattel slavery...oh fugetaboudit) - but no, I had not more than a vicarious interest. (Great match though) As for A.'s ethnic dig, I don't excuse it either, just putting it into perspective as I think the "she dog" comment and the broken promise were worse. István 19:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Haha--I wouldn't care if you were, just a bit of terrace banter. ;-) But DAMN, yes, I remember that match soooo clearly--absolutely friggin' unbelievable. My dad told me a story once about being in Norway on the night that they beat Brazil in the World Cup and even the normally staid Norwegians were pouring into the streets screaming and singing like lunatics. :)
- I remember the game too - I was at a racecourse for the first 45 minutes and was really unhappy when they were 3-0 down. Then on the way home, the whole car went mental as one, two, then three goals went in. It was epic. Also, the Scandinavian street-crazyness - reminds me of Finland's reaction to Lordi winning Eurovision last year. Will (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, good Lord (no pun intended), let's not get into the Eurovision...talk about another can of worms! ;-) K. Lásztocska 19:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, at least Hungary got 99 more points than the UK this year (though Ukraine really should've won, stupid bloc voting grumble) Will (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- You guys watch that?! Dahn 20:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, mostly to gripe about how bad it is. :) (Allow me to publicly register my intense disappointment that Magdi chose to sing the English version of her song rather than the infinitely more poetic Hungarian.) I'll reply to your post on the real issues in a while, but right now I'm supposed to be writing a paper on Enescu and some program notes for a Bartók piece. Back later. :) K. Lásztocska 20:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- You guys watch that?! Dahn 20:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, at least Hungary got 99 more points than the UK this year (though Ukraine really should've won, stupid bloc voting grumble) Will (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, good Lord (no pun intended), let's not get into the Eurovision...talk about another can of worms! ;-) K. Lásztocska 19:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- I remember the game too - I was at a racecourse for the first 45 minutes and was really unhappy when they were 3-0 down. Then on the way home, the whole car went mental as one, two, then three goals went in. It was epic. Also, the Scandinavian street-crazyness - reminds me of Finland's reaction to Lordi winning Eurovision last year. Will (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Haha--I wouldn't care if you were, just a bit of terrace banter. ;-) But DAMN, yes, I remember that match soooo clearly--absolutely friggin' unbelievable. My dad told me a story once about being in Norway on the night that they beat Brazil in the World Cup and even the normally staid Norwegians were pouring into the streets screaming and singing like lunatics. :)
- Good :) Back on topic, I don't like any ethnic slur. I believe the British equivalent would be the word "Paki", and given the number of actual South Asian friends I have (West Yorkshire has a reputation for having a relatively high proportion (and its chavs, so the word's flung around somewhat)), I abhor any use of that word. Same goes for any other slur, actually. Because it's basically saying there's something wrong with a complete ethnic type, which is total bullshit. Will (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- First off, please calm down - Im not. I was however, in a downtown Manchester hotel the night Liverpool beat AC Milan to win the Champions' League. Like many, I switched off at halftime (probably over to the Simpsons on Sky) and then back very late in the match- I remember how stony silent the city was both during and after the match; everyone watching, no-one emoting - no car horns or shouts. I suppose the mixed feelings were tough for Mancunians to grapple with (you'd think that chattel slavery...oh fugetaboudit) - but no, I had not more than a vicarious interest. (Great match though) As for A.'s ethnic dig, I don't excuse it either, just putting it into perspective as I think the "she dog" comment and the broken promise were worse. István 19:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- No! Not my István! K. Lásztocska 19:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- …was? — $PЯINGεrαgђ 18:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Allow me to intrude. From my perspective, both of you (KL and István) are right about Anittas. Indeed, most of his posts about Muntenians were of the "Okie" type - though, strangely, the more usual and stereotypical equivalent of an "Okie" in Romania is the Moldavian. For example, use Bucharesters the word sârma ("the wire") as a condensed and biting reference to Moldavians. This is because Moldavians supposedly flocked to big cities in the south, Bucharest first and foremost, and trains were so crowded (or they were so poor/cheap) that they traveled in large groups on top of moving trains. The story goes that the ones in the front would give a shout out to the others to keep low whenever the train would pass under a cable. This is the type of rather childish jokes that Romanian in various regions make about each other.
Some of the comments he made in this key were mildly irritating, some were mildly amusing, some were partly true (to the measure where a stereotype can be said to take inspiration from reality). It was pesky enough when he started branding people, assessing them by their stated or supposed origin, and intervening in communication to attack users based on their origin. To this, Anittas added racialism - for eons, he's been proposing that Muntenians are a different race - and eventually racism - stating that the race in question is inferior. The statements that got him banned were not the only ones he made in this highly inflammatory and immoral nature: long before, on Bogdan's talk page, he had stated that people from Muntenia, Oltenia and Banat were "the most criminal people on Earth" (I took him to AN/I back then, but I did not follow through - to give him one more chance).
Yes, this pattern of behavior is widespread in Central Europe, and probably even more widespread in countries like Romania, where even the most neutral of academic discourses has been known to degenerate into outrageous insults. Romanian wikipedia is, in many ways, a hellhole - despite the good intentions of some genuinely good administrators. On enwiki as well, there are various Romanian editors who, after years of editing, seem not to have a clue about what this project is all about. This is not something that should be tolerated: it was high time that admins realized how disruptive this can get and do something about it. Overall, Anittas was not a bad guy, but he was using this project to introduce and popularize his ideas. Aside from the endless flame wars he started, the man also added very questionable stuff to mainspace. For example, he created articles that he knew were going to get deleted, just to aggravate users whom he thought of his adversaries, and made an edit in one article just to say how he felt about Muntenians.
I also have to disagree with István about Anonimu's edits in general. Yes, he has been known to be extremely disruptive and insulting at times, but he generally understands and obeys the rules. Although his extremely stubbornly behavior can cause a lot of damage when he refuses to accept reliable sources that contradict his opinions, it has proven a moderating factor when he was dealing with disruptive users on the other side of the political divide (some of whom have since parted with this project, due to well-deserved admin intervention). The one or two articles I've seen him start from scratch were rather well-balanced and interesting, and, at the very least, his bias is occasionally a breath of fresh air (in comparison to the tiresome and spurious nationalist bias of the type that has flooded ro wiki). Dahn 20:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Anonimu
I've requested arbitration with regards to Anonimu's incivility. The request can be found here. Will (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)