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Hello Guy, there are a few responses and a proposal for resolution in regards to the ongoing AMA case in which you are involved. However, the contents of the discussion are located on my talk page, on Rfwoolf's talk page and on the AMA case page. Your input at this time would be appreciated. Cheers, [[User:Dfrg.msc|Dfrg.ms]][[User:Dfrg.msc|c]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Dfrg.msc|1]] . [[Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man|2]] . [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Dfrg.msc|Editor Review]]</sup></small> 01:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC) |
Hello Guy, there are a few responses and a proposal for resolution in regards to the ongoing AMA case in which you are involved. However, the contents of the discussion are located on my talk page, on Rfwoolf's talk page and on the AMA case page. Your input at this time would be appreciated. Cheers, [[User:Dfrg.msc|Dfrg.ms]][[User:Dfrg.msc|c]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Dfrg.msc|1]] . [[Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man|2]] . [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Dfrg.msc|Editor Review]]</sup></small> 01:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC) |
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My son wrote the article for "The Three Robbers" by Tomi Ungerer. His grammar is not always clear. |
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Could you please undelete the article for "The Three Robbers" and I will be happy to clean it up. |
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List of episodes for The Nick Cannon Show - dozens of one line articles need merging into the list. Shw cancelled due to low ratings, unlikely that there will ever be sufficient interest to justify articles on every episode.
Chirstianty
First of all not my band and secondly you guys are topic nazi on here I mean actually make this place appealing to everyone.
Thanks
For dealing with the JB196 situation. Can I get some input here please? See my comments for the reasoning. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 19:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Please check your email, g.c@spamcop.net for subj: Ackoz / Azmoc aftermath --66.58.130.56 13:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- I replied by mail. You need WP:OVERSIGHT, I would break more than you could imagine if I tried to fix that. Guy (Help!) 22:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Your unbiased opinion
I am asking your opinion because you and I usually disagree on the few articles to which we both contribute, and so I think others will trust your opinion if you happen to agree with me. There is a WP:BLP that I have contributed to and still watch on Sarah_Shahi. There have been many things done to the article which I feel do harm to the article's significance, so much so that I have given up contributing. I believe that the Talk was archived in bad faith to hide the previous discussions, and I want to know if you agree with that assessment.
In my opinion, the Talk was not unusually long and was not difficult to navigate. The person who archived the Talk has since been permanently blocked from editing WP. The user's own talk page has repeatedly been deleted or blanked by the user, also in my opinion to hide the previous discussions.
If you agree with my assessment of the bad faith archival, how should I go about reverting the archival? I think the same changes discussed in the recent past continue to take place without the possible benefit of past debates and concensus.
By the way, I know you're busy, and this is a particularly low priority article. I will not be offended in any way if you are never able to find the time to review the situation or comment. At least the archive is always available.
--JJLatWiki 17:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's a reasonable request and no kind of distraction. I don't think it's necessary to rehash the debate by de-archiving, sometimes a fresh start is good. If you have cited facts you should feel free to put them in and if a new sock pops up then I can play whack-a-mole with the best of them. Obviously rumour and trivia are questionable even if they are not defamatory, but the idea that trivia is defamatory unless sourced from IMDB is completely absurd - IMDB is not actually that reliable anyway. Interviews and profiles in magazines and books are the best source. What does Halliwell say, I wonder? Anyway, I would say you can safely ignore Technajunky and his hosiery drawer, and I removed the copyright comment from the image tag because it's complete bollocks, iff a credible argument can be made that a fair use image is not replaceable then it can go in. Guy (Help!) 22:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. Good point about the "fresh start". I wish the purpose for the archival had been for that reason or to keep the talk page reasonably sized, but I will leave it as is and see what happens next. Unless it is outrageous, I don't pay close attention to actor articles. Beside, that article is among a group that I think are being monitored and protected by a particular cabal that I just don't have the time to fight for this article. I couldn't agree more about IMDB. Obviously I disagreed with Technajunky about what was too trivial for such an article, but his methods were extremely agressive. --JJLatWiki 23:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
A small request...
I noticed you recently contributed to the article Derek Smart. I was wondering if you would be able to revert an edit that was done a very short time before the article was previously protected. The edit[1] was agreed by the majority of contributers to be from a non-neutral POV, and only serves to spread non-verified hearsay into the article in an effort to make the subject appear to be especially irrational. As this is a biography of a living person, I think that it would be best to comment it out to be on the safe side. I am contacting you because you seem to have taken the most recent interest in this article, and you are able to make edits on the level of an admin.
Thank you, in any case, for your consideration. Mael-Num 21:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Unlikely. That discussion is so obscured by the strewings form Smart's hosiery drawer as to make any realistic attempt to assess consensus futile. You might have more luck with User:Phil Sandifer, who is better informed on gaming than I am (and, unlike me, actually cares about it). Guy (Help!) 22:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- It doesn't take an intimate understanding of gaming to see what's going on here. The question is, is it important to a biography of Derek Smart to reprint the claim by some that he beat up a Coke machine? I think it's kinda silly, a bunch of other people think it's kinda silly. I mean, it makes a great story, but do you put it in an encyclopedia? I'm just asking you put back in the comment tags. You seemed to think it was important to keep the language in the article neutral, so it seemed natural to appeal to you to keep the information in the article pertinent and fair. Mael-Num 00:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- So you say. But according to the RFAR, you are either a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet of Derek Smart, so why would I take your word for it, or that of any of the other single-purpose accounts for that matter. Like I said, take it to someone like Phil who actually cares. Me, I have very limited patience for usenet trolls trying to use Wikipedia to airbrush their public persona. Guy (Help!) 09:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- If it is true that the RFAR has found me to be a puppet of any kind of Derek Smart, then I'm afraid that the RFAR must be some of the worst detectives on the planet. Unless an IP check has been done on me, and proved that I resolve to the same (or nearly the same) IP as the others, there's no evidence of that claim. Also, if you check my edits, you'll see I'm no fan of Smart, or whitewashing the truth. I also don't write anything like those other fellows (fellow?). So, given that conclusion (that I'm a puppet) in the absence of any real evidence, I'd say there's more than reasonable doubt of my innocence.
- All that aside, if you'd prefer not to make that edit, or you don't see my point about the reason the change, or you choose not to see relevance of the straw vote that agreed it was inappropriate, then that's your preference and your position, and I don't blame you for having it. Thank you all the same for your time and consideration. Cheers. Mael-Num 00:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- And, uh, now that you mention it...I can see where this whole Derek Smart puppet-thing is starting to make me look bad. I mean, you don't know me from Adam, and your first impression of me is that I'm a puppet. If I am, as I say, some completely different guy, you might see how that's a bummer. How would you suggest I go about clearing my name? Mael-Num 01:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Having just noticed this discussion I think I should say that during the few weeks since the start of the RFAr, I've decided that Mael-Num probably isn't one of Derek Smart's accounts. At the time of writing my initial statement, the only time Mael-Num had edited was during a two week period while Supreme Cmdr was blocked (Supreme Cmdr evades blocks on his main account like mad, so I don't think this was an irrational assumption to make), but my opinion changed after reading sensible edits made by him (her?) on the RFAr (which is the opposite of what we get from Smart).
As for this coke machine bit in the Derek Smart article itself, I think our time would be better spent on the RFAr than re-starting the dispute over the article's content. There will be plenty of time (in relative peace and quiet) after the arbitration case has ended to discuss what bits have consensus and what bits don't. -- Steel 01:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- Wow, thanks for offering your input, as I know you're very familiar with what's going on. I also really appreciate your speaking up for the likelihood that I'm not someone else (and just FYI, I be a he). My only concern was that, in the time that this information stays up, anyone who casually stops by wondering "Who is this Derek Smart guy?" might read the article and conclude "He attacks soda machines, and therefore must be nuts". All in all, it's not like that story hasn't already gotten around, and I respect your position that it is best to wait until the RFAR is concluded.
- Thanks again, to both of you, for addressing my concerns. I feel much better about the whole situation. Mael-Num 01:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks,. Steel. The text is not defamatory, so there is no pressing need to change it, waiting until the dust settles first sounds like good advice. Mael-Num, the best way to clear your name is simply to improve the encyclopaedia - the more articles unrelated to Smart that you edit and improve, the more it will become apparent that you are your own man :-) Guy (Help!) 11:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
RFC discussion on WP:AN
Hey there. In response to your comment about my thoughts on the RfC system, I'm going to try and write up a vague outline of my idea tomorrow afternoon, and post it as a subpage when I've got it formed. I think that'd be a good starting point. Would you like me to let you know when it's up and ready for thoughts? Tony Fox (arf!) 07:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I've got a writeup placed on my sandbox page; feel free to take a blunt object to it if you like. I think I've got all the key bits I wanted to convey in there, anyhow. Basically, I think it's an opportunity to provide some needed closure as well as organization to the process. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- Good ideas on your changes so far; the additional clerk duties are good additions. I like the second summary style as well; my sample was mostly to indicate how a summary could be done to ensure that all of the viewpoints involved were represented. I've removed all the references to the actual case, as well. Needs some polishing, still. What are your overall thoughts on the idea so far? Tony Fox (arf!) 16:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- The overall idea is sound, but we should not make the process legalistic. It's designed to cut the crap not increase it. Adding summaries of the views in the dispute shuld be optional, for use when the views themselves ramble (and actually clerks should be getting people to keep their statements to under 500 words anyweay, as per ArbCom). If agreement can't be reached in a week or two it's probably never going to be reached, arbitration or mediation comes next. Guy (Help!) 17:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed completely. I've made a few more minor tweaks and clarified that it's not intended to be bureaucratic, but more of a secondary assistance. See if I've done anything to bugger it up, please, and if you feel there's anything else that should be adjusted, please feel free. After that, I'll move it to its own subpage and post a note on the Proposals page to get some discussion going with other people. (I think that's the right route to go, anyhow... first time I've done this, so it's a learning experience.) Tony Fox (arf!) 03:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- The overall idea is sound, but we should not make the process legalistic. It's designed to cut the crap not increase it. Adding summaries of the views in the dispute shuld be optional, for use when the views themselves ramble (and actually clerks should be getting people to keep their statements to under 500 words anyweay, as per ArbCom). If agreement can't be reached in a week or two it's probably never going to be reached, arbitration or mediation comes next. Guy (Help!) 17:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
My offer to Ilena
My response to Ilena's continued personal atacks all over the place (as well as my offer to her) can be found here. -- Fyslee 11:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
CDH
I thought It was probabaly going to diverge on the noticebaord, so I brought t here :)
The shortest article I can conceive of is "The following bunch of lamebrains and weirdos think the WTC buildings were brought down by a massive conspiracy rather than a handful of terrorists with aircraft.", but I suspect that is a little too POV ;)
It is getting shorter. It's way too long, but those who are working hard inside it seem to be cutting rather than adding. The only other solution would be to content fork the various sections, but imagine the bunting and frolics that would cause.
At least most of the tone is now NPOV, and pretty much all claims are cited. It shoudl certainly never say "thsi is right" or "this is wrong", but leave any reader able to make an educated decision.
I'm more, I think, of an interested bystander. I have peripheral expertise only and tend to stand back and criticise the article rather than write any of it. Fiddle Faddle 12:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- :o) I think the suggestion was that the theory has been propounded by foo and bar (Jones and whoever) but lacks any mainstream support and has not been accepted for publication by any reputable peer-reviewed journal. It's not necessary to actually say that it is the work of deluded individuals clutching at straws to support a world-view that directly contradicts the available evidence and violates Occam's Razor into the bargain. Guy (Help!) 13:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- It's always struck me as rather odd that there are two armed camps. The one camp looks at the article and says "The article must go because nothing must interfere with my nation's judgement about terrorists" and the other says "You are deluded if you believe the government view. The article must show how wrong the government is". How fortunate that we have consensus politics here that recognise that an article should exist, and are simply trying to shape the one we have into the one that deserves its place :) Fiddle Faddle 13:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. I am certainly no supporter of Shrub, the idea that we must support him because he is a "war president" in a war he himself declared (and post-facto at that) has always struck me as contemptible, but when looking for explanations as to why the buildings went down, being hit by sixty tons of aircraft fully loaded with a few thousand gallons of kerosene which promptly caught fire does look, on the face of it, to be a plausible enough explanation that looking under the carpets for explosive residues is probably unnecessary. Even more than the Roswell business, I am struck by the fact that this conspiracy theory requires the involvement of very large numbers of people, none of whom have so much as whispered a word of it. Ask Richard Nixon about the real-world likelihood of a completely leak-free conspiracy, particularly where politics is involved. Add to that the fact that it would require an almost total absence of conscience to wilfully detonate explosives in a building full of people and you raise a very high burden of proof on those who propose the theory. Thus far the limit of their proof appears to be "well, you can't conclusively prove it didn't happen", and that assertion is itself based on the fact that any evidence or proof advanced by any agency that does not accept or support the hypothesis is rejected out of hand simply on that basis. It's rather like Kent Hovind rejecting any evidence for evolution on the basis that it contradicts his interpretation of the Bible, and then asserting that this in and of itself means that creationism is proven as literally true. We know these people are deluded, and we sure as hell should not be helping them to make their case, but that doesn't stop us documenting the phenomenon. Guy (Help!) 13:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thinking about it, the conditions which must apply for the CDH to eb true are, to my mind:
- The Gubmint decides that it is worth killing thousands of US citizens to rpovoke a war
- They decide that running airliners into the World Trade Center would be a more effective way of doing this than, say, a fake-terrorist bomb blast at the Superbowl (which would probably be a lot easier to arrange)
- They find enough people with expertise in controlled demolition of extremely large buildings that they can build a big enough team without worrying that a single member will ever breathe a word
- They manage to get the explosives into the building past the tenants' floor security (and remember, these are banks)
- They find some people who are prepared to commit suicide in the cause of killing American citizens and provoking a war with Iraq, train them to fly and get them on the planes
- They crash the planes into the buildings, detonate the explosives and then arrange for the President to appear to be completely callous by failing to take it seriously (lovely piece of rverse psychology there)
- They manage to dupe every single structural engineer and demolition specialist who visited Ground Zero (or maybe they are all in on the conspiracy as well?)
- The alternative, prosaic explanation is:
- Terorrists decided to attack the States and hatched the plan of flying airliners into the towers
- They managed just that
- The plan succeeded better than they could have dreamed, because not only did the uildings get wiped off the face of the earth, a bunch of people actually started mad theories about how is was all the work of the Evil Gubmint.
- It will be readily apparent which view I prefer. Guy (Help!) 13:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thinking about it, the conditions which must apply for the CDH to eb true are, to my mind:
- Well, that is easy. Obviously you are 100% with the conspiracy theorists. Otherwise you would not argue against them. I claim Lady Macbeth Fiddle Faddle 14:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- You are Oolon Colluphid and I claim my five pounds :o) Guy (Help!) 14:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Wasn't that Lobby Lud? Look, here's sixpence! It's bright and shiny, and you can get six pennyworth of chips all wrapped in the Westmister Gazette Fiddle Faddle 15:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- See Babel fish :-) Guy (Help!) 15:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- I surrender. I looked. Either it is not there or I missed it Fiddle Faddle 17:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- See Babel fish :-) Guy (Help!) 15:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Wasn't that Lobby Lud? Look, here's sixpence! It's bright and shiny, and you can get six pennyworth of chips all wrapped in the Westmister Gazette Fiddle Faddle 15:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- You are Oolon Colluphid and I claim my five pounds :o) Guy (Help!) 14:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, that is easy. Obviously you are 100% with the conspiracy theorists. Otherwise you would not argue against them. I claim Lady Macbeth Fiddle Faddle 14:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- You're not at all strange, are you. It's good to meet another ordinary person. I am forced to say "Wibble". Fiddle Faddle 20:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Vintila RfC
Is this issue resolved? If so I will archive the RfC. Guy (Help!) 16:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- It's resolved for me. Which is to say, all I wanted was a clear denial. Whether it is resolved for Dahn is up to him to say. - Jmabel | Talk 17:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi. Well, I guess that, since he denied it and did not object to the changes in text (although he failed to tell us where he had gotten the references from, leading to phrases being unreferenced), the issue could be closed. As far as I am concerned, if he has copied and this is evidenced, or if he will be caught copying, his recorded denial will be evidence of bad faith. So, yes. Dahn 20:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
"Bootleg albums are by nature almost without exception undocumentable per policy"
Hi... I know noting about the specific albums you were talking about, but I must take exception to this general statement. This excellent book talks about several noteworthy, historic bootlegs, such as The Beatles' Get Back and Dylan's Royal Albert Hall. —Chowbok ☠ 23:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- The exceptions that prove the rule. The vast majority, almost all, are not formally verifiable. Guy (Help!) 23:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
JB196's link spam blacklisted?
I saw that DOI had been blacklisted, but this diff suggests otherwise. Does it take a while to come into effect? He's also trying to link to a forum posting of his "book", see here. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 00:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- He seems to be back on a new IP [2]. Also he seems to be linking to the DOI site through a different domain name as well *link removed*. One Night In Hackney 02:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- And another sock. If you check the end of the edit on this diff he's adding the DOI link using proxy forwarding. One Night In Hackney 03:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- Blocked, proxy taken to spam blacklist requests. Guy (Help!) 11:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- The more cynical would suggest Slipup21 is a JB196 sock as well. I can't provide diffs due to the spam blacklist, but if you look at the history of Tommy Dreamer. Anon IP edits at 02:32, then Slipup21 edits at 02:36. Similarly with XPW. On the 16th anon IP edits at 03:40, then Slipup21 edits at 03:42. Same again on the 17th, anon IP edits at 02:34 then Slipup21 edits at 02:36. Apart from their user page, the only edits Slipup21 has made were to those two articles at the exact same time as the anon IPs. I'm also thinking Pipperskipper is a sock for similar reasons, only editing articles the anon IPs were inserting links to at the same time. Seems like he's using multiple throwaway accounts now. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 12:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- His achievements to date include getting DOI, a favourite site of his, blacklisted, and identifying a couple of proixies which are now blacklisted as well, which might almost count as a service to the project :-) Guy (Help!) 13:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- How very nice of him :) I'm thinking www.clandrake.org might need to be blacklisted for similar reasons, he tried adding a link using it which didn't seem to work, but it does look like the type of site that needs blacklisting. One Night In Hackney 13:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- His achievements to date include getting DOI, a favourite site of his, blacklisted, and identifying a couple of proixies which are now blacklisted as well, which might almost count as a service to the project :-) Guy (Help!) 13:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- The more cynical would suggest Slipup21 is a JB196 sock as well. I can't provide diffs due to the spam blacklist, but if you look at the history of Tommy Dreamer. Anon IP edits at 02:32, then Slipup21 edits at 02:36. Similarly with XPW. On the 16th anon IP edits at 03:40, then Slipup21 edits at 03:42. Same again on the 17th, anon IP edits at 02:34 then Slipup21 edits at 02:36. Apart from their user page, the only edits Slipup21 has made were to those two articles at the exact same time as the anon IPs. I'm also thinking Pipperskipper is a sock for similar reasons, only editing articles the anon IPs were inserting links to at the same time. Seems like he's using multiple throwaway accounts now. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 12:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- Blocked, proxy taken to spam blacklist requests. Guy (Help!) 11:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- And another sock. If you check the end of the edit on this diff he's adding the DOI link using proxy forwarding. One Night In Hackney 03:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations! You are in the credits of our movie. Good job Guy. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . Editor Review 05:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you. I am commited not to disappoint the all those who have shown good faith and kindness to me. nobs 01:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Help! Am I being threatened
Kindly come to my talk page [3] where it seems an editor seems to be threatening me for stating the facts. Wikipedia is known for exposing Diploma mills and bogus universities. This is exactly what I have done, and now I am being attacked for that. Please check the bottom section of the talk page The Hermes 07:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Also could you look at Institute for Creation Research. A user is removing detailed history and messing with the criticism section that demonstrates their claims are based on premodern science. PatriotBible 19:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Is this a sock puppet[4]? That user has only editted two articles? PatriotBible 23:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Another admitted sock puppet. I worked with your edits. If you don't want anyone to touch anything you write, then you don't understand the concept of wikipedia. You, on the other hand, blatantly reverted all of my work without comment, even the areas that didn't touch on your additions. He wrote "his work" and "I worked with your edits." A look at user history shows that account didn't edit that article.
- This user is trying to white wash this group's history and limit criticisms. PatriotBible 06:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- Earsed his talk pages. PatriotBible 18:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- I am currently at a loss on the best way to deal with this user. He seems to come to you with anything that bothers him, so perhaps you have insight that I lack. I felt that rather than be confused with being a separate user contributing to the ICR article, that it was appropriate for me to show I was already an anon IP poster on the article before using my actual login, and this is the course of action I took. Also, concensus editing from PatriotBible at this point seems to be not allowing any alterations to information he adds and doing complete reverts to all changes done by any user who touches his edits, even in areas where his edits were not affected. At least this has been my experience. As this is probably not the best way for wikipedia to operate, I have been at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. I am hoping that by writing this to you that it might work itself out. If that is the case, then thank you in advance for allowing me to express myself. Cheers Bbagot 21:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- More again. So this person is using three accounts to make changes. Bbagot, show who a list of self-publications is notable. I did not remove it, but I agree with its removal. You (and your sock puppets) are the only one who wants to keep it. PatriotBible 22:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- Statements are not reality merely because you make them. Why don't you just say I'm 5 or 6 different people? It's equally as valid. I explained myself above. Bbagot 00:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
DekiWiki
Please unprotect this page, you speedied it as non-notable, news stories have since been provided on the talk page to establish notability. Try using google sometime. 88.107.120.90 12:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Deletion review is down the hall on your left, but it was endorsed less than a fortnight ago so you will have a bit of an uphill battle. Guy (Help!) 13:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Attack of the wrestling fans
This Afd seems to be going south very quickly. One Night In Hackney 19:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Guy - I understand your block of User:pdigrl, and your subsequent removal of the articles he created, but unless I'm mistaken, the GRLWEAP article had been cleaned up by myself and/or User:Basar to be somewhat non-spammy. Can you please restore that article (to User:Argyriou/GRLWEAP if necessary), at least back to the last edit by someone other than User:pdigrl? Thanks, Argyriou (talk) 21:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The Paul Hendry article has been recreated once again, and the author is removing the speedy tag I've placed. Could you have a look please? Readro 00:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Theguywholikestoeditstuff
He just recreated the page again, I believe. -Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 00:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Remember RFA?
Hi Guy? Remember when I asked you some pretty tricky, biased and perhaps even compromisingly rude questions? I was wondering if you could return the favour here? Thank you! --CyclePat 01:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- Never mind I failed miserably. --CyclePat 02:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Pdigrl
I monitor the unblock list and Pdigrl (talk · contribs) is requesting an unblock. I left a message on that user's page indicating that she really needs to contact the blocking admin. I'm just giving you a heads-up. --Yamla 17:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Pacific Western University and WP:OFFICE action
Hello; I just reverted your rewrite on this article, with explanation on that talk page. Nice job with the citations and all that, but you need to follow the rules for getting the changes cleared with WMF if you are under a WP:OFFICE banner. I spent a healthy chunk of time on the phone with counsel dealing with this today. I would have liked to have known this was going to be the case.--Brad Patrick 21:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- Brad, I took this up with Jimbo and he told me to go right ahead. What more am I supposed to do? Guy (Help!) 21:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- I suggest that any further discussion of this miscommunication occur off-Wiki. Newyorkbrad 21:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
offline
Until tomorrow at the earliest, ADSL outage in Reading. JzG 193.133.239.201 23:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Deletion question
I'm curious about this deletion. I don't see how this was a speedy candidate...is one of the leading Barbados-based manufacturers of solar hot water systems in the Caribbean region is certainly an assertion of notability. The article creator seems very disenchanted with process here (e.g., he filed and then removed a DRV request, and is concerned about systematic bias. He's a solid and dedicated editor and one of the top 3 contributers to articles about the English-speaking Caribbean. If nothing else, it might be nice to explain what went on and why you consider the article to really have been a speedy candidate. Thanks. Guettarda 17:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Questionable call, I guess. I restored it, but I still think it looks spammy - namecheck for founder, no evidence of turnover etc. However, the prevalence of solar power in that region makes it more significant than I thought at the time. I'd AfD it as failing WP:CORP but I'm guessing that the creator could do with some Wikilove right now, so I'll leave it to you to decide what, if anything, to do. Guy (Help!) 18:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Guy - I appreciate it. Guettarda 18:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Third opinion
I'd appreciate a third opinion at Talk:Brown people. You might like to swing past the AfD discussion page, too. Uncle G 19:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Please help.
Dear JZG (GUY),
thank you for your reply in regard to the deletion of Matt Norman. I am a journalist who has taken a big interest in the story of this film-maker and also the subject matter of the film that he has made. Its a time in history that finally gets to be revealed to the World because the subject matter is the uncle of this film-maker. As you can see by doing a goodle/yahoo and Wikipedia search, there is a lot of information about the 1968 Games, Black Power Salute, Peter Norman etc. I think it's crucial to have the name of the film-maker who is about to change history in the way that this event actually happened. I have spoken with the film-maker about this and let him know that I would be putting information about this on Wikipedia. He and his company have agreed that I can look after that for me so I do have a connection with this story. I was hoping that finally I could get an administrator like yourself to help edit my last article so that at least people have a place to go? Is it possible for your help making sure that the right thing is written so that it doesn't keep getting deleted? I ask for your help. Filmnews2007 01:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Salute - The Peter Norman Story(film) -- you have to be kidding me.?
JzG,
C'mon you have to be kidding me. I ask that you please undelete this article that I spent hours doing. To say that it has no notability is wrong. Please search the web and tell me if you truly think that this is not a part of history that documents the truth of what happened during one of the most dramatic moments in history. The person that made this film is actually the nephew of Peter Norman. I am getting sick of re-writing these articles knowing that they are being added to Wikipedia purely for Historic study. I suggest you actually look over the links and do a little searching of your own to find the notability of this film. Hate to say this but if LA Times, Washington Post, New York Times, Fox Sports etc etc etc think that this is the most important sporting and history story of the past decade then why is it that you have deleted it??????? Enough is enough. Please re-instate this! I feel like i'm editing these pages full time because there are a few people as administrators that know nothing about this part of history and the importance it has on our world. Filmnews2007 01:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Where are the external sources? The story we already have, it's the film that's the issue - it does not even seem to have been released yet. Guy (Help!) 09:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
You have been named in an RfArb
I hate to do this, but you have also been involved in the controversies with Ilena and myself, so you are being named in an (IMO premature) RfArb here. Please add your comments. -- Fyslee 10:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Your comment to Peter
Guy, I don't think time ever heals some wounds, like the death of someone you love. The pain can lessen with time. I am sorry about your loss. Jance 16:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Newyorkbrad's RfA
Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning, as well as for your kind comments accompanying your !vote. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 19:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
MfD "vote"
Hi Guy, I just wanted to double check whether this is your edit. Bucketsofg 20:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks for checking. My broadband went down and I was using my Blackberry, which is Teh Suck. Guy (Help!) 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Gracias
Thanks for the kind words. Always glad to bump into you around Wikipedia. Tijuana Brass 21:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
can you have a look at Google SketchUp 6
Can you have a look at Google SketchUp 6 external links, really close to Spam Event Horizon. 131.111.8.104 23:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
JzG, you're from Yorkshire aren't you?? I've set up the Wikipedia:WikiProject West Yorkshire, feel free to help me expand on it. I'm trying to get new members for this wikiproject, all help is much appreciated. --SunStar Nettalk 11:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Nay, lad, ah'm from down South. Born in Hertfordshire and live in Berkshire. Guy (Help!) 11:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
WP:RFI stuck
Could you please take a look at this RFI mess and either handle it or delete it if you agree with me that this is all silly.
IMO, this whole board should follow straight the WP:PAIN's path into history 'cause those who used PAIN as the substitute for Wikipedia:Request to block my opponent now turned to RFI as the means to settle scores. Durova was investigating this "report" but she seems to be having hardware problems and this leaves the user under the threat of an "investigation" of an uncertain length. If you have time, please handle this issue to the best of your judgment. Once it is settled, I will submit this board for XfD. No need for shortcuts to win content disputes. --Irpen 17:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Seventh-day Adventist Deletions
I noticed that you have nominated a number of my articles for deletion that relate to Seventh-day Adventists. Could you please keep them? I am working on trying to expand them and it is taking time to track down all the necessary sources and several others I have noticed have done some work on them, too. William Paul Bradley, Francis M. Wilcox, and Kenneth H. Wood. I noticed that you stated that the editor of the "Watchtower" would be significant, but not the main periodical by Seventh-day Adventists, the "Review and Herald" (or today the "Adventist Review"). While there are hundreds of Adventist periodicals (I am the chair of a Seventh-day Adventist archive located at Loma Linda University), this is the most important periodical published by Adventists, a group that totals approximately 15 million members with an attendance of around 25 million each Sabbath. The editor of this church paper is usually a very influential person, someone who relates to other religious leaders, and I think merits inclusion on Wikipedia (although I also recognize the articles need expansion and sources)--which is happening to many of my other articles that I have started. In addition, the prophetic voice of Ellen G. White is a significant component of understanding Adventism, and hence I think the chair of the board of the Ellen G. White Estate is also worthy of including. I responded to each of your requests for deletion. Would you please not just delete them but give them some due consideration? thewalkingstick 22 January 2007
- A small number, yes, because they don't appear to meet our criteria for biographies, the primary notability criterion is that they have been the subject of multiple on-trivial coverage in reliable independent secondary sources, and there is no evidence in the articles that they have been. The fact that White is notable is not disputed but that certainly does not make every administrator of the trust notable by extension. I'm pretty sure that most editors of the Catholic Herald or Watchtower wouldn't qualify for an article, and we don't even have ana rticle on the Sikh Messenger although for example Indarjit Singh would undoubtedly qualify, because of his many appearances on the highly influential Today programme (Redlink! Scandalous. Not for long). But I am not going to delete them, I have submitted them to the community for debate. Guy (Help!) 22:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Would appreciate your comment -
Regarding [5]. Thanks. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
NPOV tyag
Why did you remove the NPOV tag at brown poeple while you were protecting it. This is a clear case of admin abuse as you have edited the article yourself and while in a protected state. I willr eport you if this isnt fixed pretty quick, SqueakBox 20:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Because there is no substantive complaint about the neutrality of the article, which is written by one of our most respected, and in this case disinterested, editors. You are disputing how the term is used in the real world, whereas this article accurately reflects how the real world uses the term. If you feel that there is a substantive problem with the accuracy or neutrality of the article, based on reliable sources you can cite, then feel free to propose changes on Talk, but the only issues you've raised thus far are based on sources we simply can't use. Uncle G really is an honest broker here, and entirely open to changes based on credible sourcing. "I think this subject sucks" is not a valid basis for an article tag, though. Guy (Help!) 22:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
vexatious
Nice use of that word. :) David D. (Talk) 23:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
AMA Case
Hello Guy, there are a few responses and a proposal for resolution in regards to the ongoing AMA case in which you are involved. However, the contents of the discussion are located on my talk page, on Rfwoolf's talk page and on the AMA case page. Your input at this time would be appreciated. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . Editor Review 01:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
My son wrote the article for "The Three Robbers" by Tomi Ungerer. His grammar is not always clear. Could you please undelete the article for "The Three Robbers" and I will be happy to clean it up.
Thank you.