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December 2010
The article Ernst Gehrcke says without qualification the "he discovered anode rays". I do not dispute this because I have not a clue about the matter, but it sits uncomfortably with the article "Anode Rays", which does not mention Gehrcke, but refers to Goldstein, Wein, and even J.J.Thompson. I would contribute, but it is so far out of my field that it would take too long to be worth while. JonRichfield (talk) 12:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
October 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, you may not know that Wikipedia has a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Using different styles throughout the encyclopedia, as you did in Thorns, spines, and prickles, makes it harder to read. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Nadiatalent (talk) 17:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to Peter Medawar appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe this important core policy. Thank you. Fæ (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for your assistance. Note that a neutral point of view is one thing; a refusal to engage in evaluation is another. If the remarks had been just an expression of my personal hero worship, I could understand your objections, but I supported the observations with citation both of Medawar's own works and the remarks of his alumni and a major current author in related genres. If this is not justified, then what is? JonRichfield (talk) 16:41, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- You said that PM was a "superlative science writer for the educated reader", this was your personal analysis rather than a quote and so counts as original research. Articles are encyclopaedic entries rather than essays, consequently it is not acceptable to go beyond what reliable sources state. You stated that "Medawar clearly ranks as one of the 20th century's finest writers of English prose by any standard", again this appears to be your personal recommendation only weakly supported by a reference to a website and a book rather than, say, a quotation from a respected academic. Unfortunately your paragraph remains non-neutral and unsuitable text for the article. If you still disagree and would like other opinions on the matter, please raise it for discussion on the article talk page, or possibly raise a request at WP:3O for a more formal independent opinion. In the meantime I shall have to remove for a second time, please do not replace your text multiple times without such discussion as suggested or it may be seen as inappropriate edit warring. For help on how talk pages are laid out see WP:TALK. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 17:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
About the Common name article
Hello JonRichfield and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for a very enthusiastic start in your editing. It does however take everyone new a while to get used to the standards and guidelines here. Many of the new edits you made to common name are not suitable for an encyclopedia article. Although your additions are lively and well-written, as well as intelligent, they are more along the lines of what one would write in a personal essay on the subject, and they are too close to representing your own point of view. On Wikipedia this is not considered appropriate, as we need to use published sources rather than what we call "original research", our own synthesis of ideas, even if those ideas are based on those of other recognized experts. To get a better idea of how the clearest and best-supporting writing here goes, you may want to look at several of the Featured Articles on Wikipedia. A list is here: [1]. All best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 21:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
- Hello IZ, and thanks for your friendly welcome. I apologise for the CN item, but it was a work in progress that got interrupted (and nearly forgotten). You see, a lot of my contributions lately have taken the form of reactions to existing material. I see something and observe a lacuna or even an error. Ah! Lets make it good. Oh! I wish to use a term not aforementioned (or not Xref'd) in the article; is there an existing article or adequate Wiktionary entry? No? Create an entry. Darn! Another word. No article. OK, put something into Wikt. Damn! The bloody subject explodes! For example "Apodous" was a simple word just about worth a wiki entry. It now is several pages in a file on my desktop and I am struggling to get back and complete it. It got shunted aside by the words it created references to, such as sidewinder.
- The problem there is that topics hang together. I cannot effectively hold onto everything until it is complete, and nor can (almost?) anyone else with anything useful to say. Look through WP and you will see that half the most useful articles are inadequately cited and xref'd. The Scots said that half-done work should not be shown to bairns and fools. It is better to put up something incomplete till someone improves (never finishes!) it. You might say that one should not put it to bed till it is completed offline, but that entails a far more damaging effect: You and I each write something about Apody, say. While I am busy you post your effort. Then I come and I have a big article to paste over yours. And then maybe vice versa. Much better that I had posted a rudiment that you had tagged with a rebuke and perhaps some augmentations. Then I do the next round in constructive context with your bits and you do another round and so on. No harm and no loss, in fact net gain, as long as we are not stupidly malicious enough to waste our efforts on posting wars.
- As for the personal essay aspect, it is not as simple as it sounds. Certainly the aspects of Common names that I had been coming back to were exactly the essay-ness and a few others. However, many people take that "standard" to counter-constructive lengths. It is in fact not practicable to omit all forms of opinion in writing an article, and to the extent that one might try to produce anything of the type, it would be impoverished and even sterile if it contained nothing that was not abstracted from already printed sources. If for example I am to state that say, one can derive the divisibility of the sums of the inner numbers of the prime rows of Pascal's triangle from Fermat's little theorem (to which I give a reference), from the fact that such a row sum takes the form of 2^P-2, then the fact that I have demonstrated it in the article (whether I know where to find such a fact elsewhere or not) makes it adequate as it stands. There is nothing that the reader cannot cannot verify for himself.
- If OTOH, I am to claim that the larvae of fruit can jump (for which I can find a printed ref somewhere) but that the larvae of certain carrion flies that are sometimes a pest on salted fish are far better and more active leapers (which I know to be true, but cannot reference) then that (GHU!!!) is personal research... Well OK I guess. I have better suggestions, but don't know whether to waste my time.
- It's like that with the common names. I'll go back asap, and try to Fermatize that article, but just at present I am trying to reach the surface of a lot of other half-done work. (Including Apody, which has emerged as a far more important theme for now. )
- Cheers,
- Hmmm... I am not sure I have replied in the right format. Plz say how else I should have done it if appropriate
- Jon
- JonRichfield (talk) 07:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello again Jon. As you spend more time on Wikipedia you will discover that the entire encyclopedia is a work in progress and every part of it is constantly in need of improving, correcting and updating. However if you really do want to try to "perfect" an article, you may find you have to concentrate all your energies on just one article, and try to bring that article up to Good Article (GA) status and after that to Featured Article (FA) status, both of which require other editors to review the article and suggest improvements which must be addressed before that status is awarded. Wikipedia is above all else a collaboration.
This is all the more reason to read a number of already existing Good Articles and Featured Articles, and more importantly to read the necessary criteria for GA and FA, as explained here [2] and here [3]. By the way, it is perfectly OK to leave red links in an article, you don't have to immediately make them into blue links by starting new articles for every concept that currently does not have an article.
As for opinion, the fact that Wikipedia does not accept writing that expresses a point of view does indeed have the potential to make the articles more dry and boring, but writers do manage to get around that problem as you will see when you look at some FAs. The need for neutral point of view is essential in an encyclopedia.
The way you replied to my note was fine, but I have indented your replies so you can more easily see who wrote what here. If you wish to draw my attention to the fact that you have replied to me, you can leave a note on my talk page telling me to look at your talk page. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 13:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hello again Invertzoo,
- In passing, My son, who is more advanced in WP than I am, showed me how to activate popups, an irritating but very valuable facility. In general I am very impressed with the software support for Wikipedia. I am not sure that I am yet in general using the conversational and discussion facilities to anything like their best extent though. They strike me as being a bit clumsy in comparison to typical blog software.
- Anyway, my pop-up showed me that you had a serious family health crisis a year ago; I really hope that it has passed and left you all well.
- On a pleasanter topic, I also note that you are a malacologist; that suggests a certain compatibility; what I know about the Mollusca is dangerous, but I regard myself as a biologist who qualified as an entomologist, long since unfrocked (I defected to computing and subsequently spent most of my working life in that field. That did not however reduce my innate biophilia.
- Okay, meanwhile I appreciate your friendly and constructive communications. I have strong and idealistic views on Wikipedia, some of which I still am trying to formulate cogently. My son sympathises, but is kept fairly busy rubbing my nose in the realities of the endeavour.
- Now, one of my problems in principle is the point of “original research”. I appreciate the reason, but this “everything must be verifiable” thing makes no sense. Firstly, the idea that verification amounts to reference to a reputable publication ignores the fact that many a reputable publication contains rubbish. Secondly, suppose I find one reputable publication that says that woolly bears are caterpillars. I find another that says that caterpillars eclose into lepidopterans.
- The inference that woolly bears eclose into lepidopterans does not appear in either document. If I mention as common knowledge that some apparent caterpillars eclose into trichopterans or symphytans, or that it follows from the evidence that woolly bears eclose into lepidopterans, then that is “research”? And naughty? What if I publish a mathematical proof, such as a short, new proof of Fermat’s little theorem? (The prime power one, not the sums of powers one!) It involves nothing but references to arithmetic and some basic reasoning. Is that acceptable in a suitable context? (Say the context of counting sequences? Which is in fact the basis of the proof?) And yet it is original research in terms of the act, surely? Am I missing aught?
- Now, the current, friendlier attitude is an improvement on the reactions that drove me away a few years ago, but I reckon that a lot of deep thought still has to go into rationalisation of the rules.
- Dunno how you feel about this, or how widely I might find folk agreeing with me…?
- Meanwhile, all the best,
- Jon JonRichfield (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi again Jon, I do understand what you mean about whether or not small facts or small synthesis of facts do really need to be backed up with citations. If a statement is one that nobody is ever likely to challenge, such as for example that the common garden snail is a gastropod mollusk, it is not necessary to back that up with a reference. However any statement that is likely to raise disagreements ("likely to be challenged") does need to be backed up. You may want to look at what is said here: [4]. Yes, it is actually good to be idealistic about Wikipedia, but it is also good to balance that idealism with a realistic sense of the limitations of actual editing on a day-to-day basis. There are many practical considerations here. It does take a while to get the hang of what you can (realistically) and what you can't (realistically) do, as well as understanding what the most basic principles are on Wikipedia. Have you seen this page [5] ? Just so that you know, all of the various numerous guidelines here are developed and enforced by the community, not by individual editors. They do evolve over time, but gradually and by consensus. Anyway, it is late and I am starting to conk out, so I will stop now. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 00:59, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
You are very welcome Jon. Invertzoo (talk) 01:57, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Just a few minor points
Hi there. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia. I'd just like to point out a few minor things about standard Wikipedia formatting and style. When it comes to genera, species and other infrageneric taxa, the taxon name should be italicised using double apostrophes, like so: ''Genus species'' var. ''variety'' (this produces the italics: Genus species var. variety). Also, inline citations should be placed after punctuation (such as periods, commas, or semicolons), with a few exceptions; see the Manual of Style. Cheers and happy editing, mgiganteus1 (talk) 00:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- One more thing: it is unnecessary to pipe links to capitalised words; [[Genus|genus]] is exactly equivalent to [[genus]]. Cheers, mgiganteus1 (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hi MG, Many thanks for your helpful chirp, or whatever they call these talks. I'll try to remember the format conventions like italics etc. I prefer citations before closing punctuation, but if that is the convention, I suppose I could just about survive the adjustment!
- As for the capitalised links, OK, thanks. I did observe that they worked, but thought I would be tidy. No harm done, I reckon.
- Thanks again and go well,
- Cheers,
- JonRichfield (talk) 17:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Article improvements
Please suggest article improvements on the article's talk page, not on my talk page. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
About having one's edits reverted or rewritten
Hi Jon. I'm a very late to the party to say so, but welcome to Wikipedia! I'm just another volunteer editor, like yourself, btw; I'm not an administrator, that is. But I noticed your comments at AN/I re Ohnoitsjamie having reverted one of your contributions. I sleuthed through your contribution history a bit, and I infer this was at the Defenestration article. I've left some comments on the talk page there that you might like to review, but I also did want to just say a few words about reversion here on Wikipedia.
No one much likes having a contribution he makes reverted. I remember I was pretty incensed the first time someone did that to me; I got into a real tussle over it, actually. What I didn't know at the time is that its in no way unusual, and it's certainly not to be taken personally. On the contrary, it's fundamental to our editorial process here. Especially as the encyclopedia matures, edits to existing articles should be viewed in the vein of, "Let's run this up the flag pole, and see if anyone salutes." We even have a name for the process, "bold, revert, discuss". Editors here who have made tens of thousands of edits routinely find their contributions have been reverted. It takes some getting used to, working in an environment where that's a normal part of the process of collaboration, but I assure you it is, here. It's hardly ever meant to be aggressive or dismissive, and certainly isn't something to be taken personally, any more than one can possibly help doing.
It's also just extremely unusual for one editor to inform another when he's reverted that editor's contribution; there's no expectation that such notice will be given, and it hardly ever is. You really do need to "watchlist" articles that you have a particular interest in, if you want to be informed of changes to that article... That said, I will mention that I made some changes to Adventitious. I appreciated your expanding that article; it was nice work, overall. May I just mention a couple of things, though? One is that, in general, one should probably be cautious about changing section names. Many of our articles link not just to other Wikipedia articles, but also to specific section names within those articles. When you change a section name, those links break, and just "land" the reader who clicks on them at the top of the article. That might not make much sense, depending on the context. If you do need to change a section name, it's probably best to use the "anchor" template to make sure the links to the old section names continue to work properly.
Also, a couple of minor points: In section names, only the lead word is typically capitalized, per WP:MOS. Too, you might like to look at WP:OVERLINK. Common English words are usually not wikilinked. Again, thanks for your contributions. If you'd like to reply, you can do so right here, as I've temporarily watchlisted this page. Best regards, – OhioStandard (talk) 10:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi OS, “...late to the party to say so, but welcome to Wikipedia!” Much thanks. Your remarks have been very helpful in several respects and I appreciate your trouble. About reversion here on Wikipedia. What got me about OJ was not reversion as such. All my working life (I’m retired) I was subject to revision & criticism, and part of my duty was to do as much for my colleagues. What (slowly) got my goat was his habit of just sitting and refusing to reconsider in the face of evidence. Hmmm. I’ll have to give "bold, revert, discuss" a good read.
I take your point about the process, but I am concerned (not concerning MY bits of stuff in particular, but for WP in general). I understand that the recruitment of new contributors of high academic and professional standing has been shrinking worryingly. Wannabees and rock group groupies are ten a penny, but they always will be. I am afraid that I have no idea how to collect data to distinguish one from t’other. However, the more valuable the source, the likelier he is to take his ball and go home if he encounters an OJ instead of an OS. He seldom will ge around long enough to learn what is meant to be aggressive or dismissive, or something to be taken personally. I think that some of the WP principles are wrong-headed. I also take your point about “...unusual for one editor to inform another when he's reverted ...” I shall now routinely "watchlist" articles. “... nice work, overall.” Gramercy! :-) “May I just mention a couple of things, though?” Always!!! “...be cautious about changing section names. Many of our articles link not just to other Wikipedia articles, but also to specific section names within those articles...”
Oooh... OK. Silly of me... Until one gets a wider perspective, it is easy to overlook the implications of such apparently minor actions. Sorry! It seems that WP is subject to the tyranny of de facto standardisation, like the apocryphal coincidence between the wheelbase of a Roman chariot and the rails on which spacecraft are wheeled about on. “... best to use the "anchor" template “ OK, more homework... The infrastructure here repeatedly dumbfounds me! “In section names, only the lead word ... “ Right. Someone else showed me that, but I think I may have slipped occasionally. Habit dies hard. As for overlinking, that one is tricky. At one point I made the conscious decision “when in doubt, link.” I certainly have seen a lot of articles where I would strongly recommend more links. I also have seen examples where I just followed examples, eg linking “Latin”, which I now shall no longer do unless there is a special reason. For example, I have on occasion linked a common word just to be able to leave out a passage in my own text, where another the gist is covered elsewhere.
Called away, Sorry. Meanwhile, thanks again JonRichfield (talk) 13:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, Jon. I don't want to interrupt your flow, but I'll just comment briefly on this installment. First, you're very welcome; I'm glad my comments were useful. No worries at all re the section name thing, btw. If you can come up with a better section name, then you should certainly change it, especially if you provide an "anchor" to the old section name. There really are a great many rules here, but it's hard to go wrong if you mean well, which it's abundantly obvious that you do, of course. I do understand your frustration; I also get very frustrated with the place myself, periodically. I especially remember how much I felt that when I was still fairly new here. I certainly wish the rules we have about civility were enforced, for example: They aren't, really, from what I see on a day to day basis. I fully take your point, too, about the environment being inhospitable for experts; perhaps it will make you smile to have a look at WP:RANDY, or here.
- This can be a rewarding place to contribute, but I'm afraid that it does require putting up with a great deal of entirely dispensable nonsense, in order to do so. Many articles are just battlefields, a near-constant tug-of-war between opposing factions, with a great many immature persons flinging insults back and forth. (I do not intend the least personal application to Jamie, btw.) It's very tiresome. I certainly understand that your bump-in-the-road with Jamie was frustrating; most editors here are quite brief in their comments. Anyway, please don't let a distubing experience put you off the place. You obviously have a great deal to contribute, and I sincerely hope you'll continue to do so, as you can find the time. Best regards, – OhioStandard (talk) 07:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi again OS, Well, you have made me feel a lot better, and possibly I can manage to be more resilient and less abrasive in future collisions. The fact is that the objective is too big to sacrifice on altars of pettiness. As for the refs you included, I did manage to smile at them (with some barely audible bruxism!) That Dunning-Kruger thing sounded tantalisingly familiar, and then the Ignobel reference explained it; I had not read the original, but had seen some refs. What was Ig about it, I don't know; long before Wiki both my wife and I had observed such effects in various practical, professional and educational contexts!
Thanks for the nice things you said, however much salt I had to take them with to prevent too badly swollen a head. As a peacemaker and counsellor you are truly formidable!
All the best, JonRichfield (talk) 11:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello, JonRichfield. Welcome and thank you, good luck. Levita.lev (talk) 07:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello, JonRichfield, I have sent you email. Levita.lev (talk) 11:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello Jon, Your contribution should be emphasized. Could you kindly suggest a appropriate form. (Reference?) How this can be materialized? With many thanks and best regards, Levita.lev (talk) 11:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Jon,
Thanks for this well thought out page. ASs it happens though, we have a page on Affinity which covers almost identical ground.
More generally, Wikipedia isn't a pure dictionary so we don';t cover words "purely because they exist" but only when they have an encyclopedic article we could write about them. When we have a word like "affinity" that has a range of encyclopedic meanings, we create what's called a disambiguation page, which lists the meanings and where to find articles on each of them.
From your article it looks like you saw that page and reckoned it needed expansion; in fact we cover each meaning individually, the disambiguation page exists to helps users find the detailed page they are looking for. Etymology can then be found under each meaning, if relevant and if someone's added it there.
I have merged your work into the existing page; hopefully this will help users to understand the topic more.
Thanks!
FT2 (Talk | email) 15:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
- Hi FT2, Thanks for your friendly intimation. Unfortunately it is some time since I wrote about "Affinity", so I can't remember the details. I have an idea that the reason I created the new page was that the disambiguation page included material that was inappropriate to disambiguation, but was none the less encyclopedic. Unfortunately I no longer have my text; would it be possible to retrieve the content of that article for my personal files? Thanks if so. JonRichfield (talk) 15:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Picot de Lapeyrouse
Désolé de ne pas parler anglais. Le naturaliste Toulousain (Philipe Picot de Lapeyrouse) et le navigateur Albigeois ( Jean-François de La Pérouse) n’ont aucuns liens de parenté. Philipe Picot a été Baron de Lapeyrouse, il n’a jamais porté le titre de Comte. Son fils Isodore était également naturaliste. Philipe Picot n’a jamais voyagé. La famille des Lapeirousia lui est bien dédiée, même s’il s’agit de plantes Sud-Africaines. L’article en Français sur lui est assez complet. Il existe un Institut Picot-de-Lapeyrouse, qui a pour but de favoriser les actions de recherche et de communication scientifiques du Muséum de Toulouse. Des travaux sont en cours en Mongolie, Mozambique Afrique du Sud et Gabon… Mais aussi sur Wikimedia… J’ai l’honneur depuis 1992 de présider cet institut et nous avons lancé l’an dernier le Projet Phoebus. Philipe Picot de Lapeyrouse est donc toujours actif…
Sorry for not speaking English. The naturalist Toulousain (Philippe Picot de Lapeyrouse) and the navigator Albigenses(Jean-Francois de La Perouse) are not related. Philipe Pico, was Baron de Lapeyrouse, he never carried the title of Count. His son Isidore was also a naturalist. Philippe Picot has never traveled. The family of Lapeirousia is dedicated to him, even if they are South African plants. The article in French on it is quite comprehensive. There is an Institute Picot de Lapeyrouse, which aims to promote research activitiesand scientific communication at the Museum of Toulouse. Work is underway in Mongolia, Mozambique, South Africa and Gabon ... But also on Wikimedia ... I have the honor since 1992 to chair the Institute and we launched last year, the Phoebus project. Philippe Picot de Lapeyrouse is still active ... --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Archaeodontosaurus, in any and every language, merci beaucoup! Your trouble was much appreciated and the product was very helpful to me at least. If I can similarly be of assistance to you, it would relieve me somewhat of my burden of gratitude.
- All the best, JonRichfield (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Abortion
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Cataphyll
Excellent job on cataphyll. I did some minor touchups; check it out and make sure I got it right? DS (talk) 14:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- I feel much complimented and appreciated; many thanks. No problems with your touch-ups. Go well, Jon. JonRichfield (talk) 18:22, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Disambiguation
I reverted most of your additions to Floor (disambiguation) because they were simply partial title matches and floor wasn't the main thing, see WP:PTM, it should only really list things where 'Floor' or something very similar is used on its own. People for instance are included as they may only be known by the one name. Sea floor spreading however is not referred to as floor for instance, even the sea floor is not referred to as the floor. The floor of a stock exchange is however referred to as the floor. Dmcq (talk) 14:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Faceted classification
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Please comment on Talk:Astrology
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