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Hello. You have been warned already about the Discretionary Sanctions at the page [[Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]]. But you keep re-adding content that other people have removed. That's a no-no. You have done it three times now; you could be blocked for that since the article is under a [[WP:1RR|one-revert restriction]] as well as a requirement not to restore content that someone has objected to by reverting. If you think the material should be in the article, don't make your arguments in the edit summary; make them on the talk page. -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 02:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC) |
Hello. You have been warned already about the Discretionary Sanctions at the page [[Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]]. But you keep re-adding content that other people have removed. That's a no-no. You have done it three times now; you could be blocked for that since the article is under a [[WP:1RR|one-revert restriction]] as well as a requirement not to restore content that someone has objected to by reverting. If you think the material should be in the article, don't make your arguments in the edit summary; make them on the talk page. -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 02:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC) |
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[[Patrick Moore (consultant)|Patrick Moore]] '''''is not''''' a Greenpeace co-founder. He lied. He's a nuclear/logging industry lobbyist and only worked for Greenpeace's Canada branch for some time, which he used as a credential to back his lobbying for polluting industries. Greenpeace disowned him multiple times. His criticism of AOC therefore has serious conflict of interest issues and including that in the AOC page would be POV and a serious violation of [[WP:BLP|BLP]] guidelines. The other editor were correct. Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic. This is a place for you to complain about leftists either. Please stop. [[User:Tsumikiria|<span style="font-family:'Lato',sans-serif;color:#DC143C">Tsumikiria''⧸''<small> </small></span>]][[User talk:Tsumikiria|🌹]][[Special:Contributions/Tsumikiria|🌉]] 20:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC) |
[[Patrick Moore (consultant)|Patrick Moore]] '''''is not''''' a Greenpeace co-founder. He lied. He's a nuclear/logging industry lobbyist and only worked for Greenpeace's Canada branch for some time, which he used as a credential to back his lobbying for polluting industries. Greenpeace disowned him multiple times. His criticism of AOC therefore has serious conflict of interest issues and including that in the AOC page would be POV and a serious violation of [[WP:BLP|BLP]] guidelines. The other editor were correct. Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic. This is a place for you to complain about leftists either. Please stop. [[User:Tsumikiria|<span style="font-family:'Lato',sans-serif;color:#DC143C">Tsumikiria''⧸''<small> </small></span>]][[User talk:Tsumikiria|🌹]][[Special:Contributions/Tsumikiria|🌉]] 20:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC) |
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I've reverted you there as your edit was against our guideline at WP:ERA. I see a lot of warnings above, and no responses, which is unfortunate. However, your edit at Cassowary looks constructive, which is great. Dougweller (talk) 13:18, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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References
- ^ Tyler Ford (August 7, 2015). "My life without gender: 'Strangers are desperate to know what genitalia I have'". The Guardian.
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Obama edits
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February 2019
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 21:22, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Leviv ich 21:09, 21 February 2019 (UTC) Please stop trying to change it to "socialist" (diff, diff). You can start a discussion and try to seek consensus on the talk page. Leviv ich 21:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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SERIOUS WARNING: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Hi John! I need like a half hour to write out a response to your questions on my talk page about why I reverted you and "what the problem is" with your edits. However, in the meantime, you should stop edit warring on that page immediately. It's under discretionary sanctions, and furthermore, it's a WP:1RR page, which means you can't keep putting back language after you've been reverted–you only get one revert per 24 hours, and every time you put "socialist" back in, that counts as a revert. Please self-revert these edits that you just made: diff, diff, diff. An admin has placed a DS notice (just above this thread), and while I'm not an admin and I'm just going to write an answer to your questions and I myself can't take any kind of action, some other admin might come along and block you for violating the 1RR rule. I strongly urge you to self-revert those edits and don't put them back, at least until I've had a chance to write a longer explanation about this issue, which I will do shortly. Thanks. Leviv ich 17:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi again. Your posts on my talk page boil down to two questions:
How could I possible violate any policy by stating that Ocasio Cortes is a socialist? ... There was no reason to revert my edit.
andWhat on earth is wrong with calling her a socialist?
. The former is about conduct and the latter is about content, so here are my answers. Leviv ich 18:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Conduct
How could I possible violate any policy by stating that Ocasio Cortes is a socialist?
Totally irrespective of any particular content issue (e.g., whether or not AOC is a "socialist"), there is the issue of a conduct policy violation. The policy is WP:1RR, which is a stricter version of WP:3RR, part of our edit warring policy. Because Wikipedia is "an encyclopedia that anyone can edit", the only way that can work without becoming chaos is if we all agree not to repeatedly put in the same content over and over again (not to "edit war"). You've been doing this at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: You added "socialist" and "radical group" on Feb 19, it was reverted by an editor other than me; you changed "progressive" to "socialist" on Feb 21, it was reverted by me; you again changed "progressive" to "socialist" on Feb 22, it was reverted by a third editor; you again changed "progressive" to "socialist" less than an hour later, part of the three recent edits that I urged you to self-revert above (and still urge you to self-revert, for the reasons I explain here).
The last two of those four edits were all 1RR violations. You can be blocked from editing for this. Repeated violations can lead to additional sanctions like topic bans and longer blocks. It's a very bright-line rule: you can only make one revert at that article per 24 hours. The third and fourth of those four edits were both reverts in under 24 hours. You'll note, for example, that I am not reverting your fourth edit, because my last revert was less than 24 hours ago, and that would be a 1RR violation for me. This is taken really seriously, and I think the only reason you haven't been sanctioned yet is because you only have a couple hundred edits and have only recently had a DS notice placed. If you self revert, I think an admin would look favorably on that. If you don't self-revert, or worse, if someone reverts you and you put it back a fifth time, I think the chances are very high that an admin will block you.
People take 1RR seriously even if they agree with your edit. For example, when I recently crossed the 1RR line, an editor notified me on my talk page within minutes pointing it out and asking me to self-revert. I did self-revert. The same editor then used up their 1RR to revert the same edit I reverted. My point is that this 1RR conduct policy is taken very seriously and people even put aside their feelings about content to make sure this rule is enforced.
To put it bluntly, if you mess around with 1RR, it's only a matter of time until an admin sees it and blocks you, and as of right now, you may be "vulnerable" to being blocked because you have an un-reverted 1RR violation sitting there.
I noticed that while I was typing this, you edited the article to add "progressive" back in. I appreciate the effort at compromise, but I'm not sure that will be seen as a self-revert by an admin, and also the article now says "progressive socialist", which doesn't make a lot of sense (and isn't a term I think used by any reliable sources). Leviv ich 18:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Content
What on earth is wrong with calling her a socialist?
Two things:
- You don't have consensus to call her a "socialist." As a basic matter, you'd have to discuss this on the article talk page and gain consensus for making the edit. That's how the bold, revert, discuss method works. You made a bold edit; it was reverted; rather than putting it back (a 1RR violation), the next step is to discuss on the talk page.
- The reliable sources may not support "socialist". This has been discussed on the article talk page here, here, here, and here, and probably other places that I'm missing. If you raise a discussion on the article talk page, it won't go anywhere unless you bring new sources that haven't been discussed before that call her a "socialist".
It doesn't matter if you or I or any of us think she is or isn't a "socialist". Basing the content on what we think would be original research. What matters is what the reliable sources say. I think the only way you'll get consensus for describing her as "socialist" in the article is if you can show reliable sources using that label. (Note that "democratic socialist" is not the same thing as "socialist", nor is "social democrat".) To make sure a source is reliable, check the WP:RSP list of perennial sources, and also search the archives at the WP:RSN reliable sources noticeboard.
I hope this helps. Leviv ich 18:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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March 2019
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Do not reinsert material which has been removed unless there is clear consensus on the talk page that it should be included in the article. You need to engage in the consensus-building discussion process and not attempt to force through your proposed changes. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 13:25, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hello. You have been warned already about the Discretionary Sanctions at the page Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. But you keep re-adding content that other people have removed. That's a no-no. You have done it three times now; you could be blocked for that since the article is under a one-revert restriction as well as a requirement not to restore content that someone has objected to by reverting. If you think the material should be in the article, don't make your arguments in the edit summary; make them on the talk page. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Patrick Moore is a Greenpeace co-founder
According to Tsumikiria:
Patrick Moore is not a Greenpeace co-founder. He lied. He's a nuclear/logging industry lobbyist and only worked for Greenpeace's Canada branch for some time, which he used as a credential to back his lobbying for polluting industries. Greenpeace disowned him multiple times. His criticism of AOC therefore has serious conflict of interest issues and including that in the AOC page would be POV and a serious violation of BLP guidelines. The other editor were correct. Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic. This is a place for you to complain about leftists either. Please stop. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 20:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article on Dr. Patrick Moore, he is a co-founder of Greenpeace:
According to Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World by Rex Wyler, the Don't Make a Wave Committee (DMWC) was formed in January 1970 by Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Ben Metcalfe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Bob Hunter and incorporated in October 1970. The Committee had formed to plan opposition to the testing of a one megaton hydrogen bomb in 1969 by the United States Atomic Energy Commission on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. In 1971, Moore joined the committee as a member of the crew of the Greenpeace, a chartered fishing boat originally named the Phyllis Cormack which the Committee sent across the North Pacific in order to draw attention to the US testing of a 5 megaton bomb planned for September of that year. As Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, "Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation [as an environmental activist], and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions." In May 1971, Moore traveled to Alaska with Jim Bohlen, representing the DMWC in US Atomic Energy Commission hearings. Moore attended DMWC meetings, and was part of the committee when its name was changed to the Greenpeace Foundation. Other committee members included committee founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe Moore was described by New Scientist in a 1999 interview as a 'founding member' of Greenpeace.[
Dr. Moore was director of Greenpeace Canada from 1977 until he left the organization in 1985.
To characterize Dr. Moore as a "deranged lunatic", rather than the respected scientist and environmentalist he is, in an attempt to discredit his comments, is unwarranted. Further, making inaccurate, inflammatory comments without doing even a modicum of basic research certainly reduces Tsumikiria's credibility on this subject.JohnTopShelf (talk) 13:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Re: Bubble tea
I am also not a fan of tapioca, that being said, your edit needs consensus from the talk page since American politics has discretionary sanctions. Have fun! PunxtawneyPickle (talk) 02:39, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
- That's just how it works around here. Sorry pal. PunxtawneyPickle (talk) 02:47, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
In the interest of educating you I'm sending you to a friendly bunch of fellas at the notice board.
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March 2019
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Points to note:
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- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
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There is no edit war. I made an edit to the article on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Then I noticed that part of the edit (on the Modern Monetary Theory) was in the wrong section, and I moved it into where it belongs. I thought that an editor, Bradyv, had only reverted the part of my edit with statements from Dr. Moore regarding the Green New Deal; I did not see that he had also reverted the part of my edit regarding MMT. That was my mistake, and accordingly I apologize for moving the MMT edit after the reversion. Once I realized that my entire edit was reverted, I did not try to put any part of the edit back into the article. I did not intend to be part of an edit war.
I have also been accused of incivility. I have not been less than civil to any editor, and I take issue with accusation. It seems that the accuser either 1) thinks that the content of my suggested edits, which include statements critical of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, are examples of incivility by me because this person does not agree with the statements or 2) believes that I am somehow not being civil by what I have written on the article or the person's talk page. If this person, or indeed any person here, believes I am being less than civil, please post the statement of mine you have issue with (accurately and completely, please) for all to see and let them be the judge. It is also worth noting that the person who has accused me of incivility, Tsumikiria, wrote this to me regarding my edits to insert statements by Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore: "Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic." I am not sure what the person's definition of incivility is, but stating that I am not a sensible person is more rude and uncivil than anything I have written.
Tsumikiria's edit to my talk page, regarding Dr. Moore: Patrick Moore is not a Greenpeace co-founder. He lied. He's a nuclear/logging industry lobbyist and only worked for Greenpeace's Canada branch for some time, which he used as a credential to back his lobbying for polluting industries. Greenpeace disowned him multiple times. His criticism of AOC therefore has serious conflict of interest issues and including that in the AOC page would be POV and a serious violation of BLP guidelines. The other editor were correct. Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic. This is a place for you to complain about leftists either. Please stop. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 20:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article on Dr. Patrick Moore, he is a co-founder of Greenpeace: According to Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World by Rex Wyler, the Don't Make a Wave Committee (DMWC) was formed in January 1970 by Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Ben Metcalfe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Bob Hunter and incorporated in October 1970. The Committee had formed to plan opposition to the testing of a one megaton hydrogen bomb in 1969 by the United States Atomic Energy Commission on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. In 1971, Moore joined the committee as a member of the crew of the Greenpeace, a chartered fishing boat originally named the Phyllis Cormack which the Committee sent across the North Pacific in order to draw attention to the US testing of a 5 megaton bomb planned for September of that year. As Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, "Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation [as an environmental activist], and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions." In May 1971, Moore traveled to Alaska with Jim Bohlen, representing the DMWC in US Atomic Energy Commission hearings. Moore attended DMWC meetings, and was part of the committee when its name was changed to the Greenpeace Foundation. Other committee members included committee founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe Moore was described by New Scientist in a 1999 interview as a 'founding member' of Greenpeace.
The article also indicates that Dr. Moore was director of Greenpeace Canada from 1977 until he left the organization in 1985.
To characterize Dr. Moore as a "deranged lunatic" and a liar, rather than the respected scientist and environmentalist he is, in an attempt to discredit his comments, is unwarranted. Further, making inaccurate, inflammatory comments without doing even a modicum of basic research certainly reduces this person's credibility on this subject.
My real issue is with the reason for the reversions, which has not been addressed by any reverter in any detail other than referring to 1RR (which I honestly did not think I violated this time, but apparently I inadvertently did) or a statement about requiring consensus. Note: The one notable exception to this has been Levivich, whose explanations were very helpful and appreciated. I placed my proposed edits on the article's Talk page, and waited a while, with very little discussion. Knowing that other editors watch the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article like hawks, and make reversions within seconds, I naturally assumed if they had real issues with the content of the edits they would discuss them thoroughly and civilly on the Talk page. When that didn't happen, I thought I would see if there would be an issue with the edits being inserted. Of course, there was - the edits were instantly reverted. But let's focus on the content of the edits. There is obviously a lot of criticism (including outright rejection), from various people whose statements have been reported on a wide variety of sources, of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions - in particular her Democratic Socialist belief in the Modern Monetary Theory. Surely some mention that MMT is widely criticized should be allowed in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. But Wikipedia editors have been steadfast in their refusal to allow any criticism of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions into the article, which weakens the article and violates the "neutral point of view" - a foundation of Wikipedia. It is worth noting that Wikipedia editors obviously have no issue with criticism in other articles about living politicians - the articles on President Trump, Mike Pence, Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell and others all include criticism. Is there a reason that criticism is allowed in some articles about living persons, but not in others? If the President can be criticized within Wikipedia, surely a Congresswoman like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez can be. I am glad there is criticism in the articles I mentioned, and believe there is a place for well-cited criticism in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. As for consensus - I doubt that could ever happen. Consensus would require that everyone have the same or similar point of view. Given the point of view by the overwhelming majority of editors who focus on the Ocasio-Cortez article, who steadfastly refuse to allow any criticism or her in the article, I can't imagine anyone coming to a consensus even on the insertion of criticism of her adherence to the widely rejected MMT. But consensus should not be the goal, and indeed flies in the face of a "neutral point of view", which requires presenting various sides of a topic - not just the side of an issue that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters here at Wikipedia take.
As for the threat to ban me permanently - I have a life outside of Wikipedia, and not being able to edit here, while unfortunate and unwarranted, would not be the end of the world for me.
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{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. I was blocked on March 25 for one week for edit warring. Reason for the appeal There is no edit war. I made an edit to the article on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Then I noticed that part of the edit (on the Modern Monetary Theory) was in the wrong section, and I moved it into where it belongs. I thought that an editor, Bradyv, had only reverted the part of my edit with statements from Dr. Moore regarding the Green New Deal; I did not see that he had also reverted the part of my edit regarding MMT. That was my mistake, and accordingly I apologize for moving the MMT edit after the reversion. Once I realized that my entire edit was reverted, I did not try to put any part of the edit back into the article. I did not intend to be part of an edit war. I have also been accused of incivility. I have not been less than civil to any editor, and I take issue with accusation. It seems that the accuser either 1) thinks that the content of my suggested edits, which include statements critical of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, are examples of incivility by me because this person does not agree with the statements or 2) believes that I am somehow not being civil by what I have written on the article or the person's talk page. If this person, or indeed any person here, believes I am being less than civil, please post the statement of mine you have issue with (accurately and completely, please) for all to see and let them be the judge. It is also worth noting that the person who has accused me of incivility, Tsumikiria, wrote this to me regarding my edits to insert statements by Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore: "Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic." I am not sure what the person's definition of incivility is, but stating that I am not a sensible person is more rude and uncivil than anything I have written. Tsumikiria's edit to my talk page, regarding Dr. Moore: Patrick Moore is not a Greenpeace co-founder. He lied. He's a nuclear/logging industry lobbyist and only worked for Greenpeace's Canada branch for some time, which he used as a credential to back his lobbying for polluting industries. Greenpeace disowned him multiple times. His criticism of AOC therefore has serious conflict of interest issues and including that in the AOC page would be POV and a serious violation of BLP guidelines. The other editor were correct. Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic. This is a place for you to complain about leftists either. Please stop. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 20:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC) According to the Wikipedia article on Dr. Patrick Moore, he is a co-founder of Greenpeace: According to Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World by Rex Wyler, the Don't Make a Wave Committee (DMWC) was formed in January 1970 by Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Ben Metcalfe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Bob Hunter and incorporated in October 1970. The Committee had formed to plan opposition to the testing of a one megaton hydrogen bomb in 1969 by the United States Atomic Energy Commission on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. In 1971, Moore joined the committee as a member of the crew of the Greenpeace, a chartered fishing boat originally named the Phyllis Cormack which the Committee sent across the North Pacific in order to draw attention to the US testing of a 5 megaton bomb planned for September of that year. As Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, "Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation [as an environmental activist], and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions." In May 1971, Moore traveled to Alaska with Jim Bohlen, representing the DMWC in US Atomic Energy Commission hearings. Moore attended DMWC meetings, and was part of the committee when its name was changed to the Greenpeace Foundation. Other committee members included committee founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe Moore was described by New Scientist in a 1999 interview as a 'founding member' of Greenpeace. The article also indicates that Dr. Moore was director of Greenpeace Canada from 1977 until he left the organization in 1985. To characterize Dr. Moore as a "deranged lunatic" and a liar, rather than the respected scientist and environmentalist he is, in an attempt to discredit his comments, is unwarranted. Further, making inaccurate, inflammatory comments without doing even a modicum of basic research certainly reduces this person's credibility on this subject. My real issue is with the reason for the reversions, which has not been addressed by any reverter in any detail other than referring to 1RR (which I honestly did not think I violated this time, but apparently I inadvertently did) or a statement about requiring consensus. Note: The one notable exception to this has been [[User:Levivich|Leviv]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]], whose explanations were very helpful and appreciated. I placed my proposed edits on the article's Talk page, and waited a while, with very little discussion. Knowing that other editors watch the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article like hawks, and make reversions within seconds, I naturally assumed if they had real issues with the content of the edits they would discuss them thoroughly and civilly on the Talk page. When that didn't happen, I thought I would see if there would be an issue with the edits being inserted. Of course, there was - the edits were instantly reverted. But let's focus on the content of the edits. There is obviously a lot of criticism (including outright rejection), from various people whose statements have been reported on a wide variety of sources, of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions - in particular her Democratic Socialist belief in the Modern Monetary Theory. Surely some mention that MMT is widely criticized should be allowed in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. But Wikipedia editors have been steadfast in their refusal to allow any criticism of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions into the article, which weakens the article and violates the "neutral point of view" - a foundation of Wikipedia. It is worth noting that Wikipedia editors obviously have no issue with criticism in other articles about living politicians - the articles on President Trump, Mike Pence, Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell and others all include criticism. Is there a reason that criticism is allowed in some articles about living persons, but not in others? If the President can be criticized within Wikipedia, surely a Congresswoman like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez can be. I am glad there is criticism in the articles I mentioned, and believe there is a place for well-cited criticism in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. As for consensus - I doubt that could ever happen. Consensus would require that everyone have the same or similar point of view. Given the point of view by the overwhelming majority of editors who focus on the Ocasio-Cortez article, who steadfastly refuse to allow any criticism or her in the article, I can't imagine anyone coming to a consensus even on the insertion of criticism of her adherence to the widely rejected MMT. But consensus should not be the goal, and indeed flies in the face of a "neutral point of view", which requires presenting various sides of a topic - not just the side of an issue that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters here at Wikipedia take. As for the threat to ban me permanently - I have a life outside of Wikipedia, and not being able to edit here, while unfortunate and unwarranted, would not be the end of the world for me. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JohnTopShelf|JohnTopShelf]] ([[User talk:JohnTopShelf#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JohnTopShelf|contribs]]) </small> |3 = ~~~~}}
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. I was blocked on March 25 for one week for edit warring. Reason for the appeal There is no edit war. I made an edit to the article on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Then I noticed that part of the edit (on the Modern Monetary Theory) was in the wrong section, and I moved it into where it belongs. I thought that an editor, Bradyv, had only reverted the part of my edit with statements from Dr. Moore regarding the Green New Deal; I did not see that he had also reverted the part of my edit regarding MMT. That was my mistake, and accordingly I apologize for moving the MMT edit after the reversion. Once I realized that my entire edit was reverted, I did not try to put any part of the edit back into the article. I did not intend to be part of an edit war. I have also been accused of incivility. I have not been less than civil to any editor, and I take issue with accusation. It seems that the accuser either 1) thinks that the content of my suggested edits, which include statements critical of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, are examples of incivility by me because this person does not agree with the statements or 2) believes that I am somehow not being civil by what I have written on the article or the person's talk page. If this person, or indeed any person here, believes I am being less than civil, please post the statement of mine you have issue with (accurately and completely, please) for all to see and let them be the judge. It is also worth noting that the person who has accused me of incivility, Tsumikiria, wrote this to me regarding my edits to insert statements by Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore: "Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic." I am not sure what the person's definition of incivility is, but stating that I am not a sensible person is more rude and uncivil than anything I have written. Tsumikiria's edit to my talk page, regarding Dr. Moore: Patrick Moore is not a Greenpeace co-founder. He lied. He's a nuclear/logging industry lobbyist and only worked for Greenpeace's Canada branch for some time, which he used as a credential to back his lobbying for polluting industries. Greenpeace disowned him multiple times. His criticism of AOC therefore has serious conflict of interest issues and including that in the AOC page would be POV and a serious violation of BLP guidelines. The other editor were correct. Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic. This is a place for you to complain about leftists either. Please stop. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 20:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC) According to the Wikipedia article on Dr. Patrick Moore, he is a co-founder of Greenpeace: According to Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World by Rex Wyler, the Don't Make a Wave Committee (DMWC) was formed in January 1970 by Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Ben Metcalfe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Bob Hunter and incorporated in October 1970. The Committee had formed to plan opposition to the testing of a one megaton hydrogen bomb in 1969 by the United States Atomic Energy Commission on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. In 1971, Moore joined the committee as a member of the crew of the Greenpeace, a chartered fishing boat originally named the Phyllis Cormack which the Committee sent across the North Pacific in order to draw attention to the US testing of a 5 megaton bomb planned for September of that year. As Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, "Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation [as an environmental activist], and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions." In May 1971, Moore traveled to Alaska with Jim Bohlen, representing the DMWC in US Atomic Energy Commission hearings. Moore attended DMWC meetings, and was part of the committee when its name was changed to the Greenpeace Foundation. Other committee members included committee founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe Moore was described by New Scientist in a 1999 interview as a 'founding member' of Greenpeace. The article also indicates that Dr. Moore was director of Greenpeace Canada from 1977 until he left the organization in 1985. To characterize Dr. Moore as a "deranged lunatic" and a liar, rather than the respected scientist and environmentalist he is, in an attempt to discredit his comments, is unwarranted. Further, making inaccurate, inflammatory comments without doing even a modicum of basic research certainly reduces this person's credibility on this subject. My real issue is with the reason for the reversions, which has not been addressed by any reverter in any detail other than referring to 1RR (which I honestly did not think I violated this time, but apparently I inadvertently did) or a statement about requiring consensus. Note: The one notable exception to this has been [[User:Levivich|Leviv]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]], whose explanations were very helpful and appreciated. I placed my proposed edits on the article's Talk page, and waited a while, with very little discussion. Knowing that other editors watch the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article like hawks, and make reversions within seconds, I naturally assumed if they had real issues with the content of the edits they would discuss them thoroughly and civilly on the Talk page. When that didn't happen, I thought I would see if there would be an issue with the edits being inserted. Of course, there was - the edits were instantly reverted. But let's focus on the content of the edits. There is obviously a lot of criticism (including outright rejection), from various people whose statements have been reported on a wide variety of sources, of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions - in particular her Democratic Socialist belief in the Modern Monetary Theory. Surely some mention that MMT is widely criticized should be allowed in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. But Wikipedia editors have been steadfast in their refusal to allow any criticism of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions into the article, which weakens the article and violates the "neutral point of view" - a foundation of Wikipedia. It is worth noting that Wikipedia editors obviously have no issue with criticism in other articles about living politicians - the articles on President Trump, Mike Pence, Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell and others all include criticism. Is there a reason that criticism is allowed in some articles about living persons, but not in others? If the President can be criticized within Wikipedia, surely a Congresswoman like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez can be. I am glad there is criticism in the articles I mentioned, and believe there is a place for well-cited criticism in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. As for consensus - I doubt that could ever happen. Consensus would require that everyone have the same or similar point of view. Given the point of view by the overwhelming majority of editors who focus on the Ocasio-Cortez article, who steadfastly refuse to allow any criticism or her in the article, I can't imagine anyone coming to a consensus even on the insertion of criticism of her adherence to the widely rejected MMT. But consensus should not be the goal, and indeed flies in the face of a "neutral point of view", which requires presenting various sides of a topic - not just the side of an issue that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters here at Wikipedia take. As for the threat to ban me permanently - I have a life outside of Wikipedia, and not being able to edit here, while unfortunate and unwarranted, would not be the end of the world for me. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JohnTopShelf|JohnTopShelf]] ([[User talk:JohnTopShelf#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JohnTopShelf|contribs]]) </small> |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}
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{{unblock reviewed |1=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. I was blocked on March 25 for one week for edit warring. Reason for the appeal There is no edit war. I made an edit to the article on Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Then I noticed that part of the edit (on the Modern Monetary Theory) was in the wrong section, and I moved it into where it belongs. I thought that an editor, Bradyv, had only reverted the part of my edit with statements from Dr. Moore regarding the Green New Deal; I did not see that he had also reverted the part of my edit regarding MMT. That was my mistake, and accordingly I apologize for moving the MMT edit after the reversion. Once I realized that my entire edit was reverted, I did not try to put any part of the edit back into the article. I did not intend to be part of an edit war. I have also been accused of incivility. I have not been less than civil to any editor, and I take issue with accusation. It seems that the accuser either 1) thinks that the content of my suggested edits, which include statements critical of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, are examples of incivility by me because this person does not agree with the statements or 2) believes that I am somehow not being civil by what I have written on the article or the person's talk page. If this person, or indeed any person here, believes I am being less than civil, please post the statement of mine you have issue with (accurately and completely, please) for all to see and let them be the judge. It is also worth noting that the person who has accused me of incivility, Tsumikiria, wrote this to me regarding my edits to insert statements by Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore: "Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic." I am not sure what the person's definition of incivility is, but stating that I am not a sensible person is more rude and uncivil than anything I have written. Tsumikiria's edit to my talk page, regarding Dr. Moore: Patrick Moore is not a Greenpeace co-founder. He lied. He's a nuclear/logging industry lobbyist and only worked for Greenpeace's Canada branch for some time, which he used as a credential to back his lobbying for polluting industries. Greenpeace disowned him multiple times. His criticism of AOC therefore has serious conflict of interest issues and including that in the AOC page would be POV and a serious violation of BLP guidelines. The other editor were correct. Any sensible person would recognize that as a something from a deranged lunatic. This is a place for you to complain about leftists either. Please stop. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 20:20, 13 March 2019 (UTC) According to the Wikipedia article on Dr. Patrick Moore, he is a co-founder of Greenpeace: According to Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World by Rex Wyler, the Don't Make a Wave Committee (DMWC) was formed in January 1970 by Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Ben Metcalfe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Bob Hunter and incorporated in October 1970. The Committee had formed to plan opposition to the testing of a one megaton hydrogen bomb in 1969 by the United States Atomic Energy Commission on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. In 1971, Moore joined the committee as a member of the crew of the Greenpeace, a chartered fishing boat originally named the Phyllis Cormack which the Committee sent across the North Pacific in order to draw attention to the US testing of a 5 megaton bomb planned for September of that year. As Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, "Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation [as an environmental activist], and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions." In May 1971, Moore traveled to Alaska with Jim Bohlen, representing the DMWC in US Atomic Energy Commission hearings. Moore attended DMWC meetings, and was part of the committee when its name was changed to the Greenpeace Foundation. Other committee members included committee founders Bob Hunter, Rod Marining and Ben Metcalfe Moore was described by New Scientist in a 1999 interview as a 'founding member' of Greenpeace. The article also indicates that Dr. Moore was director of Greenpeace Canada from 1977 until he left the organization in 1985. To characterize Dr. Moore as a "deranged lunatic" and a liar, rather than the respected scientist and environmentalist he is, in an attempt to discredit his comments, is unwarranted. Further, making inaccurate, inflammatory comments without doing even a modicum of basic research certainly reduces this person's credibility on this subject. My real issue is with the reason for the reversions, which has not been addressed by any reverter in any detail other than referring to 1RR (which I honestly did not think I violated this time, but apparently I inadvertently did) or a statement about requiring consensus. Note: The one notable exception to this has been [[User:Levivich|Leviv]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]], whose explanations were very helpful and appreciated. I placed my proposed edits on the article's Talk page, and waited a while, with very little discussion. Knowing that other editors watch the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article like hawks, and make reversions within seconds, I naturally assumed if they had real issues with the content of the edits they would discuss them thoroughly and civilly on the Talk page. When that didn't happen, I thought I would see if there would be an issue with the edits being inserted. Of course, there was - the edits were instantly reverted. But let's focus on the content of the edits. There is obviously a lot of criticism (including outright rejection), from various people whose statements have been reported on a wide variety of sources, of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions - in particular her Democratic Socialist belief in the Modern Monetary Theory. Surely some mention that MMT is widely criticized should be allowed in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. But Wikipedia editors have been steadfast in their refusal to allow any criticism of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's positions into the article, which weakens the article and violates the "neutral point of view" - a foundation of Wikipedia. It is worth noting that Wikipedia editors obviously have no issue with criticism in other articles about living politicians - the articles on President Trump, Mike Pence, Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell and others all include criticism. Is there a reason that criticism is allowed in some articles about living persons, but not in others? If the President can be criticized within Wikipedia, surely a Congresswoman like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez can be. I am glad there is criticism in the articles I mentioned, and believe there is a place for well-cited criticism in the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez article. As for consensus - I doubt that could ever happen. Consensus would require that everyone have the same or similar point of view. Given the point of view by the overwhelming majority of editors who focus on the Ocasio-Cortez article, who steadfastly refuse to allow any criticism or her in the article, I can't imagine anyone coming to a consensus even on the insertion of criticism of her adherence to the widely rejected MMT. But consensus should not be the goal, and indeed flies in the face of a "neutral point of view", which requires presenting various sides of a topic - not just the side of an issue that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez and her supporters here at Wikipedia take. As for the threat to ban me permanently - I have a life outside of Wikipedia, and not being able to edit here, while unfortunate and unwarranted, would not be the end of the world for me. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JohnTopShelf|JohnTopShelf]] ([[User talk:JohnTopShelf#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JohnTopShelf|contribs]]) </small> |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}
- Here, I fixed your unblock request for you so administrators will notice it. As for your your proposed content, discussions are being held at Talk:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Please copy your comment there and join the discussion after your block has expired. Criticism of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez can absolutely be included, but per our policy, Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Balance,
Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone. Do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints; the views of small minorities should not be included at all
. Also, you're under the common misconception that consensus is when all people involved have the same point of view. It is not. Also, please do paraphrase and do not directly copy-paste material from sources, as such copyright violations will get us sued. Again, please join the discussion. I will not comment further here. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 19:03, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
To User:Tsumikiria: Thank you for fixing the unblock request for me. I really appreciate it. More importantly, I definitely appreciate the feedback regarding potential copyright violations, and how to best present my suggested edits. (I hope you see this on my Talk page - I can't edit yours, obviously)
Edit warring
Serious advise: you've been give a tiny bit of rope here, but you're going to get reverted and probably indefinitely blocked if you simply return to edit warring over the exact same stuff again. If you've got any interest in making productive contributions to Wikipedia, you need to stop and take your discussion to the talk page of AOC and keep it there until there is consensus for your edits. If consensus never materializes,then you'll have to be willing to live with not getting your way on this issue, just like every other Wikipedia editor has to from time to time. Nblund talk 18:39, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- Nblund, one week proved to be much too lenient. John, if you are blocked for bad behavior and then IMMEDIATELY resume said behavior after the block is released, that's automatic grounds for a new block, which I just delivered for you. Even so, one month seems too lenient to me. The next step if you do this again will be either an indefinite block or discussing whether we should ban you from the topic of post 1932 American politics entirely. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
April 2019
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. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)My last edit
Congratulations are in order for Nblundtalk. Nblund managed to read my last edit of the Ocasio-Cortez article and check all the cites before deciding to revert the edit - all in a matter of about 15 seconds. This has to be some kind of record -this kind of speed puts Usain Bolt to shame. I do not mean to insinuate that this editor simply blindly, automatically reverted the edit upon seeing that it was from me.
In my edit, I cited to Wikipedia-approved cites, and did not directly quote but rather paraphrased.
Also - if you are going to revert edits, please have the courtesy to mention the specific content-based reason for the reversion, without resorting to "lack of consensus" or "disruptive editing". I honestly appreciate constructive feedback, like I have received from Levevich and Tsumikiria. JohnTopShelf (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
As for the one-month block by Muboshgu (talk] - please explain how I am being disruptive. My edit followed the rules, my edits were fact-based, I cited Wikipedia-approved sources, and I did not violate 1-RR after it was reverted without any explanation.JohnTopShelf (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- JohnTopShelf, you have repeatedly tried to insert this information into the article, despite knowing full well that the other editors disagree with you. This has been explained many times. Bradv🍁 19:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- It is sad to see that you read but ignored my above advises that you should have engage in discussions already, after seeing numerous people object. This is why administrators are convinced that you'll simply continue this unacceptable editorial behavior that got you sanctioned in the first place, and now you're living up with the consequence. And yes, we apply the same level of scrutiny to any other prominent Republican politicians. Writing a resignation letter here while blaming other editors neither helpful or encouraging. Tsumikiria⧸ 🌹🌉 19:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Tsumikiria. I have made my last edit to the article anyway. Take care. JohnTopShelf (talk) 19:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)