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You asked me a question at the Medicine PD talk page ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FMedicine%2FProposed_decision&type=revision&diff=960496875&oldid=960496316]), and it closed before I could answer, so I'll answer here. I was concerned that you had missed something, and apparently you had. Some editors pointed out after the workshop had closed that the evidence you cited was not actually diffs or in-context quotes, but were words and phrases that were picked out of discussions by using software designed to tag words with negative connotations. As such, some of the comments might, perhaps, have been appropriate in context, rather than negative comments directed at other editors. (Had I known that before the workshop phase had closed, I would have removed my reference to that evidence from my own workshop proposals, but I only realized it after.) So I was concerned that you might have been unaware of something that you would have wanted to be aware of, and maybe should have been aware. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC) |
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Marion Stirling Pugh
No reason to replace my article. That negates the work I put into the article. Just merge your information with mine, as mine was posted first. Postcard Cathy (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Postcard Cathy. Perhaps you missed the message I just posted on your talk page? I am sorry that our edits collided. It seems we were coincidentally creating the same article at the same time and I did not see your version until I hit "save". When I looked at the edit conflict, all the information in your version was also in mine, so I thought it simpler to go with that. If I missed something please let me know and I'm happy to merge it in. Thanks. – Joe (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Postcard Cathy: I've doubled-checked and, as far I can see, the only detail that was lost is that Pugh studied under Truman Michelson. I've re-added that now. There were also discrepancies in Pugh's date of birth and Stirling's year of death, but I've checked the sources and I think May 12 and 1975 are correct. Please let me know if there's anything else you would like me to merge. – Joe (talk) 14:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Postcard Cathy, what is the purpose of this? Can you please work with me to improve the article, rather than reverting to a version that contains substantially less content? – Joe (talk) 14:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- From a talk page watcher on @Postcard Cathy:'s page: No, Joe, it's bad manners to completely overwrite someone else's page rather than just add your new material bit by bit. If planning to put a lot of effort into an article it's useful, I find, to create a one-sentence sourced stub with an {{under construction}} banner first to stake a claim and avoid this sort of spat. Then I create incoming redirects - sometimes finding that there's actually an existing article at a variation of the name - and make interlanguage linkage if there's an equivalent on another wiki. Then go back and expand the article. Saves the disappointment of finding that someone else has started the article while you're developing yours in sandbox or offline.
- Neither of you seems to have noticed that Middletown, New York is a disambiguaion page (there's a brilliant gadget in "preferences / gadgets / appearance" which colours dab pages orange to remind you to disambiguate the link).
- If she was 89 when died in April 2001 then the May birth date is the more plausible. PamD 15:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input PamD. To clarify, I started writing the article before Postcard Cathy saved her version (live, not in a sandbox or offline, it just usually takes me a couple of hours to write the first edit). I had no way of knowing that Postcard Cathy was also working on one until I had finished a first draft and got the edit conflict. At that point I checked the existing version for anything I was missing and, not finding anything, decided it would make more sense to save my version as-is and make adjustments afterwards. I then immediately posted on her talk page to apologise for the conflict. It would not have been possible to add my material "bit by bit" and, even if it were, I do not see how the outcome would be meaningfully different.
- I will consider your advice in future but generally that's not been my process—I like to write fairly complete articles in one go—and in 15 years and ~150 article creations this is the first time I've encountered such a conflict. Archaeological biographies are not usually a busy topic area.
- I am not remotely interested in credit or "staking a claim", only in having the best possible biography of Pugh. I would like to keep working on it while I have the sources to hand, but at the moment I cannot do so because Postcard Cathy has repeatedly reverted to her earlier version. Any advice on what we do now?
- I noticed the dab link to Middletown, New York, yes (I tagged it with {{disambiguation needed}}), but none of the sources I've found so far clarify which one it is. – Joe (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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Deleted Article Vicky Manhas
I had requested to Draftify the Vicky Manhas article. As I was the creator of that article. Actually I am new user, and I created the article directly. Later, Aaqib Anjum Aafī guided me, that we have to draft the article first before publishing it to main space.
As requested to move the article into draft but you had deleted the article. My lot of time and research washed away.
If possible please move it to draft. So that I can find the reliable sources and make the draft update and I will publish it only when it qualifies WP:SNG WP:GNG TheChunky (talk) 12:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- @TheChunky: Sure. I've restored it at Draft:Vicky Manhas. Please be aware that as there was a strong consensus to delete at the AfD, you will need to address the concerns there before moving it back to article space. If the article is restored without substantial changes, it will probably be speedily deleted. – Joe (talk) 13:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Tolu' A Akinyemi Deletion Compare and Advise
Please i created this article when i read this this this and this also see this all on the mainspace, please kindly help me understand what these subject has that the deleted article lacks, this will help me make a better decision when creating related articles in the future.--Olatunde Brain (talk) 13:22, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Olatunde. The decision to delete this article was made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tolu' A Akinyemi so you should read the arguments there to understand why. I will say that comparing an article to others that appear similar is generally an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. Decisions on whether to create or delete an article should be based solely on whether there is enough in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources to write one. – Joe (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Joe Roe I debated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tolu' A Akinyemi because i believe there are enough in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources cited in the article. I don't think the nominator and others who voted fact-checked my point. Here in my discussion with the nominator, i made references to this this and this.--Olatunde Brain (talk) 14:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Brain7days: As an administrator, my job isn't to decide whether a topic is notable myself, it's just to assess the consensus after a discussion and press the appropriate buttons. I believe there was a clear consensus at the AfD to delete Tolu' A Akinyemi. If you think I made a mistake, you can get opinions from others at deletion review. But if I can offer you some advice: as much as it sucks to have your work deleted, it happens to most of us at some point, and eventually you just have to accept that the consensus is against you and move on. – Joe (talk) 14:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Joe Roe I debated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tolu' A Akinyemi because i believe there are enough in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources cited in the article. I don't think the nominator and others who voted fact-checked my point. Here in my discussion with the nominator, i made references to this this and this.--Olatunde Brain (talk) 14:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Please found new independent reliable sources see this this this this please this is all i could find at the moment, is it enough? It took me weeks to draft this article. It hurt me to see it deleted on that grounds. Please advise me on what to do to keep it. There are some greek and spanish sources too but wouldn't it be too much? or should i list them in the deletion review as requested by Praxidicae --Olatunde Brain (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Deletion review for Tolu' A Akinyemi
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tolu' A Akinyemi. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Olatunde Brain (talk) 15:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your work here, but one of them is red-linked. I didn't want to remove it without asking you. Meanwhile, I'm taking this to the Wikiproject to ask for opinions as we seem to use it quite a bit. Doug Weller talk 08:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: Thanks for reminding me. I meant to create a stub for it, but on closer inspection couldn't find that many sources. Maybe a WP:TOOSOON situation as it seems quite new. I'll remove it now. – Joe (talk) 07:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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Your question to me
You asked me a question at the Medicine PD talk page ([1]), and it closed before I could answer, so I'll answer here. I was concerned that you had missed something, and apparently you had. Some editors pointed out after the workshop had closed that the evidence you cited was not actually diffs or in-context quotes, but were words and phrases that were picked out of discussions by using software designed to tag words with negative connotations. As such, some of the comments might, perhaps, have been appropriate in context, rather than negative comments directed at other editors. (Had I known that before the workshop phase had closed, I would have removed my reference to that evidence from my own workshop proposals, but I only realized it after.) So I was concerned that you might have been unaware of something that you would have wanted to be aware of, and maybe should have been aware. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)